00:00So Zach said this on his pod yesterday.
00:02Now, when Zach joined us, we didn't ask him about it
00:04because we didn't hear anything.
00:07I know that you had said there had been some fans who had said
00:10if he don't get the start, he should demand a trade.
00:14Yeah.
00:14They're not happy.
00:16They think Cleveland has wronged him in every which direction.
00:19All right.
00:20But are you talking about real people,
00:21or are we going around and around on bots on the Internet again?
00:24What are we doing?
00:25I'm serious.
00:25I want to make sure.
00:27I don't think these are – well, it depends.
00:29Because I told you about the bot road I went down a couple of weeks ago.
00:33I went, these are bots.
00:34This is a bot.
00:35This is ridiculous.
00:35A lot of the same messages.
00:37Yes, yes.
00:38And I went, oh, okay.
00:39These are bots.
00:40But some of them have used a lot of our clips on their podcasts.
00:44That's fine.
00:45I don't know if it's fine with the Odyssey legal team, but I don't care.
00:49I'm not getting my lawyers involved.
00:50That's Odyssey's decision.
00:52As I always say, anything we can do to help put food on the table for the fans.
00:57Oh, you're nasty.
00:58And the haters alike.
00:59I don't know about the fans, but if you want to go after some of the podcasters,
01:03you go, that's your call.
01:05I'm not going to do it, but you go right on ahead.
01:07There's also some people in Colorado that they say they work for the radio and TV,
01:13and then I look them up, and I can't really find evidence of that.
01:16But there seems to be something that is a – there's more of that in Colorado than I've ever seen.
01:23I just can't explain it.
01:25I do a quick search.
01:26It says, oh, I'm on the radio team for their basketball.
01:28And then I look, and I can't find evidence of it.
01:30So I don't know.
01:31I don't know who these people are.
01:34Anything specific you want to get to there?
01:36Kind of like the guy in Kansas City who says, yeah, I've been doing radio for Kansas City.
01:40And then I texted Danny Parkins who did radio in Kansas City.
01:43Just going to get our grievances out, apparently.
01:44And Kansas City's like, I've never heard of this Darren guy, this Darren Smith.
01:47And I'm like, it says he does radio in Kansas City.
01:50I don't know if he buys time and does it that way.
01:53You can do that.
01:54You can broker shows.
01:55People have done that in Cleveland.
01:57I have things to do today.
01:59So I don't intend on looking at my phone later on and getting blown up for the rest of the
02:03day.
02:03Hey, it'll be a big legal day for you.
02:06I would love to go on your radio show.
02:07You just have to prove that you have an actual radio show for me to go on.
02:11I don't necessarily know what you're talking about.
02:13So I'm just going to ask you to put the safety on.
02:15I'll show you during the break, Ken.
02:16Okay.
02:17Do I really want to see or do I just not want to see?
02:20Because I'm not here the whole show.
02:22So maybe I'd just rather stay ignorant on this one.
02:27Anyway, Lord, Zach Jackson on his pod.
02:30What's the Zach Jackson pod?
02:31Zach Jackson and friends.
02:32Zach Jackson and friends.
02:33Okay.
02:33I subscribe, but I don't know the name of the thing.
02:35Zach Jackson and friends.
02:35I just called it the Zach Jackson show.
02:37So on Zach's podcast, Zach Jackson from the Athletic.
02:40This is what he opened up with last night?
02:42Oh, yeah.
02:42All right.
02:42Here we go.
02:43I find it comical that anybody would think there is any trade market for Shador Sanders.
02:48It was just 15 months ago that nobody took him for five and a half rounds.
02:51He came and he played.
02:53And did he play poorly?
02:54Yeah.
02:54Did he have a lot of help?
02:55No.
02:55Did teams just not want to take on this army of fans?
03:00Many, but not all of them, extremely delusional about where Shador Sanders is in his career.
03:05We don't know what he's capable of.
03:07We don't know where it will go.
03:08He does have a chance.
03:09I've been very open about that.
03:10I can assure you that there's no trade calls being taken or made for Shador Sanders for
03:15multiple reasons.
03:17And silly season, silly talk.
