00:00I'd say this, Mary Kay. Miles is a career brown. He is one of the faces of our organization.
00:07I think we've been very clear, both past and present, in terms of our feelings.
00:11I understand all the questions. I'll be honest, I don't really want to waste a ton more breath on it.
00:17Sure.
00:20All right, well, that was Andrew Barry at the owners' meetings down in Arizona,
00:24talking with Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com and a whole press pool saying,
00:28basically, I don't want to answer any more questions about it.
00:32We're not going to trade him. Miles Garrett is going to be a lifelong brown.
00:35So there you go. Don't ask me. Don't worry about it. Miles Garrett ain't going nowhere.
00:40Don't look at the contract restructuring that we just did.
00:45Don't look at those five first-round picks that we're trying to throw out to get approved.
00:49Nope. Nope, Mary Kay. We're not trading him. He's going to be a lifelong brown.
00:54I mean, you'd have to think. I mean, there's nothing else to say there, right?
00:59You'd have to think that Miles is going to stay put until the five first-round picks thing is finalized,
01:05in which time the Browns will get four first-round picks from Miles Garrett.
01:08I mean, Andrew Barry's not going to go out there in the owners' meetings where he's trying to just get
01:14some good quotes out
01:15about the draft, get the smoke and mirrors thing going.
01:18And, you know, later on, Mary Kay tweeted that the Browns are probably still looking to get a quarterback
01:23and that Andrew Barry really likes Ty Simpson.
01:27He says, quote, he has a bright future in the league, but he wouldn't say how interested the Browns are
01:32in Ty Simpson.
01:33So, yeah, of course, they're not going to stick microphones in his face.
01:37He had to knew these questions were coming because you restructure the contract,
01:42and immediately everybody starts saying, I keep saying restructuring, you, like, moved up cap incentives.
01:48It's some weird stuff that none of us understand, but in essence, it made the contract easier to trade.
01:55So a lot of people started to glean from that that they're gearing up to trade Miles Garrett.
02:00I don't think it matters what Andrew Barry says at this point because, personally, I don't think he's –
02:03I think that Miles Garrett's going to be around longer than Andrew Barry's going to be around.
02:06Well, so you think that him saying this is –
02:08Andrew Barry saying that doesn't really mean anything to me because I feel like he's going to be gone relatively
02:15soon.
02:16If the Browns don't have a good year – I mean, you've said it before.
02:18You said it two weeks ago.
02:19If the Browns don't win five or more games, Todd Munkin's the one-year wonder at coach,
02:25and Andrew Barry's gone.
02:26He'll never be a GM in the NFL again.
02:28Well, so the first things that you thought when you heard him say that were what?
02:34I don't think it matters what Andrew Barry says.
02:37I think it doesn't matter.
02:38I think that there are going to be – I think that that rule, the five draft pick rule, is
02:43going to pass.
02:43I think the NFL is going to want it to pass so they can be more like the NBA.
02:46As Daryl and Nick were standing on the way in where, yeah, you can have more star players traded
02:53with the addition of being able to trade five first-round picks.
02:57So I don't think – I think in the current state of the NFL rules where you can only trade
03:02three first-round picks
03:03and Andrew Barry is still the GM of the Cleveland Browns, yeah, Miles Garrett's not going anywhere.
03:07The second Andrew Barry's out the window, we're going to start having these discussions again.
03:10This just rings hollow for me because Andrew Barry's the same person and the same source that said,
03:18we believe that Miles Garrett is going from Cleveland to Canton.
03:22And what happened a week later?
03:24Miles Garrett threw that right back in their face and said the goal was never Cleveland to Canton.
03:28It was to win a Super Bowl.
03:30So I'm sorry if I don't hear what Andrew Barry says.
03:35And, you know, he can say no matter – he can pound the table as many times as he wants
03:39and says, Miles Garrett's not going anywhere.
03:42We want him to be the face of this franchise until the day that he retires.
03:46And it's going to be hollow for me.
