00:00why i think it frustrates me is we just continue to go to this like we even in what miles
00:06said
00:06like when miles was like well if you have a quarterback it doesn't matter and i said the
00:09vikings went uh nine and eight last year with the third worst quarterback room in the nfl
00:14i've even referenced the 14 and 3 broncos who had the 10th worst quarterback room in the nfl
00:20production wise so those are two options and miles's rebuttal is well yeah but what does
00:25that really do for you i'm sorry i i this to me that is an extension of the super bowl
00:32or bust crap
00:33guys we're not in the position to be there yet and honestly we weren't in the position to do that
00:40in 2021 when that was the biggest justification for running off baker mayfield we got impatient
00:47because we got two years into something and hadn't and then the organization allowed that
00:52used that as leverage to push out a quarterback that many people in this town loved so i just
00:59this i this idea here of eight and nine or nine and eight or seven and ten that that's not
01:04a real
01:04accomplishment a step forward no matter how you feel about these quarterbacks a step forward this
01:10year especially if it's above 500 that is a huge win for todd munkin in a battle for relevance in
01:17battle for keeping your job long term it definitely is i want to see the browns progress this season
01:23it would be so nice if they won eight games nine and eight would be a dream i know you
01:28keep referencing
01:28the vikings who obviously had the deal with jj mccarthy throughout all of last year but they still
01:34found a way to win games i would love a season like that especially a season like that in munkin's
01:39first year that puts to bed any type of debate that we could have in late december early january
01:45about a coaching change like if they're winning games they're not going to change the coach they're
01:49if they're winning games that means you've really found something here and that is what we all should
01:54want i just have a hard time pushing against somebody like miles who covers the league so
01:59so closely and it's and he does make the book like i was out there with you yesterday are you
02:05flip
02:05flopping again for the love of god i don't think either of these quarterbacks are good either
02:09i think that's really what i've you to say that's that's really where i've landed and i want to
02:14where was any of this yesterday by the way i i was watching it unfold what were you watching
02:20unfold the door through the first interception of that red zone period grant delpin tipped it in
02:27some defensive back that i was it was michael coach jr and that was his one negative play yesterday
02:31that i think that was his either first or second interception and they both thrown interceptions
02:35today already that are already out i can't i'm am i crazy here i just mac i know if anybody
02:41else
02:41that was listening yesterday you did not say any of this yesterday what didn't i say yesterday
02:47that the quarterbacks are crap no i didn't say that they're i don't think either of them are very good
02:53okay you didn't say any of that either yesterday what did i say yesterday like i didn't say the
02:58contrary i didn't say that shador deshawn are going to the pro bowl get your reservation ready
03:03super bowl week they play that pro bowl on tuesday now i think you were buying into the quarterback
03:07battle and then we had jim in strongsville and and then miles on and all of a sudden you're you're
03:14you're uh you're sorry towing the company line on uh the browns quarterback spot i think that's
03:19interesting no i've been pretty steadfast that i wanted them to upgrade the room nick in the off
03:24season i was there was a moment where i seriously had myself sold on ty simpson as a first round
03:29option
03:30like that's where i was with this thing well yeah but that's not where you were yesterday i think
03:33is what i'm pointing out if they start to sean watson i'm i'm going to be so apathetic towards
03:37the browns no i can't even i can't even really debate this with you no i can't even really didn't
03:42even try to debate it yesterday i think is the point they're not going if they start them they're
03:46not going to win as many games as you want them to bro i'm sorry you're full of i'm sorry
03:49the
03:49denver broncos you're full of crap denver broncos were a team littered with all pros last year
03:54they had six all pros don't have talent the browns didn't have the number one defense in the nfl last
03:59year did that not happen pros on the brown and then they lost the the number one defense by the
04:04way lost the guy that had 23 sacks all of those six guys were all pros last year uh for
04:10the denver
04:10broncos were they all pros the year before i'll answer it for you not all six of them so the
04:15point
04:15is the browns are a young emerging team it's not hard to see this and i get it it's easy
04:20to say the
04:21quarterbacks are crap teams every year win in spite of or at the very least because their quarterback
04:27doesn't screw it up and that's what this team's gonna have to do yeah no bleep no bleep so we're
04:33sitting here spending so much time arguing shador or deshawn because it's quarterback in the nfl what
04:38else are we going to argue you want to talk long snapper the truth of the matter is which by
04:42the
04:42way was one of the vikings all pros is there was their long snapper um might not matter a whole
04:48lot
04:48no that's might be debating quarterbacks at the end of the season i gotta be honest with you
04:52i'm not trying to like like combine is going to be the super bowl this year no that's a load
04:58of
04:59february that is a load of absolute crap i get it it is low-hanging fruit to say brown's bad
05:06at
05:06football this won't work out and i understand that if you do that historically you'll be right
05:11nine times out of ten but the point is they're not trying to lose right so for every fan that
05:19or
05:19or every media member that just wants to jump forward to 2027 because the all
05:25encompassing drug is oh next year's quarterback class guys there's 18 weeks to come and if you want
05:33to write them off cool i want to pledge right now from you that you won't flip-flop on deshawn
05:38watson or shador sanders if they've got a good four-week stretch i want it written and i won't do
05:42it i'm
05:43not gonna do it because i want you to start crap i want shador but he sucks i don't think
05:48that he
05:48sucks here's what i'm saying here's what i'm saying to you the head coach of the football team
05:52the head coach of the football team that is he stinks yes nick the head coach of the football team
05:57that you trust the head coach of the football team that you trust trust and touch said in india at
06:03the
06:03combine since we want to go back that far that in his dream world he would like to name a
06:08starting
06:08quarterback at the end of spring practices uh-huh spring practices come spring practices go
06:13browns can't name a starting quarterback because neither of these guys look very good by the way you
06:17You know he was talking about that in abstract, right?
