00:00I don't know where you stand on Ty Simpson.
00:01Are you into the Ty Simpson experience or are you not?
00:04I'm into Ty Simpson if it's the right place to draft him.
00:07Oh, so you're like in like a 39 type range.
00:10You're good.
00:10Yeah, I mean, like, I wouldn't want him at 39 personally,
00:14but if the Browns took him at 39,
00:17understanding the context of their situation,
00:18I would understand it, if that makes sense.
00:21Whenever you need a quarterback,
00:23I understand where you maybe sometimes have to overdraft one
00:26if they end up really liking Ty Simpson.
00:27My biggest thing with Ty Simpson is, however the Browns feel about him,
00:32just do not take him in the first round.
00:33Because to me, he's not worth that.
00:35I think you're going to be right back drafting a quarterback next year probably,
00:38and I think next year's class has a little more promise than this one obviously does.
00:41And I just don't think it's worth wasting a first-round pick
00:44when you've got other things you need to address on this roster on Ty Simpson.
00:48But once you get into the second round,
00:50I'd probably more so lean like, okay, he'd be a third-round pick for me,
00:54but if he's there in the second round, the Browns decide they have to have him
00:57because they like him enough, then I guess I could understand it.
01:00Well, and if you take him in the first round,
01:01you're telling everyone what you plan to do with him,
01:03and now he's...
01:04Yeah, I mean, he starts sooner rather than later?
01:06For sure.
01:06And I just don't think he's ready to start right away.
01:09I don't.
01:09I think he needs time.
01:10I just don't think he's got...
01:12He didn't have enough time in college.
01:13Oh, he had a lot of time in college.
01:14He didn't have enough starts in college as part of the problem.
01:16And I feel like he's like two or three years away from actually doing something
01:20and being something if he ever actually achieves that.
01:23Phil Simms, though, had a comp for Ty Simpson.
01:26And let me know if you thought this one actually helps out Ty Simpson's case
01:29or makes it worse.
01:30Here we go.
01:31There's two things you can't deny about Ty Simpson.
01:34He has a really, really good NFL arm, and he's very athletic.
01:40He runs around.
01:41He makes plays.
01:42He's tough as hell.
01:43All that.
01:44And I was trying to think of who is he in the NFL, and I came up with Bo Nix.
01:49That's about the only...
01:50That was, I thought, the closest I could get.
01:53You know, guys that move around well.
01:54He's a little better athlete, I think, moving than Bo Nix is.
01:58But I think Bo Nix is just...
02:00He plays big, throws it down the field, and those are things that work well,
02:06I think, with Ty Simpson.
02:07So that was courtesy of ESPN New York.
02:09The problem I have with that, Spencer, is the idea that
02:11I don't think we could take on a Bo Nix.
02:14I think what worked with Bo Nix was not only the idea that he had Sean Payton,
02:17who is really good when it comes to quarterbacks.
02:20Maybe Munkin ends up becoming that.
02:21I can't base anything off of what I know off of Munkin right now, though.
02:25And so you have one of the...
02:27A Super Bowl-winning head coach, and you have a situation where they have
02:30one of the best offensive lines in the sport.
02:32R.J. Harvey was sensational in the backfield last year.
02:34They have all sorts of wide receivers basically everywhere.
02:37Like, I don't know that we can replicate what Denver has.
02:41We're not in a spot to take somebody if it's going to be like a Bo Nix situation
02:46where you can just plop them in and go.
02:47I think we're driving towards that.
02:49I think that's the goal.
02:50But we're not there right now.
02:52I think the biggest problem with that comp is Bo Nix played, what, six years in college?
02:58He played a million years, and he played everywhere.
02:59It felt like every year we were having a conversation about this guy's still here.
03:03Like, how long has he been in college football?
03:06And obviously we know the big gripe with Ty Simpson,
03:08and one that I certainly subscribe to, is that he's only started 15 games.
03:12And to me, that's alarming.
03:14It's not that I don't think he can become something either.
03:16Like, maybe if he...
03:17I think a lot of it has to be about circumstance, though.
03:20And I've continually said, Ty Simpson's going to be better served
03:23from ending up somewhere...
03:25Like the Rams, for example.
03:27There was a lot of smoke around them when they had two firsts trading up
03:30to maybe get him.
03:30That makes a lot of sense.
03:31Yeah, Rams, Steelers, one of those type of teams.
03:32Because it's like, oh, he can sit.
03:34He doesn't have to play immediately because Matt Stafford's there,
03:36and they're chasing a Super Bowl right now.
03:38But if he comes to Cleveland, and especially if he's a first-round pick,
03:42that tells you we think highly enough of him that he's going to start sooner
03:46rather than later.
03:47And I just think that that would be awful for him, his situation.