03:18I mean, that's silly talk Hall of Fame.
03:21So when I say I don't believe it, I believe what he's saying.
03:24I don't believe there's been calls to the team.
03:28I don't believe he's asked for a trade.
03:31I don't believe that there's been calls for a trade.
03:33I don't...
03:36I've been told none of that.
03:37Do you think he would ask for a trade if he didn't win the starting job?
03:42No.
03:43I don't.
03:45I think that a lot of...
03:46Maybe the fans would.
03:48I think that.
03:49I think there'll probably be some people that are on the internet that might go...
03:53I don't know if they're real, but I'd have to say that there'll probably be people on
03:55the internet saying that he should demand a trade.
03:58And I say no.
03:59I mean, good God, it's Deshaun Watson playing.
04:01He'll end up being the starter.
04:03That's how I felt.
04:04Okay, because we've kind of discussed this.
04:07You're going to get an opportunity here.
04:08I get accused of polishing a turd and saying, well, you'll just say whatever the Browns...
04:12No, no, no, no, no, no.
04:13There is a world here where it can be explained to me where, yeah, I want him to start.
04:18Why do I want him to start?
04:19Because I want someone young and more fun to talk about to start.
04:23We've been over that many, many times over.
04:24But I can certainly understand if Todd Munkin looks and goes, guys...
04:27And I've laid this out several times.
04:29I'll lay it out again.
04:30If Todd looks at us and goes, guys, he had a different offense last year.
04:33He started behind the eight ball last year.
04:35We've all been down that road in that story.
04:37He has a different offense this year.
04:39There's a lot to learn in a very short amount of time.
04:42I had to go with the veteran.
04:43I got to do what's right by my team.
04:44We have to get off to the best foot possible.
04:47And if he handles it the right way, maybe he'll get his chance to start.
04:50Now, you and I know from a 30,000-foot view, he'd probably start sooner than later.
04:54Because it's Deshaun, and none of us have a lot of faith in Deshaun.
04:57And none of us have any of the gathered media that came over to the OTAs and the minicamp and
05:02saw any of that.
05:03I mean, God, apparently he looked worse and worse as time went on.
05:07So, I think that Deshaun, yeah, if you want to start him, start him.
05:11But I don't think there should be any trades of Shador Sanders afterwards.
05:17He's the only one to kind of look forward to.
05:19I mean, Dylan Gabriel, you're not looking forward to him.
05:22No offense.
05:23Taylon Green, he's a non-conversation.
05:25I'd love to see him maybe argue about him being on the 53-man and how to use him and
05:30things like that.
05:31But I don't think there should be any conversation about trading Shador, nor do I think Shador, I think it
05:36would be a mistake to demand a trade if he didn't get the starting job.
05:41What would the market be?
05:42I don't know what the market would be either.
05:44Like, he was a fifth-round pick.
05:47He was a fifth-round pick, right?
05:49We all agree he was a fifth-round pick.
05:51You said it not me.
05:51Do we have to look that up?
05:52It's not my turn to get cussed up.
05:53Can you look that up?
05:54I think legally he was a fifth-round pick.
05:56Well, look, he wasn't a first-round pick.
05:59I'm looking right now, not a second-round pick.
06:02John, was he a third-round pick?
06:03No, he was in the fifth round.
06:05Maybe Jeff Thomas could tell me.
06:06He was in the fifth.
06:07He was a fifth-round pick.
06:08So if he was in the fifth.
06:08I know I'm not allowed to say that.
06:10They jump on you.
06:11Yeah, but if he goes out there and he throws for 5,500 yards and a bunch of touchdowns and
06:14wins the MVP someday, it's part of his story arc.
06:17Absolutely.
06:18They make documentaries about Tom Brady, about him being a sixth-round pick, guys.
06:21And what do they say about Brock Purdy?
06:23Mr. Irrelevant.
06:24And if he wins a Super Bowl, Mr. Irrelevant, just like you had Invincible, that's the name of the movie.
06:30So the reason I say it is he was a fifth-round pick.
06:33He played in seven games last year on a terrible team that did not do him any favors, did the
06:38opposite, right?
06:39I agree with the Shador fans on that.
