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00:00Albert Breer has dropped a bombshell of an article.
00:03Lima was going through it a little bit during about last night.
00:07We will have Daniel Yafusi joining us at 9 o'clock.
00:10Now, you know Albert comes on every Tuesday.
00:12He was on earlier this week, but there's an article here
00:15that is some really strong stuff from Sports Illustrated.
00:18Lima, I know you parsed through some of this stuff.
00:20There's a lot of questions I think we have to ask
00:22about how this trade went down.
00:24He takes us inside how the trade went down.
00:27There's a lot of stuff in here. Go ahead.
00:28There's all the background you could ever want
00:30and that's why we love having him come on the station
00:33on afternoons, weekly, throughout the year
00:35because he clearly has more of a nuanced understanding
00:39of this deal and let's be honest,
00:41if you've heard Albert Breer over the last six months
00:44to three months, I mean...
00:45He's been a little coy.
00:47I think he kind of knew, right?
00:49You could listen to him and he never shot the trades down
00:53and if anything, after every time he came on,
00:55I was like, Miles is getting traded?
00:57Anyway, he had these details that Garrett's exit meetings
01:01with the Browns aren't the same as with other players.
01:03Talk about the end of the year, you know,
01:04those famous exit meetings that they'd have.
01:07The 30-year-old is a limited partner brand ambassador
01:09for the Cavs and has shown an interest in investing
01:11similarly in European Soccer Club.
01:13He very clearly has an understanding and a passion
01:16of the business and of sports.
01:17So much so that the end of last year,
01:19Garrett would meet with Barry on Tuesdays
01:22and Barry would take him through roster planning
01:24to show him how teams are really put together.
01:27So Tuesdays with Barry, apparently,
01:30you know, in the offseason.
01:32And then he said, as such, his meeting
01:33at the end of 2025 with Barry, as it is every year,
01:36dove into the team's plans for the year ahead.
01:38Barry laid out free agency and the draft would look like
01:40how the Browns planned to address their holes
01:43and this year how they'd attack their coaching search.
01:45This year, unlike last year,
01:47when Garrett asked to be traded,
01:48it was full speed ahead for both the team
01:50and its star player as because the team
01:53and their relationship with Garrett Handley
01:55at the end of the partnership
01:55was always going to be a crucial piece of the puzzle.
01:57So what do you make of that, Kenny,
01:59that he's saying full speed ahead?
02:01How long ago was it when they were meeting with each other?
02:03Was this before he signed a long-term deal?
02:05Was it right after he signed a long-term deal?
02:07Were they doing this during 2024?
02:09Is that in the article?
02:10This says at the end of the 2025 season with Barry.
02:14At the end of just this last year?
02:17Yeah, yeah, the end of the 2025 season.
02:19So they've been meeting on Tuesday?
02:20Yeah.
02:20What, through Zoom?
02:22Yeah, probably.
02:23Since, you know, he's not in Berea at all that much.
02:25But yeah, they're having those meetings.
02:27They're talking about roster construction.
02:29And so, to me, it kind of reinforces...
02:32I thought it was during the season.
02:33I beg your pardon.
02:34Well, to me, it kind of reinforces, Ken,
02:36that he didn't have to ask to be traded this time around.
02:39Right?
02:39Like, we wondered, did he quietly ask
02:41because he didn't want a PR hit again?
02:43No, it was just obvious, right?
02:44They're talking about the offseason.
02:46They're talking about the runway for a rebuild
02:49and a pivot from their current, you know, their core.
02:54And I think it becomes obvious, does it not?
02:56Like, I don't think Miles is blindsided by this at all,
03:00is what I'm saying.
03:00Like, he didn't have to stand on the table and go,
03:03I want to be traded again.
03:04Like, they already knew what he thought the year before
03:08and what had changed.
03:10Another bad season.
03:10Were they any closer to having the quarterback in the future?
03:13No.
03:14Because I thought at first when you told me this,
03:17because I haven't got a chance to really look through it
03:19just a little bit here.
