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00:00I wanted to answer the question you asked right before the break, though, before we get into that.
00:04Do you remember the question you asked?
00:05I remember these questions, too.
00:06Do you remember that question that you asked?
00:08No, I do not.
00:09It had to do with the quarterback situation of the Cleveland Browns.
00:12You don't remember the question that you asked me?
00:14Boy, I have to write everything down for you.
00:16You're losing your mind.
00:17It's gone.
00:18Okay, well, to hell with it, then.
00:20That always makes sense.
00:21All right, so I've been wondering about this for a while.
00:24Here is Albert Breer yesterday on Afternoon Drive about this.
00:32I think it's an unrealistic scenario for a lot of folks, but let me throw it out there.
00:36Here's Albert Breer about it yesterday on, well, if you take you-know-who,
00:40because his name has become you-know-who in the supplemental draft,
00:44Brennan Sorsby, what it could free you up to do in the regular old draft coming up in 2027.
00:50What round do you think he'll actually end up going in the supplemental draft?
00:53Second, I think a first-rounder is probably too rich.
00:56I think if you're like the Steelers, you have to investigate it.
00:58Where are you going to be picking that high?
01:00And if you really think you've got a good team around Aaron Rodgers this year,
01:04and then you're not going to have a quarterback, he's already said he's retiring,
01:07you need to at least investigate.
01:09Now, they've got a crowded quarterback room.
01:11I think you get into the teams like the Jets, Browns, Dolphins, Cardinals.
01:15Those teams still have a little murkiness about their future at the position.
01:19And if you're one of those teams, why wouldn't you throw a second-rounder at that?
01:22Let's just say from the Browns' perspective,
01:24isn't it enticing the idea that if you flip the second-rounder for him,
01:28if you hit the next year, you can turn around and draft Jeremiah Smith?
01:32Next year's draft is loaded and not just a quarterback.
01:36In fact, I think most people would tell you at this point,
01:39the top prospects in the draft for next year are in other positions.
01:42It's Jeremiah Smith at receivers, Dylan Stewart, Colin Simmons at edge rusher,
01:46it's Leonard Moore at corner.
01:47Like, there are some really high-end guys.
01:50If you're one of these teams where it's like, well, we think he's got, like,
01:53a ceiling to be a top seven or eight quarterback in the NFL,
01:57and if we hit, that could free us up next year.
02:00And if we don't, we could still turn around and bend our first-rounder on a quarterback anyway.
02:04See, if you're taking Jeremiah Smith, because earlier in the interview,
02:08he also talks about the situation that would arrive with Brendan Soresby going to the NFL.
02:12And I thought that Albert made several great points.
02:15And if you want to listen to that again, I urge you to wait until 10 o'clock,
02:18because you must be hanging on our every word, or you shall be lost.
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02:286.48 and 11 seconds for those scoring at home is what Albert brought up earlier in that interview
02:35was a great point, where he had said that the NFL may set a precedent here where it's like,
02:39hey, you know, you can't just gamble a bunch on your college football team,
02:44and then you'll escape to the NFL and everything will be fine.
02:46So it sounds like there will definitely be a suspension of some sort.
02:49The issue is, and I love what Albert brought up,
02:52because I think he's the first person to bring it up.
02:54Is this a personal conduct?
02:56Yes, yes.
02:56Or is this, like, for substance abuse, because this is an addiction.
02:59What is this?
03:00He's admitted that this is an addiction.
03:01What do you classify this as if you're the NFL?
03:05But I'm making a long story, a short story long, and I should, let me clean it up for everybody.
03:11If you're taking Jeremiah Smith, that means you still had a bad season the year before.
03:16You got to have so much faith, because it's still, wide receivers can be really, really, really good,
03:24but how many frustrated, pissed-off wide receivers have we seen in our entire lifetime?
03:32Because their quarterbacks aren't good enough.
