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04:30in the isles of Grenada and of course today's Thursday as we continue to see clean up efforts
04:36from Jamaica of course by the horrendous hurricane Melissa over about two days ago and of course
04:44they're still counting the number of persons that would have died. I think the last figure was six
04:52and of course there's several places that still remain inaccessible to the authorities as they
04:58try to you know pick through debris fallen trees and other things as they try to get the areas in
05:05West Jamaica that are virtually cut off from the rest of other other towns or rather the city of
05:12Kingston and today of course with us is none other than ASP Ishmael Pitt of the Trinidad and Tobago
05:20Police Service. Welcome sir how have you been? Thank you Mark. Good evening to you. Good evening
05:25to Trinidad and Tobago. I've been too bad. More importantly how have you been? So far so good.
05:30Yeah excellent excellent a lot have been happening. Yes. I know you're on top of things and we trust that
05:36you know going forward into the weekend you know persons could see what we call brighter days. Yes
05:42certainly and I mean as you said a lot has been happening in our neighboring country of Jamaica
05:47with the unfortunate events of the hurricane over the last few days. Yeah. And I mean as Sergeant Ali pointed out yesterday we have to take stock of our own here and have proper preparations for any kind of emergency because we know sometimes when we experience heavy rainfall here in Trinidad and Tobago just heavy rainfall by a tropical depression we have a lot of issues. Of course so we subscribe to the adage when your neighbor's house is on fire.
06:16Look out for yours. Yes. So yeah preparation is important. Preparation is important and you know when you look at disaster management in terms of the cycle preparation is a significant part of the disaster management cycle. So it is important that you know as a society we take heed in relation to what is happening around us and we put things in place so that in the event God forbid that we are to fall within those circumstances we are fully prepared to
06:46Yes of course. Yes of course. Yes of course. Yes of course. And of course another story that a lot of people have been eyeing over the last I'd say five to six days or even before that is that geopolitical issue as it pertains to between the U.S. and Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago of course
07:01you know having the U.S. you know having the U.S. personnel U.S. as gravely coming to Trinidad on Sunday and also some other helicopters and so on that were here for a training exercise that lasted the better part of four days.
07:20The U.S. the U.S. as gravely pictured here of course left this morning at approximately 9 a.m. and was soon followed by the helicopters. I had some video of some persons who were on a border vessel in the Shagaramas area that saw the helicopters leaving maybe around between 10, 10.30 give or take.
07:44So Sydney of course we are still looking at that whole situation. I'm sure not just us here but the international media and the world is looking on because it's not something that we are accustomed to seeing in the Caribbean Sea this build up of U.S. military personnel.
08:03Yeah it's indeed what we will call new territory in relation to the environment that we are presently faced with. But we trust that things would work out at the end of the day. We are hoping as I said sometime last week that God is a treaty. Things work out you know and we could remain in that peaceful type of environment that we are accustomed to.
08:23Yeah certainly. And of course closer to home now somebody that was near and there to the heart of Trinidad and Tobago and would have served in his capacity as a commissioner of police here between the years of 2010 and 2012.
08:36Mr. Dwayne Gibbs who was also his deputy was Jackie Watsky. Unfortunately he would have passed on October 16th while attending a sporting event in Australia and Commissioner of Police Alistair Guvaro sending out a release today reminding him, reminding the nation rather of his tenure and saying that during his tenure he brought a wealth of international experience, a steadfast commitment to modern policing,
09:05and a deep dedication and a deep dedication to public service. Mr. Gibbs worked to implement reforms aimed at enhancing the professionalism and effectiveness of our national police service and he was widely respected for his integrity, discipline and unwavering belief in the power of ethical leadership.
09:25His passion, his passion for fitness and personal excellence was evident throughout his life and it is a testament to his character that he remained active and engaged in competitive sport well into his 70s.
09:39So the Commissioner of Police, Mr. Guvaro, on behalf of him and others and the wider law enforcement family extend their heartfelt condolences to the family and friends of Mr. Gibbs both in Canada, across the world and also here in Trinidad and Tobago.
09:58Yes, it's really a sad day. He was one of our commissioners within what we'll call a really, really significant period and what stood out was his passion for fitness.
