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00:00I often claim ignorance because I am ignorant to these things.
00:04I don't see them.
00:05I do not see them.
00:06So I'm going to say the whole, I've never seen this before,
00:10and so many of you don't believe me, I swear to God,
00:13on my kids, on my dead mother in the basement.
00:15I have not seen this comparison that Lima is about to bring up to me
00:19when it comes to Shador Sanders.
00:21Honest to God, I have no idea.
00:22Do you have a lot of them blocked or muted?
00:24Is that what's going on here?
00:25No, I just don't see them.
00:26I don't know what you – you said something about first years,
00:28and I just went, fine, we'll put it in the show,
00:31and I'm going to let you go ahead and ride.
00:33Shador fans, let the record show.
00:34I at least read your hate-filled materials and responses.
00:37I at least will look at it.
00:40Ken, I mean, he just doesn't believe in him so much that he has you guys.
00:43I don't get hate like you.
00:45I don't block it.
00:45Who do I block?
00:46Anyway, here is the post that I'm getting a lot of.
00:49Last week it was his one game versus Brendan Sorsby, you know,
00:53two or three years ago.
00:54So this week it's – here is the chart of all the Hall of Fame quarterbacks
00:59and their struggles in their first seven games.
01:01And it's got Peyton Manning, eight touchdowns, 15 interceptions.
01:05Troy Aikman, 0-7, four touchdowns, 10 interceptions.
01:08Elway, 1-6, three touchdowns, 14 interceptions.
01:12And that's Terry Bradshaw.
01:13Josh Allen, Steve Young, Vinny Testaverde made the list.
01:16Trevor Lawrence, Drew Brees, Matt Stafford.
01:18And to that, I always got this because remember Baker Mayfield,
01:23we got this, illustrated a bunch of times at the start
01:27and how Baker had better stats than all these Hall of Fame quarterbacks.
01:30And here it's just that Shador is on par with these Hall of Fame quarterbacks.
01:35And it's just kind of funny.
01:37Like you would –
01:38Well, was I willing to do it for Baker back in the day
01:41when we made these comparisons?
01:43I don't know.
01:44I just think then you could do this.
01:45I think I was.
01:46I'm going to go under the guys that I was.
01:48My issue is this would be interchangeable.
01:50You'd have to also say this for Dylan Gabriel.
01:54You'd have to say it for all the bad quarterbacks
01:56and the guys that statistically were horrendous when they first started.
02:00Now, I have none of the deeper dive numbers,
02:04like the EPA per play for all these, the interceptable throws,
02:08the, you know, accuracy markers that we have today,
02:13which, of course, Shador was like historically bad since they've been tracking this stuff.
02:17He was.
02:18He was historically bad.
02:19Now, you can say, well, here are the 100 reasons he was historically bad.
02:23But that's fine.
02:24Like I'm not saying Shador can't get better.
02:27I'm just saying it doesn't look good.
02:28Like here are a lot of the indicators they don't look good for him.
02:32And he's got a lot to overcome because when you're telling me like,
02:37oh, accuracy is his thing.
02:38He was actually one of the least accurate passers we've had as a rookie.
02:41So, but they have better ways to describe these things
02:45and to take them into consideration.
02:47You just telling me that he has similar stats to all these Hall of Fame quarterbacks.
02:50Okay.
02:51I could do that with every quarterback that plays.
02:53You wouldn't argue for all those other quarterbacks.
02:55Well, no, you would just say that the other quarterbacks who you don't even know
02:58because they don't get brought up because they just continue to be bad.
03:02Yeah.
03:02Josh Rosen.
03:03I'm sure his numbers looked as bad as all these Hall of Fame quarterbacks.
03:07That's not a reason to believe in Josh Rosen.
03:10I wouldn't say, like Kenny, I wouldn't play Howard Stern's very first year in radio
03:16and compare it to anybody applying for a job here that's worked in a small market
03:22or maybe did a podcast and say, well, Howard Stern's first year was bad.
03:26That wouldn't be a way to hire somebody, right?
03:28No.
03:29Like, that's just – I don't understand throwing these numbers.
03:32If all you're saying is, hey, he might get better, these guys got better, sure,
03:38and so could everybody else that's ever played quarterback.
03:40Well, I mean, if I really wanted to do – well, actually, because I'm looking at –
03:44I just don't like the –
03:44It's not really a vote of confidence in Shador is what I'm saying.
03:47Yeah, but –
03:47That's nothing to do with it.
03:48Let me do this because this ends up being a longer thing than I thought it was going to be.
03:52Take Dylan Gabriel out of it because nobody intended Dylan Gabriel to be a starter.
03:55We intend for Shador Sanders to be a starter.
03:57So, Shador actually shares something with those other guys.
