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00:00Wyatt Teller, now down in Houston, met with the Houston media at OTAs and had this to say about his
00:07time in Cleveland.
00:08I feel like, you know, in all honesty, got a little complacent.
00:10You know, you get used to a city, you get used to your routine and everything like that.
00:14But at the same time, you know, it kind of refired me up.
00:16Like, end of the year last year, you know, I'm not going to throw away six years that they treated
00:19me unbelievable for, you know, six months of indifference or whatever.
00:23So I still have no ill will to anybody there.
00:25But, you know, it's just, it felt like they kind of blamed it on the offensive line, which don't get
00:29me wrong.
00:29Did we play at our standard?
00:30We were the top five offensive line for so long and then to kind of drop off.
00:33But anyway, there was so much issues.
00:35You can't point at one thing.
00:36But that being said, it kind of fired me up coming into this offseason, training as hard as I've trained
00:40in a long time.
00:41You know, the way we practice, you kind of have to train extremely hard, not only be strong, but also
00:45be in condition.
00:46So, you know, I feel like there were some things that I didn't, the past wasn't in condition as well
00:49as I could, trying to save, you know, tread on the tires better than the day.
00:52You don't want to take anything for granted.
00:53You don't want to be like, hey, I'll be saving it for next year, saving it for next year, saving
00:56it next year, when there could be no next year.
00:58And that kind of fired me up a little bit this year.
01:00So it's interesting.
01:01Some people didn't even listen to what Wyatt had to say.
01:03They just saw Wyatt Teller says he got complacent in Cleveland and just flipped out about Wyatt.
01:08Yeah.
01:08I think knowing what he actually went through last year with them kind of messing around with his playing time,
01:15in his mind, he got hurt at the end of the season because they were messing around with his playing
01:20time
01:20and when they would insert him into the lineup and basically treating this like it was like the week one
01:25for the Florida Gators against, you know, our little sisters, the poor.
01:30Like, I, there was nothing about that that really inflamed her like, oh, how dare he say what he says?
01:34Because I think it was all informed by what was a negative experience his last year in Cleveland.
01:39Yeah, the only part I thought was really interesting was him trying to figure out who the blame should have
01:43gone to.
01:43Because him being like, this is not part, like the O-line took a lot of the blame.
01:47They took a lot of this.
01:48They took a lot of that.
01:49It was like, I don't know.
01:50I thought we put the blame at a, it was like an equal partnership of blame.
01:53I didn't know that everyone was solely putting last year just on the offensive line.
01:56I think, I actually think he was talking about the front office from there.
01:59I think he was talking about the front office and the coaching staff,
02:02which is why you saw them do stuff like shuttle him and Tevin Jenkins in and out in a weird,
02:07random way.
02:07Okay, then the front office and coaching staff, and this is entirely possible,
02:11but they're just being intellectually dishonest then.
02:13Because last year was just as much about the wide receivers as it was offensive line.
02:17There's so many parts of that team that it was about that was not just the offensive line.
02:21Was the offensive line a big reason?
02:23Yeah, I'm not going to say it wasn't.
02:26That was a bad offensive line last year.
02:28But, I mean, especially down the stretch in certain spots,
02:31the idea that you couldn't throw to anybody, any wide receiver,
02:34you could throw to Harold Fannin, but he's not a wide receiver.
02:36I mean, that's a huge reason.
02:38I also think he might think that they put it all on the offensive line,
02:41given the incredible, basically, they just replaced everyone.
02:45And so I can understand if he looks at that.
02:48That was contractual more than it was anything.
02:49I mean, they could have brought Wyatt back.
02:52You could have saved money with an extension.
02:54But you didn't have to, that was the point, and that's what makes that contractual.
02:56It's like you could just let him go and get somebody else in and call it a day.
03:00But I kind of think with Wyatt, like, I imagine that Wyatt thought to himself,
03:04and I think this is the proper thought, if that offensive line had gelled together
03:08and all the rest of the results stayed the same,
03:11I guarantee you don't go out and find five offensive linemen.
03:15Meaning, like, I think Wyatt's back here is not for the lack of success
03:18across the offensive line in general.
03:20I'm not going to say I guarantee, because it sounds too strong,
03:23because we have no way of proving this like it's a Madden simulation or anything.
