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00:00Here's what I think. I hate this phrase, but it's just a part of our world. Perception is reality.
00:07And so that's why I kind of wanted to, you know, bat this around with Guru a little bit,
00:15because his I told you so joy was absolutely unmistakable today. And that's fine.
00:24Like, I want to use this as an opportunity to tell everybody for the second time what I loved about
00:29last night,
00:30which was there was a video that the Hawks posted of Jonathan Kaminga leaving the floor after the game.
00:35I've never seen him look so happy in my life. Right. That's all I want for any human being.
00:40Like, he looks free. That was really fun for him.
00:44And yes, I'm sure a big old piece of it was, hey, Warriors, take your face, smush it into that
00:51pumpkin and eat it.
00:53I'm sure that's what a lot of it was about. So good for Jonathan.
00:59I do not find last night to be the final straw in any sort of debate.
01:05But I do think this. There's an avenue for this to go really poorly for the Golden State Warriors in
01:16terms of the public perception of what has taken place.
01:19Well, it can't go good or it can't go well because the the decisions already been made.
01:25Either you blew the pick and he's not very good or you didn't blow the pick and you didn't develop
01:30him and he's really good.
01:32And you traded him when you probably should have kept him.
01:34So there's no way that this ends where you can look at the Warriors and say, yeah, yeah, Warriors, you
01:40did the right thing.
01:40Unless Chris Tapps gets healthy, stays and you win a title.
01:45If that all happens next year, then you could look at it and go, you know what?
01:48You turn JK into a guy who helped you win one for the thumb.
01:52Does it need to be a title, though?
01:53Yes, it does.
01:54I mean, if you're just like a Western Conference semifinalist and coming is out there cooking in Atlanta.
02:00That bar feels very high to me.
02:03Well, for me, the bar is already set so high because you had a lottery pick number seven and you
02:08took a guy that either wasn't good.
02:11We'll see.
02:12You didn't develop something.
02:13That's the case.
02:14You gave up on too soon.
02:16You held too long.
02:18Whatever happened, your net return from Kaminga is Chris Tapps Porzingis.
02:22And so, I mean, if Porzingis' salary slot becomes somebody next year and that somebody helps you do something special,
02:30then, yeah, maybe you can mitigate the loss.
02:32But right now it comes down to either it's one giant L or it's two giant Ls.
02:37I largely agree.
02:39I don't really necessarily at this point in any of their careers put the bar there where it's like somebody's
02:45got to help you win a title or this was a failure.
02:48Because that sort of presupposes the idea that you feel like if Kaminga had stayed, then he would have led
02:53them to a title.
02:54And I don't think at this point even his biggest fans don't feel that way.
02:59Like that's just too far down the road for me.
03:00Maybe not led, but maybe he would have been a part of it.
03:03Yeah, I just think I look at it in a little bit more of a simplistic sort of a way.
03:10Because I think what I'm talking about is not from the files of, like, intelligence and knowing behind the scenes.
03:19None of us are ever really going to know all of what went on in this relationship.
03:24I don't know.
03:25I'm just kind of talking about, especially in the social media way that we all sort of interact now.
03:32Like if Jonathan's good, it's going to look awful.
03:35And you're not wrong.
03:37This was messed up no matter what.
03:39But if Jonathan is really good, like if a lot of last night happens, it's egg on face.
03:47And it doesn't matter about fit.
03:51It doesn't matter about what went on behind the scenes.
03:55It just, it doesn't matter.
03:58It's going to be very simplistic in reaction.
04:02If Jonathan puts it, honestly, it doesn't even matter if the Hawks win.
04:05It doesn't matter.
04:07It depends who you ask, but yeah.
04:09Yeah, but I mean, that's the way that this is.
04:11This could, if he's a consistent, really good player, numbers wise, this runs the risk of just having a really
04:21bad look.
04:22Really, really bad look.
04:24And I know some people are like, already does.
04:26And I think that's kind of what you're getting at.
04:29Well, the first piece of it's already done.
04:30You drafted a guy at number seven and he was not a contributor for you at that level.
04:36Your fault, his fault, management, ownership, whatever.
04:39It's not even about that in this moment.
04:41It was a miss.
04:42And so if he goes out there and he cooks, well, now the second miss is the fact that you
04:47let him go right when he was starting to get good.
04:50I do think it matters how good their team is because we can all talk about Jordan Poole's numbers and
04:56we could do a blind comparison.
04:57And he averaged 20 a game for Washington and, you know, his percentages were not great, but he was a
05:03guy who went out there and put up numbers and they were terrible.
05:06So I do think that the context, anyway, for me, the context of how good they get with him, that
05:13matters a lot.
05:14See, the Jordan Poole thing is interesting because when I look at Jordan's numbers, and if I'm remembering this correctly,
05:21I don't think his numbers with New Orleans were any higher than they were with Golden State.