03:34Do you have any idea how much faith you have to have in Brendan Soresby, as of right now,
03:40to pass up on that draft class, where he may have not played very much,
03:44and if he played at all, maybe not have played very well.
03:48Do you know how much faith you have to have to pass up on those quarterbacks?
03:51Take Jeremiah Smith, like, we're all playing this out, best-case scenario.
03:55I think you need to work back a little bit, or work your way up to best-case scenario.
03:59Let's work from worst-case to most realistic, then to best-case scenario.
04:04Because we immediately think, well, we'll take Brendan Soresby, he'll be great,
04:07we'll get Jeremiah Smith, and we will just have championships falling out of our pockets.
04:11It's like, whoa, hold on here.
04:13Hold on.
04:14I'm not going to get a chance to see the guy very much, because what Albert says is right.
04:17Like, there's going to be a suspension.
04:19There will probably be a back-and-forth, there might be something that's negotiated
04:21between the NFL and with Soresby and his lawyers, the same way it was
04:25in other situations that Albert had laid out there.
04:29And I think that that's a great, novel idea.
04:31I just don't think it's very realistic, because if you're taking Jeremiah Smith,
04:34you're probably drafting somewhere between third and sixth in the NFL draft,
04:39and there you may still be in quarterback mode.
04:42So, it's interesting, you have been looking at a lot of quarterbacks in kind of worst-case,
04:49kind of scared.
04:50I'm not trying to be scared, I'm trying to be realistic here and guard against silly,
04:54stupid stuff.
04:55I totally understand that.
04:56The silly and stupid stuff part is very interesting to me, because what could possibly be considered
05:02silly and stupid for a team like the Browns, that we're all in the same boat, and yeah,
05:07there's some other teams too, but, and there are levels to not having a quarterback, right?
05:12Like Atlanta, does Atlanta have a quarterback?
05:14Well, they have, does Kevin Stavansky have one?
05:17They have Michael Penix.
05:19They went and got, um...
05:21They have Tua.
05:21Yeah, they have Tua.
05:22Like, do they have a quarterback?
05:24No.
05:24Most likely not.
05:26No.
05:26But I think they at least...
05:27Some people say they're quote-unquote soft tanking.
05:30Yeah, I've heard that too.
05:31I've seen that too.
05:33Kevin's, you know, arguably been a part of that before.
05:35Right.
05:35Right, should know how to traverse those waters, but what I'm saying is clearly everybody is
05:40saying, well, the Browns don't have one until they have one, and yeah, if Shador, I know
05:44anybody who's a Shador fan listens to this, they do not want the Browns to go after Brendan
05:50Sorsby, but if you're an objective observer, you're most likely saying the Browns probably
05:56don't have their quarterback, and you probably bet against it, and I even wonder, would the
06:00Shador people bet on the Browns having their quarterback?
06:03And if you don't, then instead of having to devote a first-round pick to Sorsby, what
06:10are we mostly hearing?
06:10Second or third?
06:11I've seen some say fourth.
06:13Pete Futech said fifth.
06:14Oh, a fourth round.
06:15What?
06:15Pete said fifth.
06:16Yeah, I thought he said fifth.
06:17All right, fourth or fifth.
06:18I got no argument.
06:19Go right on ahead and put the bid, and that's fine.
06:21I don't give a damn about that.
06:22But if we're talking second-round picks, see, this is where I think it costs you even more.
06:26You have to have such a blind faith.
06:28Are we going to take Brendan Sorsby out of the supplemental draft?
06:31I'm being honest.
06:32I'm going to ask you guys.
06:33Do you guys really have fancy to take this guy out of the supplemental draft?
06:37This is not a defense of any quarterback that we have right now or a thing to have that
06:42guy go into 20-27.
06:44Do you really believe it's going to work out this way, that you will see enough Brendan
06:48Sorsby, you will believe that they love Brendan Sorsby enough, that you can pass on one of
06:53those quarterbacks for a wide receiver?