06:42He was not put in any kind of great position last year.
06:46But given those seven games, I mean, you see where he is on all the charts.
06:50Made some nice throws in the Tennessee game when they were down two scores?
06:54Absolutely.
06:55Made some incredible escape plays.
06:58He was more mobile than I thought he was.
07:00But did he play his way up the value chart?
07:04To that term, I don't think so.
07:06I mean, I don't know why I would get rid of him for a seventh-round pick or a sixth
07:11-round pick or even a fifth-round pick.
07:12Now, if somebody were to call up and offer a second-rounder, I mean, what am I supposed to do?
07:17But if you're talking about what the value is, I'd rather just hold on to him.
07:21I'd be very disappointed if we found out he wanted to trade out of here.
07:26I think the priorities would be a little bit mixed up.
07:29Because the thing I do disagree with, and I disagree with Zach, and I disagree with Jason makes a big
07:33deal about it,
07:34I don't think teams are as enamored with his fans as what the media is.
07:39I think the media looks at their mentions, and they get all worked up, and they get bothered by it.
07:44I don't think teams feel that way.
07:45Now, that said, you're not trading for Shador Sanders.
07:51I would imagine you're not for him to start for your football team right off the rip.
07:55Okay?
07:56I know the Jets stuff over the weekend with Geno Smith.
07:59The Jets stuff is interesting, all right?
08:02But I don't think you're really trading right off the start.
08:05Well, did you see what was in the slop sink, by the way?
08:07Am I the only one who noticed what the hell was in the slop sink and what that looked like?
08:10I can't confirm, but it looked like a firearm to me anyway.
08:14Oh, boy.
08:14So, it's just not the place to keep a firearm, if you ask me.
08:18That's not right.
08:18Keep mine.
08:19That's me, okay?
08:21So, anyway, all right.
08:23Maybe the Jets, but what are the Jets going to give you?
08:26And is it worth it to get rid of a quarterback that did show some flashes last year?
08:32That's why I'm like, hey, man, you've been here for a couple years.
08:35You're going into year two.
08:36You've been here for a while.
08:37I don't think he's the type of guy that would demand a trade.
08:40And I think there's fans there would be calling us up and yelling, get him the hell out of here.
08:43Your city sucks.
08:44You guys suck.
08:45Your team sucks.
08:46Get my favorite quarterback.
08:47Yeah, there'd be some of that.
08:48But I think in real life, no.
08:50And I don't think that teams care as much about fan bases as what media does.
08:55But at the same time, if you're trading for them to come in and be a backup for your team,
08:59probably,
09:01it's the same adage with him as it is with everybody else.
09:03I mean, this is where your Tebow conversation gets mixed in, where I don't need a whole
09:07big firestorm of people talking about who trades for him.
09:11But again, who's going to trade for him?
09:13The Jets may very well be the only other option.
09:16But everybody else, like if the Chiefs were to trade for him, well, no one's going to unseat
09:20Patrick Mahomes.
09:21So you go into anonymity.
09:23If that's the case, so it's like, hey, just bide your time.
09:26Learn the system more.
09:28Now let me ask you this.
09:28Continue to go down the right path, and you're going to get your crack at it.
09:31This is a two-pronged.
09:32This is two-pronged.
09:34Okay.
09:34The first prong.
09:36What if they get Brennan Soresby?
09:37Poseidon over here.
09:38If they get Brennan Soresby over here, then I'm not doing the show anymore.
09:41Does that change anything?
09:43Yeah, obviously it would.
09:44Even if he, I mean, four-game suspension.
09:47I got to know, well, I got to know what the suspension is.
09:50I got to know everything else.
09:51All right.
09:52Second part of this.
09:52All right.
09:52Second prong.
09:53Would you like prong B?
09:55All right.
09:55Or prong two.
09:56Okay.
09:59What if they don't get Brennan Soresby, but you find out somehow that they bid on Brennan
10:05Soresby?
10:06Does that change any of the math?
10:08Does it change it for the Shador people?
10:10And I don't know.
10:11My guess is we won't find that out, but stuff does come out sometimes.
10:15I'm an emotional person, and I think you're being too emotional.