05:27You mean with Washington?
05:28I'm sorry.
05:29Yeah, with Washington.
05:31Jordan Poole, what did he average points-wise?
05:33First year in Washington, he averaged 17.4.
05:36Second year in Washington, he averaged 20.5.
05:39Last year in Golden State, he averaged 20.4.
05:42So I was sort of like, you would have, the idea when Jordan left was, oh my God, he's going
05:49to average 29 a night in Washington.
05:53No, he didn't even do any better than he did in Golden State.
05:56It was three points a game more over the course of his totality there.
05:5918.5 in Washington, 15.5 here, 15.8.
06:03Part of that is offset by the rookie year and all of those things.
06:06It's true, but.
06:07When he left, he was a 20-point-a-night guy.
06:10Right.
06:10When Jordan Poole, when he left the Warriors, it was 20-point-a-night.
06:12Yep.
06:13And then he went to Washington, and it was 20-point-a-night.
06:15I thought the whole idea was it's supposed to get better because all you, just go out there and do
06:19whatever the hell you want.
06:20No one's trying to win, and he didn't even get any better.
06:23Well, the field goal percentage was exactly identical.
06:25The three percentage was a little bit better.
06:27The free throw was the same.
06:29So basically, he went there, and he was able to shoot the ball three more times a game, and he
06:34showed you that he was the exact same player.
06:36Yeah.
06:36Except in that case, he played for a team that almost never won.
06:40And now he's in New Orleans, and he doesn't always get to play.
06:43And last night's a great example of where he is.
06:46He is a guy who, he's off the bench.
06:48He's a good seventh or eighth man.
06:50He's going to be that kind of a player, I think.
06:52Yeah.
06:52I really don't know.
06:54I don't know what the whole plan is for him.
06:57And, you know, last night he was coming off of injury.
07:00I didn't necessarily think he was even going to get that many minutes.
07:04Plus, if you do watch the highlights, I don't want to make it about, like, they're all NBA teams.
07:12And a third of the league is tanking and all that, so whatever.
07:15Like, a lot of Steph Curry's numbers come against crappy teams.
07:19So I don't really do a whole lot with that.
07:21But did you watch the highlights?
07:23Half of his dunks, he was the only person on that end of the floor.
07:27Yeah.
07:27Like, Washington, it looked like the youth games that you officiate.
07:33It's like, no one's even there.
07:37No one was even there.
07:38Now, he hit his three-pointers, so, like, good on you.
07:42He had a really, like, he looked great.
07:44He looked great.
07:45He looked free.
07:45He looked happy.
07:46He looked all of those things.
07:48But that's kind of what I'm getting at.
07:51I think you're calling for nuance, and I'm not trusting that it will be there.
07:56I just think that we're all going to look at this,
07:59and if he becomes a really consistent, good player, good team, bad team,
08:04or otherwise, this is going to be a bad look.
08:08Yep.
08:09It's going to be a bad look for you.
08:09I think it's already a bad look.
08:11And, you know, we did this whole thing with the Niners before they got into
08:14the end of the year, like, satisfaction ratings,
08:16and you and I were both at about a seven,
08:18and there's no way that number could go down.
08:20Even if they lost to Seattle, they did.
08:22And even if they lost the first playoff game, they didn't.
08:25But our satisfaction ratings on the year,
08:27they were rock solid based on what they had done.
08:30So if you want to talk about your dissatisfaction rating,
08:33scale of one to ten, with the whole Kaminga experience,
08:36I don't know how much more dissatisfied you can be.
08:40Even if he goes out and he's great.
08:42I mean, if he's great, he's an all-star, and he wins a title, sure,
08:45it can get worse.
08:45But right now, my dissatisfaction, and I'm not pointing to blame it,
08:49him, Steve, Mike, Joe, or anybody other than all of them.
08:53Or everybody, right.
08:54But my dissatisfaction's at about a six and a half,
08:56and I don't even know how much higher it can get.
08:59Yeah.
09:00What a weird deal.
09:01Weird.
09:02What a weird, weird, weird deal.
09:03And I'm just in the place of, like, last night, great example.
09:06He had 27 in 24 minutes.
09:08Good for you.
09:09I'm happy for him.
09:10I guess I'm happy for the agent.
09:12I had to unfollow him.
09:14It's just enough.
09:16He was at the game.
09:17Yeah.
09:18You think?
09:18Yeah.
09:19Yeah, I do.
09:19I know.
09:20I know you know.
09:21He was there.
09:21Well, he was sending out videos.
09:23And I'm sure he's very excited for one of his only two clients.
09:26And so, you know, he worked hard to get them out of town,
09:30and here they are out of town, and his client at 27.
09:32Good on you.
09:33This is kind of what I'm curious about going forward,
09:38and that is kind of like what I asked right at the end of the crossover.
09:43Is there truly a right and wrong when it comes to this?