06:54Because we've had great wide receivers before on this football team.
06:57We had arguably a guy who could have been the greatest ever on this football team.
07:01They won four games in his best season because our quarterback play sucked out loud.
07:05And you're taking a guy, if you take a fourth or fifth-round guy, guys, I have no argument
07:09for that.
07:09It's not anti-Brendan Sorsby no matter what.
07:12But when you're telling me second round, that means you have a lot of faith in this guy.
07:18Because they had a lot of faith in Josh Gordon.
07:20It'd be the highest since Josh that was ever taken.
07:22And Josh's talent showed you why he just couldn't keep his head on straight because of all the
07:26other stuff.
07:27Now we have another situation here.
07:31If you're taking him second round, you're not going to get to see very much of him.
07:35If you don't get to see very much of him, you're going to trust the Browns and just move on
07:39into next year and pass up on all these possible QDs.
07:43Kenny, I don't trust the Browns for anything.
07:44That includes not taking Brendan Sorsby.
07:46I don't trust them no matter what they do right now.
07:48They have not earned that.
07:49Yes, they've drafted a little better.
07:50So have they earned a little more trust where they've been working on Brendan Sorsby?
07:54See, I've been told this is not something they just started working on.
07:57They have put the same amount of time into Brendan Sorsby as they would every player a year
08:01before.
08:01How could they not?
08:02I mean, they took Joe Royer for crying out loud.
08:04Everybody's making that connection, and it's true.
08:06Yeah, so the trust thing doesn't matter to me because they're a losing team.
08:11They're a losing organization.
08:12They're a losing team.
08:13They've been that way for a long time.
08:14There's nothing they can do.
08:15If they decide not to go after Brendan Sorsby, I equally don't trust that as well.
08:19So that has nothing to do with it for me.
08:21What I'm saying is they took Dylan Gabriel and then, sure, whatever, but they took Dylan
08:26Gabriel, and they did it on the normal timeline, on the normal everything.
08:32They had him in-house.
08:33Like, what's the difference between doing that and using a second supplemental pick,
08:38and maybe he's suspended for four weeks, but he's in the building.
08:42What's the difference?
08:43One mistake, a terrible mistake, because it was a third-round pick.
08:46That's a terrible mistake.
08:47That guy could play for us.
08:48This guy's got way more talent than Dylan Gabriel.
08:49I don't want to use that as a reason to compound and maybe make another mistake, because to
08:53me, if you're giving up a second-round choice for this guy, it's not just a second-round
08:57choice.
08:57I think that they will tear up the sheet going into next year, unless you go out, and he
09:02goes out in the facility, and we just see him, and he just can't play the position.
09:06Well, I can't imagine you'd give up a second-round choice for a guy who can't, quote-unquote,
09:10play the position.
09:11So he might entice you just enough to pass up on a 2027 draft class, because I'll tell
09:16you this, and I know we've got to go.
09:18You're going to have guys.
09:19He will come to Cleveland, and he will slip in an anonymity, because you will see other
09:23guys play, because they'll probably have to serve as suspension, and we'll talk about
09:26it, because we're in Cleveland.
09:27But that whole time, Dante Moristar could rise even more.
09:31CJ Carr.
09:32Jaden Maiava.
09:33A lot of people are excited about the kid out of USC.
09:36Like, there's a lot of different names that are going to be out there, and you'll pass
09:40them up, because you gave up the second round choice in the supplemental draft.
09:43I totally, I know we're running out of time.
09:44I totally disagree.
09:45I don't think that taking this quarterback means they're definitely not going to take
09:49a quarterback to follow.
09:50You brought up second round, and you said you wouldn't, you wouldn't stop that from you
09:57taking a quarterback.
09:58It's not a disqualifier.
10:00Let me say this.
10:01Especially if the coach gets fired.
10:02That is in the realm of possibility.
