00:00Nick and JP back here on at Rally House Eastgate stop on by and see us I will say uh
00:05guys if you're
00:07going to sell Caden Proctor yeah can you at least stop saying the quiet part out loud with the you
00:13know when he's plugged in when he focuses when he cares he's really a player that's not I'm not
00:19buying that I'm returning that from Jump Street you got to be willing to be the guy that wants
00:24to actually play football yeah yeah there'd be not be too hard although I did think of this while
00:28I was listening to Mill Kuyper yeah if this was Andrew Barry's last draft and his his his first
00:33round picks or his drafts were bookended by taking the version of the same player yeah which is Jed
00:39Wills and then fat Jed Wills does that show you just no growth is that the idea there I believe
00:44that's exactly what it would show but here's the thing though like you tried making the argument
00:47the other day that you thought Jed Wills was not actually a miss and so like maybe maybe Andrew
00:51Barry doesn't look at Jed Wills as some sort of disaster the way that most fans do all right so
00:55I guess there's I guess I I will say he was a miss because he didn't get to a second
01:00contract
01:00but he wasn't a bust can I can I walk that line sure that's like he was an effective NFL
01:06player for
01:07four years and then it was like okay we've done this okay so well for instance there are plenty of
01:14you know top 10 picks that don't end up starting at all okay or that start as you know half
01:19their
01:19games Jed Wills was the starter so then we have to agree the point can't be uh just make it
01:23not a bust
01:24the point is to get to the second contract I would like that the guy you have to take gets
01:27you to the second contract so taking somebody that is very close to the guy that you started
01:31this whole thing off with would be rather peculiar unless he just has a type and we know some of
01:35these guys just have types I mean honestly John Dorsey had a type Andrew like whether you're a
01:40analytics guy whether you're a you know a blue-hearted scout guy I don't know what a blue-hearted
01:45scout guy is but I just coined him but uh you know a scout kind of mentality or old school
01:50guy
01:50whatever you are these guys all have types yeah I just wish Andrew Barry's type wasn't Caden
01:55Proctor that is funny because I listened to Mary Kaye the other day and Mary Kaye was trying to make
01:59the argument or part of the discussion be the idea that Andrew Barry has grown so much as a GM
02:04in his
02:04time here if he goes with someone like Caden Proctor that would be the antithesis of him growing as a
02:10GM that would be like you shouldn't have the same type that you went and entered the league with
02:14especially if that type hasn't been proven to be any good now I will tell you uh Mel Kuyper
02:19Todd McShay Dan Brugler all do great jobs and I want to say that because I'm about to really
02:23uh rip into them a little bit yeah those those Muppets in the draft community you know what I
02:27think of the draft community design their drafts to kind of make me mad Mel Kuyper uh 12 Caden
02:34Proctor 20 Denzel Boston 24 Jermaud uh McCoy uh again it's actually a really good really good deal
02:41on a corner and with McCoy it just it just we just haven't talked a corner with McCoy at all
02:45McShay Caden Proctor Casey Concepcion and Gabe Jokas out of Illinois that one would probably piss
02:52you off more than anything I could possibly dream up you and your uh your Casey Concepcion hate
02:56uh and then Dane Brugler Spencer Fano which is fine then Casey Concepcion and then Emmanuel
03:01McNeil Warren I think Mel's the worst mock yeah oh no no I don't know McShay's is I mean even
03:08though you get the 2027 second rounder I just Caden Proctor into Casey Concepcion I mean that
03:13feels like a lot of wasting my time that should be your hell I would think yeah there's no other
03:17really way to split that that is the worst version for you someone that reminds you of Jed Wills and
03:22then Concepcion a guy that you think I'm going to remember five years from now that you didn't like
03:25can't catch that's what they call him Casey can't catch it still hasn't stuck in my brain yeah
03:29oh we're gonna get there by maybe it's the Casey thing into the CC thing that just isn't working for
03:34me I don't know now if you called him Cam's Corner or something maybe I'd have a better odds so
03:38we're
03:38eight days away from the NFL draft yeah there's a lot of people trying to line up final takes like
03:43today was Mel Kuyper's final I don't know why yeah I don't know why today was the day but you're
03:47absolutely right everyone tried to line up their final I was like don't we have more juice we can
03:51squeeze even Mel draft even Mel though like this is it this is a final version it's like how final
03:56version don't you get the most intel in the next like I don't know seven days yeah like one pick
04:01can change everything if one pick ahead of you in the top 10 changes or is it that they just
04:06don't
04:06believe they just don't believe anybody from this point forward is this the pencils down part of
04:10the portion where like I told you I'm not here tomorrow but if I was here tomorrow it'd be you