10:13So it could be argued that amongst the commissioners he could come in for, you know, one of the fittest commissioners and that level of discipline, you know, just the way he carried himself
10:24and he was able to bring that international type standard in terms of forging new units that still exist today in the police service that treat to the whole issue of ethics, integrity and professional standards.
10:38You interacted with him at any time?
10:41Brief interactions, yes.
10:43Very, very young officer.
10:45Yes, indeed, indeed.
10:46But I know at least you would have had some kind of interaction.
10:49Yes, very brief.
10:49I know it might have been fleeting, but of course you would have recalled the kind of person he was or his demeanor when you met him.
10:57Yeah, well, you know, there's always in paramilitary organizations when as a junior officer you engage your senior officers, you know,
11:06you always see them as this authoritative type of figure.
11:09However, he made the experience, you know, less stressful and, you know, he was very receptive at the point in time.
11:18He didn't appear, aloft and things like that, that in some instances could come with that type of rank.
11:26But nonetheless, he wore the uniform, all things being considered with that level of professionalism, respect, integrity, dignity and excellence that, you know,
11:36are in sync, really, in terms of our watchwords and our code of ethics.
11:40Yes, certainly, right, and I hope, you know, he rests in peace and, of course, the best sympathies to his family.
11:48All right, we're moving on to, you know, a quite disturbing trend over the last 24 hours.
11:54We had three homicides, two, well, I'd say rather all in east of Port of Spain.
12:00The first one, of course, around 2 a.m. this morning, while Mr. Miguel Lawrence was leaving the Val Park Plaza,
12:10shopping plaza in the car park area, he was shot and killed by two gunmen as he approached his vehicle.
12:19Miguel Lawrence, as they identified, certainly around 2 o'clock, leaving the establishment of a nearby nightclub and going to his car.
12:29And, of course, it was also still a busy time in that area.
12:32There are other number of restaurants and lounges still open, and there were also other persons in the car park who would have been alarmed after hearing the gunshots.
12:43Yes.
12:43Would have ran for cover and so on.
12:45Yeah.
12:46Well, yes, you know, condolences to his family, friends, colleagues, and we are hopeful that anyone who has information
12:53that can provide that type of support to our investigative procedures could come forward with that information, 555-800-TIPS, you know, the Homicide Region 2.
13:03We are really in need of that level of partnership in order to treat issues of this nature and bring persons to account.
13:10Yes, certainly.
13:10And this morning, we also had a homicide in the Tunapuna area.
13:17Police believe that the person identified as 66, sorry, yesterday morning, 66-year-old Subhash Ranjitsing of Guli Street, Paje Main Road, Tunapuna.
13:28He was discovered in a bushy area off Cemetery Street, Wendy Hilaruka, and they believed he was killed for a Chevrolet Colorado pickup because persons in that area heard the gunshots
13:43and they later saw this vehicle that was owned by Mr. Ranjitsing leaving the area in a hurry.
13:50Yeah.
13:51Based on the reports I read in the Express and the other media.
13:54So, certainly, a really sad, you know, situation where he would have been perhaps hijacked by these assailants, taken to this area here, shot and killed, and his vehicle stolen.
14:08Yeah.
14:09Rootless, heartless, brutal.
14:11Again, anyone with information, please communicate with 800-TIPS-555, Homicide Region 2, or the nearest police station.
14:19Condolences to his friends and families.
14:21Indeed.
14:21And on Wednesday night, police also received a call along the Antigua Road in Wallerfield, where they went and they found an unidentified man, they believe in his late 30s.
14:35He was shot in his car several times, a silver Nissan Tida.
14:40I don't know if he was in some way told to meet someone there.
14:45He was put in place in some measure, but residents would have reported he heard gunshots and they would have contacted the police who got onto the scene from this unidentified male in the vehicle.
14:59Yeah, and again, you know, it was a very dark night as far as homicides are concerned in the East-West Corridor.
15:07Again, condolences to his family, friends, colleagues, and persons.
15:12Anyone with information, 800-TIPS-555, nearest police station, Homicide Region 2.
15:17So, you know, it's sort of like a rollercoaster ride at times.
15:23We have been doing a tremendous job, and I'm not saying it from just the perspective of a police service, but as a society.
15:30We are over 200 murders less than the same period last year.
15:34And, you know, ever so often we are reminded that as much as we are not where we used to be, we are still not where we want to be.
15:41We want to be, yes.
