00:00Albert Breer with a great NFL mailbag, and the Cowboys were touched on a few times.
00:06Let's talk about Kenny Moore.
00:08So last week it came out that the Colts defensive back has worked it out with the team that he
00:15could be traded.
00:16Mutual understanding. Let's try to make something work.
00:20The Colts and Moore agreed to explore a deal after the team captain has been there for nine years in
00:29Indianapolis.
00:30So obviously he's not a young pup. I think we're talking about 31. Actually 30.
00:35Albert Breer. First of all, he's still a good football player.
00:38Moore had six pass breakups, an interception, one and a half sacks, and three tackles for loss in 14 games
00:44last season.
00:44As you would expect from a guy who has been a captain four times, he's also a front-of-the
00:50-room type
00:50who was nominated by the team for the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award the past two years.
00:56I love that. His position has taken on greater importance across the league.
01:01How much has Bobby and everyone else talked about the nickel spot in Christian Parker's defense?
01:07Guys who were once purely nickels playing part-time are now viewed as starters.
01:11As for potential landing spots, Breer writes, I think Dallas would be one,
01:16with the nickel being an important piece in CP's defense and the Cowboys having a hole after Jordan Lewis.
01:23The Vikings are another potential fit with Moore's versatility meshing, at least on paper,
01:28with Brian Flores and how he builds his D.
01:31Moore will turn 31 in August, is in a contract year, so that will drive down his value some,
01:37but if the price was a day three pick on the higher end and I had a need like Dallas
01:41and Minnesota,
01:42I would probably do it.
01:45I think it makes a lot of sense if they were to get involved on that just because of, yeah,
01:50he is,
01:50you want to talk about Jerry has spoken a lot about that nickel spot this offseason.
01:57With J. Lou regret.
01:58Yeah, specifically like identifying Jordan Lewis as like, yeah, like we messed up there.
02:04And Brian Schottenheimer talking about, yeah, you know, we saw Jordan Lewis go off.
02:07That's clearly like been on their mind, that spot.
02:10So I think you get somebody in here like Kenny Moore who is a very good nickel
02:14and has been a good nickel in the NFL now for several years.
02:17He's been in the NFL like 10 years.
02:18So he's somebody who I think would be a really good fit for what they're trying to do.
02:23And then if you were able to swap a late round pick, get a veteran in here at the nickel,
02:27that also changes the landscape of how you attack the draft.
02:31Comp?
02:35Probably, I would think, fourth or fifth.
02:38Okay.
02:38So let's take our day two selections real quick.
02:41All right.
02:41And let's talk about the veterans in the league and what you're willing to give up and give away.
02:48And again, your topic of picks for players or players for picks.
02:52Jordan Brooks for a three, you're willing to do both?
02:56And Kenny Moore for a four, you're willing to give away a three and a four?
03:02Or if you had one choice between the two, which one would you execute?
03:09I'd have to know who they get at the top.
03:11So if Styles slid to them, for instance, and they were able to take Styles,
03:15well, then my answer becomes Kenny Moore.
03:16If they're able to get downs, then it'd be Jordan Brooks.
03:18So I would think it's more likely they could get downs.
03:23So at that point, I would guess the likelier pairing would be downs,
03:27you keep your third, and then you swap a fourth or a fifth or more.
03:30Hot take here.
03:31I don't think it's a hot take.
03:34What have we always said about defensive players?
03:37They play defense.
03:38We want them to be a little crazy.
03:42Do we want a Walter Payton man of the year on defense?
03:45Well, I don't think we say that for all defensive players.
03:47We say that for, you know, a DN.
03:50Yeah.
03:50You remember Daryl Green, right?
03:52Maybe a linebacker.
03:53Before my time, really.
03:55I definitely don't want idiots at like a football dumb like we had last year.
03:59No, that's for damn sure.
04:00It's just like I don't want my defenseman in hockey to win the Lady Bing.
04:03That's the gentleman's sportsmanship.
04:05You know, I want somebody dirty.
04:06I kind of want somebody dirty on defense in the NFL.
04:10But you're talking about a late-round pick,
04:12and you're talking about somebody who's a smarter player.
04:14I mean, the guys that have won it are Bobby Wagner, Eric Armstead,
04:19Cam Hayward, Dak Prescott, Calais Campbell, J.J. Watts.
