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00:00You're telling me nobody really cares about the Brendan Soresby thing now?
00:03Wow.
00:04Excuse me.
00:04You're telling me no team cares about the Brendan Soresby thing now?
00:07Because I have evidence to the contrary telling me that the Jets are like,
00:12nah, we don't really want to be in that business.
00:14Yeah, this was so...
00:15The Jets, Anthony.
00:16It's the Jets.
00:17And that's a team that should absolutely be interested.
00:20Okay.
00:20Which makes me think they're 100% interested based on how the format...
00:25Oh, wait a minute.
00:25You're telling me that I'm getting played in a game of poker here.
00:28Yeah, anybody that says they want nothing to do with this,
00:31they're only doing that because of the format.
00:33I think today's the day he officially has to declare if he hasn't already.
00:35Well, wouldn't that be something if he just didn't declare?
00:38I don't declare.
00:39I do declare.
00:39I don't declare.
00:40Or I don't.
00:41All right, so obviously going into the weekend,
00:44we had both Jeffrey Kessler, his lawyer, go on a radio show.
00:52Did he call him a man of God as well?
00:53He didn't.
00:54He didn't bring up the going to church every Sunday.
00:57He goes to church every Sunday, and he likes his mamaw and his peepaw.
01:01So apparently everything's fine.
01:03We don't got to worry about any of it.
01:04Don't you worry, guys.
01:05I heard from Kessler.
01:06I heard from the agent.
01:07I felt bad because Kessler went on with two guys at the ringer, Van Latham,
01:13and I'm not sure who else.
01:14Love Van Latham.
01:15Maybe Tate.
01:15I can't remember Tate's name.
01:17But anyway, he went on with those guys, and he steamrolled them because they...
01:21Van Latham's story about his father finding the $600 in charges...
01:25He has a lot of great stories.
01:26...is one of the greatest stories I've ever heard in my life.
01:28But this is amazing.
01:29Or read in my life, I should say, for that case.
01:31Kessler is a trained professional who is one of the best,
01:34one of the most expensive lawyers you could ever have.
01:37And he's going on with basically podcast bros.
01:41And he's like, well, actually, here are the facts.
01:43Here are the facts.
01:44Like, this is my job for a living.
01:45So I kind of felt bad for them.
01:47Well, no one's going to outwit Jeffrey Kessler.
01:48No.
01:49And so I heard Kessler, and then I heard his agent as well.
01:53And, of course, that is decidedly a very biased point of view.
01:58I was going to say.
01:58But then I...
01:59Found the very best people to speak on his behalf.
02:01But then I read...
02:02So I'm convinced.
02:02I read through everything that was made available, and I'm like, oh.
02:07Oh, I think a lot of people are getting played.
02:09I think this was the Big 12, the rival teams,
02:12who obviously were unified in not wanting to see Brendan Sorsby at Texas Tech this year.
02:17I think they were the ones that made this crime against humanity.
02:21This is sacrilegious that he would ever be able to play.
02:25By the way, I agree.
02:26He shouldn't have been...
02:27He should have been suspended for college football.
02:29Like, I totally understand that there were rules that were violated here.
02:34But I don't think it was nearly as bad as what people...
02:38People made it out to seem like he was fixing games.
02:41Like, this was the Black Sox scandal.
02:43No, but Anthony...
02:43And I'm like, holy cow, this wasn't even close to that.
02:45It's the thought that he could.
02:47It's the thought that he could.
02:48It's the fear that he could.
02:49You could do a lot of things.
02:50And there are a lot of current professional athletes with apps on their phone right now
02:55that could do a lot of things that also wouldn't interfere...
02:58You know what?
02:59...and meddle with actual results.
03:00But listen, I'm not going to get down to McCarthyism here
03:03and start to try to find different players that are fixing games
03:06that are possibly doing this stuff.
03:08But now that we know that, yes, he did gamble on the games
03:12and he's talked about gambling on the games
03:13and that there's an addiction to gambling that he's admitted to,
03:16whether you want to say it's a ploy for the NFL or for college football or not,
03:20he's already admitted to it.