15:42Yes, and it's for that reason that we continue to ask members of the public, please continue to partner with us.
15:48You know, we want to ask persons to continue to pay cognizance to the fact that we can also look at target hardening, situational awareness, and the whole factor of being fully alert as to our environment.
16:04Now, again, this has nothing to do with the incidents that occurred last night, but we need to, as a society, understand the times that we are in and ensure that we are making the appropriate decisions when we traverse the nation's roadway, even when we are within our homes.
16:22If it is, if it is that we are at a venture somewhere in the quest for jollification, it is very important that we take safety and security as a pillar, as a priority, as something that is very significant.
16:35Yeah.
16:35All right.
16:35So I hope that everyone heeds your advice there, ASP PIT.
16:40All right.
16:40It's day 104 of the state of, sorry, day 105 of the state of emergency.
16:47We just wanted to bring you up to date with the figures.
16:50Number of operations, 7,593.
16:55Target priority offenders, 2,575.
16:58Searches conducted, 50,059.
17:01Traffic operations, 5,112.
17:05Total persons arrested, 3,290.
17:09Traffic offenses detected, 30,529.
17:13Firearms recovered remains the same, 192.
17:17Ammunition recovered remains the same, 2,510.
17:20Dangerous drug seized, another rise in cannabis, 629,432.98 grams of cannabis.
17:28Of course, also a rise in cocaine, 8,930.65 grams of cocaine.
17:34SDC and MOLLE remains the same.
17:36So, yeah.
17:38So, we continue to solely on in terms of our additional powers.
17:43We have been able to gain a tremendous amount of success as far as the powers have afforded us during the period of the SOE.
17:51And, you know, we would want the public to understand the efforts, the lengths that police officers go on a day-to-day basis in order to realize the type of success, the type of seizures that we are experiencing.
18:05I've said it before.
18:08It comes up on paper and it appears as statistics.
18:12Yeah.
18:12But there are a lot of work that goes into it, a lot of sacrifice.
18:17Persons are leaving their homes to ensure that our nation is safe.
18:21And all we are asking is that persons partner with us, that we take some level of responsibility regarding our own personal safety and that of our loved ones.
18:33All right.
18:34Let's take a quick look now at our headlines.
18:37Let's take a quick look now at our headlines.
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22:25He's a frequent caller, and, you know, he has a passion in terms of, and rightfully so,
22:29he has a passion in terms of how law enforcement treats with the situation of noise, right?
22:36Loud music, noise within the community, and even those that may emanate from vehicles.
22:42So I committed to providing some statistics this afternoon
22:48regarding the amount of tickets that have been issued for the year to date
22:53in terms of loud music emanating from Motovikas.
22:59And that figure is 363.
23:01Now, I want us to take that 363 into context.
23:05363 doesn't mean to say that the officers did not have that interaction,
23:13that type of engagement with persons who may have been playing their music loudly
23:18coming from motor vehicles.
23:20It could be that persons were also warned,
23:23which is also a common policing approach.
23:25And in local colloquial language, you may call it a blight.
23:30So at times, it may give persons a blight.
23:32There are other instances, which is something that is very common.
23:35It is practical, and I know that a lot of persons could relate it,
23:38where persons may observe police activity taking place up the road,
23:44and for that reason, they may just lower their music
23:47until they pass the road check area.
23:50It does mean to say, caller, because I'm certain that he's with us,
23:55it does mean to say that there isn't room for improvement where that is concerned.
24:00We are always open to suggestions and recommendations
24:03in terms of how we can treat with these issues
24:05because once it impacts the community, you know,
24:08it impacts what we call quality of life type of issues,
24:14and, you know, we would want to ensure that our members of our communities are better off.
24:19So through our TONG meetings,
24:22which occurs in almost every station district throughout Trinidad and Tobago,
24:27we ask persons to provide that level of feedback,
24:30and that feedback is to show us where we can improve,
24:33where we may be going wrong, where we can do things a bit differently.
24:38So, yes, we are treated with the issue from both perspective of issuing of tickets,
24:45issuing of warnings,
24:46but possibly there might be another way by which you could ensure
24:51that the level of effectiveness in itself could improve.
24:56Yeah, well, I'm glad that you brought that to the attention of our viewers.
