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00:01Ravens got Diego Pavia. Can they handle Diego Pavia?
00:07I'm still a little shocked we didn't draft him.
00:12That's the least shocked I've ever been that we didn't draft him.
00:14What? This team?
00:15Come on. We're not taking Diego Pavia.
00:18Wait, wait, wait. Kenny, you're being serious?
00:20Andrew Barry's in charge now, buddy.
00:22It's no longer Paul DiBodesta and his weird things that he's got going on.
00:26And you're saying Jimmy wouldn't have made a call?
00:28I don't know if Jimmy would have made a call.
00:30Not for Diego Pavia. He didn't play at Tennessee.
00:32He played at Vanderbilt. That's a rival.
00:34You think Jimmy Haslam likes a 5'9 rival quarterback?
00:37I can't believe Ken Carman, of all people,
00:40after experiencing the last however many years that Jimmy Haslam and his team
00:44didn't think that Diego Pavia...
00:46Because you know what? Now we're all about the orange dots?
00:49No, I'm just saying...
00:51Everything's changed?
00:51Even if you thought Jimmy would step in and make that pick,
00:54which I have before about other QBs, obviously.
00:57Even if you did think he was going to make that pick,
00:59it doesn't make any sense.
01:01Why would he want a 5'9 quarterback?
01:03That's exactly why it makes sense.
01:05No, it doesn't.
01:06That's why.
01:07Because it would have been inexplicable.
01:09No, you don't know the...
01:12See, this is why you've lost yourself with the common fan.
01:14You don't understand how the common fan thinks.
01:16You think that the common Tennessee...
01:18Well, I should say that I think there's a building named after the family
01:22for crying out loud, so they're not a common fan down there.
01:24But you think that people who are big Tennessee fans like Vanderbilt,
01:28like anybody who went to Vanderbilt, like any quarterback who went to Vanderbilt
01:32and would insist on drafting the guy at 5'9"?
01:35Are you new to Jimmy Haslam?
01:37No!
01:38Oh my God, I can't believe...
01:39He's a Tennessee guy!
01:40Are you new to college football rivalries?
01:42It's not.
01:43These guys play for 30 teams now in their college career.
01:45There's no rivalry with where they went to school.
01:48He took Vanderbilt to a different level.
01:49They don't even take classes at these schools.
01:51Am I wrong?
01:51Tell me I'm wrong.
01:52I'll drop it if you say I'm wrong.
01:54It wouldn't be like Jimmy Haslam to take...
01:56Not him.
01:57It wouldn't be like Jimmy to take a guy like Diego Pavia
02:00who shoots at the hip at all times?
02:02You were at one point one of the biggest Oklahoma fans ever.
02:06You know rivalries.
02:07Yes.
02:08And you'll be again.
02:08I know because you've got time to watch college football again.
02:10There you go.
02:11Back in it next year.
02:11So tell...
02:12Come on.
02:12Tell this idiot he's wrong.
02:14So I'm just trying to decipher all the information that we have.
02:18I went and looked up the score of last season's Vanderbilt-Tennessee game.
02:23It finished 45-24.
02:25It was dominating.
02:26By Vanderbilt, Diego Pavia.
02:29I don't know that Jimmy Haslam...
02:32You can look at it two ways.
02:34I don't know if he looks at that and goes,
02:36well, we've got to have that guy.
02:37He beat my team.
02:39Or if he goes, there's no way in hell I'm going to bring that guy in.
02:43We've already got a five-minute quarterback.
02:44He doesn't like...
02:45You don't think he'd like the defiance and the moxie of Diego Pavia?
02:50No.
02:51The soundbite?
02:53No.
02:53The just daily soundbite?
02:55You're new to how Jimmy does things around here?
02:57Running the risk of having his mentor, Johnny Manziel,
03:03even anywhere near the facility.
03:06Anywhere near the facility.
03:08No.
03:09He's not going to do that.
03:11You're saying he's learned.
03:12He actually has learned behavior.
03:13Well, I told you this a million times.
03:14You didn't disagree with me at all when I say they always try to correct their mistakes.
03:18Sometimes they just overcorrect them.
03:19I laid it all out for you yesterday.
03:222013, what they do in 2013, they had a new general manager and team president.
03:26They punted on that draft in 2014.
03:29Then they fired Lombardi and Banner, and they didn't even get the draft in 2014.
03:33They could have fired Andrew Barry last year and the year before that,
03:36and nobody would have batted an eye.
03:38Nobody would have batted an eye.
03:39And I don't think you have the top-rated draft had you had fired Andrew Barry last year.