06:19He wasn't actually putting a deadline on that.
06:21He was saying, in a dream world, in every generic quarterback situation.
06:26This is no dream world.
06:27This is the worst quarterback room in football.
06:30So bold.
06:31So bold.
06:32Again, yet, I did not hear that yesterday.
06:33That's why Vegas has this team at five and a half wins.
06:35I did not know that.
06:36We were in Berea yesterday.
06:37Is Vegas ever wrong?
06:40Does that ever happen?
06:41That's why all those buildings out there are really nice.
06:43Not rarely.
06:44When it comes to things like teams over and unders,
06:47again, they're very good at putting it,
06:49but they are wrong on that about as much as you can be wrong on it
06:52and still have those very nice buildings you're talking about.
06:55Very nice buildings.
06:56Very nice restaurants.
06:57But the point is, getting back to it,
06:59I want to hear that you're not going to flip-flop
07:01and be gung-ho on Deshaun or Shador if they've got a good four-week stretch.
07:05If Shador starts, I'm back in on this thing.
07:09I want Shador to be the starting quarterback here.
07:12So what I'm hearing is you don't have any faith or conviction on this,
07:15but you will be waving the pom-poms.
07:18Correct, because guess why, Nick?
07:19And act like you never said they stung.
07:20The Browns don't believe that he's any good.
07:22Do I have to say that out loud?
07:25There it is.
07:25The Browns don't think Shador's good.
07:27You could put aggregators take it.
07:29Nick Padone says on 92.3 The Fan,
07:32Browns don't believe Shador Sanders good.
07:33So that's why he's one of the guys starting?
07:35If they thought he was good, Nick,
07:37he'd be named the starting quarterback by now.
07:39That's not how quarterback battles work.
07:41Quarterback battles work.
07:43When you have two quarterbacks, finish the saying for me.
07:47When you have two quarterbacks, what did John Madden say?
07:49The old adage.
07:50When you've got two quarterbacks, you've got zero.
07:52Do you just spout generalities here?
07:54Because none of this, none of what you're saying,
07:56has anything to do to this quarterback battle or this team.
08:00And that's all anyone's doing.
08:02I've seen nothing.
08:02I've been a Browns fan since 99.
08:05I haven't seen a single.
08:06How is that lazy?
08:07That was 1999.
08:08Thank you for your sacrifice.
08:09Yeah, that was when my birth was.
08:12You're throwing out your generalities about,
08:15well, what did John?
08:16No, I don't give a rat's ass what John Madden said.
08:18What about this quarterback room?
08:20Can you win with this quarterback room?
08:22Probably not.
08:23Win by win.
08:23I'll even simplify it because winning is generic too.
08:27Can you win seven games with this quarterback room?
08:29Sure.
08:30Okay, there we go.
08:32But it would take Jared Verse doing what Miles Garrett did last year.
08:35It would take Jared Verse being a really good football player,
08:38which he's been in his career.
08:39It would take Casey Concepcion turning into,
08:41you want to keep throwing out, you know, Minnesota, Justin Jefferson.
08:44That guy's pretty good.
08:45I would say it's more Denzel Boston than Justin Jefferson.
08:48I hope Denzel Boston is Jordan Addison.
08:51I can't remember.
08:52Was Harold Fannin Jr. good last year?
08:53Was Quinshawn good last year?