03:48He's not going to open the door even a little crack to look in – for people to look in
03:53and be like,
03:53oh, maybe they will go and trade Miles Garrett.
03:56He wants to shut that conversation down immediately because I think that that organization
04:00is still very scarred from what happened last year.
04:04You had your best player in the last however many years, one of the top players of all time,
04:10go on Radio Row in a public, very public setting and trash the organization.
04:16Not the city, all the guys in that building for not finding a quarterback, for not consistently winning,
04:21for doing everything really wrong, all to then go back and have this weird dinosaur press conference
04:28and sign the Supermax extension and then go and have some insane season.
04:34Like, the relationship there after that entire blowup, it's got to be a little fractured.
04:42So they're not going to open up that wound at all, I don't think.
04:46If this were the NBA, Miles would have been gone four years ago.
04:48Yes, but this is the NFL.
04:50It's the NFL.
04:51I know.
04:52I'm sitting here and I'm just like, this discussion, this Miles Garrett trade discussion
04:58has got to be one of the most frustrating things ever because deep down,
05:04I think most Browns fans think that it would be a beneficiary to trade Miles Garrett
05:09and get picks or players and you move forward and maybe your defense is a little worse,
05:14but your team is overall a net positive, is a better team.
05:18But then there are some Browns fans that are out there that says it matters if Miles Garrett
05:22stays his entire career with the Browns.
05:24I think there is something to be said for that, but I think you get to a point where sentimentality
05:30can't be, cannot be the main decision-making thing.
05:34This is business.
05:35This is a business.
05:35And everybody talks about it all the time, and it's good business to get Miles Garrett
05:40out of Cleveland.
05:41I will say that I don't think if you're Barry and if you're Todd Monk and if you're Miles
05:46Garrett, this will not be the last time that somebody asks about them getting traded.
05:51The first time that Miles shows up for OTAs or whatever, I guess maybe they're going to
05:57ask about the speeding ticket, but they're probably going to, the first question out of the gate
06:01is going to be, do you want to be here, and what was the rationale behind the contract
06:06quote-unquote restructuring?
06:07Because it does need to be asked.
06:08If it's simply that you are trying to create cap space for, you know, five years down the
06:15road, okay, why did that need to be done right now?
06:19It's just very curious that less than a month before the draft, where you're in a situation,
06:25a very precarious spot with the cap situation, where you're trying to bring in more tally,
06:30you just spent $100 million on the offensive line, you maybe want to bring in another wide
06:34receiver and other spots in the defense, and then all of a sudden you're trying to kick
06:39the can down the road on making your cap situation better for 27, 28, 29.
06:45Like, that doesn't exactly square with me as like an immediate, urgent thing.
06:50And I don't think Miles Garrett is, if he does get traded, he's not going to get traded
06:54now. He's going to get traded post-June 1st.
06:56I saw like some weird thing where his cap, if the Browns traded him now, his cap would
07:00be over $40 million. If they traded him now, if they traded him at June 1st, it'd be like
07:04$11 million. So I think that's what would make more sense.
07:09I don't, and I think he is right. If they really, really were like dead set, like I'm
07:14going to trade him right now, I think that it necessarily wouldn't matter as much to
07:19restructure his contract because whoever's going to take Miles Garrett is probably going to
07:23be okay with taking on the lump sum of his salary.
07:27Turned on the damn mic. Why neither of us are jumping on this and being like, we agree,
07:33okay, and we're celebrating that, okay, we can put the Miles Garrett thing to bed is because
07:39of what they've said in the past. And also when they signed the contract, the messaging
07:46from people that understood cap and salary and whatever was this contract is virtually
07:51untradeable. Daryl Ryder has pounded the table on that, that guys, even when they got
07:56up to the trade deadline last year and people were tossing around Miles Garrett going to the
08:00Patriots or the bills or stuff like that, guys, it's impossible or damn near impossible to
08:05trade this contract. Okay. So that's great. We don't even need to worry about the Miles
08:09Garrett conversation. He's going to retire Brown or he's going to finish out this contract
08:13with the Browns. You open the door. You allowed this contract to suddenly be tradable.
