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03:37Welcome to Beyond the Tape.
03:38I'm your host, Marcos, and welcome to our viewers across Trinidad and Tobago and our
03:42global viewers.
03:44It's day 81 of the state of emergency, and today, of course, we are joined by acting
03:50ASP Ishmael Pitt of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
03:53Welcome, sir.
03:54How are you?
03:55Thank you, Marc.
03:56I'm not too bad.
03:57How are you?
03:58I'm all right so far.
03:59Excellent.
04:00So, pleasant evening to you.
04:01Pleasant evening, Trinidad and Tobago.
04:02All right.
04:03So, a couple of matters.
04:05Some housekeeping matters, I should say, rather.
04:08We had an incident last night.
04:10Another police-involved shooting, that bringing the number of persons shot and killed by police
04:16to 21, in my estimation, based on numbers yesterday on the newspaper, and we had three,
04:23one yesterday afternoon and two last night.
04:26I know that the particulars were that the assailants in this particular matter apparently
04:32shot at somebody in the queue up area, and, of course, there was an ensuing chase where
04:38these men allegedly fired at the police who returned fire.
04:43I think the incident, it ended in the Tunapuna area where this red versa there, police would
04:54have found two suspects in it suffering from gunshot wounds, and I think maybe two others
05:00might have escaped or one other, and then they later found a third person with gunshot
05:06wounds to the leg.
05:08But still, the police responding quickly, and, you know, the officers, you know, giving
05:16chase while these men purportedly would have been firing at the police vehicles.
05:21Yes, and, you know, it's always an unfortunate case when persons have to lose their lives.
05:30It's even worse when it's a case where other persons could have also been that unfortunate.
05:39You know, condolences to the family of the deceased.
05:43We must count our blessings, though, it could have been worse in that police officers could
05:47have also been injured, they could have been dead.
05:51We know that the public, some members of the public usually have a perception when it comes
05:56to police-involved shootings, and it's only when police officers are injured or if police
06:02officers die, you know, they tend to look at it from a particular lens, you know, which
06:07is highly unfortunate.
06:09It's no secret that there's a proliferation of firearms in our country.
06:14It's no secret that almost weekly there are incidents involving the use of firearms, and
06:20it's no secret that persons are not afraid to engage police officers.
06:24You know, we would always want to dissuade persons from adopting that type of approach
06:29because our officers are trained, our officers are calculated, our officers will be strategic,
06:36and you know, it's highly unlikely that you will come out victorious in a situation like that.
06:44So what we would want to urge members of the public, those of you who are intent on committing
06:48crimes and committing crimes with firearms, from the moment the police engage you, give
06:53up yourself.
06:54Do not engage in a firefight with law enforcement.
06:57As I said before, officers are trained.
06:59We have invested a lot in terms of ensuring that our officers are able to respond and
07:05respond appropriately, considering the use of force policy and the situation that is
07:09facing them at the point in time.
07:11So there will be a balance, however, in terms of an investigation.
07:15It's not a case of being judged jury and executioner.
07:21Someone will be investigating the matter to determine the conduct and the overall circumstance.
07:27But again, we would want to dissuade persons.
07:29Please do not engage our officers.
07:32Right.
07:33And of course, we did show you some footage yesterday from the La Hocota area where there
07:38was a police chase in which this vehicle crashed into a wall in the area of the Heliconia Drive,
07:46I believe.
07:47And what we understand was that the suspect in this incident, apparently, was shot and
07:55killed in an exchange of gunfire, we understand, and the chase, the person apparently was identified
08:04as a one Marvin Cook, taken to a hospital where he would have succumbed to his injuries.
08:10I don't have the full particulars, but I think any further information you perhaps might
08:16be able to shed on this particular incident.
08:19Yes, I'm aware that this vehicle was taken away at gunpoint in the Pinto District.
08:25Right.
08:26And the police officers, again, were able to respond and respond immediately.
08:32As you said, a chase ensued and it resulted in this motor vehicle coming into contact
08:37with what we are observing there on the screen.
08:40They did not stop there because the driver of that vehicle fled.