03:21So I cannot sit here and just act like none of this is a big deal
03:25when it's a big deal.
03:26And I really don't like some of the loaded language that's out there.
03:31And I'm not blaming Albert and I'm not blaming Pellicero or any of those guys.
03:34But when people are hearing, when they're hearing top five,
03:38remember, it's top five possibly in 2027.
03:42Next year if he has a great season.
03:43It wasn't in April, guys.
03:44It wasn't in April.
03:45If he was top five in April, he would have just came out for April.
03:49That's the difference.
03:50There were plenty of guys who went into their final year who could have been top five.
03:54But when people are hearing this and going, Kenny, you're making a big deal about a guy
03:56who could be a top five.
03:58No, no, no.
03:58Listen to yourself.
03:59Could be a top five.
04:00He would have been this year.
04:01Not will be.
04:02Had he been in the draft this year, he probably would have gone.
04:06Day two is what Dane Brugler said to us on Thursday.
04:09It could have gone third round.
04:11But guys, it could have gone third round that our quarterbacks go second round.
04:13You know how it works.
04:14Well, I'm not saying he couldn't have been a second round choice in this draft.
04:16He certainly could have been a second round choice.
04:18I'm just trying to clarify here for everybody that when we start to get these conversations going
04:23and people start thinking pie in the sky stuff, it's not slam dunk first round top five.
04:28If it was, he would have been in the NFL already.
04:30It's not.
04:31So I don't know exactly what we're getting.
04:33And if you want to sit there and tell me about the coaching in the NFL, I'll tell you
04:37about the cavalcade of losers that have coached for the Cleveland Browns in the last 26 years
04:41that I always can't guarantee.
04:42So there's a whole lot here that gets me going on this.
04:45And when I hear about the Jets not wanting a piece of them, which, you know what, is a
04:49great game of Liars poker and what you're saying over there, that's fair.
04:52But when I hear the Jets aren't really interested, I'm going, well, then, I mean, the Jets are
04:56as desperate as anybody over there for crying out loud.
04:59Shouldn't they be interested?
04:59Well, I said, if we're going to act like we're interested or not interested, what the
05:02hell?
05:03I said the Steelers should be interested.
05:05Filippone, who we've been texting, goes, oh, this has been a non-story up here.
05:08I'm like, really?
05:09All you guys want to do is...
05:10Apparently it was a big deal on Friday in their defense.
05:13Yeah, you know why it was a big deal on Friday?
05:16Because we talked them into it being a big deal on Friday because they weren't doing
05:20their job.
05:20I didn't know what the hell they were doing.
05:22No, Pony was...
05:23Yeah.
05:23Pony's Pony.
05:24The whole point here is that most of what he's being accused of happened when he was
05:31the fifth, sixth, or even at one point, seventh quarterback on the Indiana roster in his
05:37freshman year.
05:38Listen, that doesn't wash with me.
05:40And it wasn't like, it'd be one thing if he were making $50,000 bet.
05:45He was making $3 bets, $4 bets.
05:47So to act like he was using all the inside information to get rich and to compromise the
05:54results where Vegas would take the bets off the board, like, that wasn't happening.
05:58Did he?
05:58He was betting, like, you and I would bet on watching our buddies in order to hold on,
06:04that, like, you and I were watching our...
06:06Like, we did this.
06:07We watched our buddies simulate Madden games, and we were betting $2 and $3, like, we were
06:12betting beers at night at four kegs in Columbus.
06:15Or did he not?
06:16That's what this is akin to.
06:17No, it's not.
06:18It is.
06:18Because you can't tell me he didn't know the difference between right and wrong, and
06:21he knew that what he was doing was wrong.
06:22And Baker Mayfield knew the difference between right and wrong when he fleed a cop in a wrap.
06:27Wasn't he allegedly dropped when he fleed?
06:29So maybe he didn't know as much of the difference of right and wrong.
06:31This guy did this sober, apparently.
06:33We didn't take Baker Mayfield off the draft board when that happened.
06:36No, we didn't.