03:20When you told me that they were meeting together,
03:23I wanted to know if that was after the 2024 season.
03:26I'm like, oh my gosh, he's asking for a trade publicly
03:28and they're meeting together every Tuesday
03:30and we're going through this.
03:31I mean, good God, how much of this is a dog and pony show?
03:33Well, but also Andrew had said, you know,
03:36that he had laid out, and Miles said,
03:38they had laid out what the future was going to be,
03:40you know, when he signed the contract.
03:41Oh, okay.
03:42And that he had to be comfortable with all of that.
03:44So they laid out what the future was going to be, right?
03:49Is what is written in the article.
03:50So what did they tell him?
03:52Because there is the very famous interview that he did,
03:55actually, I don't know who it was with,
03:56when they asked him about the quarterback situation
03:59and he made the face about, you know,
04:02looking for a quarterback
04:03and they ended up, you know,
04:04not really doing much except for drafting
04:06Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders.
04:09What exactly was said?
04:11Like, who, I want to know who they were pursuing then.
04:14Were they pursuing somebody actively
04:16that didn't get out there?
04:17I remember the Kirk Cousins stuff.
04:19But what would,
04:20when he was at Chipotle,
04:21that was considered a big,
04:23who were,
04:23who would they have went after
04:24that would make Miles Garrett
04:26make that face and act like that?
04:28Unless he's just playing his own game of poker,
04:31which is a possibility.
04:32And who were the guys that,
04:33you know,
04:33Daniel Jones switched to him,
04:35but nobody thought Daniel Jones
04:36was going to have the success he had early in the season.
04:38Daniel Jones wouldn't have made him do that.
04:39No.
04:40We got to find a quarterback
04:41that would have made him do that.
04:42The only one I could think of
04:43that would be any,
04:45what it's,
04:46it's not realistic.
04:47Well,
04:47the only one that could have been,
04:50the only one I could have think of
04:51that could be realistic.
04:53And I know Bruce has been ripped for this.
04:57It would be,
04:58it would be Dak,
04:59but you would only be able to trade Miles for Dak.
05:01You can't make those deals add up with the money.
05:04You couldn't,
05:05you couldn't do a team.
05:07Like Miles could at that time
05:08with Miles's contract at that time,
05:11if you were trading for a quarterback,
05:12like the only person you could trade,
05:14trade for realistically was Dak.
05:17It was never happening.
05:18So who was he so excited about?
05:21Maybe he was just acting.
05:22I have to assume he was just acting
05:23because I don't know who we would,
05:25who would we have been excited about
05:26that was any bit realistic whatsoever.
05:28Unless we find out something later,
05:29then we have the right to new information,
05:31as you always say.
05:32Him being interested in this,
05:36there's a couple things.
05:38One,
05:38I mean,
05:38that's clear leadership.
05:40So he definitely knew that something was in here.
05:43That's why he didn't come to OTAs.
05:45I'm going to take that from this,
05:47this article.
05:47He definitely knew something was afoot
05:49or he knew that they were going to try
05:51to do something afoot
05:51or make something happen.
05:54And that's probably why he wasn't at OTAs
05:56or any of the other stuff.
05:57Barry told him,
05:58according to some of the,
05:59I thought it was Mary Kay that had,
06:00or maybe Barry had talked about it
06:02in his press conference
06:03that also,
06:05you know,
06:06he had kind of told Miles,
06:07like,
06:07let's,
06:08let's,
06:08let's pause here
06:09because they had to,
06:10they had to,
06:10you know,
06:10finish the deal.
06:11They had to finish everything.
06:12So what sense would it make
06:14for him to come
06:15and then,
06:16you know,
06:16there's the golf outing
06:17and all that when they're,
06:18when they're,
06:19you know,
06:19completing the trade.
06:20He could show up,
06:20he could show up,
06:22he could be,
06:23God,
06:23if he got hurt on the field
06:24or something like that,
06:25I mean,
06:25good Lord.