24:59I know a number of viewers call here from time to time passionately
25:02talking about noise pollution,
25:04and it's good that ESP PIT can actually give an update in reference.
25:10There are a number of tickets that have been issued for the year, yes?
25:13Yes, 363.
25:14Yes, 363.
25:15Yeah.
25:16So, definitely, I know you said that there is room for improvement,
25:19but definitely the police is doing something
25:22contrary to what other places might think.
25:24So, caller, or callers rather, you know, if you're seeing somebody,
25:29take your number plate so that maybe down the road the police might be able to identify
25:34this car is playing loud music and it might be stopped at somewhere else.
25:38Exactly.
25:39And, you know, improvement doesn't mean to say that
25:41an increase in the issue of tickets.
25:45It could also mean, as I said before, cheating with it in other ways,
25:50where we can have drivers now become more responsible
25:54and become more socially friendly
25:57and become more respectful of the environment
26:00and the communities that they may traverse with their motor vehicles.
26:04So, it is very important to look at it from the different lengths.
26:08You know, there are persons who would love to see
26:11the further rounds of tickets being issued,
26:13and then there are other persons who might say,
26:15well, police too wicked.
26:18Yeah, well, when you talk about the further rounds and so on,
26:21we think about Sergeant Ali in his new portfolio,
26:24Director of Policy and Community Support
26:26under the Homeland Security Ministry.
26:29I got it right, if you're listening.
26:31And, yeah, definitely, this is an area he will be looking at as well,
26:35along with other areas, as he tries to tweak certain policies
26:38as it relates to law enforcement.
26:40Yes.
26:40And perhaps you would have met with him already and discussed things.
26:45Indeed, indeed, indeed, indeed.
26:46So, I'll take that as a yes.
26:48Yes, of course.
26:50Well, it's no secret that I...
26:52Ah, ah, was I right or not?
26:55A little birdie told me.
26:57It's no secret that I hold another hat.
27:00Yes.
27:00I'm the Vice President of the Association,
27:03and within recent weeks, I have been acting in the capacity as the president.
27:08Yeah.
27:08Ah, so, yes, we met with Mr. Ali to treat with issues surrounding police officers,
27:16and, you know, the transit police on this occasion came up for a lot of the engagements,
27:22a lot of the discussions, because those officers there are a tremendous bunch of officers who have been doing a lot.
27:29It's not ordinary people doing extraordinary things, but they are not without issues.
27:34And we are grateful that we were able to meet with the director on such short notice.
27:39The discussions were very encouraging.
27:42Just the fact that he was able now to be so receptive,
27:46and we had some...
27:48We had a transit officer who was present, you know,
27:50and he was able to pass on the information to his colleagues,
27:53and it has placed some level of motivation already on the ground.
27:58So, Mr. Ali, we thank you very much
28:00and we look forward to your continued support
28:03in terms of improving the standards
28:05and the working environment for police officers as a whole.
28:08The man is already on the ground in less than 24 hours, so to speak.
28:14All right, Sergeant Ali, carry on.
28:16All right, we have our first caller on the line.
28:17Caller, good evening and welcome to be on the table.
28:19Yes, Mr. Bill, Mr. Mark, and Sergeant Pitt.
28:24Good answer.
28:25My suggestion, because a lot of people ignore the law
28:29and then they will tell me to go online to find out the offenses.
28:34Okay?
28:35Why can the station get about 500 workplaces
28:42and sell it to the public for $10?
28:45People will laugh it up, people will buy it, people don't know the offenses.
28:48And I hope that when all police officers will have these books for the public apply
28:56and also all police officers will have an 800 toll-free number for the public.
29:02Thank you, sir.
29:04Okay.
29:04Thank you very much.
29:05Well, at this point in time, we do have a toll-free number, and it is 999.
29:10It is not limited to any station.
29:12However, they will direct you to whatever station district,
29:15or they will direct the responses for the respective station district to whatever your situation is.
29:22Concerning the, and his suggestion is providing a document
29:27that can identify the different offenses for members of the public to be sensitized
29:32at a particular cost.
29:33And, Carla, I'm hoping that I got you correct.
29:36But I'm pleased to state today that, you know, we have everything online.
29:44And we are able now to go and check through the different books,
29:46the Motor Vehicle and Road Traffic Act 4850,
29:48and we are able to identify the different offenses as road users
29:53and even street offenses under the Summary Offenses Act,
29:56offenses against the persons as well.