03:26But you're winning how many more games?
03:30If you had an average offensive line instead of the offensive line you had last year,
03:34I'd put you at seven wins instead of five.
03:36Yeah, I'd probably go two wins.
03:37I don't think it was make or break is kind of the point there.
03:40And so, like, if you think that this offensive line is the reason why it sunk,
03:44listen, Judkins still got injured at the end of the year.
03:46You still had no wide receivers.
03:48Your quarterback play, even when you got Shador in there,
03:50but up until Shador was absolutely dreadful.
03:53Like, you weren't winning games.
03:55It doesn't matter who your offensive line was.
03:57So, I think there is...
04:00Oh, Matt disagrees.
04:02I would have also thrown in the Vikings game in there, too,
04:04where you couldn't get a drive started at the end of that game.
04:07If you get at least one first down, you win that game in London,
04:10along with the Bengals game and also the Jets game as well.
04:13I think that you could have won at least three, maybe four, potentially.
04:17So, here's where I'm going to just have to disagree.
04:19And again, like, the offensive line was bad last year.
04:22We all agree on this.
04:22We're not trying to polish anything.
04:25I think, while I can point to the quarterback room,
04:28while I can point to the running back and Quinchon getting hurt,
04:32I can point to the young wide receivers and the offensive line.
04:36Last year, if this was in the NCAA, I would call it lack of institutional control.
04:42I don't think anyone offensively was put in a place to succeed last year.
04:47And I think, ultimately, that's why Stefanski got fired.
04:50I don't know anyone who could have grown in that scenario.
04:55Offensive linemen, wide receivers, tight end, running back, quarterbacks.
04:59I don't know anyone could have succeeded in that.
05:02Because I think what they were trying to do offensively never came together.
05:06And I think Kevin had lost his sauce as a play caller.
05:09I think he had lost his zeal.
05:11Agreed.
05:11At the end, without AVP and without Bill Callahan,
05:14I think those guys might have propped him up a little bit.
05:17And so, I do think, like you mentioned, disingenuous.
05:22What was it?
05:23Intellectually dishonest.
05:24Intellectually dishonest.
05:25That's fundamentally what I think is at the approach of blaming anything
05:29but Kevin Stefanski and his offensive staff last year.
05:31With love and respect to those guys, they're professionals.
05:34Kevin's already a head coach again.
05:36They made it impossible.
05:38They created an environment that was impossible for young players to develop.
05:42When you see that across all four spots, and they would rebut with Harold Fannin Jr.,
05:48okay, that's one example.
05:50But, like, when nobody else can develop in that environment,
05:54that goes right back to the head coach and your offensive play caller.
05:56Yeah.
05:57No, I think that's a fair point.
05:58And I think there's a lot on Stefanski that he's got to wear on that.
06:00And, again, if I'm coming up with a list of reasons why the Browns sucked last year,
06:04I hate that Wyatt Teller thinks everyone's blaming the offensive line
06:07because there's so much more to it.
06:09I mean, how, Nick, they were signing people off the Rams preseason games.
06:13You know, that's KT Evanston right there.
06:15You know, we watch them in a preseason game.
06:17Let's bring them in.
06:17And let's, oh, also we're going to have them play meaningful snaps
06:20and be a big part of this.
06:22It was week three.
06:23It's not as if they came in with the best of plans,
06:26all things considered, for that spot.
06:27Well, and that's why, you know, you and I have talked incessantly
06:30about how all of a sudden Todd Monken finds himself in a win-win
06:34or no-lose situation.
06:36If the Browns get, you know, more than the five-and-a-half wins
06:39they're allotted in Vegas, people are going to say,
06:40holy crap, that guy got them to seven or eight or nine wins, right?
06:43And if they lose, everyone's going to say, I mean,
06:46they traded Myles Garrett in June, look at the quarterback room,
06:49look at this, that, and the other.
06:50I think another way in which Todd just kind of walks into a good situation
06:56is I do think that the offense was in such disrepair last year.
07:01However, simply being functional makes you look like Kyle Shanahan.
07:05I mean, that's part of Shador in many respects,
07:07why so many fans have gravitated to him in the last seven games that we watched
07:12is because for some parts of that, not all of it, obviously,
07:15some of it didn't look very good, but for some parts of it,
07:18it looked like even close to average.