08:19You allowed us to continue to have this conversation. And it's not just that we're all bored in the
08:25off season before the guardians started playing in the calves have playoff expectations. There's
08:30a real thing to point to, to say, well, yeah, this is a contract that we can trade and we
08:35can
08:36reopen all those wounds that we had last year, have the same conversations that we had a year
08:40ago. I just, the, I think the saga is never going to end the saga. The Miles Garrett trade saga
08:46and when miles is about 38 years old or when Andrew Barry's gone, I really do. I think it's
08:52going to, it's, this is just something that the, the, the Browns are going to have to deal
08:56with for the rest of his career, honestly. And it's, it's until they have a quarterback
09:02basically. Yeah. And it doesn't necessarily square that the future of your defensive end
09:07has to do with quarterback, but yeah, until they look like they're going somewhere, your
09:12otherworldly defensive player of the year, two-time defensive player of the year is going
09:16to be trade fodder. It's the same thing with Denzel Ward, except for Denzel Ward is a local
09:20kid. So it feels like he's one of our own and he hasn't had some public blow up like
09:26Miles Garrett did. It is always going to be there. I said on Thursday night, this is always
09:32going to be a conversation. So we should all, we should all get comfortable with this.
09:36You know, if Andrew Barry's going to tell us to, Oh, I don't want to spend any more
09:39breath on this. Guess what, dude? Suck in for air. Cause it's going to happen.
09:44Is it possible in this day of insiders that Miles has re-requested a trade, but he doesn't
09:50want to do the whole Instagram goodbye post. He doesn't want to alienate Cleveland fans
09:56anymore. He wants to stay the course. Cause he's a, he's a part owner of the Cavs, right?
10:00I'm not making that up. He's a part owner. Correct. Okay. So Miles is going to be in Cleveland
10:05for the rest of his life. He is going to be making appearances with the Browns. He's going
10:08to be working with the Browns, being an ambassador to the Browns after his playing career for
10:12the rest of his life. I would have to imagine, right? Because that's, that's a huge source
10:15of income for him. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets like an honorary, honorary role in
10:19the front office where he's like the outreach person. I don't know. But like, is it possible
10:24in this day of insiders that he could request a trade quietly? And that's why the Browns
10:30could be, that's why the Browns restructured his contract. Yeah. I think I said it earlier
10:34in the show that, that he tried the public way and he tried telling everybody straight
10:41into a microphone, anybody that would listen to him, that this is a complete cluster.
10:46You know what? And I don't want to be here anymore until we get a quarterback and that
10:51didn't work out. So why don't I just do it quietly? And then maybe Browns fans or something
10:55like that won't be as upset at me as they were last time around when a lot of people were
11:01like, well, what the hell dude? Like, why do you want out again? You know, I, I do fear
11:06that this, this quote, miles Garrett, miles is a career Brown. That quote is just going
11:12to end up sounding like the goal was always for miles to go from Cleveland to Canton.
11:16And we're just on another year of this thing where maybe quotes are getting thrown around
11:20through the media and everything's getting, you know, trash back and forth. You know, it,
11:25this could be the beginning of something, but it's certainly not the end. This is certainly
11:29not the last time we're going to hear about this, uh, from Andrew Barry, from Todd Munkin
11:34from miles Garrett himself. I'm sure everybody's going to have the same response and it's nothing.
11:39I don't want to hear about it. I don't want to talk about it. Next question, but we're still
11:45all going to talk about it because you opened the door to it again, do pay attention with
11:51the Cleveland Browns. Daryl says this all the time, pay attention, not to what they say,
11:55but what they do, what they did was they restructured. What they did was they opened
12:00the door and what they said was he's a Cleveland Brown for life. Just pointing that out.
12:06No, I agree with you. I think, I don't think anybody could have said better.
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