08:43Yes.
08:44He was pursued by police officers and during that period, again, there was some deadly
08:53engagement, deadly encounters, and unfortunately, the assailant lost his life.
09:02So again, condolences to the family is not something that we would want to be part of.
09:07It's not something that is any comfort in coming forward and having to say condolences,
09:13but as I said before, we would want to urge persons, you have taken a chance and you have
09:18done something.
09:19Now you are caught, please, please surrender peacefully to the police officers so that
09:25you can have your day in court, so to speak.
09:27Yes.
09:28All right, it's day 81 of the state of emergency and we just want to take you through the figures
09:34for day up to day 81.
09:36Yes, number of operations, 4,045.
09:40Priority offenders targeted, 2,912.
09:44Searches conducted, 28,289.
09:47Traffic operations, 3,626.
09:50Number of persons arrested, 3,118.
09:54Traffic offenses detected, 14,107.
09:58Firearms recovered, 156.
10:01Ammunition recovered, 3,457.
10:05Dangerous drugs seized, 438,564.07 grams of cannabis and 3,171.13 grams of cocaine.
10:1680.83 grams of estacy, 8.08 grams of Xanax, 6.5 grams of molly and 5 grams of crystal meth.
10:25So we are seeing some other drug types there that may not really be so popular with the
10:31common man, but nonetheless they are dangerous drugs and the effect and the impact on the
10:36human psyche is just as damaging, or I should say even worse.
10:40Yes.
10:41Certainly.
10:42All right, we're going to take a look now at our headlines.
11:01So those are some of the headlines within the past 24 hours and of course we had a shooting
11:21incident in Degomartin on Tuesday.
11:24Four persons were shot.
11:26One of them, we can take a look here now, you can see the actual shooting at Degomartin.
11:32A lone gunman coming out and opening fire on a group of men who were standing in that
11:38particular area there and I think he might have given pursuit.
11:43See here, we take a look again.
11:46Now in this particular incident, we understand that a 24-year-old Kareem Alexander, allegedly
11:55a drug dealer, was shot and killed in this particular incident here.
12:01So clearly this gunman was intent on at least getting the target or targets.
12:07Some of the persons were injured and I think he was pronounced dead on arrival at the St. James facility.
12:15Yes, yes.
12:16Again, unfortunate.
12:17Anyone with information on this homicide, these murders, please contact the Region 1
12:24Homicide Department or the nearest police station.
12:27And the question is, Mark, had the police been in a position to intercept this vehicle,
12:33the outcome in itself could have been almost predictable if these persons had engaged the
12:38officers with that deadly force that we know they were capable of based on the attack on
12:44these persons.
12:45So again, we need to be realistic as to what our society is offering at this point in time.
12:53And it's not to say that it's a case of being judgmental, one, and also, you know,
12:59looking at things only from a particular lens.
13:01But we must bring things into context, bring things into perspective and remain practical
13:07when we look and view situations of this nature.
13:10Yes, certainly.
13:11And we had a really unfortunate incident that took place in Tobago a little, I think it
13:18would have been over the last 24 hours, where apparently they said that a mentally unstable
13:23woman would have pushed a victim into moving traffic.
13:27This is a victim here, assistance being rendered to the victim here by fire officers and so
13:39on, who would have arrived on the scene, I think, within quick measure there.
13:46And of course, these are not things you can obviously, you know, it's unexpected.
13:52Somebody who's allegedly mentally unstable reacted in a specific way.
13:57Yes.
13:58And the person happened to be near the roadway when they were pushed into oncoming traffic.
14:03And if I'm to be guided by what she's wearing, she appears to be a school child.
14:07Yes.
14:08I don't know, I'm just going based on what the footage is suggesting.
14:14Really unfortunate.
14:15Yes.
14:16And of course, last but not least, we had this incident concerning this morning sometime
14:22in Currup area, a car that flipped.
14:25And we cannot emphasize how important this is, you know, as we traverse the roadways
14:33to try to maintain some kind of semblance of safety and as well be observant of the
14:38speed limit for yourself and for others.