04:24Definitely don't want J.J.
04:25Yeah, Anquan Bolden, Charles Tillman, Jason Witt.
04:28We ain't talking about bums.
04:29No, they're not bums.
04:30They're not bums.
04:31Yeah, I mean, you know, this is the,
04:34obviously you said the mention of the players for picks,
04:35picks for players, conversation, not controversy, conversation.
04:42And if you're talking about late-round guys,
04:45I think, to me, late-round picks are the absolute throwaways.
04:49Are you qualifying a fourth as that?
04:51Yes.
04:52Yes.
04:52I start that in my mind with a fifth.
04:54Okay.
04:54I still have some legit hope that a fourth can work,
04:57and then when we get to a fifth, I'm like,
04:59it's not going to work anyway.
05:00That's just in my mind.
05:02Yeah, no, for sure.
05:02And now, like, I don't want the team to think that.
05:05I want that, right?
05:06You know, I want the team generally to think,
05:07oh, no, I can find good value anywhere.
05:10But I also don't want the team to be holding on to fourth, fifth, sixth,
05:13seventh-rounders like they're gold.
05:15I think the going rate for a solid corner who's aging a little bit
05:20is roughly around a fifth.
05:22That's what Gilmore went for a couple years ago.
05:24We've seen some of these other veteran corners in their 30s go for about a fifth.
05:27Yeah, I don't even think I'm doing a fourth.
05:30And if it comes down to Brooks for a third, and if it was a fourth for Kenny Moore,
05:35I'm not doing the fourth for Kenny Moore.
05:37He's 31 and has one year left.
05:40Jordan Brooks, I would at least hope I can give him the N'Kobe Dean or Quay Walker deal.
05:45He's 28.
05:46So let's go ahead and re-sign that.
05:48But a 31-year-old corner, one year left, fourth, a little bit too rich.
05:53If I'm throwing a fifth, okay, I'd prefer Brooks even at the higher cost.
05:56And I am not a PFF fan, as we know.
05:59But just for baseline reference, these are his grades throughout his career.
06:0465-9, 68-7, 75-5, 73-8, 66-6, 55-7, 76-8, 70.1, 66.7.
06:13He's been basically like 65 and above as a corner for his whole career.
06:17Okay.
06:17Which is, that's pretty solid.
06:19Let me ask this.
06:22Should all these things be worked out on the clock or after the draft?
06:27If I told you that the Cowboys, would you prefer them work out a deal for Jordan Brooks today?
06:33I'm not saying any of this is going to happen.
06:36And does that still keep you in play, possibly, for a Styles move up or taking a linebacker?
06:41Or let's see what happens with Downs.
06:43Let's see what happens with Delane.
06:44Let's see what happens with Styles.
06:46And then we can mess with Jordan Brooks, Kenny Moores, whoever is going to be expendable to their team after
06:52they make their picks.
06:54Because if you go and get Jordan Brooks, then you can draft pure.
06:58You can be pure and you're not locked into absolutely anything out of need.
07:02I think as a rule, if I get a player for a fifth-round pick, I'm not going to let
07:08that alter my first-round selection.
07:10I'm still going to go get the better.
07:12If I get the same position that I just got for a fifth, I'm not going to let that impact.
07:18But just in the same way that if I draft a receiver in the first round, I'm not going to
07:25let that impact if I draft a receiver in the sixth round.
07:29I'm not going to let that impact it because it's a long play.
07:32I think that...
07:33Not for this team.
07:34It's a win now.
07:35I think most teams approach it as they want to see what they get on both sides.
07:40So I think the Dolphins would want to look and see how does the draft play out for us before
07:44we go purging somebody.
07:45And I think on Dallas's or anybody else's side, they look at it and go,
07:49all right, let's see what we're able to address.
07:51If we're able to get Sonny Stiles by some miracle, well, did we really want to give up the third
07:54rounder then for Brooks?
07:56So I think that's why...
07:57Especially if you give up something, you would have to give up something to move up.
08:01You may have to give up your third to move up to get Stiles.
08:04Yeah, exactly.
08:04And so there's...
08:05I'm waiting.
08:06I think everybody kind of sits and waits.
08:08I think Kenny Moore and...
08:10We don't know with certainty yet that the Dolphins wouldn't move Jordan Brooks.