06:27because anything crazy can happen.
06:29We've,
06:29we've always heard of it.
06:30You don't,
06:31you wouldn't want to put him at that risk.
06:34Did he know he was getting traded then,
06:36right?
06:36When the season ended?
06:39Like there's more,
06:40I'm asking you more questions.
06:41I think the arrow is pretty clearly pointing
06:42because in that direction.
06:44He's not talking to Todd.
06:48If he's not talking to Todd,
06:50so was he in meeting there?
06:53There's nothing here about him getting upset
06:54with the franchise at all.
06:55Nothing.
06:56Well,
06:56they just,
06:56they talked about the coaching search.
06:59We all know who Miles wanted.
07:01Yes.
07:01It wasn't Todd Munkin.
07:02But I think a lot of people are wondering
07:04if that's the straw that broke the camel's back
07:06because Zach was on with us
07:08and Zach said,
07:09if,
07:09if,
07:10if Jim Schwartz would have been made the coach,
07:12he would still be here.
07:14Now,
07:14I don't think it was just because
07:16Miles was happy or unhappy
07:17or would have been much happier with Jim Schwartz.
07:20I think what he was thinking is
07:21they would have kept things status quo.
07:23Miles would still want to be here,
07:25but they would probably still think
07:27that they're going to be a competitive football team
07:28and they would have just kept things going.
07:30I don't know.
07:31Yes.
07:31But,
07:31you know,
07:32it's also interesting.
07:33So,
07:33they went over the details.
07:35Breer,
07:35in his piece,
07:36went over the details of the 2022
07:39trade request from,
07:41that's a request,
07:41but the negotiation that,
07:43there wasn't much of one,
07:45but what the Rams were offering in 2022
07:46and it was,
07:47I think,
07:47a couple of firsts and change,
07:49but what was important about that fact
07:52was,
07:53and maybe this is,
07:54that there was no real auction
07:58or anything like that,
07:59like,
08:00Andrew Barry trusted the Rams
08:02because that never got out.
08:05So,
08:05he knew he could
08:07resume talks again
08:09or have real talks this time
08:10and if things fell through
08:12or whatever,
08:12he didn't have to worry about that
08:14getting out or anything.
08:15No.
08:16So,
08:16I thought that was important.
08:18Also,
08:18Miles had a
08:20final summit
08:21with Jimmy Haslam
08:22after the trade was done.
08:23He went to his house
08:24and they hung out
08:25and talked about old times.
08:27Maybe,
08:27maybe then we can finally find out
08:29what happened with Mason Rudolph.
08:30Maybe Jimmy knows,
08:31but I thought that was interesting.
08:33So,
08:34this didn't end on some horrible note
08:36between the team
08:37and the player
08:38and scorched earth afterwards
08:39and Miles is going to dump
08:41all over Cleveland
08:42and the Browns
08:42after the fact.
08:44Like,
08:44we will parse through
08:45his press conferences and stuff
08:46and yeah,
08:47he's going to say things like,
08:47I'm on a contender now
08:48and people will take that
08:50as he's slamming Cleveland.
08:51But I don't think
08:52there is some bitter,
08:54he's probably mad
08:55they didn't win.
08:56Yes,
08:57he's probably mad
08:57they didn't get him a quarterback,
08:58but he's not going to,
09:00he's not going to dump
09:01on the city
09:01and he's not going to dump
09:02on the organization.
09:03Albert Breer
09:04has posted an article,
09:05it's lengthy
09:07and this is inside
09:09the Miles Garrett trade,
09:10inside the Rams and Browns
09:11two-month negotiation
09:13over the Miles Garrett trade.
09:15Albert Breer explained it
09:16and it goes into great detail.
09:19Now,
09:19you said that he has
09:20a think tank of people,
09:22Barry does,
09:22according to this article?
09:24Yeah,
09:25so.
09:25Yeah,
09:26tell everybody
09:26who the think tank of people are.