04:14guys should be happy I'm not here because there'd be nothing I could take away from Andrew Barry
04:18speaking tomorrow because it's all smokescreen season it's all what am I trying to get over
04:22with you guys that's the whole offseason well with Andrew Barry particular it's always what he is
04:27in general but I wonder if like how Kuyper how Brugler how all these guys think is they get all
04:32this
04:32information leading up to today and now the next week because they've been doing it so long they
04:37just know it's all about trying to get people to fall for the banana in the tailpipe is there a
04:41clause though that like if something really like hey there's a trade at three oh now Mel gets to
04:46offer now his real final draft well I mean if you have a trade maybe but like if there's a
04:50if a GM
04:51comes out and says he's the Otani of football I think they understand we need to not listen because we
04:55just did that last year like I even you know I know Ken put out and I actually liked what
04:59Ken did I
05:00was confused by Ken I want to talk about that for a second but Carnell Tate at six and then
05:04Blake
05:04Miller at 24 I actually think that's an acceptable outcome I would like that draft I just don't know
05:09why today we're like well you know eight days to go here's how it's gonna go that's I don't know
05:15about that I just how can anybody be certain especially if they're not picking one two or three
05:19okay uh do do we think though did Ken just want him because he's from Strongsville
05:24there's a chance here's the case that I just couldn't escape in my brain and I don't know you tell
05:28me
05:29what's fair what's not fair I'm gonna think Ken watched some stuff at Clemson I don't know but
05:32if he played 111 snaps at left tackle at Clemson and the entire whole rest of his career was that
05:39right tackle and then Ken said he's gonna be a left tackle I'll defer to you on this one
05:43the uh what are you the hog molly whatever you want to call yourself the hog molly holliver
05:48uh online Ken was trying to make it seem as if the four years at left tackle in high school
05:54should
05:54count as him being considered a left tackle is that anything you can legitimately take and and
05:59count as being real well I would imagine uh you know uh being the athlete that I am the difference
06:04between playing left tackle in uh high school yeah and then trying to readapt to that position
06:10at let's say that you know highest level of football seem hard right now now in fairness
06:16Andrew Barry's already said he doesn't distinguish between left and right tackle very much
06:20so I which again I think is the most mind-boggling thing that he also explain why we've been in
06:26problems with our offensive line which does explain Jed Wills over Tristan Wirfs I you know digress um
06:32but no I mean it's funny like I when I saw Ken kind of double down and triple down on
06:36the right
06:37tackle left tackle thing I because this is such a weird class it's like well we're having those
06:42conversations about Fano we're having those conversations about Iheon Shore like we're having
06:47these conversations about half the tackles in this class so I guess it's not asinine to have
06:52the same conversation with Blake Miller yeah well I mean and if you see something on tape that says
06:57he's a left tackle like at this point you can literally do that with half the guys you might
07:01draft in the first round I mean his size and his arms and everything associated with him screams left
07:06tackle but then Clemson didn't really let him do that like I counterpoint Dabo's a bit of a dodo
07:12these days we like Dabo Dabo's a very nice guy name image and likeness and he's like the opposite
07:17of the T-Rex guy that we always talk about not Will Campbell necessarily but anyone that has like T
07:22-Rex
07:22arms yeah his arms are incredibly long some say his arms are too long they might be he's like stretch
07:26Armstrong yeah problem with that yeah honestly can we take a quarter inch out of each arm I'd feel
07:30better about Blake Miller guys I'm being facetious just in just just to be clear here I don't want
07:35I'm not going to use the line of I don't want Keith to clip it I don't want some idiot
07:40on Twitter
07:40to base his entire basis of my understanding of sports off of oh maybe you could use half inch
07:46arms uh less huh I kind of want that to happen for you it would be pretty that would be
07:50pretty
07:50funny funny like when I get when people get really mad at me for things I've clearly said
07:55in jest or sarcastically and they're like this is why you don't know ball I'd laugh a little bit at
08:01it I just understand that uh 95 percent of people understand when I'm being sarcastic and five
08:05percent if they don't then that's fine I think I that's okay there are days where you don't know
08:10if I'm being sarcastic or some days I have to check it yeah and I would say it probably goes
08:14both ways yeah in regard in that regard and that's okay are you saying no am I saying we go
08:18both ways
08:19that's not what I'm saying you kind of put it up there hung in the air for a minute in
08:23this instance