29:59So, you know, we are in an information age,
30:04and everything more or less is at your fingertips.
30:08You can Google and you can have access to the laws of Chirion Tobago
30:12and, you know, put yourself in that position where you are cooler
30:17with what it is happening so that you can make prudent decisions
30:21and you don't run afoul of the law, so to speak.
30:24Yeah?
30:25I said ignorance is not an excuse in this instance now that we have everything.
30:29It was never an excuse, but that statement now is even more pronounced.
30:34Exactly.
30:34Yeah.
30:35You know, you have it right in front of you.
30:37Once you have Internet access, you're good to go.
30:39Yes.
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33:16The foundational pit of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
33:19And we wanted to also bring you up to speed with another homicide that took place somewhere
33:24in the Toko area yesterday morning.
33:27We understand the body was found with several gunshot wounds.
33:30A person was later identified.
33:33He deceased as Rinaldo Marshall, 25, of Matlot.
33:38He had gunshot wounds to both his legs, neck, and upper chest.
33:45Obviously, police are still trying to ascertain a motive for this shooting.
33:51That would make it four homicides in the last 24 hours odd.
33:56Yes, as I said, you know, it was a dark period in the east-west corridor as far as homicides are concerned.
34:04And, again, condolences to his family and friends.
34:08And we ask anyone with information regarding this incident to please communicate with 800-TIPS-555-Homicide Region 2
34:16so that, again, we can get some level of accountability where this is concerned.
34:21Yes, certainly.
34:22And, you know, in the same way, we want to express our sympathies to the family of Mark Ramdan,
34:28a young man who lost his life in a rather freakish accident yesterday evening along the Revillette Road in Coover.
34:39And you would see the vehicle there.
34:41Apparently, he was heading in the opposite direction of that trailer truck that you just saw in the video there,
34:49the blue trailer truck there.
34:50And we understand, based on the police reports, that one of the wheels of that trailer truck became detached
34:56as a consequence of which I think the entire trailer derailed.
35:01And in so doing, would have slammed into his car, flinging it, of course, to the side of the roadway and killing him instantly.
35:13Yeah.
35:14Really, really sad.
35:15And, you know, I've been saying condolences for the entirety of the evening.
35:21And, you know, I can't stop it.
35:22This is the trailer involved in the accident and the truck, you know.
35:25And it also brings to this question of safety of these heavy vehicles as well, ASP pit.
35:34You know, sometimes you see some of them driving, moving around with less tires than they're supposed to have.
35:41Or the trailer is sitting, or the container rather, is sitting on that extended part without being properly secured even.
35:53Yeah.
35:53They're sitting clamps, you know.
35:56And this tire detaches and the trailer just, I guess, jackknives.
36:02Well, we will always say that, firstly, accidents will happen.
36:06Yeah.
36:07But we will always say as well that most accidents can be avoided.
36:12Surely.
36:13And, again, I must say this is not prejudice, this accident.
36:18But, generally speaking, it is important that road safety is maintained.
36:24And road safety is what?
36:26Everybody's business, Mark.
36:27Everybody's business.
36:28If it is that we have our vehicles inspected, if it is that we obey the laws of the roadway,
36:38if it is that we drive with that level of decency and we accept that level of responsibility,
36:44then we are of the view, which is based on evidence, that we are going to get less road carnage,
36:50less accidents, generally speaking.
36:53Yeah.
36:53Well said.
36:54All right.
36:55I think we have another caller on the line.
36:56Caller, good evening and welcome to be on the tape.
36:58You're live.
36:59Good afternoon, Mr. Mark Bassan and A.S.P. Pitt.
37:05Afternoon, sir.
37:05Mr. Pitt, there are two events that are occurring close to each other.
37:17And the first event is the passing away of doing great deformities,
37:21and I want to offer my condolence to him and his family if they are listening globally.
37:27Yeah.
37:28Why I am focusing on that, I want a job to oppose it with the election of the TGPS Welfare Association sometime soon.
37:40Yes, next week, Monday.
37:42Beautiful.
37:43I'm glad you know that.
37:45I have a very good memory.
37:48And why Steve Biggins was here.
37:51If he did it full term, the TGPS would have been in a better place.
