00:00Let's keep it real, like, we're sisters.
00:02We have, like, times where we're, like, best friends,
00:05and then we have times where we're like, I can't stand her.
00:07Yeah.
00:11Hi, my name is Rikki.
00:12And I'm Rachel.
00:13We're sisters.
00:14And we founded Nappy Hut Club, which is a lifestyle clothing
00:18brand that affirms Blackness through messages
00:20that celebrate and affirm our identity.
00:22How would you describe our relationship growing up?
00:26Got to spend, like, our summers and holidays together,
00:28and I feel like Dad's house was always, like, so much fun.
00:31I feel like that's where we just, like, let loose
00:33and got into a lot of trouble.
00:35I think one of the things that was, like, a bit challenging
00:37for us growing up was just being, like, half-sisters.
00:41Honestly, it's kind of weird even saying, like, half-sister
00:43because I never call you my half-sister.
00:44You know, we have different mothers.
00:46We have the same father, and it kind of sucks, like,
00:49not growing up in the same house as you.
00:51You know, we didn't get to spend, like, every day together.
00:53I mean, going to school, you know,
00:54when the kids was coming for you, you know.
00:56If you didn't have, like, your sister or that person
00:59that could kind of be there for you in that way,
01:01but if we didn't have, like, those memories growing up,
01:04you know, visiting each other at Dad's house
01:06and our, like, paternal side of the family
01:09and kind of getting together in that way,
01:10I feel like we probably wouldn't even be in this situation.
01:13Like, I feel like we'd be just, like, sick of each other.
01:14Yeah.
01:18What do we have in common?
01:20We literally have so many things in common.
01:22I'm like...
01:23Like, where do we even begin?
01:24I don't know.
01:25One, the fact that we're both Cancers.
01:27Mm-hmm.
01:28We pretty much are the same person.
01:30Like, boom.
01:30Like, literally, look at our rings right now.
01:32Look at the palette.
01:33Look at the palette.
01:34I mean, we both like photography, art, creative direction.
01:38Mm-hmm.
01:38Being the oldest of the whole clan,
01:40I feel a little bit of, like, a pressure to kind of, like,
01:44be responsible or, like, set good examples,
01:46but at the same time, like, also set bad examples.
01:49So, like, don't do that.
01:50Or, like, do it, try it, and then, like, don't do it again.
01:52Yeah.
01:53I have to come to the table a certain way or, like,
01:56make everyone feel like they can trust me or lean on me or, you know.
02:00I feel like I kind of have, like, middle kid syndrome.
02:03They are a middle child.
02:04I've never thought about that.
02:05I've never...
02:06I'm, like, smack dab in the middle.
02:07I feel like I'm just...
02:08That kind of makes me a little bit more reckless.
02:10Yeah.
02:11Because, like...
02:11Okay.
02:12It's always going to work out
02:13because you've got your older sibling who's going to look out for you.
02:15And then you're, like, kind of like the cool older sister to your younger sibling.
02:19So, you know, you kind of got to show out a little bit, you know, act a little edgy for
02:23them, you know.
02:25What was it like when we, like, kind of first started the brand?
02:28In the car, on the PCH, and we're going to do some sister shit.
02:32Malibu.
02:33Going to Malibu to take some pictures.
02:35We had, like, a whole concept and editorial just for fun.
02:38Like, literally just because, like, that's fun.
02:39And we're just, like, talking about our natural hair journeys.
02:41As we were talking, I was thinking about our childhood, right?
02:44Like, we got 4C hair and, like, all the pictures of us, all the, like, cute childhood photos,
02:50our hair is a hot-ass mess.
02:53We were getting called nappy-headed.
02:55We were getting told we were bald-headed and this and that.
02:57And I felt like crap.
02:58And it's just crazy, like, how that sometimes just starts with your own family
03:03as opposed to people outside of the household.
03:06Yeah.
03:06They just say it so casually and they don't even realize that, like, their words are hurting you
03:11or creating this, like, false representation of yourselves.
03:15And then we were like, you know what?
03:17We need to make a club for people like us.
03:19Let's call it, like, the BDB club.
03:21Let's call it the, when my hair gets wet, it shrinks.
03:23The 4C only club.
03:24Let's call it the 4C only club.
03:25Let's go back to the roots.
03:26And then we started the Instagram.
03:32So do you remember how we landed on our name?
03:34So we started out as 4C only club.
03:37People did not know what 4C meant.
03:39Yes.
03:39Y'all not hip.
03:40Yeah.
03:41And then we were, like, doing all these votes and, like, asking our friends and family.
03:45And we were, like, back and forth, back and forth.
03:46Yes.
03:46Obviously the word nappy is, like, very controversial.
03:49And at first I was like, no.
03:51Yeah, you was not with it.
03:51I was not with it.
03:52But I honestly feel like it was the best decision.
03:55Yeah.
03:55What was once used to hurt us were kind of taking and reclaiming and flipping it on its head.
04:00And it's now our power.
04:01Mm-hmm.
04:03Rachel, we have, like, a herd of siblings.
04:07Oh.
04:08Oh.
04:08Why do you think it was just me and you that went to business together?
04:12Obviously, we're closest in age.
04:14And I feel like we were preparing for this business, like, from when we were kids.
04:18And we were literally styling thrifted clothes, putting editorial concepts together.
04:23Like, we were doing all this.
04:26It's so funny that you say that.
04:27At, like, 14.
04:27We really were.
04:28And 15.
04:28Like, I still have those videos on Facebook.
04:30Like, don't look them up.
04:31Oh, my God.
04:31Don't look them up.
04:32Oh, my God.
04:33Why did you even say that?
04:36I really, genuinely, genuinely, even, like, before Nappy Head Club, like, for me,
04:41I had this fire of wanting to build generational wealth.
04:45Mm-hmm.
04:45Like, I had seen where we come from.
04:47I had seen, like, you know, being, like, first, you know, generations to go to college and things
04:51like that.
04:51Like, I had seen where we were coming from.
04:53And I just, like, was really adamant about wanting there to be wealth within our family
04:57and, like, in Black families.
04:58So it feels really good to feel like that the business is creating opportunities for
05:03our family.
05:05We're all eating.
05:05Like, we're all growing and evolving from this thing that we're doing together.
05:09And that, to me, just is, like, heartwarming.
05:14Why do you love me so much the way that you do?
05:18Lay it on me.
05:20Ricky, I love you because you care deeply.
05:24You genuinely put yourself in other people's shoes.
05:27I think that you really put family above yourself sometimes.
05:30And I really admire that.
05:32I feel like you, you know, it's never even a question of, like, who comes first.
05:35It's, like, the family.
05:36Like, I have that trust.
05:37I know I'm not.
05:38Okay.
05:40Listen, I refuse to cry.
05:41I'm not gonna cry.
05:42I'm not gonna cry.
05:43What do you love about me?
05:45I mean, aside from you being, like, one of my biggest inspirations,
05:52you know, I feel like you've always had my back.
05:54Like, no matter what.
05:56Like, even from when we were kids.
05:58Like, you know, I'm sure I was, like, the annoying sister
06:00who just wanted to be up your butt and, like, literally do everything that you do.
06:04But, like, I feel like you've never pushed me away.
06:07It's just that unconditional love and support that you've shared with me my whole life
06:12that just makes our relationship what it is.
06:15And I'm just so appreciative of you.
06:16Aw, I'm appreciative of you, too.
06:18Aw, I love you.
06:19Aw, I love you.
06:20Aw, I love you.
06:20Aw, love you, Ricky.
06:21I love you too.
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