03:44You might have lucked your way into what we call the top-rated draft,
03:47and it takes a little bit of luck.
03:48I mean, Emmanuel McNeil-Warren falling to you at 58 is a little lucky.
03:52Okay, that's true.
03:53But you're not getting the type of draft had you had fired Andrew Barry.
03:57You have to have your people in place.
03:59They have tried to learn from their previous mistakes.
04:02I'm saying he's been here long enough, Kenny,
04:05that the overcorrection to the overcorrection would get him right back to square one.
04:09He ain't taking – no.
04:10They're not taking – I'm telling you right now.
04:13It's true.
04:14If you turn around and then you turn around again, you're right back where you were.
04:16Yeah, right back to where you were.
04:19Yeah, but if you keep turning around, you keep going to different places, right?
04:23Are you going left the whole time?
04:26Well, you don't get it right.
04:28I mean, it is his birthday.
04:29Not today.
04:30Not today.
04:31You can do it tomorrow.
04:33You could have done it yesterday.
04:34Not today.
04:36Stop laughing.
04:37It ain't funny.
04:38No, I'm not.
04:39That's not –
04:40That's a Carmen family hero.
04:41You stop it now.
04:42Would never.
04:43Would never make fun.
04:46Tomorrow, you can do it again.
04:47Today's his birthday.
04:51216-474-0092.
04:52I don't even know why I'm throwing out the number.
04:54Don't call.
04:55Don't call.
04:56Don't call the show.
04:59Damn it.
04:59Stop laughing.
05:01All right.
05:02Albert Breer was on afternoon drive yesterday, as he's wont to do on a Tuesday.
05:07And Albert was talking about Andrew Barry, the same Andrew Barry you and I were just talking about.
05:11And, well, whether or not Andrew Barry's image has changed over these past two drafts,
05:16here's what the survey said from the author of Monday Morning Quarterback.
05:20This is his seventh draft, I think, which is wild.
05:22Makes me feel old.
05:23But, you know, I think what you learn looking at, like, his draft history, and I don't think
05:28he's the top of the league at it.
05:29But I think everyone has their eps and flows when it comes to this stuff.
05:32And they're good years and they're bad years.
05:34And they're able to execute the trade, which I think you guys would agree that they really
05:38need a volume of young people.
05:39It wasn't just one guy that was going to put anything over the top.
05:43What we need is just build up the base and the foundation of our team.
05:46So they were able to do that and getting it right on Carson Swessinger and Mason Graham
05:52and Quinshawn Judkins and Harrelton.
05:54And, like, I think regardless of how you measure that against the rest of the league,
05:58that was a really good draft.
06:00And, you know, now you hope that Fano and Concepcion at Boston can add to that.
06:05If you come out of this with eight good starters, I mean, now you're a completely different
06:10circumstance than you were a couple of years ago.
06:13He's right as rain.
06:14More on that, 92.3thefan.com.
06:16Albert Breer on with Afternoon Drive yesterday, as he usually does every Tuesday or maybe makes
06:21it up another day, but still comes on every week.
06:23I think he's right about that.
06:25It's interesting to see.
06:26But I said this yesterday.
06:28I go, there's not a lot of trust that Andrew Barry has within the fan base.
06:30But if you had fired him last year, you wouldn't, I mean, you would have probably liquidated
06:36these picks, except 2027 is a great draft.
06:38So you would have been probably trying to trade back and trying to trade back and trying to
06:42trade back and just kind of punting on this draft because you would have went from 13
06:46months of work probably to three because you have a new general manager.
06:49And you said this yesterday, and I agreed with you, that a new general manager is going
06:52to come in.
06:53You might keep the staff for the rest of the draft period.
06:55Yeah, they typically stay for that.
06:56They're not going to really, they're not really going to trust the staff because why did they
06:59have to fire the general manager then?
07:01You wouldn't have had this type of draft.
07:04Now that being pointed out, as many did, they still haven't hit the field yet.
07:07All right.
07:07Well, I can only go by what I know.
07:09And what I know is that from their own words, yeah, I was counting the first four guys as
07:14starters for you.
07:15Spencer Fano is going to start week one.
07:18Casey Concepcion is going to start week one.
07:20Emmanuel McNeil-Warren will probably be a starter for you.
07:22And Denzel Boston is going to be a starter for you.
07:24And they're talking tough about Parker Brails for being their center week one.
07:28I mean, that's a fifth round pick for crying out loud.
07:30Now, because he's a fifth round pick and start week one, you kind of hold your breath a little
07:33bit.