09:27I thought this was interesting.
09:29Barry is part of
09:30a sort of think tank
09:32slash buddy group
09:33of executives across sports.
09:34It includes
09:35St. Louis Cardinals
09:36president of baseball operations
09:38Chain Bloom,
09:39Oklahoma City Thunder GM
09:41Sam Presti
09:42and Pittsburgh Penguins GM
09:44Kyle Dubas
09:45and both Bloom and Presti
09:46have been in Barry's shoes
09:47and he goes to talk
09:48about Presti
09:49making the massive moves
09:51that Presti has made
09:52over the years
09:52including Paul George
09:53because this has been related
09:54to basically
09:55an NBA type of trade.
09:57Meanwhile,
09:58Bloom anchored
09:59that resolve
10:00with his story
10:00of trading Mookie Betts
10:02when he was running
10:02the Red Sox
10:03which of course
10:04not very popular
10:05there in Boston.
10:07No.
10:08But,
10:08he had people
10:09that he could
10:10commiserate with
10:11on trading
10:13you know,
10:14a face of the franchise
10:15and a landmark player
10:16and certainly in this case
10:17future Hall of Famer.
10:19It's not easy to do.
10:20Well,
10:21what did we say forever,
10:22Ken?
10:22We said
10:23he'd be signing
10:24his own
10:25death certificate,
10:26right?
10:27That's what we thought
10:28at the time
10:29any time we talked
10:30about a Miles Garrett trade
10:31because what does it mean
10:32for the season
10:32they're about to have?
10:33Most likely not good.
10:35What are season ticket holders
10:36going to say
10:36about sitting through
10:37yet another losing season
10:39where you may not be
10:40any closer to getting
10:41your quarterback?
10:42Like we thought
10:43well,
10:43they'll just fire the GM
10:44at the end of the year.
10:45Yes.
10:46But it doesn't feel
10:48that way right now.
10:49Especially a post-draft trade
10:51would result in
10:52the new starting defensive end
10:54just being the next guy
10:55up off the roster
10:56and not a
10:58two-time Pro Bowler.
10:59Someone who's as good
11:00as Jared Burst.
11:03Presti is,
11:04I will say,
11:05baseball jokes aside,
11:07obviously,
11:07Presti is one of the
11:08most respected
11:09front office members
11:10in professional sport,
11:11American professional sports.
11:13So that's,
11:15if you're going to have
11:16a friend help you
11:16through this,
11:18it's definitely
11:18that's one that can help you
11:20because he certainly
11:21has come out
11:21on the other side
11:22with Oklahoma City.
11:25There's something
11:26I took away
11:26from this as well.
11:30They consulted
11:31with Miles,
11:32right?
11:32You said that they were
11:33having weekly meetings
11:34with Miles.
11:35Extensive.
11:35Extensive weekly meetings,
11:37extensive consultations.
11:39Is this Miles
11:40throwing his input in
11:41on what the team should do
11:42or just learning the ropes?
11:44I imagine
11:45taking some input
11:47but mostly just
11:48here's where we are
11:49with the cap,
11:50here's where we are
11:50with our draft capital.
11:52And then on Saturday,
11:53this last Saturday,
11:54he went over there
11:55to Jimmy's house
11:56and Miles and Jimmy
11:57sat down
11:58and they had
11:59a summit conversation.
12:00Talked about the nine years.
12:02Talked about the nine years
12:02together.
12:03See, this is my thing
12:04and this is not going
12:06to sound very nice
12:06to Miles
12:07but this is the entire
12:08problem of what we,
12:10we haven't had many
12:11problems with Miles
12:11whatsoever.
12:12The biggest problem
12:13we've had is leadership
12:14or lack thereof.
12:16This is a team
12:17that you can tell
12:17if you're having a meeting
12:19every single week,
12:21if your owner,
12:22if you're meeting
12:23with the owner,
12:24if you know each
12:25other's addresses,
12:26you're in conversation
12:27with the owner,
12:29this is a team
12:30that's been desperate
12:30for leadership
12:31since the Haslam's
12:32have taken over.