08:24yes that's what I'm saying we're at rally house here but I'm also not saying as I've isolated into
08:29the t-shirt so that I'm just going to stare at for the next five hours by the way uh
08:32the I last time
08:34we were here I was making reference to this this wild thing shirt over here in the corner and after
08:38I
08:38stared at it for five hours at first I thought it was a stupid shirt and then five hours later
08:42I was
08:42like I might buy that shirt and now I've picked up this Burtman original that I've looked at now and
08:47it's only been 20 minutes and I'm like am I gonna walk home with that all right what I'll tell
08:51you
08:51is you know you know the baseball the the baseball with a helmet logo that the guardians have I've been
08:57out on that and in on the sexy guardian logo you love the sexy guardian I think I'm back in
09:03on the
09:04baseball logo because I saw a um a hat of it over there and I was like I don't have
09:09one of those
09:10maybe so I so what what I'm saying is we're both understanding we're both growing here and just
09:14think after you stare at one thing for like five hours then all of a sudden you just become like
09:18okay this is good I like is that how it works you and me working together I maybe maybe maybe
09:25maybe our Blake Miller conversations I don't know after five hours maybe he is a left tackle
09:29Ken Ken was on to something I think he's right oh no that football guy was right on the left
09:36tackle
09:37obviously talking about Strong's no left tackle clearly it's just like a right I didn't just want
09:43to bring somebody into the equation that nobody had talked about before um all right so I want to
09:46get back to the Cowboys as the best trade partner because all right Jerry can be taken so we like
09:52that
09:52Jerry can be taken I also think the 12 spot is right around whether it's Monroe Freeling and again
09:58it's Monroe Freeling not Monroe Freeling I I can't believe we're still having that conversation
10:02damn one week to go eight days to go to the draft but Monroe Freeling at left tackle or Jordan
10:08Tyson
10:08like there's enough guys of the initial pool of players that I really like it at six then it will
10:15still be there to choose from or at least one of the you know four or five guys there at
10:2012 I think
10:20that's the other part that perfectly cements the Cowboys as as maybe the best trade down partners for
10:25the I think that's what people are seeing as well is because they're coming up with these drafts and
10:28they look at it and they're like well if the the Browns pick at six they're gonna have the same
10:32outcome as if they just picked at 12 and got whatever need they they wanted to and then also
10:36then coupled that with 24 and then you add picks to the mix that's that's why it makes so much
10:40sense
10:41for everybody but it begs the question whether or not they're going to be able to get that done
10:44like I keep thinking about uh Schrager the other day talking about how all these teams ahead of the
10:49Browns are interested in trading out as well and it's like are we just going to get beat to the
10:52punch
10:54um oh man it okay so the the I this is what I this driving me crazy about the draft
11:00is you can
11:01start to Pepe Silva yourself into a lather because the truth is I think it depends on what prospect
11:07falls where well even think about it like the Cardinals nobody has any clue what they're going
11:11to do at number three overall that would tell me they're a pretty prime prospect to go ahead and
11:15trade out the funny thing is I actually I think I have them earmarked it's one of the edge rushers
11:20or Maui Noah and I I think it's I think it's that simple I don't I don't think they're gonna
11:24do
11:25anything cute with that pick I mean we when Joe DeLeon was on he was like I got no clue
11:29what's gonna
11:29happen with Arizona you might have a better read on it don't talk a lot of Cardinals football maybe
11:33that's it maybe but I think it's also because you got like a whole new everything over there you
11:37know and they're trying to build everything new they also don't know the direction of what they're
11:39really doing with their quarterback but also uh yeah I I there's just a lot unknown but even
11:45take it to uh I I would say the Titans are gonna be like keep it four they just need
11:48too many
11:48playmakers uh but you know at five with the Giants all sorts of conversations could be had about them
11:53trading out they're they're in a similar spot than we are in some respects yeah the one trade I don't
11:57buy though is Jerry Jones giving the Giants any ammunition in this draft or next that is the thing
12:02that I feel good about it people have talked about the Cowboys and Giants making a trade it's like
12:06Jerry's a wild card he's also a vengeful you know what he's not he's not gonna make that trade he
12:11hates the Giants but but like it still opens up the idea that again if it's not just the Cowboys
12:15if
12:15somebody else wants to trade up like they got they got other options it's not just the Browns
12:19at six overall now I'm hoping what happens is Jeremiah Love is still there at six and that's
12:25enticing enough for some team to want to make the move up
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