10:04Well, don't, don't, don't do that.
10:08Don't do that.
10:10Let's operate as if Todd Munkin's going to have the job for years and years and years
10:14until he doesn't have the job.
10:15All right?
10:16Because I just don't like the vibe that sets.
10:18Hate it.
10:20Don't like it.
10:21And I like Todd Munkin, and you seem to like him too.
10:25So let me bring this back.
10:27It is not without the realm of possibility.
10:29I think that's absolutely on the table, that they could give up a second round choice in
10:33the supplemental draft for Brendan Soresby, and then turn right around and draft a quarterback
10:37in the first round.
10:38I just don't think that they would really, I think it's on the low end of the possibilities
10:42of them doing it.
10:43Because if Andrew's still here, Andrew sees every quarterback as currency.
10:46That's why Dylan Gabriel's still on this roster.
10:49They'll probably work out some sort of a trade for a seventh round pick, swap, whatever.
10:54He'll probably, I got to take a look at their picks, but you know, this will happen during
10:57training camps.
10:58Somebody will go down, and not that he's going to be made a starter somewhere, but
11:02he'll send, he'll probably just trade his ass in value.
11:07Let's get a sixth or a seventh round pick.
11:09I send you a seventh and Dylan Gabriel.
11:12Like, that's what he does.
11:14So it's not out of the realm of possibility that they were just to take Brendan Soresby
11:19in the second round of the supplemental draft, or with a second round choice.
11:23It's a blind draft situation, blind bid situation.
11:25You give up your second round pick, you bring in Brendan Soresby, but I think that the fan
11:30base is going to look at this and go, okay, then he slips into just hearsay.
11:34Like, you'll hear reports of what Mary Kay Cabot says.
11:37You'll hear reports of what Daryl says about seeing him in the building and working out
11:41in the building.
11:42And then, of course, before even that, whether or not he's even allowed in the building.
11:45We got to get that part figured out.
11:47Is it, Albert Breer brought up a great question yesterday.
11:49Is it personal conduct, or is it, is it addiction?
11:53It is addiction, but are there addictions, or do they specify in their agreement with
11:57the players, is it a specification of addiction like in gambling, or is this a substance abuse
12:03issue?
12:03Is this treated the same way?
12:05That's for Brendan Soresby's lawyers and the NFL's lawyers to figure out, because
12:08Albert had also said, and it's a great point, you can't just let this kid come into the
12:12NFL scot-free.
12:13You cannot do that and just say, hey, bet on whoever you want in college.
12:17You'll just come to the NFL and everything will be fine.
12:19So he'll pay a fiddler of some sort, it's just how much will he be out?
12:23And then you have to ask yourself, are you going to see enough of him?
12:26Because, yeah, if I got a great player, like Brendan Soresby, if I thought Brendan Soresby
12:31was a great player, and I got him, and then I can get Jeremiah Smith, yeah, we're laughing.
12:36But how likely is that, Tone?
12:39How likely is that?
12:40Because if you're getting Jeremiah Smith, you're still probably drafting third to six in
12:44the draft.
12:44And if you're drafting third to six in the draft, yeah, Dante Moore's probably off the board,
12:48Archie Manning's off the board.
12:49This is obviously all of June 17th.
12:51Things change.
12:52But, okay, how much do you like Jaden Maiava?
12:55Do you like him?
12:56And I know that not a lot of people know who he is right now.
12:59You'll probably know a lot more about him coming up by the end of December.
13:02You'll know more about CJ Carr, and you'll know more about Lenora Sellers.
13:06I'm sure there's going to be, you know, Josh Hoover, Darian Mensah, who, one of those
13:12guys is going to shoot up the board there in the first round.
13:14Like, it happens every year.
13:15And here's this guy who's just been working with the Browns privately or might have appeared
13:21in some games at the end of the year, and I got to make a decision on my franchise and
13:25my own well-being as a fan to say, yeah, we're good with Soresby.