12:33They have been desperate
12:34to,
12:35I'm not making a
12:36chagrin of all saying,
12:38they have been desperate
12:39to hand the keys
12:40to the building
12:40to somebody.
12:42They tried to do it
12:43with Baker,
12:44blew up in their face.
12:45They have tried to do it
12:46with Miles,
12:47it has been not a lot
12:49of success.
12:50They've tried it,
12:51I think they probably
12:52tried to do it
12:53or wanted to do it
12:53and force it with
12:54Deshaun Watson
12:55and obviously that
12:56ain't gonna take.
12:57This is a team
12:57that's been desperate
12:58to have a guy
12:59where he is the face
13:03of the franchise
13:03and no matter what you do,
13:05he makes things better.
13:06Like I'm sure
13:07there are problems
13:09within with the
13:10Kansas City Chiefs
13:11somewhere.
13:11No organization
13:12is perfect.
13:13Mahomes makes
13:14everything better.
13:15Jared Allen,
13:15I mean go look
13:16at what they think
13:17of the Pagoulas
13:18with how they run
13:19the Bills
13:19during the offseason
13:20and the Buffalo Sabres
13:22for so many years.
13:23Jared Allen makes
13:24things everything better
13:26and I think that
13:27Andrew Luck was that guy,
13:28Peyton Manning was that guy
13:29for the Indianapolis Colts
13:30for the late Jim Irsay.
13:31I'm not trying to take
13:32a swing at a man
13:33who's passed
13:33but obviously
13:34they had their problems
13:35and I think that
13:36they're looking
13:37for their guy
13:38and consistently
13:39the people that
13:40they have found
13:41have fallen short
13:42and Miles is a
13:44tremendous player.
13:44He's obviously
13:45a first ballot
13:45Hall of Famer.
13:46Again,
13:46he's not a bad
13:47person whatsoever
13:48but he's not
13:49that leader.
13:50He's not that guy
13:50and when I see
13:52the pictures of him
13:53I react as a fan.
13:54I react viscerally
13:55towards him.
13:56It does make me
13:57feel a little bit
13:58better that he
13:59was a part of all
13:59this and that
14:00there wasn't
14:01anything ugly.
14:02He's not going
14:03to take any shots
14:04at Cleveland.
14:05We got a great
14:06player back in
14:06Jared Verse
14:07who I don't
14:08again I don't want
14:09to waste his time
14:10with this organization.
14:11There are things here
14:12that has made
14:12this better.
14:13It's a consolation
14:17prize because you
14:19don't have the
14:20first ballot
14:21Hall of Famer
14:22on your football
14:22team.
14:23You've admitted
14:24to the entire
14:25world that if you
14:28felt you were
14:29going to be that
14:30good this year
14:31with the quarterback
14:31room that you have
14:32you would still go
14:33we have the better
14:34player in Miles Garrett
14:35we're not moving
14:35off of Miles Garrett
14:36thank you for the
14:37offer goodbye.
14:38You've admitted
14:39to the entire world
14:40you don't think
14:40you're going to be
14:41that great.
14:41I can deal
14:42with all that.
14:42They haven't been
14:43that great for a
14:44long time.
14:45We've had a couple
14:46of fun years
14:46and maybe this year
14:47will still be fun
14:47crazier things
14:48happen right.
14:49But they've admitted
14:50they haven't been
14:51good for a long
14:51time.
14:52I just want it
14:52to mean something.
14:53If you're not
14:54going to be good
14:54make it mean
14:55something.
14:55And I do think
14:56that they have
14:57made it mean
14:58something now
14:58where it's like
14:59hey we got
14:59Jared Verse
14:59got another
15:00first round pick
15:01got second round
15:01pick third round
15:02pick.
