00:00Teams are in meetings right now, so my phone will start working at the end of this week.
00:10I plan on by next week, we're going to have some of this stuff wired up.
00:15But I've got teams right now in meetings.
00:17There's a couple of questions that I want to ask these.
00:20I want to find out exactly the whole thing with downs.
00:24You know, get my gang of seven, my general manager friends,
00:28and say, listen, downs, best player, does he get to 12?
00:32Is that the way I should ask the question to these guys?
00:35Does downs get to 12?
00:37Or is there anybody else that we need to kind of know about?
00:40Isn't downs the guy we're kind of...
00:42I think styles is going.
00:45I do too.
00:45I think styles is going before you pick.
00:47I mean, Bain, you know, just would they take Bain at 12?
00:51Do you think they'd take Bain?
00:52Take Bain at 12.
00:53How far do you think Bain could slide?
00:54Okay, so the Bain at 12, Bain slide, and downs, where do you think downs?
01:00Not where he ends up, but do you think he gets to 12, right?
01:03That's kind of what we need to know, right?
01:05Yes.
01:05I think that would help us.
01:06Absolutely.
01:06I think that would be great intel.
01:08I think that would help us a lot.
01:10All right, Willie, I'm going to start with you on this one.
01:12I have some questions that I've just kind of come up with, and I always appreciate your
01:18guys' answer because it makes me think.
01:20Can you...
01:21Why do you think so many teams ahead of you want to trade out?
01:27Yeah, I think a lot of it is, you know, this draft at the top is not your consensus, you
01:33know, typical.
01:34You've got left tackles that'll go.
01:37So you've only got really, like, one elite edge because Arbel reaches a projection, right?
01:43I don't know.
01:43Some teams might have him as a linebacker.
01:45Others might have him as an edge.
01:47Ruben Bain and I would have him in that conversation, but it doesn't sound like the NFL circles do.
01:51So that means you only have David Bailey.
01:53You've got a right tackle, not a left tackle.
01:56And I know Bobby's thrown out, like, Jordan Tyson to him is, like, Malik Nabors comp.
02:01I don't think any of these wide receivers are sniffing Malik Nabors-esque territory to
02:06me.
02:06So Bobby's hearing that, and this makes...
02:09That's just his personal opinion.
02:10Oh, I thought...
02:11That's just his personal opinion.
02:12I thought Bobby was talking to me.
02:14I was getting excited.
02:15He thinks Jordan Tyson's, like, as good as Malik Nabors.
02:16Well, that's my best receiver.
02:18That's why I was excited to hear that.
02:20I don't think that he is anywhere close to as good as what a Malik Nabors, and even Marvin
02:25Harrison Jr.
02:25Like, I don't think...
02:26I think Ted Rowe McMillan's the top receiver in this draft if he was in it.
02:30Yeah.
02:30You know, so I just think you have a drop of the top consensus players, and a lot of
02:35it in Jamon McCoy's got a knee.
02:36So I think you're looking at teams that are like, man, we really want a left tackle, but
02:40I can't take a left tackle in the top eight and justify it.
02:44So I think that's why you have a lot of teams that are looking to bail out of here.
02:47I can kind of feel like that Malinoah could play left tackle if he had to.
02:50Okay.
02:50I think so.
02:51I think he's got the feet and the power and stuff like that.
02:54I think he's definitely the best option for you, but there's only one.
02:57And you've got, what, three or four teams that would like a tackle?
03:00Sure.
03:01Maybe Tennessee.
03:02Definitely Cleveland.
03:03So there's just not enough players that are at your premium positions that typically go
03:08in the top ten to justify these teams staying and picking.
03:11So if you can back out of there, I think a lot of teams would love to do that.
03:15Dawson, do you have a thought of why all these teams ahead of you don't want to stand in
03:19there and pick?
03:20Yeah, I think Wolchuk just nailed it.
03:22And what it comes down to is it's a reach compared to the value, compared to the slots.
03:29I think when it comes to the wide receivers, the tackles, and the edges.
03:34I think the best group from the premium positions is the corners.
03:39But we've got some questions about them, though, right?