14:41Indeed.
14:43And that goes for everyone.
14:44Yes.
14:45Because sometimes we may observe or we are in a position to observe the damages and the
14:50end result of what the driver who was affected endured.
14:55However, sometimes we are unable to see exactly what contributed to the accident in the first
15:01place.
15:02And it could be for no fault of the person who was affected in the long run that they
15:08ended up in that situation.
15:09Yes.
15:11We have commonly heard about the bad drive situation and persons have to, you know, pull
15:16away in a way that renders their vehicle now out of control.
15:20So, we often say that road safety is everybody's business.
15:24And it's not just a case of the person who's driving the vehicle.
15:28We ought to, even from the lens of a pedestrian, from the lens of bystanders, from the lens
15:35of passengers, be able to, if it is that we are able to analyze and assess and recognize
15:41that there is some level of recklessness, have some type of intervention by the use
15:46of a phone call to 999 or the nearest police station so that we could have the necessary
15:51intervention.
15:53Alright.
15:54Please be safe on the roads.
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18:14Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
18:16I'm your host Mark Bassant here with acting ESP Ishmael Pitt of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
18:23And we have a call on the line.
18:25Caller, good evening.
18:26Good afternoon, Mark.
18:28Good afternoon, Officer Pitt.
18:29Good afternoon, sir.
18:31The girl, the little school girl getting bounced down is very unfortunate.
18:36I agree with that statement.
18:38But when a man's shooting behind the police and he now take a man's car from him at gunpoint
18:43and the police shoot that fella, that is not unfortunate.
18:47That is fortunate because that same man, once you could shoot behind the police,
18:51you hold him, he get bail, he come back, okay, we'll shoot behind the police again.
18:55And it's a revolving door.
18:56Once you shoot him behind police, they don't show.
18:58You gone already, you know.
19:00You gone, once you shoot him behind police, so when police hold you,
19:04and they can't hold you because you're in brothel, you know they will kill you.
19:07So when the police kill them, though you little unfortunate, that is not unfortunate.
19:11That is justice.
19:12Have a pleasant evening, my brother.
19:14Thank you, sir.
19:16And I understand your perspective.
19:18I understand your position.
19:20I know it's shared by a lot of persons, you know, but representing the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service
19:27and the responsible organization that we are, you know, we view all life with a high value.
19:33And for that reason, you know, it's not for us to judge.
19:37We will take steps, and we will take those steps to protect ourselves and to protect persons.
19:43If in that process someone dies, you know, we can only deem it unfortunate.
19:48Yeah, and as you said, you know, loss of life in an event is unfortunate.
19:53Yes.
19:54And I think at times we will try to mitigate those circumstances where we can.
19:59And unfortunately, there are times where we cannot.
20:01Yes.
20:02Because certain individuals are insistent on creating havoc.
20:05Yes.
20:06And we will leave it at that.
20:07But I understand the call, and I know that there are a lot of persons, you know,
20:12given their levels of frustration and the passion that comes with it, you know,
20:18they wouldn't more or less regret or they wouldn't look down on a particular outcome.
20:24You know, and that is normal.
20:26It is normal.
20:27It's not abnormal in any way.
20:29But when we look at the rule of law and, you know, we take humanity into context.
20:37Yes.
20:38Into consideration, we can only do things.
20:40And as you say, there is a particular passion by citizens, law-abiding citizens in this country
20:46that those that step out of line, those that are of criminal intent, should be dealt with in a specific way.
20:54I mean, that's their opinion and that's their view.
20:56Yes.
20:57And they are entitled to that.
20:58They are entitled to that.
20:59But as you say, there are certain things that the police, and by extension, citizens,
21:04when we talk about vigilante justice and all these things, should do.
21:08But of course, some people will feel, you know, they're like really upset or something happens to a family member of theirs
21:16and they actually witness it themselves.
21:19Yes.
21:20And then somebody points a firearm at you.
21:23You would then say, well, he deserves what he gets.
21:25Yes.
21:26Yes.
21:27And that's why I'm saying it's understandable, you know, it's normal that people feel that way.