04:00Those were all intended to be starters.
04:02Take out Terry Bradshaw.
04:04Oh, wait.
04:04He was drafted after Dylan Gabriel.
04:06So, obviously, the Browns had hopes in Dylan Gabriel.
04:10Well, then why wouldn't they have taken Shador there?
04:12Your guess is as good as mine.
04:13Tone, I have no idea.
04:15I'm only going by the right now because Dylan Gabriel is not in the conversation to be a starter.
04:19Shador Sanders is.
04:19So, I take Dylan Gabriel out of it because I don't consider Dylan Gabriel to be starting quality or the
04:25hopes for starting quality.
04:26Even though his numbers were on par with Peyton Manning and Troy Aitman and John Elway.
04:30Then you go ahead –
04:31You see how silly this is?
04:32Yeah, I understand that.
04:33I also don't want to compare Terry Bradshaw and Vinny Testaverde.
04:36I think it's a bygone era.
04:38Especially Terry Bradshaw.
04:39Of course it is.
04:40Because, I mean, you go back and you look at some of the stats of what we consider to be
04:43good quarterbacks.
04:44You see the touchdown-interception ratio and you go, what?
04:46Like, how long – it's a different game.
04:48It's just a different game.
04:50And I try to find reasons why and I still kind of go, I still don't know.
04:54So, take those guys out of it.
04:55Now, I've been a Shador defender on multiple fronts.
04:59I cannot claim to be a person who says he's going to be a franchise quarterback.
05:04Just you guys wait and see.
05:06Yeah, you're not saying that.
05:07The only thing I've made is the argument to give him a chance.
05:09And the rest of the stuff I think has been said about him has been asinine.
05:12He is being given a chance.
05:14He's in a competition.
05:15So, I've not seen this graphic when it comes to these other players.
05:20I don't find fault in them putting them with him for the only reason, this is it,
05:25is that they believe he's going to be a franchise guy.
05:29Now, because I'm not there yet, I still expect him to be a starter at some point.
05:33Because he's expected to be a starter, fine, go ahead and throw him in with those names.
05:37And then do we put Jackson Dart in with these names?
05:39Yeah, why wouldn't you?
05:40And do we put Shook?
05:42Do we put all of them?
05:43You can do that.
05:44You can go ahead and do that.
05:45Because I'm not sitting there trying to rip on him.
05:47Then what's the point of this exercise is what I'm saying.
05:49They're just trying to tell you that they think he's good.
05:51I don't know what else to tell you.
05:53I've not seen this.
05:53But you see how silly this is.
05:55Why don't we just throw every quarterback who's ever played and who struggles in their
05:59first seven games and say, look at Peyton Manning.
06:01Look at Troy Aikman.
06:02Look at John Elway.
06:03But I think we do that.
06:05This is not a case for Shador Sanders.
06:06I think we do that.
06:07You just said we did it with Baker.
06:09Now, Baker is not a bad quarterback.
06:11He's not a Hall of Famer.
06:13He's not an all-pro level guy.
06:14No, the Baker thing was that his numbers were better than these guys.
06:16So if we do that with Baker, who was taken number one overall and was expected to be
06:20a starting guy.
06:21Now, this guy wasn't taken number one overall, but he's expected to be a starter.
06:25I don't understand the big issue.
06:26Now, I would say, yeah, if his career ends up like those guys, it'd be a tremendous story.
06:31But I'm not mad over people making those comparisons.
06:33The only thing I get annoyed with, honestly, is the completion percentage in training camp.
06:38Because it's just so silly to me.
06:40That's the only one where I just give the side eye to everybody.
06:42Go, come on.
06:43You guys are better than this.
06:44But if we're going to compare him to guys who ended up having Hall of Fame careers in
06:49their first seasons, go ahead and knock yourself out.
06:52It's no hair off my ass.
06:53I don't care.
06:54Should I care?
06:55Am I doing this wrong?
06:57Am I lying to you by saying I don't care?
06:59Is that what you think?
06:59I think it's a gigantic waste of time.
07:02I think you do it with, I'm sure there were running backs that struggled right away.
07:05Clearly.
07:06I'm sure there were every.
07:06Well, Trent Richardson, his only good year was with us.
07:09I remember they were doing this with comparisons like Evan Mobley to Giannis.
07:13Look at Evan Mobley.
07:14He's better right off the bat than Giannis.
07:16And, you know, here we are in year five.
07:18And I can guarantee you that I was one of the people who wanted to buy into that.
07:22So how am I supposed to accuse a Shador fan of impropriety, of their own thoughts of what
07:29this guy is going to be when you're giving me examples of things I bought into?
07:33I'm not sure I bought into the Baker thing that what you just did.
07:35I'm about 95%, me knowing me, probably bought into that.