09:49And I know, oh, well, the blame to go around and all that.
09:52I mean going forward.
09:53Like, will we someday look back on this with a one side was right
10:00or one side was wrong?
10:02To me, that's the simple thing.
10:04That's where we can just box score dive and go, boy, he actually, right,
10:09he averages 23 a night, and here's what his shooting percentage is,
10:13and whatever.
10:14Like, he's contributing to a sort of kind of good, mediocre team.
10:19Do we just do that?
10:20Or I don't know.
10:22Is there a way to sort of accept the nuance of the two sides of a relationship
10:30kind of not working out?
10:32To me, it's sort of like when your friends get divorced.
10:36And I've learned this, and it's very difficult because every couple has friends.
10:44You've got couples' friends.
10:46And there's this little, like, there's this window.
10:49Who do you got?
10:50Right.
10:50People start competing for friends.
10:52It's kind of like Jerry Maguire.
10:54Remember that old period where the agents are all on the phone with each other?
10:57Oh, man.
10:57They're trying to keep their clients.
10:58Even before that, when he marches out, who's with me?
11:01And everyone puts their head down.
11:02It's a fish.
11:03Yeah.
11:03Yeah.
11:04And I think that's where we are right now.
11:07That's where we're at.
11:08You're getting split up, and the couple that comes to dinner every other Friday,
11:15are they sticking with both of you?
11:17They got to choose a side?
11:19Does the guy get the guy, and the girl gets the girl?
11:22I've seen all of it.
11:23Oh, yeah.
11:24I've seen all of it.
11:26It's very difficult if you're the other couple to ride that line.
11:31You usually have to go, we're going with him.
11:35Yeah.
11:35Or we're going with her.
11:36And I think there's a little bit of that with Warriors and Kaminga,
11:40even though there's probably something in the middle that makes actual sense.
11:45Yeah.
11:46And just, I mean, for me personally, when we got divorced,
11:49I skipped through the tunnel.
11:50And so, you know, she still was going to be friends with them.
11:53I'm still friends with all those people, but you had me thinking about our divorce, Mark.
11:57You and I.
11:58Oh.
11:58If it ever comes down like that.
12:00Oh.
12:01You taking Grandy?
12:02You taking Lucas?
12:04No, I think it's.
12:05Oh, God.
12:05I don't think that's how it works.
12:07I think it's.
12:07I asked you a question.
12:09I think that it's do Grandy and Lucas pick me or you.
12:15The divorced people don't pick.
12:17They compete.
12:18And then you get what you get.
12:19You might get nothing.
12:20And you don't get upset.
12:21You get bubkis.
12:22Yeah.
12:22I mean, it's more fun if I ask you to choose between those two.
12:25Because those two are both going to pick you.
12:27You're much more of a gravy train.
12:29Then I'm taking both of them.
12:30You don't get to.
12:32No, I guess I do.
12:33We're getting divorced.
12:34You don't get to tell me what to do anymore.
12:35Sorry, Lucas.
12:37I think we know which way he's going.
12:40Um, possibly.
12:41I don't even know if he's back there.
12:43I can't see him.
12:44He's here.
12:45Yeah.
12:45He's hiding.
12:46He doesn't yank this conversation.
12:48He feels awkward.
12:50With the first pick in the divorce draft, my ex-wife took Cliff the Cat.
12:54Do you know?
12:54Oh, really?
12:55Elite pick.
12:56I like the cat.
12:57Wow.
12:57I like the pick.
12:58It's a great pick.
12:59The only time I did one of those drafts, there were no animals involved.
13:02Yeah.
13:03I got the first pick.
13:03I took the computer.
13:05Smart.
13:05I had all that information on me.
13:07I should have taken the house.
13:10Dummy.
13:10The house was in the draft?
13:12I took some blanket or something.
13:13Wait a minute.
13:14What?
13:14Neither of your first picks was the house?
13:16Well, someone took a cat?
13:17You haven't met Cliff.
13:19He's the goat.
13:20He's the goat of cats.
13:21He's the gamote.
13:22But she left you the house and you said no?
13:25It was more complicated than that.
13:27You picked Wiseman with the second pick?
13:29Seriously?
13:29Oh, my God.
13:30You take this comfortable blanket.
13:33All right.
13:33I'll take the house.
13:35She went cat house draft over.
13:38Wow.
13:39I went blanket in like old golf club or something.
13:42Your boy's kind of like my fantasy drafts.
13:44Wow.
13:44Who are you?
13:45The Niners in the first round?
13:46Seriously.
13:47Seriously.
13:47Dibs in a draft is controversial.
13:49We've learned this.
13:50I took Javon blanket.
13:53Trey quilt.
13:54He goes Jameer Gibbs.
13:55And then he hung up.
13:56We've beenientes with theany for the emergency.
13:56I think if he's a basketball player.
13:56I have fun shit and he ê°” it to him.
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