15:02There is that
15:02little poison
15:03pill in there
15:04that if they
15:04ended up trading
15:06Miles Garrett
15:06to the AFC
15:07North we get
15:07another 2029
15:08first rounder
15:09which obviously
15:10ain't gonna happen
15:11with the Rams
15:11but there's
15:12other little
15:13things in there
15:13that help you
15:14deal with this
15:16and that's fine
15:16just as long
15:17as we get
15:17to where we
15:18need to go
15:19but that is
15:20always going
15:20to be the
15:21major criticism
15:22of Miles Garrett
15:23is that you
15:24never you never
15:26took the mantle
15:26you had say so
15:28in the mantle
15:29go back to the
15:30Mary Kay Cabot
15:30article in 2022
15:33about Baker Mayfield
15:34and it basically
15:35a him or him
15:36or him situation
15:37me or him
15:37situation
15:39you flirted
15:39with taking
15:40that mantle
15:40you never
15:41really did
15:42and that's
15:43what I need
15:43that's why
15:44I've been so
15:44adamant about
15:45this and I'm
15:46glad we got
15:46a guy like
15:47Jared Versbach
15:47because if we
15:48only got picks
15:49back I think
15:49it's a gut
15:50punch to the
15:50rest of the
15:51team going
15:51well he must
15:51not think
15:52we're gonna
15:52be that good
15:52at all this
15:53year
15:53well he can
15:54come in there
15:54and he can
15:54rally him
15:55and circle
15:56the wagons
15:56and get
15:57things going
15:57in a better
15:58direction
15:58because my
15:59first thought
15:59was when
16:00they were
16:00going to
16:00trade him
16:00this is a
16:01three-win
16:01football team
16:02if that
16:02this is not
16:03gonna be
16:03good
16:03and then
16:05you get
16:05Jared Versbach
16:05it's like
16:06okay let's
16:06relax and
16:07let's go a
16:09little bit
16:09further now
16:10that's where
16:10I'm at
16:11yeah I
16:11you know
16:12it's kind
16:13of eye
16:14opening
16:14like you
16:15wonder what
16:16other players
16:17and again
16:17they're not
16:17as good
16:18as Miles
16:18but other
16:18players on
16:19the football
16:19team
16:20you know
16:21did they
16:21know that
16:22Miles was
16:22basically
16:23meeting
16:23every single
16:24week with
16:25the GM
16:25does it
16:26make you feel
16:27better about
16:27this whole
16:27situation
16:28reading this
16:28does it
16:30make people
16:30who are
16:30hearing this
16:31for the first
16:32time
16:32does it
16:32make them
16:33feel better
16:33about this
16:34situation
16:34216-474-0092
16:36does it
16:37bring you
16:37closure to
16:38the entire
16:38situation
16:39it's like
16:39yeah let's
16:39get going
16:40with Jared
16:40verse guys
16:40well this
16:41again Miles
16:42was not
16:43kicking and
16:43screaming to
16:44get out of
16:44here so
16:45that's clear
16:45I also don't
16:46think he
16:46had to
16:47so I
16:48think if
16:48they're
16:48meeting every
16:49single week
16:49about the
16:50state of
16:50the roster
16:51and we
16:51know what
16:51Miles said
16:52a year ago
16:52and Andrew
16:53Barry certainly
16:53knows because
16:54he was there
16:54and Jimmy
16:55Haslam knows
16:56like come
16:57on yeah I
16:57want a new
16:58contract I
16:58also want a
16:59winner I
16:59want to
16:59play for a
17:00winner that's
17:00why he's
17:01smiling ear
17:02to ear now
17:03with the new
17:04uniform on in
17:05LA like
17:05well because
17:06he is he's
17:07he's really got
17:07everything now
17:08yeah and
17:09and you know
17:09what he's earned
17:10that has he not
17:11don't we think
17:12that over time
17:13the players kind
17:15of earn that
17:15like it's been
17:16nine years
17:16like if I were
17:18him if it were
17:19me like this
17:21is right here
17:21this is all I
17:22know I'm very
17:23happy being here
17:24this is me and
17:25I'm smiling ear to
17:26ear and this is a
17:27dream but for him
17:29if I were him
17:30now you have
17:30everything and
17:32as a fan I
17:33don't like it
17:33because I'm still
17:34back here and I