06:37But Baker Mayfield, at that time, was arguably a top-five pick, and he ended up being a top-five
06:43pick.
06:43But at that time, he was a top-five pick, ended up playing for an entire year after...
06:47Which speaks more to character.
06:48...ended up playing for an entire year after that.
06:49What?
06:50Of those two situations.
06:51...knowingly breaking the rules, sober?
06:53Okay, so Baker gets a pass.
06:56I didn't say Baker got a pass.
06:57He should have sought counseling.
06:57Baker didn't get a pass.
06:58But you would have laughed had he had entered himself into drug and alcohol rehab.
07:02We'd be having the same conversation that we're having now.
07:05Do you trust this guy with your franchise?
07:07Because that's the conversation that needs to happen here.
07:09But to sit there and just be like, oh, nice.
07:12He's still an adult.
07:13But he wasn't on the travel team.
07:15Come on.
07:15What world are we living in here?
07:17Have some accountability for adults for crying out loud here.
07:19And it was also 40 years ago.
07:21I don't care if it was four years ago.
07:23How many things were adjudicated four, five, ten years ago?
07:25But I do think you can go through some maturing.
07:28What's the statute of limitations?
07:30What's the statute of limitations on your trust as a Browns fan?
07:34Considering as we've sat there and made every comparison to the old Browns team all the time.
07:37I don't trust any of the guys in the room right now to be the future signal caller of the
07:40team.
07:41But what I'm saying is it also happened three and four years ago.
07:44If it happened two, you'd throw the book at him.
07:47Okay.
07:47But since it was three and four, everything's fine.
07:49Go ahead and play.
07:50I think when you're 18, you do stupid things that maybe you wouldn't do when you're 22.
07:54I think there's a big learning curve there.
07:56What's the difference?
07:57And I think there's a huge level.
08:00Is there?
08:01No, no.
08:01Everything until they're 25.
08:04Hell, go crazy.
08:06Use it as a giant rump springer, guys.
08:08It was funny.
08:09There's no personal accountability for you.
08:11No responsibility.
08:13Not until you're 25, guys.
08:14The two radio guys that had, this was actually hilarious.
08:16I told you to listen to this.
08:18The two guys that were doing the radio show with his agent, the agent kept calling him kid, kid, kid.
08:22And then they were calling him a kid.
08:23And they got all this blowback in Dallas.
08:25All these people were like, kid.
08:27He was, when you're 18, you can sign up for the military.
08:30And then the one guy that hosts the radio show goes, I wouldn't leave my kid home alone for a
08:34weekend at 18.
08:35He goes, I wouldn't trust that the place would still be standing.
08:38Like, there is a difference between 18 and 22.
08:42Just because your kid is a goofball at 18 doesn't mean that I should trust my football team with a
08:48guy who did something stupid at 18 years old.
08:51I just can't believe you would never make this amount of excuses for a lot of other guys.
08:57What is it about this guy that makes you want to make these excuses?
08:59Because to me, you're making it out to be, his agent has made it out to be, a complete lack
09:07of accountability.
09:09And I just don't care for it.
09:12I think we were fed by Big 12 teams a false story.
09:15I'm no longer affiliated with anything in the Big 12.
09:18So you can't even do that.
09:19I just have never seen a story where, I remember when Dan Wetzel came out with it, we were like,
09:26oh my god, the tentacles and the dominoes.
09:28Like, guys are going to jail.
09:29And it's like, oh no, he was betting $3 on Turkish basketball.
09:33Like, he was fixing games.
09:35No, he wasn't.
09:36No, he was not fixing games.
09:38Like, we tried to make this seem probably because it was in the vast wasteland of a time of the
09:44year where not much was going on.
09:45And we tried to make this as if, could there be cartel and mob ties?
09:50No, he was betting $2 on the UFC and tennis and Nathan's hot dog eating competition.
09:55He was making proxies for it.
09:57It wasn't like he didn't know what he was doing.
09:59Because he got locked out of his account.
10:01And he knew what he was doing was wrong.
10:04And that's my issue with it.
10:06Do I think that you should, and again, it's never come out of my mouth that he should never play
10:11football ever again.