37:56At that point, the TGPS Welfare Association was adversarial to him performing his job.
38:10A lot of the officers, including the sergeant who was the president,
38:15made a lot of adversarial comments on his performance.
38:20You can go back on the newspaper and you see it.
38:22So, while I'm saying that, I'm hoping that a new executive, I think you have thrown your hat into it.
38:32Yes, sir.
38:33Does not do that to my current commission of police.
38:39I'm watching you as a citizen.
38:42I am watching and I'm talking.
38:44The second point is, it must not be an executive would have another day of policing.
38:50It must not be an executive that who have risen to the top, those same executives at that point in time,
38:59that failed us with the day of policing.
39:01And I'm hoping the new executive, I'm agitated for a totally different mindset for the new executive.
39:08The second point is, I would like to know, you see that confederate that fell and killed the person?
39:19We were talking about preparedness, disaster management.
39:23How long we take to clear that road and how much traffic it caused.
39:28So, yes, we have to be safe on the road.
39:31Yes, but we have to plan to overcome the disaster in the shortest space of time.
39:37That is what disaster preparedness is.
39:39Not only the corrective action, but the preventive action.
39:43I'm going to have a nice evening.
39:44Thank you very much, sir.
39:48So, you mentioned that a previous executive of the association, when Mr. Gibbs was in office,
39:57they had some words that didn't sit well with him.
40:00I can't at this point in time reflect or see with any certainty what it is was said at that point in time,
40:08but clearly it didn't sit well with the caller.
40:09And he's asking that whoever assumes the position as executive of this august body,
40:18that, you know, they don't repeat from his lens the mistakes of the past.
40:25Yeah.
40:26What I would say is this.
40:28Association business is serious business.
40:32And it treats with welfare, well-being of officers.
40:36And it is such that regardless of who is responsible for the issue,
40:45that your voice is heard.
40:47Yeah, definitely.
40:48It is a job that you must be fearless
40:51because you are bringing the concerns of officers
40:56towards the persons who are responsible for their tenureship.
41:01And you cannot cower, you cannot be slighted,
41:07and you cannot be deterred in that regard.
41:11So, if it is that you believe that there should be a level of compromise
41:20in terms of that contract that you have signed off with your membership
41:24regarding your ability to represent,
41:28then that job is not for you.
41:30It doesn't mean to say, caller,
41:33that on the other hand, you will just be a rebel without a cause
41:37and just be noisy for being noisy's sake.
41:41We have to be practical.
41:42We have to be real.
41:43And definitely, we have to be supportive of our administration.
41:48But everything must be taken into context,
41:50and it's a matter of respecting each other's roles
41:53so we can go forward and do things respectfully.
41:56Because at the end of the day, everything channels into productivity.
42:02If we have a workforce that is well cared for, well catered for, well resourced,
42:09then that workforce is going to be much more productive, much more motivated,
42:16and the society as a whole will feel much safer.
42:22So, everything connects.
42:24Everything connects.
42:25Well, as I said, I don't think from the onset,
42:28you all or whoever gets, assumes that role,
42:32would set out to be adversarial to the commissioner.
42:35But you have to, as all things equal, depending on the situation or the circumstances
42:42or a particular subject matter or something that needs to be brought to the attention
42:47of the relative personnel, you have to bring it to the relative personnel
42:52for the betterment of the officers that you represent.
42:55That's right.
42:55And we always argue, we always argue, Mark,
42:59that the betterment of officers redound to the betterment of each and every individual in the society.
43:07Because our job is safeguarding the society.
43:10And if we are properly well looked after, so to speak,
43:14then obviously you're going to get a better product going forward.
43:18You're going to get a better police officer going forward.
43:20You're going to get a better police organization going forward.
43:23So we all want the same thing.
43:27It just means that, as I said before, we have different roles
43:31and we must be able to respect the roles that we have.
43:34And it's not a case of because you have a particular role
43:37that you're going to be openly disrespectful
43:39and you withdraw that level of support.
43:43That is not modern representation.
43:46And there must be an evolution in terms of how we go about doing our business
43:51because, as police officers, there's a large responsibility attached to every single decision that we make.
43:59Yeah.
43:59Well said.
44:00Yeah.
44:00All right.
44:01So, Cole, I hope that he answered your question two times over.
44:05All right.