13:30Let's go get Jeremiah Smith.
13:32And it's fish in a barrel because he plays at Ohio State.
13:35But we've had great wide receivers here before, and we've watched them basically waste their
13:39time because they haven't had good quarterback play.
13:42You know it, and I know it, and you've seen it.
13:44Yeah, now the thing is, and Breer went over this yesterday on the afternoon show, is how
13:48much he's going to be allowed in the building during a suspension.
13:50Let's say he gets suspended four games, but it's, you know, between, again, it's the personal
13:56conduct policy, Breer said, or what?
14:00There were the two...
14:00The substance abuse of personal conduct.
14:02And if it's substance abuse, they let you in the building because it's almost like they
14:06have sympathy and grace and they want you to...
14:09Yeah, got to be around people who are supporting you.
14:10We can debate whether or not that makes any sense, whether that's logical, but if that's
14:15the case, he's in the building all year, gets suspended for games he was never going to
14:19play in any way, and then halfway through the year they start him.
14:22I mean, the Giants decided in working with Jackson Dart, now they fired their coach and they
14:28had all the injuries, and they had a mess on their hands too, and he didn't win a ton of
14:32games.
14:33And he made a lot of mistakes and suffered the concussions, but they clearly saw enough
14:39in Jackson Dart to say, yeah, he's going to be our starting quarterback going forward.
14:43We're going to build around him.
14:45Now, who knows if that lasts through this year, but they decided that.
14:49He had a full season.
14:50But at the same time, he didn't start from week one.
14:53It wasn't like he...
14:55Remember, there wasn't really a fair competition or anything for him.
14:58Was it Tyrod Taylor who was the starter before him?
14:59No, Russell.
15:00Was there Russell?
15:00No, it was Russell.
15:01That's right.
15:02But the Browns, they had Chidor in the building all year.
15:06He started seven games, and they still traded Miles Garrett.
15:09Because why?
15:09Because we don't think they think that the quarterback of their roster is on the roster.
15:14I would imagine the Giants would probably still feel the same way.
15:17But as I threw in your face yesterday, it's very easy in this last draft class in April
15:23to pass up on quarterbacks where it's one is argued whether or not Ty Simpson deserves
15:28to be where he was drafted.
15:29And there was Fernando Mendoza at number one.
15:31But they weren't saying that a year ago.
15:32They were not saying that.
15:33No, they weren't.
15:33No, they weren't.
15:34They thought there'd be quarterbacks available last year.
15:352-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
15:37Where the hell's my mouse?
15:38There it is.
15:39Let me get to...
15:41Let me get to Jeff and Clee.
15:43No, Brett and Madison.
15:44They want him right at the top of the list.
15:45Sorry, Jeff.
15:46Hold on there.
15:47Brett, go ahead.
15:48Okay, so if you had a second-round pick, would you use that to get Johnny Manziel?
15:54No.
15:55No.
15:55Would you take that second pick and use it to get Josh Gordon?
15:59Right now?
16:00No, but I would have at the time.
16:02No, no, no.
16:02Okay, so you wouldn't do that now.
16:04Would you take that second-round pick if you were in baseball and take Class A?
16:08No.
16:09No, I wouldn't.
16:10Okay, so why would we take a second-round pick and pick Source?
16:12Well, we're desperate, and a lot of us...
16:15No, we are not desperate enough.
16:16There's enough quarterbacks coming out next year.
16:18Well, you asked.
16:20I was giving you a reason.
16:21Well, hold on.
16:21Class A should not be lumped into this conversation.
16:25Why not?
16:26Because Class A did things that were categorically illegal.
16:29That's true.
16:30Well, at least right now they're still trying to sift through that.
16:32He's alleged to have done some categorically illegal.
16:35Hold on.
16:35Hold on.
16:36Hold on.
16:37Here we go.