03:41Right, with McCauley.
03:42Yeah.
03:42I guess.
03:43Harrell?
03:44Is he a 4-6 guy?
03:46Yeah.
03:47My guy Chris Johnson now finally is getting elevated, right?
03:50No, Chris Johnson's getting elevated.
03:50Now you're starting to hear he could be the third guy off the board.
03:53I'm like, all right, well, good.
03:54I've got him as my corner three.
03:56But historical comps, like the two best wide receivers, don't compare to most drafts' two
04:03best wide receivers.
04:04And you could say that about the tackles and the edges, and I guess even the corners.
04:08Although the corners, I think I would feel the best about.
04:10Maybe the safeties would be next.
04:12And then your linebackers, probably, with Sonny Stiles headlining that thing.
04:16So the positional value spots that teams really want to take in the top 10, because the discount
04:22is so massive, it's just not there.
04:25Yeah, that's what it is, man.
04:26Lack of quarterbacks, offensive tackles, wide receivers, and that's what it comes down to.
04:31So everybody's just like, they want to get out of there because they just don't see the
04:34quality there, right?
04:36Yeah.
04:36Yeah, no, we can get similar players much farther back.
04:41So, yeah, it's a great spot to be in.
04:44I think if you're the Cowboys wanting to get into the middle of the top 10, that's probably
04:47why Wolchuk's so confident.
04:49Yeah.
04:49Because so many teams are willing to do this.
04:52And it's going to be interesting how much below actual trade value they're able to get
04:58a deal done for.
04:59Yeah, this is a quantity, not quality draft.
05:02Yeah, you want to get more picks.
05:04So you definitely, if you had your druthers, you would move back 12 and back 20.
05:12I'm open to the idea being that we're potentially getting a discount to move up.
05:17Like, in general, I'm not trying to trade up unless I'm going to get a quarterback that
05:20I love or I'm a team that's right on the cusp and I'm like kind of one player away,
05:26you know, if I can fool myself into thinking that.
05:27But generally, yeah, I want to trade down.
05:29And I'm comfortable trading down here.
05:31If for whatever reason it's too pricey to move up, then I'd rather trade down than just
05:35stay at 12 and 20.
05:37But to do the Cleveland trade and just 12 for 6 and 20 for 39, to me that's a no
05:44-brainer.
05:45Yeah.
05:45I think it's perfect.
05:46See, this is where I kind of feel like going up, you had the value.
05:50I had somebody today tweet at me and say, hey, you're beating this trade-up thing into
05:57the ground.
05:58You know, what about trading back?
06:00Is there any value trading back?
06:02And I'm like, everybody wants to bail.
06:06This is when you need to go forward.
06:08When everybody's wanting to get out of there, go find somebody that's willing.
06:13Go find somebody like Dallas when they drafted Travis Frederick.
06:17And they bailed from 18 to 30 and left a second-round pick on the table.
06:23Yeah, it was San Francisco.
06:24San Francisco, right.
06:26You know, you just completely bailed out of there and you had a chance to recoup a second-round
06:33pick and all you took was a third?
06:36That's, to me, that's when everybody's talking about getting out.
06:41I want to go up there and say, okay, what are you guys so scared of to come up here
06:45and
06:45draft?
06:46I mean, if I could get, if I could get Delane, because if you're not going to take McCoy,
06:52if I could get a Delane, if I, the Stiles thing again, we keep talking about that, that
06:57doesn't seem, but man, if I could go get Downs or somebody like that and it might not cost
07:04me as much to do, I'm talking about it.
07:07Yeah.
07:07I'm not interested in going back.
07:09I'm interested in going up if people are like, hey, we'll sell this to you for pennies on
07:15the dollar.
07:16Yeah.
07:16Yeah.
07:17The Cowboys are in a spot now where with Dak being the age that he is and this window
07:23being two or three years left in it, you're not building for the long term.
07:26You don't need to have great value.
07:28You need to fill problems on your roster.