21:31And as you said, you know, they are entitled to feel that way.
21:34Yes.
21:35Yeah.
21:37All right.
21:38We have another caller on the line.
21:39Caller, good evening.
21:42Good evening, caller.
21:43Good evening.
21:44Good evening, Mr. Mark Bassant and 2nd Division Officer, Mr. Pitt.
21:50Good evening, sir.
21:51Mr. Pitt, the history of the police service has been compromised and I'm going to give you something in history.
21:58Since 1956, where a home affairs minister took a son from the police service.
22:04Sorry, his stepson.
22:06Right?
22:07So since then, the police service has been compromised.
22:11A number of issues have shown that the executive in some way have questions to answer.
22:18I want to know you now is in leadership of the 2nd Division.
22:26Sunday coming, going to be the 10th anniversary of the day of policing.
22:31That report, the DSC report, has some damning issues.
22:35I want to know what you as a leader in the 2nd Division, which I believe is about 90% of the police service.
22:45What are you doing to help cleanse the miscreants within the TPS?
22:53Because the new incoming minister has said he wants to remove corruption in the police service.
23:01The PCA chairman said the TPS is the biggest gang.
23:06A number of people have pointed directly to the police.
23:11As I told your colleague yesterday, I'm seeing semblance of incremental improvement.
23:18I'm seeing some light flashing at the end of the tunnel.
23:22You, as the majority stakeholder within the police service, you're in an executive position.
23:29You have to transform, help transform.
23:33I want to know what you as a leader and by extension the 2nd Division will be doing to make me feel safe.
23:43Thank you very much, sir.
23:46So the question was lengthy.
23:49It took different turns.
23:52But I will go with your first point in terms of a compromise.
23:59And he started with somewhere in the 1950s.
24:02Yes, 1956.
24:03Yeah, 1956.
24:05Unfortunately, I don't have the facts to respond to that.
24:08And you came forward to the total day of policing.
24:11And you were quite accurate with it being 10 years, he said, come what Sunday.
24:18And, you know, what is my position where that is concerned and what it is I am doing regarding the routing out of corruption
24:27and all these ills within the Toronto and Tobago Police Service.
24:30Well, I'll start by saying that the police service is not beyond reproach.
24:35We are not a perfect organization.
24:38And we have always demonstrated time and time again that we are capable of holding our officers to account
24:46by bringing them before the court and having them answer to whatever they have been charged for.
24:53There are police officers who have been convicted.
24:56And the reality is the only persons who can bring them to that position are police officers.
25:02We have a robust professional standard bureau who are very much mandated to treat with the investigations of rogue police officers.
25:13We also have senior police officers who are delegated time and time again, directed in order to conduct investigations.
25:22We have the special investigations unit.
25:24So a number of these departments that also have the prerogative, the directive in order to treat with police officers who may go contrary to what is within the rule of law.
25:41So from my standpoint as a senior police officer, as you deemed it,
25:47it is definitely my responsibility to ensure that the officers under my charge adhere to all those policies, the laws, and best practice when it comes to policing.
26:01And from the moment those persons deviate, to ensure that the mechanisms that I have just described regarding the investigation of police officers are kicked in,
26:11so that these officers will be held accountable and it's not a case that they will continue to bring the police service into disrepute.
26:20So it was a really long-winded question.
26:24I trust that I was able to answer it fully.
26:28The whole issue of the image of the police service and regaining that public trust and confidence that is very important for us regarding the fight against crime
26:37is only going to be achieved when we can demonstrate that we are able to function and function without those levels of compromise that tend to interfere with how people view the organization.
26:50It's not always easy, but I guess as you say, a work in progress.
26:55Yes.
26:56Work in progress.
26:57All right. We're going to take a short break and we'll be back after this. Stay with us.
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30:47Welcome back to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host, Mark Mossan.
30:49Today with acting ASP Ishmael Pitt.
30:53And I know you're going to set up this segment.
30:56Coming up, protect yourself.
30:58Yes, Mark.