07:41I'm about 95%, me knowing me, probably bought into the Evan Mobley comparison.
07:45So why am I supposed to rip on Shador for something like that?
07:48I can't.
07:49Or how am I supposed to rip on the fans for something like that?
07:51I can't.
07:52And I won't.
07:53Do the Shador people realize we could have done this same exercise of posting the Hall
07:57of Fame graphic of quarterbacks that struggled when Deshaun Kizer struggled in his first seven
08:03games.
08:03I understand that.
08:04And then his next ten games.
08:05Yeah, I understand that.
08:07I just don't get bothered by everything they do.
08:10Every fan base is going to make themselves feel better about their player and going to
08:14defend players.
08:16So I don't get mad.
08:20Like, it is what it is.
08:21I used to get mad.
08:22I used to get mad at PFF when they used to say things so great about Cody Kessler.
08:27I'm like, come on.
08:28But fans, I don't get mad.
08:30Because I used to accuse PFF.
08:31Back in the day, I used to accuse PFF of being like Miss Cleo.
08:34You just went to the website to make yourself feel better about how things were going.
08:37I thought that was a good line.
08:38Well, I didn't mean to do it all the time.
08:40And then we ended up meeting people from PFF.
08:42And I liked those guys.
08:43And now the ones I like, they're not there anymore.
08:46And the company got sold.
08:47So I can go rip it on PFF again if I really want to.
08:49Comes full circle.
08:50Yeah.
08:51But I, look, you mentioned Tyler Shook.
08:53I'm like, yeah, throw Shook in there.
08:55Throw Jackson Dart in there.
08:57If you want to.
08:58That's fine.
08:58Make yourself feel better about it.
09:00You got a young guy.
09:01If you don't have hope, then what the hell do you have?
09:03You might as well have hope.
09:04And that goes for Jackson Dart, who was taken in the first round.
09:07And Shook, who was taken in the second round.
09:10And Shador Sanders, who was taken in the fifth round.
09:12Because all are expected to start at some point this year.
09:16Now, yeah, Shook and Dart will be week one starters.
09:20It's up in the air whether or not Shador will be.
09:23And I think that this is part of the argument.
09:25Because if I were a guy who, if I dropped in on the Browns and I was that big of
09:29a fan
09:29of one player, and I just dropped in as a Browns fan and go, well, I'm going to be a
09:34Browns fan just because they drafted my favorite quarterback and this is the way it goes.
09:39I'm not above making those arguments.
09:41I'm not.
09:43Because you get very defensive about your player.
09:46And I brought up that I can't sit there and attack them over.
09:49Now, some of the defense is being brought up.
09:51Yeah, I've given the side eye before.
09:54I've done it on the air.
09:55But it just so happens recently, I've been kind of understanding of where some of their
10:00gripes are when it came to the Soresby stuff.
10:02I thought it was absolutely ridiculous, all the excuses being made for Brendan Soresby.
10:08Well, he goes to church.
10:09I'm like, I'm sorry, did this guy not just get baptized in front of God and everybody
10:12on social media a month ago?
10:15And we're talking about Brendan Soresby and how often he goes to church and all this other
10:18stuff.
10:19I mean, come on, that's asinine.
10:20Well, two girlfriends also.
10:21Yeah, that doesn't matter to me either.
10:24So if he's a virgin, he's allowed to gamble all he wants.
10:27Is that how that goes?
10:29So I just thought some of it was just dumb.
10:31And if I think that some of it is dumb and I think some of it is hypocritical, I'm going
10:35to call it out for hypocrisy.
10:37And damn it, I thought a lot of this was hypocritical.
10:39And it was with that and even with some of the stuff, like I think some of you guys get
10:43so damn upset and so damn obsessed with your mentions every damn day.
10:48It's like, you see the forest for the trees, guys.
10:50Well, what else do we got?
10:51It's either Shador, if Deshaun Watson starts the season, not many people are going to like
10:56that.
10:57It's plain fact, but at least you have someone to look forward to.
11:00If Shador Sanders starts the season, you got someone to look forward to right off the rip.
11:04And it'd be great if he did well, because I don't have a future with Deshaun Watson.
11:07I told you, even if they make the playoffs with Deshaun Watson, I might tag him.
11:11I might just go, I might go as far as the franchise tag.
11:13I'm drafting a quarterback in the first round.
11:15I'm trading up.
11:16I don't give a damn.
11:17Even if they go to the playoffs with him, because I think that might be fool's gold with
11:20this guy.
11:22At least he'd be young.
11:23I'd still probably be going in that direction, maybe.
11:26But I'd like to see it, because I look at a 20-something younger quarterback, and maybe
11:31that's exactly what I want.