17:35know that I have
17:35work you don't get
17:36to share in that
17:37yeah my team has
17:38work that we need
17:39to do but if
17:39you're him you're
17:40sitting there going
17:40I'm gonna get a
17:41new contract and
17:42he just got a new
17:42contract or he gets
17:43hired he's gonna
17:44make like 40
17:45million dollars again
17:46this year he's
17:46gonna get 37 he's
17:47got the the new
17:48contract with the
17:49Rams which you knew
17:50that that was gonna
17:50be part of it no
17:51matter what you're
17:53living in LA you
17:55have your girlfriend
17:57fiancee
17:57girlfriend they
17:58live in LA
17:58they're probably
17:59gonna move in
17:59together in LA
18:00you're playing for
18:01a winner I mean
18:02you got everything
18:02you wanted it's
18:03everything you wanted
18:04right now in your
18:05life me as a fan
18:08knowing that we
18:08have a lot of work
18:09to do and and the
18:10players that we want
18:11to do we have some
18:12good players here but
18:13the players that we
18:14want to help us
18:14really compete are
18:15not even in an NFL
18:17uniform yet it it's
18:19gonna make me jealous
18:20it's gonna make me
18:21jealous that he gets
18:22to leave this situation
18:23and I still have to
18:24roll up my sleeves
18:24with all the other
18:25fans and we got to
18:26talk about quarterbacks
18:27until kingdom come
18:27does it say anything
18:29to you I can be
18:30honest with you about
18:30that and and that's
18:31100% the way it's
18:32gonna be there will
18:33be some miles Garrett
18:35diehard fans that are
18:36also Browns fans are
18:37also like good for
18:38miles I want to see
18:38him win a Super
18:39Bowl now let's go even
18:40if it means the
18:41detriment of a draft
18:42pick for us by a few
18:43spots I don't want to
18:44see him win a Super
18:44Bowl yet no not yet
18:47yeah I got a roof for
18:48him to lose I'm sorry
18:49I got we got a first
18:50round pick I still have
18:51to do what's best for
18:52the Cleveland Browns I
18:53have to hope what's
18:54best for the Cleveland
18:55Browns I have to make
18:56it as easy as I
18:56possibly can that they
18:57don't get in their own
18:58way where we make it as
19:00as like right on like
19:01don't mess around with
19:03this you make this
19:04choice you got to do
19:05this make this as easy
19:06as possible so I have to
19:08hope sorry I don't want
19:09to hope I don't wish
19:10you'll will on miles
19:10personally at all
19:11professionally whatever I
19:13don't wish anything bad
19:14on any of those people
19:15over there I got nothing
19:15wrong with them I told
19:16you I had people texting
19:17me in the building on
19:18Sunday well you didn't
19:19hear it but they all
19:20heard it I don't wish
19:21anything wrong against
19:22those folks I just have
19:24to hope they lose this
19:25year well if something
19:26happens see what happens
19:26next year and the year
19:27after that but this year
19:28I gotta hope they lose
19:28something bad you know
19:29beef falls I don't want
19:30bad things to happen
19:31stafford that that helps
19:32Browns I just want them
19:33to lose so it hurts my
19:34house but helps the
19:35Browns the other thing
19:36here is that it just came
19:38to my mind like I think
19:40people want to dump on
19:41players out the door we
19:42do that I've done that we
19:43kind of did that earlier
19:44in the show it started
19:45talking about miles
19:46showing up I just told
19:47truths of it I want I
19:49will stand by him over
19:49the Mason Rudolph thing
19:50to kingdom come but the
19:52other thing is is I
19:52don't want to have any
19:53more dinosaurs and
19:54cupcake celebrations over
19:56over signings we're grown
19:58adults here for crying out
19:59loud but it's it's it's
20:00what every fan does I'm
20:02not judging it's it's
20:03what we do the minute
20:04you're not a Cleveland
20:04Brown anymore whether it's
20:05your choice or someone