08:13And so, I mean, it sounds like the Colts would move Kenny Moore, but the Jordan Brooks stuff,
08:19I would imagine everybody's just going to kind of sit back, see how the draft plays out,
08:22and then address it if they want to.
08:23More of the latest from Albert Breer from Sports Illustrated, NFL Insider, used to work here in the Metroplex.
08:29There's a reason why a consensus seems to be crystallizing that David Bailey will be the second pick in the
08:35draft.
08:36They need that for the owner and to give the locker room reason to keep grinding along,
08:41whereas Arbel Reese, not an affront to him, but of the two, Bailey is clearly the more win-now, plug
08:48-and-play type dude.
08:50Where with Reese, you must have a plan to use and develop him at positions.
08:53He has great ability, but not much experience at.
08:57There's not a lot of that with Bailey.
08:59His ceiling is not as high as Reese's, but no one has to close their eyes and conjure up a
09:04vision for what he'll be as a pro.
09:05No quote from an executive, he's maybe as physically gifted as anyone in the draft, but it's time on task.
09:12He's never spent a ton of time at one spot off the ball.
09:15He's got a ton of ability, can rush the passer, probably where his greatest value is.
09:19You want to have a vision for that guy.
09:21And the reason we're even talking about this, number one, Texas Tech,
09:24but number two, all the Cowboy rumors of them moving up to get either Bailey and maybe even Reese.
09:30And Albert Breer paints a nice picture, in my opinion, for the Cowboys if they do want to trade up.
09:36Because he said these teams are looking to move down.
09:39Arizona, Tennessee, the Giants, Cleveland, and the Commanders.
09:46The problem for those five is finding teams to move up.
09:50It sounds like the Cowboys want to.
09:53Albert Breer also throws the Saints into the mix.
09:55The Cowboys could view Reese like they did Parsons in 2021.
09:59On the draft value chart, the 12th and 20th picks.
10:03Oh my God, an insider actually used the chart, unlike some others.
10:07The 12th and 20th picks add up to 2,050 points, which is in between the value of the third
10:15and fourth picks.
10:16Would Arizona take a slight discount or ask Dallas for their third rounder,
10:21which would leave the Cowboys with just one pick in the top 100?
10:23It's interesting to ponder.
10:26I mean, if there's, you know, like the way these teams, the way I think they're doing it now
10:33is more positional value based on the chart as opposed to just the raw numbers.
10:38You know, if you're going up for a quarterback, you're going to pay a premium.
10:40If you're going up for somebody that's not a quarterback, you may get a bit of a bonus,
10:43unless there's, you know, this elite all-time player.
10:47It hasn't always.
10:48So like in recent history, going up generally is just where are you going up?
10:52They tax you.
10:53So if you're going up into the top 10, like typically they are going to put like a 10%
10:57tax on you.
10:57If you're, because we've seen instances of going up for a quarterback is about even on the trade chart.
11:01For JJ McCarthy was that way.
11:04There was another one who was like that.
11:06Lance, they paid a premium, but they were also going up to three.
11:08And so like 14 or whatever, I think they went up from 12, which is where Dallas is.
11:13And Breer finishes at this point.
11:15And I think this is good for us for teams picking that high.
11:18It's going to be challenging to find partners to move into that range.
11:21It's more likely we'll get more movement in the middle of the first round than we do at the top.
11:26The other player who can inspire trade is Jeremiah Love.
11:31So there we go with Albert Breer's notebook.
11:34Trading up, trading up for what a time to be alive.
11:38Linebackers in the top five, maybe safeties in the top five.
11:42Trading up for running back and a Texas Tech defensive player might be the first one off the board.
11:49It is more likely than not.
11:52I think at this point that they go up Dallas, just because I don't think that the board's going to
11:56fall for them the way they want.
11:57I think they're going to sit there on draft night, watch it and go.
12:00All right, let's go.
12:01Like, let's find somebody.
12:02But does that mean that Arizona is too early in the draft for them to know that where the boards
12:07are going to be?
12:08So they wouldn't make that move and they would maybe make the move to go up to six or nine?
12:13You start hearing, I think, a little bit about you'll get a call from Arizona and then maybe they're bluffing.
12:20But they'll tell you, hey, so-and-so wants to come up and get this.
12:22Or they'll get a sense of the Titans want to do this.
12:24And they'll have an idea.
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