44:06We're going to take a short break.
44:07And when we get back, we'll have more and take some of your calls.
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46:08Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
46:21I'm your host, Mark Besson, of course, joined today by ASP Ishmael Pitt of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
46:28And I do believe you have another call on the line.
46:30Caller, good evening, and welcome to Beyond the Tape.
46:32You're live.
46:32Yeah, good evening, sir.
46:35I'd like to say, good evening to my former brother, I suppose, who to be a successful target, come Monday.
46:49But I must say, like I said, this is a follow-up test, and I know something that is just comfortable with the director of the police service.
46:57Caller, you're going to have a bit more for that, please.
47:00You're going to have a bit more for that.
47:01Caller.
47:01One second.
47:03You're sounding a bit muffled.
47:05I don't know if there's some problem with the connection or maybe move around a bit, just so we can...
47:11If you're on speaker, of course.
47:13Let's try again.
47:14Caller, good evening.
47:16Good evening, gentlemen.
47:17Much better.
47:18Inspector Pitt, for the previous caller, who is my fellow brother-in-law and association associate.
47:28Well, I just say, in terms of what the equivalent of the executive police, people have to realize that the executive who is in front of the association, they can't do anything by their service.
47:44There is a procedure, and the supreme lawmaking, when you have the association, is the general council.
47:52Every general council, by its mandate, says to the executive, this is how we want to proceed.
47:58This is how they have to proceed, whether they like it or not.
48:01And that is what happened on the day of total policing.
48:04That is one.
48:05And the second thing, on that day, while it would have caused good luck and so on, on that day, there were no murders, Mr. Bassan.
48:13You can go back and check that.
48:14That's the only day in the history of policing in my career, and I'm sure, in fact, of this career then, where there were no murders.
48:21And there were no murders because the usual perpetrators were unable to proceed.
48:26And something that people neglect to consider is that the association is empowered by an act of parliament.
48:34They don't do anything willy-nilly.
48:36To wind up an association, they have to make certain moves and so on.
48:39And people also forget the amount of police officers.
48:45Police officers will suffer the most losses during COVID from all ranks, from first division to second division.
48:53They didn't even receive a medal for gallantry in the award.
48:56They were not nominated for award.
48:58You understand what I'm saying?
48:59And this is what people have to consider.
49:01You understand what I'm saying?
49:02So that I would say that the work of the association is necessary because, just as Mr. Pipps said,
49:09it redounds to the benefit of the members of the society, better officers, better resource officers,
49:17better officers who are motivated to, it redounds to all of our safety.
49:24And that's how you have to look at it.
49:27You understand?
49:27There's a reason why all over the world, police officers have federal organizations, associations, they can join unions because it is a right.
49:38And something that people don't consider under an act such as the OSH Act, police officers are not considered workers.
49:45We are not workers in that regard.
49:47And therefore, as we have seen, what has happened in Jamaica now.
49:53I hope you all could pull up the clip of an officer being interviewed by the reporter on Fox News and see the importance of the police in times like this.
50:03And we shouldn't take it for granted that all police are concerned about are increases in salaries.
50:08And so I know it's much more than that.
50:10But the welfare of all the men and women at the Trans-Divigal Police Service is paramount.
50:16And we're, like I say again, in closing, we don't take the benefit of society.
50:21It's a partnership.
50:22Yes.
50:23Thank you very much, man.
50:24And thank you for the opportunity.
50:26Thanks a lot, Colin.
50:27I think you echoed that sentiment earlier on when you had responded to the caller.
50:32And in terms of it's just not about wage increase.
50:36It's much more than that when you look at the intricacies of how the TTPS runs and the importance.
50:44A lot of people don't know the layers.
50:46And they're not familiar with a lot of the things that happen internally where officers obviously need the association to be their voice.
50:54Of course.
50:55Of course.
50:55And it is extensive.
50:57It's not limited to that, you know.
50:59And sometimes, you know, association businesses is heavily individualistic in that what may affect one officer might not affect the other officer.
51:11And, you know, you must be able to strike the balance in terms of cheating with both officers' issues as a matter of priority.
51:18Yeah.
51:18Because who feels it knows it, you know.
51:21So nothing is to be slighted.
51:24Everything must be taken into consideration.
51:26And as I said before, when you are called upon as that voice, you must ensure that your voice is heard.