31:00You know, oftentimes we are given a significant amount of responsibility.
31:06And it is important for us to ensure that we exercise that responsibility consistently.
31:15Because if we don't do that, we now put ourselves in a position and even other persons in harm's way.
31:21Yeah? So with that, protect yourself.
31:25♪♪♪
31:30Hey, shorty.
31:33Yes, now.
31:49Hey, Jackie.
31:51I'm going to use the bathroom, right?
31:54When I'm finished, I'll put the lid on.
31:56When I'm finished, we'll go back outside.
31:59Right?
32:02♪♪♪
32:09Hey, shorty.
32:11Outside waiting on me, boy.
32:13Hey, shorty.
32:15Come and take a look at that bump on your foot.
32:18♪♪♪
32:22I'm going to use the washroom real quick, all right?
32:24Hey, boy.
32:26I'm going to use the washroom real quick.
32:27What is this?
32:28A G, boy.
32:32This thing is real, boy.
32:34I'm not going to pay again.
32:36I'm going.
32:37I've got EZ-15 here, boy.
32:41What up?
32:42What's up?
32:43How are you doing?
32:44How are you doing?
32:45I've got a drink for you, boy.
32:46Put it in the bag.
32:47Yeah.
32:48Nice thing here, boy.
32:50Good.
32:51Right?
32:53All is yours.
32:55Good price I gave for it.
32:56Good price.
32:57I gave you the best price.
32:58You're looking for it all day.
32:59Right, boy?
33:00Yeah.
33:01Be safe.
33:02Good luck.
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33:10Wow.
33:11So, this gentleman seems to be a licensed fire muller
33:15who came into the washroom there
33:18before, obviously, using the bathroom.
33:23He took out trusty old Jackie.
33:28What happened there?
33:29He forgot it?
33:30Yeah, he forgot Jackie.
33:32It's a very serious, serious message.
33:36Yes.
33:37Because it has happened already.
33:40It has happened already where persons placed their weapon
33:44and forgot to retrieve it when they were completed,
33:48relieving themselves.
33:50And other persons got possession of it.
33:54In some instances, we were able to recover those firearms.
33:57There are some that are still at large.
33:59So, you know, we want persons to be extremely responsible
34:04when it comes to management, the safeguarding,
34:09the securing of these weapons,
34:11which are in themselves deadly weapons.
34:14And they are capable of reinforcing this sense of
34:19what we will call tombstone-couraging persons
34:22that will cause them to go on and want to commit offenses
34:26even if, in the absence of those weapons,
34:29they may not have normally done those things.
34:31So it's a serious thing, and we ought to take it seriously.
34:35But also in the reenactment there,
34:37and I know this probably does happen in real life, as you said,
34:40that somebody else finds the firearm,
34:42and the firearm is sold and it ends up in somebody's illegal hands,
34:47is used in a particular crime,
34:49and then later when the person is apprehended
34:52and they find the gun and the specials and so on,
34:55they do the tracing, they realize it's a licensed firearm holder.
34:58Yes, yes.
34:59Well, in a situation like that, you know,
35:01we would expect that the person who lost the weapon would report it.
35:06Of course.
35:07So it wouldn't be a case of us now having this startling revelation
35:12that we found something that was never reported lost
35:15because it now brings the original owner into question.
35:19But it doesn't take away from the fact that
35:21that owner at the point in time, based on his or her conduct,
35:25now can attract some criminal type of intervention,
35:30if you should call it that, criminal investigation,
35:32because of the fact that, you know,
35:34it is contrary to law regarding how we secure our weapons.
35:38So generally, when you look at it in terms of safety,
35:43in terms of accountability, in terms of law,
35:47there's a significant amount of responsibility that is placed on persons.
35:52And there are a lot of persons out there who believe that,
35:56based on their circumstance,
35:58they are entitled to be in possession of weapons,
36:01and in some cases, quite rightfully so.
36:03But it is not a bed of roses.
36:06It's something that, you know, you need to make conscious decisions
36:09because bad decisions could end up really, really negative.
36:13And as you talk about bad decisions and conscious decisions,
36:16and I'm sitting here with you.
