00:00How do they win tonight? I think it's pretty simple. You take a wide receiver, you probably
00:03take a Cardinal Tate, and that's a win tonight. If you take an offensive lineman, there will be
00:07enough people that just don't love it because they don't love taking offensive linemen and
00:12they think that part of the game is boring. I'm not one of those people, but there are enough
00:15people out there that are like that. That won't be the obvious win. The obvious win for the
00:20Browns tonight is at 6 overall, you take Cardinal Tate, you hit the double off the wall, and you
00:25send the fans home happy. It's also kind of my lock it in. Okay, good. Are you ready
00:30to lock it in now? I think I am ready to lock it in. To me, it's not about where
00:35do the
00:35Browns draft, do they stay at 6, do whatever. I think if you, whatever you do, if your wide
00:41receiver is the first off the board, and it's one of the top three wide receivers in this
00:45draft, Lemon, Tyson, or Tate, not only do I think that's what they're going to do, I think
00:53that's how you win. I think you can find the tackle later in the draft, and by the
00:56way, that could be pick 39, not just pick 24. If you get one of those three guys, regardless
01:01of if you're 6 or 12 or 13 or 9, that is a massive win for the Cleveland Browns. That
01:06is a win for the Browns. I think wide receiver is paramount in this discussion, but I didn't
01:10hear anything locked in then, so I need to know. So it's how they win, and it's what I
01:14think they're going to do. I'm locking it in. They're going to take one of the three best
01:19wide receivers in this draft. That gives you too much variance there. I need you to
01:23lock it in a little bit. I feel like I gave you plenty of variance yesterday. What do
01:25you mean? I said Carnell Tate at 6 and no trade downs. There's like no variance there.
01:29Okay, then we gave variance to Daryl. That's about as much of a lock-in as you can get.
01:31We gave Daryl variance because we said trade down. And I refuted that the moment that
01:35it happened. I don't recall it that way. I said we need to get more specific with Daryl
01:37in that. I'm going to need it a little bit more specific. I'm going to need it a little
01:40bit more. How much more specific? Give me the player at 6 or the wide receiver
01:45that they take first. I don't think it's that simple. Nah, you're not calling your shot then.
01:49All right, so do I need to rethink? Do I need to rethink my lock-in? Yeah, we'll give you
01:54time. I'll give you time. But I can still stick this for how the Browns win tonight, right?
01:57Definitely. 100%. And by the way, we're simpatico there. I think they win by taking a wide receiver
02:01tonight. I think addressing the idea that you need to score touchdowns and you need to get
02:06in the end zone and you don't have wide receivers on this roster that can do that right now.
02:10And the idea that you had, when you had defensive players that got in the end zone twice last
02:14year and that would have been your third highest touchdown rate for any offensive player you had,
02:19you had a real issue on your hands. Yeah, and here's the thing. I think they've done enough
02:23to address the offensive line for now. And I wouldn't maybe say this the same way because
02:28you know I'm Mr. Trenches. Nine times out of ten, I'm choosing the left tackle over the
02:32wide receiver. I don't think Fano or Maui Noah are, I don't think they're tackles. And so
02:40I can't then, I can't put, I'll put a left tackle over a wide receiver. I can't put a
02:45right guard or a center or a left guard over a wide receiver, especially when you have those
02:50positions covered already. And I do think, like, I don't get the obsession with Monroe
02:56Freeling. If you end up getting him, that's fine. Like, again, I'm not going to bash them.
03:01It makes sense. He's maybe the best left tackle prospect in this draft. And he's a guy with all
03:06the things that you want. You just hope you got the coach to bring it out on him.
03:09I'd still be surprised if he ended up at six there, though.
03:12Oh, absolutely.
03:13Even Proctor. Like, Proctor, it seems like he's heavily mocked now to the Browns at six.
03:17I'd be surprised, be shocked by that even.
03:19Yeah, Proctor screams pick 24 to me.
03:21Yeah.
03:22But whether it's Proctor, Lomu, Iannachor, like, I think one of those three guys is going
03:28to be there at 24. And I don't think there's really a gap between Freeling and Lomu.
03:34So that's the worry right now across the NFL, at least what's been pushed today. I get that
03:38sense. And this started a few days ago. Schrager on McAfee's show on that run of offensive linemen
03:44that'll be gone. But, like, today has been the day where people are convinced now that
03:47there's going to be seven offensive linemen. And that run that's going to start somewhere
03:51in the teens is not – it's going to extend. And the Browns aren't going to be able to get
03:55one of their top-tier guys at 24.
03:57So do I think there will be a run on offensive tackles? Yes. Carolina could use one. Oh, my
04:02gosh. I know Detroit picks at 17 right now. Detroit could use one.
04:06Detroit has been trying to trade up, by the way. That's one of the few teams we've been
04:09discussing or has been discussed today about getting up and getting closer to the lower
04:14teens to get the tackle that they want.