07:20And it looked like, oh, this is sometimes, you know,
07:22a 25-yard pass that's common in the NFL.
07:25Shador did it, but we were so absent of that,
07:27people wanted to latch onto it.
07:28That's the same thing you're speaking to right here.
07:29Yeah, the frustrating thing is this is also going to be the thing
07:31that we're going to speak about with Deshaun of like,
07:34well, you know, he didn't have Todd Munkin, and here's the thing.
07:36An average offense will look like the, I don't know, the 22 Chiefs.
07:41And there is some logic to that.
07:43I do understand, even like the defense of starting Deshaun week one,
07:47which is it's new head coach, new system, parallels to the Houston situation.
07:51I get all that.
07:53It's just, at least with Shador, I can go,
07:55well, that kid was in absolute dog bleep situation at the end of the season.
07:59The offensive line was interchangeable.
08:01You'd already lost Posick at that point.
08:03You were doing rotating on the offensive line.
08:04I mean, you saw, nobody could catch a cold, let alone a pass.
08:08And so that kid, all of a sudden, he's got weapons,
08:11and now he's got a coach that maybe isn't completely incapacitated
08:16by previous failures in the role.
08:18And all of a sudden, that kid can not just start someplace,
08:22but maybe grow into something.
08:23With Deshaun, it's like, I feel like if he's average week one,
08:27you're going to get maybe average out of week 18 as well.
08:30Yeah, that's probably true.
08:31So do you feel bad for Wyatt that this is how this is all taken?
08:34Yeah, he deserved better.
08:35Yeah, I think so too.
08:36The end result out of this has got to be, I think he deserved better.
08:38And I also think that I just kind of feel bad,
08:40whether that's people in the organization
08:42or whether that's just his portrayal of it or whatever that is,
08:45that he thinks that the offensive line has been taken the brunt of the blame
08:49for a season that had so many other parts of it that could take the brunt of it.
08:53I mean, I feel bad for Wyatt.
08:54I feel bad for Joel Batonio.
08:57Posek's different because he had the injury,
08:59and that might effectively end his career,
09:02which I think you have to feel bad for
09:04because that was a good serviceable center for a couple years.
09:07Like, there's – Conklin's different because he got paid a lot of money
09:10and then he couldn't stay healthy.
09:11DeJuan's different because DeJuan couldn't stay healthy.
09:15Who the hell was a left tackle last year?
09:17Cam Robinson.
09:17Oh, I don't feel bad for him at all.
09:20No, I'm kidding about that.
09:21He kind of walked into a bleep show.
09:23Who was the starter before him?
09:25DeJuan Jones.
09:25I don't know why I'm differentiating that.
09:27Because you haven't seen him play football in forever.
09:28KT Leveston.
09:29Don't feel bad for him.
09:30DeJuan was the starter in these camps up until Spencer got underway.
09:35I'm still holding out hope for DeJuan.
09:36And by the way –
09:37First name basis with Spencer here, huh?
09:39If – well, I mean, we talked about his wedding with him.
09:41Is he a first name guy?
09:42He might be a first name guy.
09:43Listen, I think if Spencer and I – a little air supply in the background,
09:49just a couple guys, pig guys talking some football.
09:51Is that right?
09:52I think a couple hours in, we're just besties.
09:54Yeah, just share a couple bush light apples, have yourself a day.
09:57I think you'd be there too.
09:58Because you could sell him on the fact that against other people on radio,
10:02you are a unit.
10:03Yeah, I don't think he'd buy it either.
10:05Well, no, you've got to say in radio.
10:07I still don't think he'd buy it.
10:09There's a lot of units in radio.
10:10That's true.
10:11They get really hefty really quick.
10:14Unless you're doing like a L.A. radio.
10:15Yeah, that's true.
10:17Where their fattest guy is like our skinniest guy.
10:20Our skinniest by a lot.
10:21It's like skinnier than Lima.
10:22And it's like, oh, geez, you're really packing it on there, aren't you?
10:24Well, they're skinny in L.A. for a specific reason.
10:29Snowstorm's hitting that place left and right, guys.
10:31Yeah.
10:31It's easy to be skinny.