36:18We sat here a couple of weeks ago or months ago,
36:22and we saw a licensed firearm owner in a very intoxicated state with a firearm.
36:30And it's similar to what we saw there, you know,
36:32persons going into establishments, consuming alcohol,
36:36and you have a firearm in your possession,
36:38which obviously sometimes you might get into a confrontation.
36:41And that's a no-no because, you know, you're under the influence.
36:45You can't exercise good judgment,
36:48and you might do something rash with your licensed firearm.
36:51You might do something rash.
36:53But what about if it is that because of the fact that you are consuming alcohol,
36:58you are unable now to defend yourself appropriately.
37:02Exactly. That is right.
37:03And, you know, your reflexes and your response time has now waned
37:07to the extent that you become increasingly vulnerable.
37:11So when within a normal thinking frame of mind,
37:15one that is void of alcohol content,
37:18you may have responded and responded appropriately.
37:21You have now put yourself at a disadvantage.
37:23Yes, certainly.
37:24So obviously we want to encourage all FUL holders to be responsible
37:29and, you know, be mindful of where you're going.
37:32And if you're going into a bar to consume alcohol,
37:36I think you will make some suggestions where to lodge that firearm.
37:41If you're going into a bar?
37:42Well, if you're walking into a bar,
37:44and you know you're going to be drinking heavily,
37:46and you have a licensed firearm,
37:48I don't think there's any place for you to walk into the establishment,
37:51consume a lot of alcohol, and have your firearm on you.
37:53Definitely not.
37:54You know?
37:55Yeah, definitely.
37:56So if you feel like, I mean, you'll have friends or whatever,
37:58you could probably just go to the station, lodge it.
38:00If you know you're going far away, I know you leave it in the safekeeping of your home.
38:05Depending, of course.
38:06But it begs the question, why would one want to drink to that extent?
38:11Because you are saying now that your life is in danger, you know,
38:15and that might be a common reason for persons applying for weapons.
38:21Based on your circumstance, you may be a target.
38:24Why would you not want to place yourself in a position
38:27where you have taken so much of alcohol that you are vulnerable,
38:35and you are anticipating doing this by going and lodging your firearm somewhere.
38:41So you have already said to yourself,
38:44hear what, I am going to get drunk for want of a better word.
38:48I'm going to get drunk.
38:50So for that reason, I'm going to lodge my firearm so that I can go get drunk,
38:54and, you know, I don't have that responsibility.
38:56But then what about the concern that your life is in danger and you are a target?
39:01I'm just saying that, you know, there are some people going into this.
39:04No, I'm not disagreeing with you, no.
39:05I'm just adding to what you are saying.
39:08It's a matter of exercising your judgment.
39:10Yes.
39:11So that all your faculties will be in check if you have to respond to something.
39:17Yes.
39:18So you have to have that, you know, if you know you're going to go to the bar and say,
39:22I'm just going to have a beer.
39:23Okay.
39:24Yes.
39:25And if you know you're going to go out and consume, you have to kind of like wait out.
39:30Of course.
39:31You know?
39:32Of course.
39:33And that's my point exactly.
39:34Yeah.
39:35So I am in agreement with you that, you know, one, you know, you must anticipate
39:39and you must exercise the level of caution and consideration attached to the responsibility.
39:46But in doing so, consider the reason that you have possession of the weapon in the first place.
39:53Yes.
39:54All right.
39:55We're going to take a short break and we'll be back.
39:57Stay with us.
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42:49Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
42:50I'm your host, Mark Bassan, joined today by acting ASP Ishmael Pitt of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
42:56We have a call on the line.
42:57Caller, good evening.
42:59Hello, good evening.
43:00Good evening.
43:01This is Bassan.
43:02I'm acting ASP.
43:03Good afternoon.
43:04Good evening, sir.
43:05Hello.
43:06We are speaking to all the lodgers of firearms.
43:10Inspector, could you inform me and the general public as it relates to wanting to go into government buildings to do business?