10:12We agreed he should have been suspended for college football.
10:15And it's whether or not you trust him with your organization.
10:19And I, frankly, I really don't.
10:21And I don't know what he, there's nothing he can do to make me say, yep, you're the guy.
10:28And we should give it up next month for you and bring you in.
10:32Like, there's nothing there, Anthony.
10:33By the way, we're both arguing against the brick wall here, man.
10:36You're consistent because you wanted nothing to do with any of the quarterbacks because you apparently think our room is
10:42so awesome.
10:43I don't.
10:43You didn't want to go after anybody.
10:45I don't want to go after the next guy.
10:46You didn't want to go after Malik Willis.
10:47I mean, one by one, Ken shot down every potential quarterback.
10:50Because I want the right guy.
10:51Because our room is so awesome, apparently.
10:53By the way, what are the Dolphins doing?
10:55Are the Dolphins getting ready for the 2027 draft?
10:58They are?
10:58Okay.
10:59Like, I know they're going to take a flyer on Malik Willis.
11:01I'm not interested in taking flyers on just about anybody.
11:04If I'm going to take a flyer on anybody, I'm going to take a flyer on somebody who's already in
11:07my QB room.
11:08And that's the way it's going to go.
11:09I'm not trying to look for the next guy.
11:10Which is considered the worst quarterback room in the NFL.
11:12Yes, I understand that.
11:13You've thrown that in my face many times.
11:15And I get that.
11:16And I've never disagreed with you.
11:17We just need to find a way for Ken to ever actually like a quarterback.
11:21Well, you're going to have to find a guy that I actually like.
11:23Because you keep giving me the problem, children of the NFL.
11:25We've been doing this together for a long time.
11:28And damn it, you remember what we were yelling about in 2017?
11:30Who ended up doing champion's pose on that?
11:33And by the way, that guy's in our QB room right now.
11:35Which you just called the worst in the NFL.
11:37So maybe you should listen to me a little bit.
11:39And maybe my cautious nature at times when it comes to QBs.
11:42Because we would just apparently try out bad rooms every year.
11:46I haven't found that one yet.
11:47And by the way, it wasn't like I've been right about all my fears when it comes to the QBs.
11:53We had Josh Allen's coach on with us, who was a personal friend of ours.
11:58And the guy was telling us point blank, sending us tape.
12:01A Josh Allen from college.
12:02And I kept going.
12:03Now, not interested about that.
12:05And now everybody thinks I want a Mitch Trubisky, which I didn't in that draft.
12:09So yeah, there's a lot of guys I say no to.
12:10I want the right one.
12:12I want the right one.
12:14And yet, like, even Cam Ward I wasn't even worked up about.
12:17So yeah, you're right.
12:18But when I see you just going after every Tom, Dick, and Harry that's ever played the position.
12:24Just because, well, they're not in our QB room.
12:26That to me is not an answer.
12:28Admittedly, yes.
12:29I do want to find a solution at quarterback.
12:31I am guilty of that.
12:32I'd like to find one.
12:33That'd be nice to have.
12:36Maurice in the Bay Area.
12:38You're next up on the fan.
12:39Hello.
12:41Tom, what's up?
12:42What's up, kid?
12:43Hi, Maurice.
12:43Go ahead.
12:45I mean, again, John heard me.
12:48Tom, you need to, I mean, can you, you're on the right path today.
12:51I don't know what, what's in your coffee, but Tom, we got to stop with the, with the, with
12:56the false narratives.
12:57And like, can't say, why are you making so many excuses for this dude?
13:02You guys, you guys want to say that the dude only bet while he was at Indiana.
13:06Is that true, Tom?
13:07I said bet on his own team when he was at Indiana.
13:11I understand.
13:11I'm saying, did he make bets while he was at Cincinnati or Texas Tech?
13:15Oh, yeah.
13:15Yeah.
13:16Yeah.
13:16Oh, I don't know about Texas Tech.
13:18He wasn't really there.
13:18I don't know.
13:19I don't know when, when he started his counseling and everything.