03:51It probably doesn't pan out, unless Todd Munkin really is like the quarterback whisperer
03:55that maybe some people think he is.
03:56Well, yeah, but so what I want to focus on, though, is the idea that...
03:59And I'm using maybe less Bo Nix to comp, more Bo Nix in the situation.
04:03Bo Nix is a success, not because I think Bo Nix is great at football.
04:06Bo Nix is a success because look at the players they have in Denver.
04:10Look at the team they have in Denver.
04:12Again, really good defense, but best offensive line,
04:14and one of the better offensive lines in the sport.
04:16It was, at one point last year, like week 11,
04:19the rated the best offensive line.
04:20I think it's settled in somewhere in the top five.
04:23But they have Cortland Sutton.
04:24And they have Jalen Waddell now to that mix.
04:26They have a good backfield.
04:27Like, all the pieces that are there is what makes Bo Nix work.
04:31And so this brings up what Todd McShay had to say.
04:34And Todd McShay, on his own podcast, was talking about the little nugget
04:38that I took out of this was what exactly the Browns are trying to do.
04:41And you hear this, and you tell me if you think this supports Ty Simpson
04:45being taken right now instead of a quarterback in 2027.
04:48Already buzzed with, like, Manning Passing Academy about the 2027 quarterback class.
04:53And so it's coming from everywhere, right?
04:56Like, everywhere I turn.
04:57And we'll get to the way-too-early mock draft a couple days after this draft.
05:01And it doesn't take away from anything that's going on in this class.
05:04But there are some teams that are looking ahead to 2027,
05:07and we're questioning, like, Cleveland Browns.
05:10Don't think you're taking two first-round picks to quarterback this year.
05:14Let's build this team out.
05:16Let's get a weapon.
05:17Let's get protection.
05:18Let's get it ready for 2027.
05:20And it's that part I want to focus on.
05:22Like, the Browns aren't in a spot to take somebody like Ty Simpson.
05:25And so it is kind of like a square-packed round hole
05:29where we're talking so much about Ty Simpson.
05:32This isn't it for him.
05:33This is not the environment, and this is not what they're trying to do.
05:36That first Arch Manning way-too-early mock draft to the Browns
05:41is going to hit different, I'll tell you.
05:43I'll say that right now.
05:44I didn't get in front of it.
05:44But, no, I think in that regard, I do think you're 100% correct,
05:48which is why I say he's better served to go somewhere else
05:51because I just don't think the infrastructure here is set up for –
05:56and this is – I'm kind of excluding Todd Munkin from this for now
05:59because we've never seen him be a head coach.
06:01We don't know.
06:02And he has had success other places with offenses
06:05and building certain things,
06:07and he always talks about playing the guy's strengths.
06:08So it's not that I think he couldn't set Ty Simpson up
06:11to try to tap into what he does well.
06:13I do kind of trust him that way.
06:15He's got to show me that he is that guy before I make him that guy.
06:19Right.
06:19So I think – I'm not giving him a pass per se,
06:23but I'm not necessarily saying that him being here is a reason why it can't work.
06:27But I think everything else around him that you allude to, JP,
06:29100% is the reason it can't work.
06:31Offensive line situation, they're trying to rebuild this thing,
06:34and we don't know what that's going to look like yet.
06:36The wide receiver room, they had a whole bunch of guys
06:39that just dropped passes last year.
06:41Are they going to actually fix it with guys they draft this year?
06:43Like, what's that going to look like?
06:44You have a few pieces you feel happy about with Quinn Sean
06:48and obviously Harrow Fanon Jr.,
06:49but there's just too many questions right now.
06:51And, again, this all just adds up to, I think,
06:55something we've all talked about,
06:56the timeline for a quarterback being next year,
06:59as Todd McShay alluded to.
07:00It all just points to you shouldn't take one this year.
07:03If you think too early,
07:06I'm not saying don't take one this year at all,
07:08but if you're going to take one in the first two rounds,
07:11that's somebody that you're probably starting sooner
07:13rather than later,
07:13and I just don't think that that makes sense for the time
07:15that the Browns are on right now.
07:17All signs point to 2027 is the year
07:19that you find your quarterback.
07:21Yeah, which has me scared,
07:22because all signs point to 2027
07:23being the place that you would do this,
07:26but the Browns sometimes pivot,
07:28and they go in their own little direction,
07:29and they take things and just kind of,
07:31Andrew Barry worries me a little bit in this,
07:33and do I think they'll take Ty Simpson at 6 or 24?
07:36No, I don't,
07:37but there's been way too many people chatting about it
07:39over the previous 24 hours
07:40that I have to at least register it.
07:42I have to at least consider it.
07:44I just, I would be...
07:45It doesn't make much sense to me.