04:15So, like, I think these are all possibilities. There are so many – there are seven kids.
04:22Like, one of those seven kids, I am just – I'm convinced is going to be there at 24.
04:26And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But, like, listen, I think it's crucially important
04:32that Andrew Barry plays the board this year as opposed to a year where you can just let
04:37the chips fall where they may, trade back a bunch of times, and just get what you want.
04:41But to me, that – getting it right, to me, you just got to get the wide receiver right
04:46tonight. And we can negotiate if you get a guard in the second round or if you're
04:51if you go edge rusher like a Parker or a Jockus in the first or second round with
04:56that, you know, second or third pick. Like, all of that stuff is negotiable.
04:59The non-negotiable is you got to play the board right, especially if you're trading
05:04down. So, if you go to 13, one of those three dudes, Lemon, Tater, Tyson, is still
05:10there.
05:10That's why I do think a lot of today is about playing the board. And it's making sure
05:13that you understand what's going on and then make the appropriate moves.
05:17Because I think, like, the idea earlier you mentioned, like, oh, maybe there's a trade
05:21that's already set in place and we're not aware of it. I don't see that with this
05:24draft right now. Like, the way I see it with this draft is there's going to be a
05:27lot of, oh, you mean Jeremiah Love didn't go in the top four? Now we have to go get
05:32him. Or, oh, the one left tackle we loved is still there in the teens. We got to find
05:37a way to go get him. And it's going to be a lot of that, I feel like.
05:39So, I think there is some variance up there. And I do think that can make it more
05:43hectic. I think there's already some movement in the works. I think this – I think what
05:50gives me hope about tonight being a wild card and all this stuff, what gives me hope
05:53about that is I've already heard of at least two things that people say – now, you
05:58never know this time of year. You never know.
05:59What the people say are going to happen. I was – I had no – I had – we had
06:04surmised
06:04we had talked about a potential trade down at two last year in the hypothetical.
06:09We were – when that happened in, what, the 6 o'clock hour last year?
06:13Yeah, it was around there.
06:13It caught everyone off the guard.
06:15Or was it later in the 6 o'clock hour? I don't know that we got a lot of time
06:18to even
06:18discuss it while on the air ourselves.
06:20Yeah, I mean, I think we got seconds to talk about it.
06:22I think it was. I think it was like seconds to talk about it.
06:24And then we were both buzzing about it driving home.
06:26I know. I remember – that's the thing. I remember being in my car and being like,
06:30this is insane. And then, oh, no. We just – we did five hours that does not matter
06:33at all because everything has changed. Everything has shifted. I think the Cardinals could have
06:37been one of those teams we're discussing that maybe there's already a deal that's
06:40done and on the move. But I think a lot of this really is, what does Arizona do
06:44at three if they are able to trade out? And then seeing the response out of that.
06:47Because I don't see much movement for the first five outside of maybe the Cardinals.
06:51But it gets interesting right around where the Browns are. And then we obviously go –
06:56because the teens are just going to be – it's got a chance to be wild in the teens.
07:00So while we talk about wildness and excitement for tonight's draft,
07:04Jay Glazer, yesterday on Fox, put the juice into the atmosphere here.
07:09What is the juiciest bone that you're chewing on right now that you're hearing
07:14a rumor that just won't die?
07:15No, I know something that's going on. I just can't say it yet.
07:18So I was told you can't say it. I was kind of getting on the clock there.
07:22But it's an interesting trip.
07:24All right. So if we can just start here.
07:27What a lame report that was.
07:28Jay is one of the guys that does this.
07:31Yeah.
07:31The guy who loves to be the guy that tells you he knows what's going to happen.
07:35Yeah, yeah.
07:35And then there's the, oh, I'm not surprised by this.
07:38I knew this was going to happen. This is what I was talking about.
07:41Yeah, yeah, yeah.
07:41So just from that standpoint, we like Jay Glazer.
07:44I do like Jay Glazer.
07:45As much as you can like Jay Glazer.
07:46I do.
07:46But this part – it's kind of a fame W thing that he does that drives me absolutely crazy.
07:50Yeah, definitely.
07:52He's very well-connected, though.
07:53And so, like, I – it's odd because – I don't know.
07:58Why don't we treat him the same as other insiders?
08:00Because he doesn't work as hard?
08:01Is it because – is that what that is?
08:02Or is it we just feel like he – I mean, he's very friendly with all of these guys.
08:07Like, in a way that I almost feel like – you know how, like, Rapsheet – like, Rapsheet knows –
08:11Agents.
08:12I mean, team members.
08:13Yeah.
08:13Executives.
08:14He's not like – he doesn't party with the coaches or the wide receivers or any of those guys.
08:18Like, that's not what he does.
08:19They actually give him information so he won't show up where they are.