13:21I'm saying since he's been enrolled there, since he's been enrolled there, they said he's
13:25made bets there.
13:26Otherwise he wouldn't have to go to rehab.
13:28He, why do you have to go to rehab?
13:30You and I both know, you and I, you and I both know why he went to rehab.
13:33He was trying to actually become eligible for the season.
13:35Thank you, Tom.
13:36So, so, so what I'm saying is, is like I told John, we need to stop with the rhetoric.
13:40I get you one, another quarterback and this, that, and the third, just like you and Ken
13:44was just talking about.
13:46And Ken wants to go about it.
13:47I think the most, he wants to champion pose on you again.
13:50And so the best thing.
13:52He wants somebody in 20, he wants somebody in 2027.
13:54I'm not trying.
13:55He's not, he's not vouching for anybody here in the room right now in 2026.
13:58I mean, I'm, I'm willing to give those guys a chance, but I mean, Maurice, I've been
14:02on the record a million times over.
14:03I don't think that any of these guys are the franchise quarterback for the Browns, but
14:07I'm not going to, but I'm not going to force it with somebody else.
14:11I'm not going to force it with somebody else.
14:12You guys got the quarterback.
14:13You guys are going to play and the man plays well for you guys.
14:17Will you guys just stop after this year?
14:19Who's that?
14:19Who's that quarterback?
14:20Who's the quarterback, Tom?
14:22Who's the one I'm asking you.
14:23Who's the one?
14:24You know who it is.
14:25This is Shador Sanders.
14:25He will be your quarterback.
14:27That would be great.
14:27Hey.
14:28According to Chad Ochoa Cinco.
14:29That would solve more problems.
14:30You want it Malik Willis.
14:31You want it, you want it, you want it Anthony Richardson.
14:34And AB, who's been cooking, has said, no, no, no, no, no.
14:38No.
14:39All right.
14:39Maurice, I got to let you go.
14:41I appreciate you guys.
14:42I thank you for the call.
14:42AB's been cooking up trades to get rid of our best players.
14:45It is 4 a.m.
14:46That's what he's been cooking.
14:48Maurice is on one today.
14:49No, I, I, listen.
14:51I understand that it's, it's much easier.
14:54This is the same thing I do when people go, oh, the Browns are going to be terrible every
14:56year.
14:57Well, you really stuck it over the fence, didn't you, huh?
14:59Well, you really got him.
15:01You could use the same thing with me when it comes to QBs.
15:04I know that I've been very chicken little over just about every QB out there, but damn,
15:11the ones that I've picked that you've tried to talk me into, I ended up being right about.
15:15And it's very, very, very easy to say, you don't like any of these guys.
15:18It's hard to stand up there and stump for guys, but damn it.
15:22When you say it so often, when you like Anthony, when you like this guy and that guy and this
15:26guy and that guy over the course of 10 years.
15:28And I'll make basically all those guys have turned into failures.
15:32Like I want it to mean something.
15:34If I'm out here going, damn it, I want this QB.
15:38I want this guy.
15:39I want it to mean something.
15:40Cause if you're just saying yes to every QB, I think it may, I think it means less.
15:45Well, yeah.
15:45It's almost like dating.
15:46You got to put it in, in some perspective though.
15:48Like I, I'm not sitting here saying Sorsby is a hundred percent the answer, but I, I'm saying
15:54that yes, this could be a chance to get somebody on a huge, huge discount that you would, that
16:00you would likely, if he would have gone, okay, back to school and played on a loaded team.
16:06Remember people forget that they act like Sorsby came out of nowhere.
16:09No, he was the highest paid free agent quarterback this year.
16:13I know it's weird talking about free agency in college, but that's what it is.
16:16There's a, there's a reason that teams were lining up to pay him.
16:19Texas tech had some of the most money in college football.
16:22And they said on our loaded roster, that's the quarterback.
16:25So had he have gone there and had a good year, it's a bunch of, a bunch of ifs, then
16:29yes,
16:29he likely would have been a top.
16:30And if he played well, yeah, of course he would have been a top five in pick.
16:34And then it's like, well, are you in position to even get him?