16:37The betting that Soarsby did, and obviously I think it's important,
16:41he's going to be eligible in the NFL.
16:43Class A is not eligible to play baseball right now.
16:46You're also talking about Johnny Manziel.
16:48That's right.
16:48As the guy, we know how his career panned out.
16:51We don't know how good Soarsby is, for better or for worse.
16:54He hasn't played down in the NFL.
16:56As a prospect, right now, he is thought to be a very legitimate prospect.
17:02Had he gotten to play this year, he might have been able to play his way
17:05into the first round as a prospect.
17:06We don't know.
17:07But right now, they'll let the market play out.
17:10Brett has given you a worst-case scenario, and I kind of like it.
17:13We've seen what happened with Class A, okay?
17:19Now, what's going to say that we are going to get that with this kid?
17:23I know people can change, but let's play the odds.
17:28The odds are we've seen the trouble that Manziel had, but we took him anyways.
17:32And what happened?
17:33It bit us, okay?
17:34And then what happened is Josh Gordon had some troubles, but we took him
17:38because what a great talent he was.
17:40And he could have been in the Hall of Fame.
17:42Easily.
17:43Okay?
17:43And so addiction is a terrible thing, and I feel for those that are caught
17:49in addiction.
17:50But, man, that is too much of a gamble.
17:52That second-round pick that we were giving up for Soarsby could be used on
17:58alignment or something like that to help build depth or something on our line,
18:02which is, to me, more important than dealing with somebody that has a bunch
18:05of personal issues.
18:06And I think I'm with you.
18:07That may come and bite us.
18:08Yeah, I think I'm with you.
18:09But I do remember this, Brett, and thank you for the call.
18:11I do remember last week when we got the Class A thing brought up.
18:15I'm like, well, he was actually – he's in trouble for conspiracy to fix.
18:18Like, there's – as far as I know, there's nothing in Brendan Soarsby's
18:21history that says that.
18:22Yeah, legitimately 15, you know, instances of games.
18:24That's why one could go to prison.
18:25We have not – we don't have concrete allegations about that.
18:28I do think it's important.
18:29Peter Lynn brought this up yesterday, and you pour through the case.
18:32Look, there's a lot of bad there.
18:33There's no doubt.
18:34You're talking about Soarsby or –
18:35When Soarsby, when he was 18 years old, right, when he was not really playing.
18:39I mean, they threw him in some games.
18:40When he was not playing is when he bet on his team the most.
18:43And then last year, their allegations – or it's from two years ago, right?
18:48Not even last year.
18:49There really isn't anything from last year.
18:50So, I mean, he might – the case could be made that he's a year away
18:54from doing a lot of the bad stuff.
18:55He's already been on his recovery – road to recovery.
18:59Who knows?
18:59If you know addicts, you know that's a struggle.
19:02That could be a struggle for a long period of time.
19:03It could be a struggle for the rest of their life.
19:06Gambling is kind of a newfangled thing for a lot of people.
19:08Yeah, but I don't like to throw it in somebody's face.
19:10If I knew a guy who was an alcoholic and he's been sober for 10 years,
19:13I'm not going to sit there and call him a drunk to his face all the time.
19:16I mean, that's terrible.
19:17So, a guy, if he was a gambler and he's a 10-year recovered gambling addict,
19:23that's unfair to throw it in his face.
19:24I don't disagree with anything Jeff said at the end of his call.
19:26It's a risk.
19:27It's a risk.
19:27It's a risk.
19:28100% it is.
19:29But he said, you could use it on alignment.
19:31We've just learned over this window of the Cleveland Browns,
19:34nothing matters until you get the quarterback.
19:36That's the only reason we're talking about Soarsby.
19:38And it's the only reason we're talking in desperation about a guy
19:41that could be facing NFL suspension that we come in
19:44because we know it doesn't matter if you don't have a quarterback
19:46and you have all these fancy offensive lines.
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