07:33But I mean, good God, you find five starters who contribute out of that draft, out of that
07:37draft, that draft this year, if they finish around 500, close to it or over it, that's
07:46it.
07:47That's it.
07:48That's interesting the way you phrase that.
07:49He has totally, not totally changed.
07:51He has almost totally changed his reputation.
07:53There's still the, there's still a situation with Deshaun Watson that ain't no one going
07:56to forget about.
07:57So I'm not going to say that's totally changed his reputation, but he has somehow got this
08:01boat off the bottom of the ocean floor.
08:04Go ahead.
08:04I obviously, I was in agreement with you.
08:07Up until what?
08:09Thought this was a really good draft.
08:10Um, but then the way you kept talking about it, about all, I talked, I talked my, I talked
08:15you out of it.
08:16Well, there's think about all the young guys they had, um, from last year's draft that
08:20played immediately.
08:22And now this year you just said, how many starters could be five?
08:27Oh, they'll have some struggles.
08:28And when you tell me five guys from one of the worst drafts in 25 years are starting on
08:32your football team, I don't know if that makes me as confident about the organization
08:37and the team.
08:37I understand that.
08:38And you and everybody else are going to dunk on me.
08:40I get that.
08:41But what did I just say?
08:42I'm not dunking because I said it was a good draft.
08:43Oh, so you laughed why you said it for no reason?
08:44No, I said it was a good draft.
08:46But, but that does kind of tell you about the state of affairs of your football team
08:51that if all these guys from a bad draft, that probably would not have been first round
08:55picks in next year's draft or even the previous year's draft, if they're already starting for
08:59you, man, what did they do to the roster?
09:02They, they gave up three years of first round picks because they made one of the most irresponsible
09:07to say, excuse me, not only the most irresponsible decision in sports history, but it's not only
09:12the lack of those first round picks and even some seconds.
09:14And it's that, what did you do in roster building with everybody else with all the other moves
09:19that you, this team has made more moves and they're the most expensive roster over the
09:22last, how many years in the NFL?
09:24Well, Jed, we're going to use that against the Cavs.
09:25Are we allowed to use it against the Browns?
09:27Yes, you absolutely can.
09:30I didn't say he's out of the woods and he's, and he's God's gift to the football because
09:33this team, they're still rookies.
09:35They're still young.
09:35So if they're starting and they're contributing, I said, remember, I said, if you contribute to wins,
09:39you can go out there and be a two win football team with a bunch of rookies and still
09:42have some guys that look good.
09:43It's the NFL, there's going to be talent on every roster.
09:46But if you were going out contributing and you finish somewhere close to 500 or even over
09:52500, yeah, you got to give credit where credit's due.
09:56And now if they finish close to 500, like I'm getting myself to a point here with this team.
10:01I like George Warhop.
10:03We'll see where this goes.
10:04But I can already, I can see myself, I'm not willing to say it yet, guys.
10:08I'm willing to see myself saying at the beginning of the year that you see this roster, you see these
10:14players here, they should do this.
10:17What is this?
10:18Seven wins somewhere in there.
10:19And then as the season goes on, you could come to a realization where we could start seeing it.
10:23I can't say it yet.
10:24They haven't even hit the field yet.
10:26But you could go at it and say, they got the right QB, or more than likely, they didn't.
10:31They still don't.
10:32And you could say, man, they won this many games and they still need one more piece.
10:38I trust, and that's a tough thing to say,
10:42I would be willing to look at and say, do I trust Andrew Barry to go out and find the
10:47most
10:47important piece again?
10:48Because if you're able to find these guys, clearly you've learned from your mistakes.
10:51You can make mistakes as long as you learn from them.
10:54You weren't able to in previous Browns iterations.
10:57You've made mistakes over seven years.
10:59Can you learn from them and then find the guy to help this football team?
11:02Because if you're winning seven games this year, that means your quarterback play could not
11:06be very good.
11:07But if you're winning seven games, that means, good God, we got Casey Concepcion's a good
11:11player.
11:11Denzel Boston's a good player.
11:13This offensive line has been better than any of us thought it was going to be.
11:16I was wrong because I'm worried about free agents over here, but George Warhop's done
11:19a great job.
11:20You have this defense.
11:21They feel they're ready to go.
11:22I think that they've really resented the offense over the last couple of years because they've
11:28done their job.
11:29The defense has.
11:31Again, I'm not breaking any news.
11:33They think they're a lot closer to being a competitive team than what any of us feel.
11:38They feel they're close.
11:39We did say that last year.