11:32I'm just so much more open-minded to the future of Shador than I am with anybody else in that
11:36quarterback room.
11:37This is the beauty of the fact that he gets a chance now.
11:40He gets a real opportunity.
11:42We all know last year was insane and ridiculous, the setup.
11:45By the way, for all four quarterbacks, not just Shador.
11:48Yes, he was the last one in the pecking order, but all of them, it didn't make sense.
11:52Okay.
11:532-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
11:55Let me get to one person real quick.
11:56Let me get to Chuck in Cleveland Heights.
11:59There we go.
12:00Chuck, hello.
12:01Yo, what up, man?
12:02What's up, man?
12:02What's going on?
12:04What's happening, Chuck?
12:04Go ahead.
12:05So I'm going to be more positive today.
12:08You know what I mean?
12:08I don't want you guys to think I hate the show.
12:10I love it.
12:10I know I call in every now and then.
12:12I'm real angry.
12:14What's going on?
12:15So let me say this.
12:17I just want to start with this.
12:19The problem is gone, guys.
12:21So we need to look towards the future.
12:23Kevin Stefanski was the problem.
12:25He didn't evolve with the rest of the league.
12:27They knew what he was going to call.
12:28Then you turn around and throw a rookie in there that didn't have any reps.
12:31It led to one of the worst stats as a quarterback had in NFL history, which I did challenge you,
12:37lineman, to also say, you know, the rest of the spiel, which you didn't, still won't.
12:41But it's all good.
12:42He had a terrible line, terrible receivers, no quarterback.
12:45That was a rookie with no rest to come in and do any better than what he did.
12:48Quick question.
12:50Three and four is what he went, right?
12:52You've seen the two games that Kevin kind of threw.
12:55I mean, does that factor in?
12:57What if he would have went, you know, five and two?
12:58He threw the games?
12:59Well, yeah, when you run an end around and it touched three rookies' hands.
13:03Well, you can say he's stupid.
13:05You can say it was a game.
13:06Chuck, you can say it's stupid.
13:08Just be careful with the Malik Beasley stuff out there.
13:10Yeah, with all that stuff going on out there, Chuck, we've got to be careful how we say it.
13:13I get what you're saying.
13:14Go ahead.
13:15Go ahead.
13:15Okay.
13:17First of all, Barry loves this kid and definitely believes that he's going to be the French House quarterback.
13:23Let's talk about Munkin.
13:24He hired Munkin, brought him in.
13:25Munkin recruited Shadur twice at Georgia.
13:29Was trying to recruit him to be on the team.
13:31Also, for the Ravens, which Shadur passed up, now he's here.
13:35So, someone, I think you were just talking about common sense, Lima.
13:39It's common sense that all of the stars are starting to align and they made a clear runway for Shadur
13:44by getting rid of Pickett last year, by getting rid of Flacco.
13:48Which Flacco, the next game, went and threw for 500 on an offense that he's never been with, which tells
13:52you that the offense here was Vanilla.
13:55Okay?
13:56Well, by the way, sometimes Vanilla, honestly, sometimes Vanilla can be good for a young quarterback, right?
14:02I mean, yeah.
14:04I don't want to mix it up too much with young guys because, Chuck, I wish I could give you
14:08more time because I've got to bring Justin in here at 9 o'clock.
14:11The only thing I disagree with.
14:12I don't even disagree with much of what Chuck said.
14:14I really don't disagree with much of what Chuck said other than, like, I think Barry does like Shadur.
14:19I don't think he's willing to go as far as franchise.
14:21Same thing as me.
14:21I really like Shadur.
14:22I'm not willing to go that far because you wouldn't have traded Miles Garrett if you thought that he was
14:26the guy.
14:27Because you keep your greatest players.
14:28You don't just make the mix up to bring in other guys later on.
14:32So, that part I have to disagree with.
14:34But I would go as far as to say, yeah, Andrew Barry's got a guy in the quarterback room that
14:39could have a future.
14:40They're going to go ahead and they're going to try to see if that guy does have a future.
14:42And if he doesn't, well, they're going to go out and they're going to draft another guy.
14:45It's not where they're not – you know, I don't find it disrespectful to be looking at the 2027 class.
14:51I find it – I'm not going to say generational.
14:53I think we've tricked ourselves into that before.
14:55But, yeah, there seems to be a lot of quarterbacks in there.
14:57But just because I have it written down, and I do, doesn't mean I'm going to completely disregard our current
15:04quarterback room that we have now.
15:06I just only see one guy who I think I have any chance at any sort of a future with.
15:11I agree with you, by the way.
15:12I know that'd be shocking to people.
15:14Which is odd considering the way you talk.
15:15But, yeah, you ultimately agree with me in the end.
15:18Why is one of us getting cussed out?
15:20And it ain't me.
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