08:21Whereas Glazer – Glazer, like, has benefits and then goes out to these guys' charity events
08:26and is, like, legitimately – remember that show Ballers on Showtime?
08:30Oh, yeah.
08:30And he's, like, the closest thing to that that actually exists in the NFL in my mind.
08:33Wasn't he also in the show Ballers?
08:35Maybe that's why the connection's easy.
08:36But, like – but, like, I think he's, like, the closest we actually have to that.
08:41Whereas, like, Rapsheet and all those guys, it's a lot of agent stuff and all this.
08:43But, like, Glazer actually knows all the coaches and players and is very friendly with all of them.
08:47It's very different.
08:47But he runs a different race, which I think is kind of why he's not seen in the same light,
08:52is that he does run a different rate.
08:53And I do think he actually sits on more information than Rapsheet do.
08:57Yeah, because he just doesn't just throw things out there all the time.
08:59Correct.
09:00Now, he does do generic stuff like this.
09:03But if we're going to assume that the juicy report is true,
09:08do you think the Browns are the team that is involved in the juice?
09:11I don't.
09:12I just – maybe I'm just zigging when everyone else is zagging here today.
09:15I just don't think they're going to find the trade partner.
09:17Man, Barry's got you on skates.
09:19I mean, I just –
09:20I've never seen you shook like this.
09:22You love it.
09:22It's not shook.
09:23You love it.
09:24The man's a wild card.
09:25The man is a true wild card in my eyes.
09:27But I just –
09:27I feel like this is your erotic fiction.
09:29Is Andrew Barry draft thoughts of just he could do anything right now.
09:33Well, he could do anything.
09:34He could do anything.
09:34He gets your juices going.
09:35Yeah, it does.
09:36Well, what's funny, I think everyone thinks he's like this big – like this boring,
09:40clocks-in-clocks-out type human.
09:41And there's a lot going on inside Andrew Barry's brain constantly that suggests otherwise.
09:47Like, he puts up this facade.
09:48You've just turned him into deep throat, basically.
09:51No, he puts up this facade of like, oh, I just love playing Settlers of Catan or whatever
09:55that game is.
09:55And is that the name of it?
09:57Is that the right name?
09:58That sounds about right.
09:58It sounds about right.
09:59You're in the ballpark.
10:00So, like, he loves that type of stuff.
10:02But, like, then you have to take us up further.
10:05If you really believe that Andrew Barry treats this job like it is, in fact, a game.
10:12That's the part I appreciate about Andrew Barry.
10:14I think the game might be convincing you that Andrew Barry treats this like a game.
10:18It's a video game to him.
10:19This is not real life to him.
10:20He is so in on the joke that is the whole entire premise of all this, while having such
10:25high stakes attached to it, that I just turn around and respect it.
10:29But the idea that he loves to make people like me and you seem stupid at the end of
10:33the day, and he gets his rocks off off of that, is the funniest thing in the world
10:36to me.
10:36I think you get your rocks off on him getting his rocks off on it.
10:40This feels like a Bob Crane situation we've got going on here.
10:43Is that right?
10:44Before the murder.
10:45Is that right?
10:45Now, this being said, like, three people got that reference, Mac.
10:49I don't know Mac got it, but he heard the murder part of it.
10:52Now, this being said, I actually do think the Browns are involved.
10:55Maybe not Jay Glazer's juiciness.
10:58I think they want to be involved.
10:59I definitely think I'm to the point where...
11:00Just don't know that they're involved.
11:02I'll be really surprised if they actually pick at six.
11:04And maybe I'm just doing...
11:06Maybe I'm zagging while you're zigging.
11:08Here's the other part of that, though, Nick.
11:10Is, like, they...
11:11Not only do they have to find someone that matches, but they operate like the Guardians
11:14do.
11:14They have to clearly be on the winning side of a trade in order to execute a trade.
11:19And so...
11:20Yeah, but I think where they're different than the Guardians is, I think they tweak what
11:25winning looks like for specific instances like the NFL draft.
11:30Like, the Guardians just is like, no, this is what we value the player as.
11:33We don't come off that value.
11:34I think the Browns do a really good job of understanding the value on any given year.
11:39I listened to Aditi Kinkabwawa yesterday on the PM team, and she was talking about how
11:43every phone call she has with these GMs across the NFL, every one of them, when she's hanging
11:47up the phone, reminds her, like, hey, if you want to tell people our pick is open for
11:52trading, it'd be nice.
11:53Just every one of them she talked to did that.
11:55And so, like, I think a lot of teams want to trade out.
11:58And then it comes down to, well, all right, who's going to give us the best price in order
12:01to go ahead and move up to take that six or whatever that is.
12:04And historically, I just don't think the Browns are the ones you want to be dealing with in
12:08that department, because they're going to have to win that.
12:10And I think there will be other teams.
12:11If I was looking to trade with a team, there's other teams in the Browns I would want to do
12:15it.
12:15Let's do it.
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