51:35Yes.
51:35And we want to thank the caller who was a former police officer.
51:38Yes.
51:39Who called in as well and expressed his sentiments.
51:42All right.
51:42We have another caller on the line.
51:43The last caller for the show.
51:45Caller, good day.
51:46Welcome to be on the tape.
51:48Good evening, gentlemen.
51:51Good evening, sir.
51:52Good day, sir.
51:52Familiar voice.
51:53Yes, sir.
51:57I want to say to you thanks for giving those statistics to me.
52:07And I want to repeat.
52:09Now, first, let me say, too, that I understand your job of a policeman.
52:13It's not an easy job.
52:14Yeah, I appreciate it.
52:16I can say that.
52:17I also believe that as this officer doesn't really understand what it is from noise pollution on a regular basis.
52:32I really don't think so.
52:33And I'm saying so.
52:33I want you to understand.
52:35I'm saying so.
52:35It's not only from my experience.
52:38I want to make this clear.
52:40Whenever I call on any program to speak about noise, I want to speak about noise only in my area or only in my experience.
52:49I want to say to you, Mark, that maybe sometime soon you should visit that site on Facebook.
53:05Because I don't think even you as an investigative reporter on how far, how widespread, how deep this problem is in Trinidad and Tobago.
53:15And I don't believe the average police officer understands that either.
53:20So while I am thankful for these statistics, Dave, I want to just remind you of something I said before.
53:29I have read and I have heard and seen on television that certain experts, I don't know exactly who they are,
53:36but they quite clear that their estimation, there are approximately 500,000 cars on the roadway.
53:46I am saying that the people in this case...
53:48I'm not hearing him again.
53:50All right, Kola, I think we'll have to leave it there for now.
53:54Of course, we were not hearing the last couple of seconds of what you were making reference to,
53:59but I did know that you brought up a couple of things there that you would like to quickly wrap up on.
54:04No, well, he indicated he was appreciative of the fact that I was able to bring these statistics.
54:10And, you know, he did indicate that he understands that police work in itself is one that, you know, it is demanding.
54:17He did suggest that, well, it's his view that, you know, there are a lot of police officers who are not necessarily a cura in relation to treating with noise pollution issues.
54:29And, you know, I have said it, and when I spoke of these statistics, I mentioned that definitely there is room for improvement.
54:38And it's not only about just the issuing of tickets.
54:43It's about also being able to educate members of the public, and it's for drivers to accept that level of responsibility so that, you know, you have respect.
54:52You have respect for the environment because it is pollution.
54:56So you have respect for the environment.
54:57You know, it mustn't always be that you have to use the brunt of the law in order for people to conform and, you know, be socially acceptable.
55:08It should be that persons through, you know, even if you have community programs and outreach and, you know, education drives and all these things,
55:17that they are able now to have within themselves that character to more or less carry themselves and conduct themselves in a manner where we could say it is socially acceptable.
55:31So it is greater than just policing because we could issue 1,000 tickets.
55:37We could issue 5,000 tickets.
55:39Would that mean that behavior is changing?
55:41In fact, there is a demonstration that things are not as good as we would want it to be.
55:47So we have to get people on board, and we have to get people on board by sensitizing them and, you know, bringing them to that understanding that, you know what, it's not just about you.
55:58Yes, you have the right to property, but you don't have the right to infringe other person's rights whilst enjoying that property.
56:06Yeah, well said.
56:07I couldn't have said it better myself, of course.
56:09He was alluding to something that I should be investigating looking on Facebook, but I really couldn't hear the end part of it.
56:17But quickly, we just want to warn people again, do not go on Facebook and try to buy things.
56:25A man went on Facebook under an association, a name called Bills and Cows, to buy cattle, $2,400.
56:34I met these guys, they held them up, and took $2,400.
56:38Come on, we can do better.
56:41Mark, we will continue to reach out to members of the public.
56:44Every time we come on these programs, we are going to continue to reach out to members of the public.
56:54Please inform your friends, your family, your colleagues.
56:59Facebook is not the safest of areas in order to do your shopping.
57:03And we will speak about that more.
57:06Alright, yes, people, thanks so much for spending the last hour with us.
57:08Remember, we run tonight at 11.30.
57:11Another repeat tomorrow at 11 o'clock.
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