16:37And I, and I also in this situation, you could have had him and then still had your number
16:43one overall pick next year, which could have been very valuable.
16:45Maybe you could have got the best wide receiver or the best pass rusher.
16:49In a perfect world.
16:49These things would all be true, but now you wouldn't get any of that.
16:52If, if, if he would have gone back.
16:54And I also want to know, because there still seems to be something fishy to me is that I'll
16:58say this, Ron Slavin, I know I can't sit here and debate with you about stories, because
17:01again, this is two brick walls yelling at each other.
17:04Neither is going to penetrate.
17:06Now I've had to question your conversation about it.
17:10And I'll tell you why, because you've always brought up Pete Rose and it's like, well, I only
17:14did this.
17:15And then some years go by, well, I also did this.
17:18And what I want to know is Ron Slavin, his agent on that station in Dallas was so concerned
17:27with bringing up Cincinnati.
17:30And I do probably think that Cincinnati might've got a little bit pissed off at him and decided
17:34to go, well, you know what?
17:36We're going to let a few things out there that might come out.
17:37And that could have preceded all this happening.
17:40Didn't Sores be going to rehab, admitting the problem, the whole thing, big 12 on big
17:4612.
17:46They're both in the conference.
17:48You see what's going on right now.
17:49Cause remember Texas tech was standing firmly behind him.
17:52And he's saying that Cincinnati knew these things he's going after.
17:55So I'm like, well, did he stop at Indiana?
17:58Did he continue at Cincinnati?
18:00Because why does Cincinnati hold this over his head like this?
18:04Why is Ron Slavin saying all this stuff?
18:05And I put the Pete Rose theory and going, okay, so apparently I'm told he supposedly
18:10stopped while he was in Indiana.
18:12Didn't do any of it at Cincinnati.
18:14Okay.
18:14He didn't do any of it at Cincinnati, but why Cincinnati may, why am I starting to get
18:19weirded out about Cincinnati?
18:20And why is his agent always throwing Cincinnati under the bus here?
18:23Like something ain't adding up.
18:24And because it doesn't add up, it makes me not just makes me just not want a part of
18:28any of it.
18:28Think about it.
18:29They're in the same conference now.
18:30Like they are, they are motivated to trash him out the door and Texas tech.
18:34They were doing, this is the thing about his character.
18:37I have heard so much about how this is actually worse, not in real life.
18:43Like gambling is not worse than domestic violence, but in the realm of on a football team.
18:49And I understood the argument until I, until I saw what was actually, what, what's actually
18:54been proven, what he's admitted to.
18:56And it was no, in my opinion, it was nowhere near as bad as people were making it seem because
19:02these other big 12 teams were doing everything they could to throw him under the bus.
19:06And yet I noticed this happened over the weekend.
19:09What would happen if he was truly compromising the locker room and he was truly with his
19:14actions compromising that covenant that is made between player and team?
19:20Cause we heard a lot about that with, with gambling, right?
19:22Cause it would undermine, it would undermine the, the, that, that nuclear build of a football
19:28team.
19:29What has not happened over the last weekend?
19:32Nobody's came out and said, no, no ex teammates have been like, wow.
19:35Had I have known this, we would have gotten into a dust up in the locker room and Texas tech
19:39has totally stood by him.
19:41And you know who else?
19:41Kirk Signetti came out and said, no, he's, he's a first round talent.
19:45And there's nothing there character wise, like nobody in his past, people that would be
19:50motivated to say terrible things about him, even anonymously never happened.
19:55So that's why I said, oh, this, you know what this is big 12 rival teams just didn't want
20:00him to play, which I understand.
20:02I totally get it.
20:03Well, Kirk Signetti doesn't have to worry about him, but I don't think Kirk Signetti is going
20:05to sit there and say all these things.
20:07Cause I think he wants people to move right along and not have anybody looking into Indiana back
20:11in the day, because that would still be a violation of some sort.
20:13Not that he was a part of it necessarily, but it would still be a violation of some sort.
20:17I'm just waiting for somebody in his past to say major character concerns.
20:21Haven't seen it.
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