10:34If you're with a little Colombian, bam, bam, right?
10:36I mean, at this point, we just put it on a Zempick.
10:38We don't even put it on any of the drugs or anything.
10:40Now, if you double up on those.
10:41It's just what they are.
10:42You die.
10:43They really are.
10:44That's pretty much how it goes.
10:45A lot of deaths in L.A. right now.
10:46A lot of deaths.
10:47A lot of people dying.
10:48216-474-0092.
10:50So Wyatt Teller talked about his complacency in Cleveland.
10:54Does this change how you feel about Wyatt's exit?
10:57And this is this kind of interesting turn-the-page moment.
11:01And again, I think it's for the betterment of Todd Munkin.
11:05I think the only thing against what the Browns have done, which is Wyatt was a leader, out.
11:11Joel.
11:12TBD will find out what happens with him.
11:15David and Joku, leader, out.
11:17Miles, leader, out.
11:18All the guys that they've shipped out of there that you could perceive as, are they great leaders or are
11:24they just their highest paid players?
11:26Which we had a conversation with David and Miles for that.
11:30Certainly, I think there's an element of, there's a stylistic change here that I just, I don't feel like I
11:35have to worry about that until I see a reason to worry about that.
11:39One thing, and the Browns going incredibly young with this roster, is that you're not going to have some of
11:44what Wyatt was talking about in there.
11:45I forget the position coach that he was trying to credit for saying something about the idea that, why save
11:50your best baseball for a Super Bowl team?
11:53You should do it every single year regardless.
11:55And he credited, I don't remember who it was, but that point remains, right?
11:58Like Wyatt Teller, clearly, he says he got complacent.
12:01Clearly, at some point, you know, nine, eight, nine, ten years into anything, you're not going to hit it the
12:06same way you will year one or year two, especially in a place like the NFL.
12:08And so what we have is that we have a lot of guys that, even if they're not the greatest
12:12team in the world, and even if they're just a 5-6-7 win team, how are you going to
12:16tell Harold Fannin, for instance, that he's, oh, take it easy, you got ten more years of this?
12:20No, he's like, this is year two, I'm going to give it my all as if every game is the
12:24Super Bowl.
12:25Well, and I think you've got a head coach in that position, because Todd knows you don't get multiple years
12:29as a 59-year-old first-time head coach.
12:32And I even think, like, I don't love how young they are on the coaching staff, but I think you've
12:38got guys who understand the value of hitting the ground running with a 59-year-old head coach.
12:43Mike Rutenberg's going to get a lot of credit if that defense is number one this year.
12:47So is Travis Schweitzer.
12:48Like, I think because Todd is perceptionally challenged, because he's not 34 years old and, I don't know, like a
12:57clone of Sean McVay, I think even the coaches understand, hey, if we have a winning season this year and
13:02next, or this year at the very least, I might be one good season away from being a head coach,
13:07because the Browns and maybe even our head coach is perceptionally challenged.
13:10A lot of people with stuff to prove this year, and a lot of people that won't just, even if
13:14it's week 13 or 12, they just won't ship it in.
13:16They just haven't been doing it long enough to have that mentality.
13:19But I hate that this is how Wyatt feels, because I don't know what makes it right.
13:24You know, like, I don't, because here's the thing, guys, it wasn't just Kevin messing around with the playing time
13:29of the guards.
13:30That's a contractual thing as well.
13:33I wouldn't be surprised if the front office was involved in that, so it's not like.
13:37Think about who benefited from that.
13:38They wanted more of Tevin Jenkins, who's on the roster this year, and potentially your starting right guard, it's Tevin
13:43Jenkins.
13:44And if you believe the Bleacher Report, 28-year-old Tevin Jenkins is the Browns' breakout candidate on offense this
13:51year.
13:51This is why I don't read Bleacher Report.
13:53Well, now, I still read it, but this is the thing I'm going to.
13:56Is that right?
13:56Yeah.
13:57Like, Tevin Jenkins, every year Tevin Jenkins has been in the NFL, since his, outside of his rookie year, he's
14:04had like a 70 PFF grade or better.
14:06Oh, yeah.
14:07I mean, they didn't know where to put him in Chicago half the time.
14:09But breakout player.
14:11Sure.
14:12Might not even start.
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