43:20Accordingly, MTS Security is asking you to lodge your firearm with them, and then you can proceed to do your business.
43:28What the law speaks directly to is that you have to lodge with a police officer, or because you are in that building and MTS is in charge, you have to lodge your firearm with them.
43:38I refuse to do such.
43:41Could you explain, please, thank you?
43:43Yeah, sure.
43:45So, caller, you have asked a very teasing question, and I'm certain you know the answer to it.
43:55We know that not too distant past, there was an issue regarding police officers having to lodge their firearms.
44:05In the courts.
44:06In the courts.
44:07Yes.
44:08And I'm thinking that the caller's question is heavily hinged on those incidents that took place.
44:18So, the law is quite clear, and the law in itself doesn't support the actions that was being taken by the officers at the point in time.
44:30However, we are aware that there are reasons that were advanced, and notice my choice of words.
44:37There are reasons that were advanced as to why certain practices were adopted.
44:44It does not mean to say that it was generally accepted, or as an organization, which is ETTPS, has indicated straight out our position where that is concerned.
44:57So, it still remains an issue.
45:01It still remains an issue for discussion.
45:05And I can tell you that there were several meetings with several stakeholders, and a lot of recommendations came forward as to the way forward where that is concerned.
45:20So, it shouldn't be that the safety of one group is observed to the expense of the safety of another group.
45:34And I'm thinking that once we observe that principle, we would go forward and be in a better place where these policies and practices are concerned.
45:51But as far as the law is concerned, to answer the caller straight out, the law is quite clear.
45:57But, you know, in terms of wanting to maintain certain relationships and what have you, you'd find that certain things are navigated in a particular way.
46:11We must not be seen as much as we may not have been the creator of issues, the ones to kind of prolong it.
46:22And I'm not saying it means to say compromise and compromise at the expense of contributing to the breaking of any law.
46:29But there are several ways by which we can go about addressing issues.
46:34And we have the view that the sit down and dialogue and having those healthy discussions is the way in which to treat this particular issue.
46:44So, it had gained momentum in terms of reaching to that point where certain directives were to be given.
46:52But I know other issues came up and it kind of ended up in the background, so to speak.
46:59But thanks very much for your question, caller.
47:01You have, again, very contentious.
47:06And I had to navigate it in my response, considering how contentious it is.
47:13Well, this is, Sidney, a very contentious but serious video that we are about to show you.
47:20Some kind of domestic matter here.
47:24Let's take a look.
47:27So, from the video that you're seeing here, what appears to be a woman striking a gentleman who is on the floor.
47:38He's been dragged on the roadway and he's been obviously taped by individuals in the area there.
47:49While he's repeatedly struck by the female individual.
47:56I can recall just last week, Mark, that we were having this discussion considering domestic violence.
48:04And, you know, if men are the recipients, if they are on the receiving end, so to speak.
48:10And here we are today and we are observing these images.
48:15The persons who are also taping, you know, they are contributing to something as opposed to stopping it.
48:25Because it's something that could be stopped.
48:27And one may ask the question, if it was the other way around, if some intervention would not have taken place already.
48:37So, it does not make it right or it does not make it acceptable because it's a case of a woman assaulting a man.
48:46You know, we need to be much more mature as a society.
48:52Because as simple as this may appear and as entertaining, it could have ended up very, very, very, very, very serious.
49:02It's also dangerous because they are actually more or less in the middle of the road.
49:05She has dragged them because vehicles are going around them, you would have seen.
49:10And vehicles are passing and going around them because she would have dragged them into the roadway itself.
49:15And then this person intervenes.
49:17Yes, and hats off to him.
49:18And look at the vehicles coming down.
49:20If he's lying in that area there, you see, vehicles are passing.
49:23So, it's double danger.
49:25Indeed, indeed.
49:26And hats off to that gentleman who was able to intervene and stop what was taking place.
49:32As opposed to, you know, there are a lot of persons who are much more engaged in ensuring that what is happening reaches into the public domain.
49:43Yes.
49:44And it reaches on all the social media platforms.
49:46As opposed to stopping what is taking place.