07:46I can't tell you how it doesn't make much sense
07:48to me anymore,
07:49but it just,
07:50at least what you're talking about
07:52and then what I'm talking about
07:54with building this team for 2027,
07:56and then you take your quarterback and your go,
07:58that seems like a logical plan.
08:00The problem here is that the Browns
08:01have never given me a logical plan.
08:03Yeah.
08:03I just,
08:04I would be stunned
08:06if they,
08:07like,
08:07six seems absolutely out of the question.
08:09I know you sometimes have to overdraft quarterbacks.
08:11I get it,
08:12but he,
08:12like him being a top 10 pick
08:14would be insane to me.
08:15Well, we had another guy come on the station.
08:16Baskin and Phelps had Daniel Jeremiah on today,
08:18and he thinks there's only one quarterback
08:20in the first round.
08:21He's not the only person to think this,
08:22but listen to this.
08:23Mendoza is my number one player,
08:24and my next quarterback is Ty Simpson at 38,
08:26so that's a pretty significant drop-off,
08:29and when you're also talking about him at 38,
08:31you're not talking about somebody
08:32with some,
08:33you know,
08:34prototypical dimensions and experience,
08:36so there's a little bit of a gamble
08:37on both those fronts,
08:38so that's why I've,
08:40you know,
08:40through the process so far,
08:41I have not had a quarterback
08:42outside of Mendoza go in the first round.
08:45Now,
08:45I do think Arizona's a team to keep an eye on,
08:47and they're picking 34 top of the second round
08:50if they wanted to come back in
08:51and lock it in.
08:53I could see that happening.
08:54You know,
08:54the Rams have been another rumored team.
08:56I just can't get there,
08:57you know,
08:58thinking how close they are
08:59to poisten a trophy.
09:01That they would be,
09:01you know,
09:02taking a player for a year or two from now
09:04would be hard for me to fathom,
09:05so that's the team.
09:07I mean,
09:07I'd be surprised it was anybody
09:08other than the Cardinals
09:10that pulled the trigger
09:10in the first round.
09:12And that's not too dissimilar
09:14to what Albert Breer
09:15has been telling us for a while,
09:16that he can't find anybody
09:17that has him in the first round.
09:18Albert was right last year
09:19about Chador.
09:20I think he's going to be right
09:21about Ty Simpson, too.
09:22I would say so, too.
09:22My feeling right now
09:23on Ty Simpson,
09:25not that we shouldn't have
09:26the conversation,
09:27by the way,
09:27because I think it's worth
09:28talking about,
09:29and it's fun for a sports radio fodder.
09:32But my feeling is like
09:34we'll look back
09:35and be like,
09:36man,
09:36can you believe
09:37we were talking about Ty Simpson
09:38as a potential first-round pick
09:40for any team?
09:40Ha, ha, ha.
09:41What time to be alive that was.
09:43That's what it feels like to me.
09:44You got like a Woody
09:45and Toy Story type laugh there.
09:46I am watching a lot
09:47of Toy Story in my house.
09:48I am watching a lot
09:49of Toy Story in my house.
09:49How do you think I picked up on it
09:50that it was a Woody
09:51from Toy Story laugh?
09:52I don't know if it was
09:53intentionally meant to sound like that,
09:54but it just kind of came out.
09:55I do love that part, though,
09:57where he's like,
09:57hey, look, I'm Woody.
09:59Anyway.
10:00But yeah,
10:01I think
10:04all signs to me
10:05point to Ty Simpson
10:06is going to end up
10:06being somebody
10:07that's still available
10:08in the second round,
10:09and then all this conversation
10:10will kind of just be like
10:11funny that we look back on it.
10:13We know they love value, right?
10:15What do the Browns love?
10:15They love value.
10:16Part of why Shadour
10:17was taken in the fifth round
10:18is the value attached to it.
10:19If he's there at 39,
10:21maybe they'll completely
10:22change their plans
10:23and take Ty Simpson
10:24because they think
10:24the value is too high there.
10:26Or maybe there's a team
10:27That's scary to me.
10:27Maybe there's a team
10:28that wants that fifth-year option
10:29so they trade up
10:30into the first
10:30to get him at the end
10:31of day one.
10:32These things are all
10:33very much possibilities.
10:34I get it.
10:35I agree with Daniel.
10:37Before you played that clip,
10:38I was pulling up
10:38his latest top 50
10:39to see where he was.
10:41He has him at 38,
10:41like you said.
10:42I think that's probably
10:43about where he's at,
10:44which is why, like I said,
10:45if they took him
10:45in the second round,
10:46I'd get it.
10:47I wouldn't love it.
10:48But as a team
10:49that doesn't have
10:49a quarterback, fine.
10:51But if, yeah,
10:52if it's in the first round
10:52for me, I'm out.
10:54I'm good.
10:54I'm good.
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