08:55I can't remember those things because I only remember what the national media says about
08:59the quarterback room and about this team.
09:01I want the Browns to be good so bad, Nick.
09:03But I also don't think six or seven wins is really that good.
09:09Bull, listen, I'm going to tell you right now, six wins, fine.
09:12If they get to seven or eight wins, everyone here will look at this as a massive positive
09:17for this season.
09:18And they should, by the way.
09:19Seven wins, eight wins from where you were last year with, again, in your words,
09:25the worst quarterback room in the NFL, which that is the standard operating procedure
09:31on how people view this.
09:32Mike Sando.
09:33If you get with the worst quarterback in the room in the NFL, if you get to seven.
09:36Interview 50 league personnel.
09:38And they're wrong, too.
09:39You realize.
09:4050 people in the league?
09:41Yes, they are.
09:42I talked to NFL scouts.
09:44They said that Mark Jackson isn't a top tier one quarterback anymore.
09:46That's absolute hogwash.
09:48I don't think that is.
09:49I don't think Lamar's a tier one either.
09:51What about Pat Mahomes?
09:52I think Mahomes is tier one.
09:53Yeah, why?
09:54Because.
09:55No, no, no.
09:56Because he's Pat Mahomes.
09:57Yeah, oh, he is.
09:58How did he play last year?
10:00He was hurt.
10:00How many games did they win last year?
10:01He was hurt.
10:02No, he was hurt.
10:03He wasn't hurt before the injury.
10:04He wasn't hurt before the caca play.
10:07So it's interesting.
10:08Those same talent evaluators who gave Pat Mahomes a pass for a Peterland pass, rather.
10:17The Peterland pass.
10:17There we go.
10:18For three straight years of bad statistical play and one bad year on the field, wins and
10:24losses wise, they gave Pat Mahomes a Peterland pass on that one, saying he's still the best.
10:29The Peterland pass.
10:30Quarterback in the NFL.
10:31But Lamar, who had a better statistical season last year and won more games, suddenly is no
10:36longer a tier one.
10:37So again, infallible.
10:39It's not infallible.
10:40It's opinions.
10:41Same as you and I are doing.
10:43For sure.
10:44They're just elevated because they work in NFL franchises.
10:47I'm here to tell you, there are some real morons that work in NFL franchises.
10:51There are.
10:51There are some brilliant guys.
10:52We've covered plenty of the morons.
10:53There are some brilliant guys, too.
10:54But they do not get power when they're wrong.
10:57I'm sorry.
10:58I'm sorry.
10:58We have to put the proper perspective when they're dead-ass wrong.
11:01And getting back to it, it's not that this quarterback room is something I'm saying.
11:06I'm saying, yeah, sure.
11:08You want to call it the 32nd quarterback room in the NFL?
11:10I don't give a rat's ass.
11:11That's fine.
11:12That's how everybody agrees on it.
11:14But teams also overcome quarterback play every single year.
11:18But in Cleveland, it is quarterback bad.
11:20We must be bad.
11:21Because that's all it's been.
11:23That's all it's been.
11:24Again, a generality of the past that has nothing to do with this team, with this quarterback,
11:29with this culture.
11:30What do they say about history, Mac?
11:33Another generality.
11:34Tends to repeat itself.
11:35Any other cliches you'd like to just throw into this conversation?
11:38Their generalities and their cliches, because they're oftentimes true.
11:41And by the way, just because they're oftentimes true, doesn't mean they're absolute.
11:45Well, they've been true every year in my existence.
11:48That's not entirely true.
11:49I hope this is the statistical outlier.
11:50No, they had awful quarterback play in 2023, and they went to the playoffs.
11:54You can say that Baker was just okay in what was the Browns' best season,
11:58where they won 11 games and beat Pittsburgh in the playoffs.
12:00Okay, so right.
12:02Two statistical outliers in my life.
12:04I'm hoping for the third statistical outlier.
12:06My point is, you said every.
12:08You said it was right every time.
12:10Okay, so I'm 27.
12:13Oh, by the way, there were seven and nine in 2014,
12:16and that was after Johnny Manziel tanked the quarterback room.
12:19I'm not good at math.
12:20Three divided by 11%.
12:22A whole 11%.
12:23It's an 11% hit.
12:24You were speaking in absolutes, though, so I'm being a D.
12:262-1-6, 4-7-4, double-0-9-2.
12:2811% chance the Browns have a good year this year.
12:30Should we just ask the Browns to forfeit every game this year,
12:33because this is a futile exercise, and the media thinks,
12:37wow, what are we doing here?
12:38Where...
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