49:50You know, we value the entertainment as opposed to the safety, security of the persons involved.
49:57And that's something that, as a society, we need to really look at and see whether it is really valuable to what we would call a civil society.
50:09Exactly.
50:10All right, we have a call online.
50:11Call of good evening.
50:12Yes, good afternoon, Sir Basant and Officer Pitt.
50:17Good evening, sir.
50:19Just concerning this incident that happened in the schools.
50:25I think last week we had a problem where a parent went into a school, put on her child's uniform and passed into the school to attack a student.
50:39Now, where that is concerned, we have discipline, production and tolerance.
50:46You have parents, teachers, meetings, you have principals in the school, you have supervisors.
50:51I think that incident should not have happened.
50:55Because if two children have conflict, the problem is supposed to be solved within the presence of the principal or the class teacher or someone who could be able to.
51:06Once the teeth meet the arms, the parent could take her daughter's uniform and put it on.
51:12Which means those two are two children.
51:18As I could look at it, because the mother who did that is not a mother.
51:24She might have a child, yes.
51:26But it seems as though because she failed to go and have things settled the way it should be settled.
51:33It reached excellently to that extent.
51:35Yes.
51:39All right. Thanks, Kola, for that input.
51:41And, of course, we will respond after the break.
51:44Stay with us.
51:45Thank you very much.
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54:07Welcome back to Beyond The Tape. I'm your host Mark Bussan.
54:23Joined today by acting ASP Ishmael Pitt.
54:25And we want to respond to the caller.
54:27Go ahead.
54:29Yes, so the caller identified a parent who dressed in school uniform, entered a school to, whether it's exact revenge or engage another student on behalf of a child.
54:43I think that's the information that he provided.
54:46Mind you, I don't have direct knowledge as to what transpired.
54:52But based on what he's saying, if it is correct, definitely, as he described it, you know, the parent in herself was behaving immature.
55:03Yes.
55:04And he was asking the question whether it was just a case of two children or more children to suggest that the parent, you know, is also displaying that type of juvenile type behavior.
55:18And to a large extent, you know, he could be correct, you know, based on what he's saying.
55:25You know, as parents, there's a high level of responsibility that you must exercise.
55:31And you must be able to garner that level of respect, even in the face of adversity, if you want to call it that, where your child is concerned.
55:40Because, I mean, no parent wants to know that their child was assaulted.
55:45But you don't want to respond like a child.
55:49You need to respond.
55:51As a parent, you need to be responsible.
55:53And you need to go through the process to teach your child that, you know, there are ways and means of treating with things.
56:00There's a process.
56:02And we need to adhere to the process.
56:04I just want to say quickly, last week a guy called and he spoke about the extradition, whether there was an extradition treaty between Trinidad and England.
56:14And I was too certain at the point in time, so I got the information.
56:18And there is.
56:20It's slightly different to what exists between Trinidad and North America.
56:24But there is an extradition treaty.
56:27The question, though, is whether, based on the parameters, it would have applied to the circumstance that he was describing.
56:34And based on my information, it would not apply to the circumstance that he was describing.
56:40I have a question.
56:42I'm curious.
56:43I mean, if I'm a security guard at a school, wouldn't I be able to distinguish?
56:47I mean, unless that parent looks very much like a child, whether it be a boy or a girl, I'd be able to pick up that.
56:57It depends on your level of vigilance.
57:00Not that we are bringing anyone into a question.
57:03If you're walking through the school gate and you're by a guard booth and you're seeing them walk.
57:09I mean, unless they're walking with droves of children at the same time, maybe we don't know how they got in.
57:15Maybe that's what they did.
57:17So, no detection at all.
57:19Correct.
57:20If you're in a crowd, you might have hunched down.
57:22I don't know.
57:23I don't know.
57:24And then there are some persons, in all fairness, too, they appear very, very young.
57:28A lot younger than they really are.
57:30More so small-boned persons, you know, they appear really, really young.
57:34Small build.
57:35So, probably it's possible.
57:37It's possible.
57:39All right.
57:40Repeat tonight at 11.30.
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