07:31And if you've got to overpay a little bit to get certainty there, I think it makes sense
07:35for the Cowboys in so many ways because of the age of Dak, because they're picking at
07:4012, you know, it just, it lines up that this is the year and we know how much the Cowboys
07:46like to trade in the draft anyway.
07:47Yeah.
07:48And this, you say overpay, but you might be able to underpay and accomplish it.
07:52100%.
07:53Which makes it even more reasonable.
07:54That's where, that's where, is everybody's, like I keep saying this, everybody's talking
07:58about moving back.
08:00How are you going to move back?
08:01What's that?
08:02Like, that's the thing.
08:02I mean, when you talk about moving back, you've got to have somebody that teams want
08:06to move.
08:06That's why, I was asking Hagee that in the cross talk.
08:10Who's moving up?
08:11Like, tell me, tell me who you're, tell me who you're targeting there.
08:15Yeah.
08:16Tell me if you're going back, if you're going back, who are you going away from to take
08:23maybe a lesser player?
08:25And there, it might not be a lesser player.
08:27I mean, but, but who, tell me, tell me the pocket of players you're, if I'm the
08:32team like the Rams, all these, I keep saying this, all these good drafting teams, I'm going
08:38to take advantage of you if you want to move back.
08:41Because I'm going to go up there and take a player, and now you're going to be left with
08:46like, wow, this doesn't look very nice back here.
08:50This doesn't look very good.
08:52You know?
08:53Wow.
08:53We traded away from maybe a question mark to this?
08:59It comes down to your probability.
09:00What is the percentage chance that you're going to hit?
09:03I mean, inside the top 10, it is much higher than the last 10.
09:07Yeah, Dallas definitely, Dallas definitely plays the game of, you put them inside the
09:13top 12, they kind of figure it out.
09:15Yeah, they're good at that.
09:16You put them in the 20s, it's a little bit of a, a little bit of a crapshoot for them.
09:22So I, man, I'm at least calling these teams.
09:26I'm not, and I know the guy says, well, you're beating a dead horse.
09:30I'm like, no, I'm trying to go get the best players, what I'm trying to do.
09:33Well, I mean, you're doing a heck of a job reading the room and how this thing is flowing.
09:37And you know at 12 right now, you're either going to have to take a guy that you don't
09:42want to take, reach for a guy that should go at 20, but you're like, crap, we need a defensive
09:47player, or take an offensive guy.
09:49Yeah, it's just, it's not lining up with the Cowboys' needs at all.
09:51These are like, you know, me, this is going to sound crazy.
09:56I would rather trade up and not take Falk at 12.
10:00Oh, I agree with you.
10:01How about that?
10:02And I feel fine with Falk at 20.
10:03That's me.
10:04Like, if you told me that they're just going to sit there and take Falk at 12, then I'm
10:09going to go.
10:10That's what I think they're probably doing right now.
10:12It's a nice player, but don't you have Falk in Rashawn Gary?
10:15Isn't that kind of the same player?
10:18Yeah, it's similar.
10:18I mean, I think Falk is, to me, I think Devin Clowney, he reminds me a lot of that type
10:22of player.
10:23Yeah.
10:23You know, he's really good against the run.
10:24I think he's kind of Demarcus Lawrence.
10:26I don't know that he's ever going to have even the sack numbers that Tank did at his peak.
10:30I don't think he's a dumb player.
10:31I think Falk's a good player.
10:32This is not a twitchy, this is a 6'6", 285-pound guy.
10:36Yeah.
10:36Yeah.
10:36I think he's going to create for others.
10:38I think, as a Rocky, other players on your defense benefit from a player like Falk.
10:42See, I can't take that at 12.
10:43But I agree with you, man.
10:44I can't take that at 12.
10:45I can justify that at 20.
10:46I would rather, yeah, I would rather go up.
10:48I would rather go up.
10:50And if you told me, listen, you could go up and get your guy, or you could sit there at
10:5412 and take one of those guys that you're kind of just much better later in the draft
11:00than at 12.
11:01Especially when it's just pick swaps.
11:03Yeah.
11:03You know, if you're not having to give up any picks inside the top 100.
11:06I'm going to...
11:06I'm going to...
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