20:06else's choice I mean heck
20:08people were mad Joe
20:09Hayden went to the
20:09Steelers it's like well
20:10the Browns said they were
20:11done with him so Joe
20:12Hayden gets to go where
20:13he wants I could always
20:13understand and a team
20:14wanted him and then he
20:15actually had a pro bowl
20:16year I think with or
20:17pretty close to it with
20:19that team so I do find
20:21it interesting how things
20:23ended with Baker or as
20:25bad as can be this I mean
20:29the owner you're right
20:30you got to go over that
20:31again here now the owner
20:32the owner had Miles Garrett
20:36in his home in Brantnell to
20:39have one final powwow about
20:41hey probably let's let's
20:43drink some champagne to your
20:44new career and we're moving
20:46on and what a career it's
20:47been here in Cleveland and
20:48and the fact that they had
20:51given him I don't know if
20:52it's a say but they
20:53certainly used him as a
20:55sounding board about the
20:57future of the team and they
20:59kept him apprised of all
21:00that how many players in the
21:01league get that kind of
21:03treatment compare that to
21:04Baker who is the
21:05quarterback quarterbacks are
21:06always more important than
21:07anybody else and what do we
21:09always say man what's more
21:10important having a Miles
21:11Garrett or having a
21:13quarterback play at the
21:14level when he was at his
21:16highest that Baker Mayfield
21:18was playing it's it's the
21:19quarterback but yet think
21:21of the divorce with Baker
21:23compared to this the Browns
21:25seem like they want they
21:26want to be buddies they
21:27don't want angst they don't
21:29want a bad feels out the
21:31door does make me also
21:32think that Dan Lobby might
21:34end up being right about
21:35that like okay if he does
21:36go to the Hall of Fame and
21:37maybe the Haslams are
21:38paying for the when he goes
21:39to the Hall of Fame the
21:40Haslams are paying for the
21:41party and he does go in as a
21:42quote-unquote does this not
21:43seem amicable it does not
21:45for Todd Munkin it's
21:47probably annoyed like and
21:49I don't get I don't get
21:50this great player and he
21:52was never going to be a
21:52leader you get a really
21:53good player back though
21:54you get a really good
21:55player back and then and
21:56then you get to preach
21:56everything you want because
21:57we can always be over here
21:59because we're looking at
22:00it from the big picture
22:00he can get he can get
22:01everybody in a room go he
22:02don't want to be here we
22:04got guys who want to be
22:05here let's get going yes
22:06that was the past this is
22:08the future we're in this
22:09together now we got to go
22:11and the words of Kevin
22:12Stefanski he's not going
22:13to quote Kevin in front
22:14of him we want
22:15volunteers we don't want
22:16hostages that's that's
22:18what you're doing so I
22:19can put the Baker part to
22:21that I mean we we can go
22:23over that corpse over and
22:24over and over again but
22:25it was a bad ending we
22:26have to admit it was an
22:27awful ending it takes two
22:29to tango obviously that's
22:30the I don't know how
22:31anybody misses that that
22:32was that was that there
22:34was culpability to go
22:35around all sorts of
22:36culpability but you just
22:38notice the way this is
22:40being told and what
22:41Albert Breer has in terms
22:42of his information is
22:43the Browns are not
22:45kicking miles out the
22:46door you're not going to
22:47see social media posts
22:48denigrating him they'll
22:50they'll be happy about
22:51verse like they're going
22:52to go and proclaim him
22:54to be the next star and
22:55he's already a budding
22:56star and that's fine you
22:57would do that he's a new
22:58guy on the team but this
23:00is a lot that feels a lot
23:01different than the Baker
23:02situation
23:03situation
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