11:41I don't remember saying it last year.
11:43Oh, Jimmy Haslam got.
11:43No, he might have said it.
11:45We played that audio a bunch.
11:46He was expecting way back.
11:47I mean, the coach got fired.
11:49So, but I mean, pretty clearly.
11:50I don't remember saying it.
11:51I don't remember thinking it.
11:52We were there that day.
11:53I actually feel it there.
11:54Were we there?
11:55Yeah, we were there that day.
11:56Where were we?
11:56That Jimmy talked at training camp.
11:58We were there that day?
11:59That's right.
11:59We were there that day because it was hotter than a bastard outside.
12:02And you, me, and DeJuan Jones were sitting there.
12:04We were like, turn that fan on us.
12:05It is hot.
12:06Real hot.
12:08Sweat my ass off that day.
12:09Sweatting like we were on death row.
12:11So, let me ask you.
12:12Is your, are you, you've been down on Barry.
12:15I've been down on Barry.
12:17I can see a vision here.
12:19Now, we both like Andrew as a person.
12:21Ain't no doubt about that.
12:22So, that helps it.
12:23Are you coming around back on Barry again?
12:25Yeah, I mean, it's all, it's all looking better and better and better.
12:30These last two years with the drafts.
12:32There's no doubt.
12:34Got to win.
12:35Got to win.
12:36I know that.
12:36What will this mean?
12:38Got to prove it.
12:38I mean, with that schedule, with those drafts, that defense, and Miles Garrett,
12:44if he's still on the team after June.
12:46The big asterisk, we've got to keep pointing out.
12:49I'm worried.
12:50If he's still there, like, there's no reason to believe this team can't win more.
12:54If he's not on the team after June, then this thing's dead in the water,
12:56and he might as well pack his boxes.
12:58He's done his work, but I can't imagine him staying if he had to trade Miles Garrett,
13:02because then people are going to be mad.
13:03But if this is a team that gets to that level, I could see myself going,
13:09okay, I know you've made a horrific mistake.
13:12But remember, when they went out and they got Deshaun Watson,
13:15I didn't want to take him.
13:16I didn't think he was that good.
13:17I didn't think he'd be anywhere near this bad.
13:19We argued that until the cows came home.
13:21He's been horrific for this team.
13:23But if you get to that level where it's like, hey, we've won seven games.
13:27We've won more than what we thought we were going to win,
13:29or we won eight games even.
13:31And you can say whatever you want to about the schedule.
13:33It would be tougher in 2027.
13:34I got that too.
13:35But if you went out there and you won close to 500,
13:39why would I get rid of Andrew Barry now?
13:41Why would I get rid of Andrew Barry now?
13:42The team's clearly better.
13:43Who picked the team?
13:44How many free agents have we got over the last couple of years?
13:46Would you question some long-term planning, though?
13:49Because this kind of is a bad year to be in the middle.
13:52It's not a great year to be in the middle.
13:53I understand that.
13:54But it could end up being a better year to be in the middle than we realize.
13:57Like, yeah, you might not get Arch Manning,
13:58but it's not a one-quarterback draft.
14:00No.
14:00No, that's true.
14:01So if you're in the middle, hey, I can make some moves
14:02and go up for God knows who.
14:04If you love that guy, like, say people –
14:08Dante Moore, say he goes out and has a good season.
14:11I'm always worried because now we're looking for the bad parts to him.
14:14Sure.
14:14Because now you're staying around for another year.
14:16Like what happened with Matt Barkley, what happened with Drew Aller,
14:19what happened with a lot of guys.
14:20Gary Nussmeyer, Cardell Jones.
14:22We start to look for the bad things.
14:23Justin Herbert stayed for another year.
14:25He ended up being really good, but we were just staring at all the foibles
14:28because you stick around too long, then we start to talk ourselves out of it.
14:32You spend too much time on the car lot,
14:33but you're going to start to talk yourself out of things.
14:36And I could see us trying to talk ourselves out of Dante Moore,
14:38but if he ends up having a great season and our team is under .500,
14:42but these guys look good, Swessinger has another year, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,
14:46yeah, you could say, yeah, let's squeeze that trigger.
14:48And hell, if we have such young players, we have such young talent,
14:52and we're close to .500, you want to dig into 20, 28,
14:55go out and get some – go up in the draft and go out and get that guy?
14:58Again, you ain't going to get Arch Manning at number one
15:00because he's going number one overall.
15:02But it doesn't mean it's a one-quarterback draft,
15:03and they're still going to be going there, Hills.
15:05So you could go out and do it.
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