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00:00While we're on the topic of how serious do we buy into Miles' trade rumors,
00:05I do think Daryl made, and you hate to give him credit because it always goes to his head.
00:10I am saying yes, yes, and oh, yes.
00:13Daryl made a really, really good point about an offensive jump this year.
00:18There is some cynicism in here that is one of the things that can annoy me with Daryl.
00:23I also think there's a decent point within what Daryl's trying to express here.
00:27I've talked about this all offseason, just the misalignment that we have, right?
00:31You have this really great Super Bowl-caliber defense, and then you have an expansion team offense,
00:39which I think is an insult to expansion teams.
00:42It's that bad.
00:43By the time you get that offense where it needs to be, which I think is going to take two
00:49years,
00:49I'm not sold that the franchise quarterback is here.
00:53It's certainly not Deshaun.
00:54Odds are that question will be answered in 2027, but that rookie probably isn't going to come in
01:00and all of a sudden flip the franchise on its head and make them an immediate Super Bowl contender.
01:05Again, these things take time for some quarterbacks, and by the time that train gets on the tracks,
01:12well, the defense is going to need a lot of work and a lot of rebuilding.
01:16So this is a rare case where I think Daryl is speaking in hypotheticals, the worst's happening here,
01:25and I also think he's speaking in a little bit of hyperbole, and I also don't think he's wrong to
01:32think this way.
01:32Yeah, well, I always felt like we had this with the Joe Woods years where it was like we had
01:38one good defensive year,
01:39and then it went away, and then you could never time it up.
01:42But this wasn't a year-in, year-out basis.
01:44This isn't what I think he's describing right here, which is we're going to continue to have this defensive onslaught,
01:49but there are going to be like two ships passing in the night.
01:51When the defense takes a step backwards, the offense takes a step forward,
01:55and we're just never going to be able to link up.
01:56So I think we can always fall back on, well, if you're guessing in the negative on the Browns,
02:03most years you're going to be right, right?
02:04I don't think that's what this is with Daryl.
02:06No, because this eventually says you turn around the offense.
02:09But here's the thing.
02:13I think Daryl's right in that this was an expansion-level bad offense last year.
02:20But I think what he's missing, or what I push back on is,
02:23I don't think people realize how hard it is to get it so sufficiently wrong.
02:29Schematically, they were bleeped from Jump Street last year.
02:33Their quarterback room didn't come together until a week before the draft.
02:38That's not smart, not in case anybody knows that there.
02:42They did have talent deficiency in the wide receiver room.
02:45They had a lot of youth, certainly in the running back room,
02:48and then certainly at the quarterback spot,
02:50and not first-round talent, third- and fifth-round talent.
02:53According to the NFL, and their offensive line wasn't healthy either.
02:57Like, the amount that has to go wrong to be that bad in the NFL last year,
03:03that non-functional, that's what it was.
03:04It was non-functional, is so hard to pull off.
03:09It's almost a work of art.
03:12That's how, buh, that was last year.
03:15So, the reverse of that is, it's not that hard to make this a palatable offense.
03:22Like, a top-20 quarterback.
03:25I'm saying the 20th best quarterback in the NFL.
03:27If you just played that guy for 17 games, would give you a chance.
03:31Behind a top-20 offensive line.
03:34But this is kind of what Daryl's speaking to, that idea that it's like,
03:36you're going to watch the offense get progressively better.
03:39And with each year, you're going to add, because they've got such a focus on the offense,
03:42you're going to get better on the offensive side of the ball.
03:44But with each year, you're also then probably going to take a step back on the defensive side.
03:48But who's saying they're not going to add people to the defensive room?
03:51I mean, I've advocated taking David Bailey with a six-pack.
03:54I mean, it's always open that you can do something to the defensive side of the ball.
03:57But where they've stressed and where they've stressed to us,
04:00maybe you just don't believe them, they've stressed the offensive side.
04:02And they've stressed trying to get better on the offensive side.
04:04And so, I like the timeline that Daryl's working with.
04:07And even for this upcoming year, I think you're going to take a step forward on the offensive side.
04:11I also think you're going to take a little bit of a step back defensively.
04:14I think losing Schwartz and having a new defensive coordinator is what's going to be the difference in that.
04:19Is it a major step in either direction?
04:20I don't know.
04:21Probably not, though.
04:22So, again, I want to say, I think Daryl, I understand why Daryl's saying what he's saying.
04:27And I think he might be closer right than I am here.
04:31But it's just, none of this is that hard.
04:33You don't have to choose between, you're kind of backing up your defense here,
04:39as long as you're drafting well in the middle rounds and late rounds,
04:43and also improving your offense.
04:45Like, I just, it's a little doomsday scenario for me.
04:49And I just, I don't think we're there.
04:51If you trade Miles, it certainly changes the calculus.
04:55If you just go all offense and none of those guys work out this year, or not enough of those
04:59guys work out,
05:01yeah, the math gets more complicated here.
05:03But I think we're going a little hard in the paint for a team that went from three wins to
05:08five wins.
05:09And I, like, I still think the defense has some legs in it, as long as we're not trading Miles
05:14Garrett tomorrow.
05:15Well, and again, that's part of this equation, too, though, is that Miles is getting older with each passing year.
05:19And maybe Miles is the one guy that can be good for three, four, five years from now.
05:23I don't know.
05:23I think, in my mind, I think Miles is going to be one of these guys like Tom Brady that
05:28we're like, wait, hold on.
05:29He's still good at that point, a part of his stage.
05:32But will he be with the team?
05:33Denzel Ward, I don't, like, Denzel's, how many more years of Denzel Ward being awesome do we have?
05:38We're worried about his concussions every single week as is, nonetheless counting for years with an S.
05:43And so, like, I do think there's some big ticket items defensively that the Browns have to account for.
05:48So, here would be another thing, I think, though, and this is, like, this might come off, I don't mean
05:53this to come off in a bad way, but sometimes when I say that it does, most times when I
05:58say that it does, how many teams' timelines offensively and defensively line up consistently?
06:03Oh, isn't that, that's the game of the NFL?
06:05Like, this is the hard, you know, threading of the NFL, and being able to really get that down is
06:11trying to time everything up where your offense can be as good, basically what the Seahawks have right now, where
06:16the Seahawks have a top four offense and defense, and they were able to time up the idea that all
06:20those drop picks they got from Russell Wilson all hit on the defensive side of the ball, mixed with the
06:26idea that they have one of the best wide receivers now in the game ascending at the same time that
06:30they were able to throw in there with Sam Darnold to make everything work offensively.
06:33Like, you gotta get, well, you gotta get a little lucky.
06:35Kansas City.
06:36Kansas City went so hard in the paint in Karloftis and McDuffie to fix that defense, and they did, by
06:41the way, that defense.
06:42Well, remember, the first Super Bowl they had that Mahomes won, they won with one of the worst defenses we've
06:47had in the last 20 years to win a Super Bowl.
06:48And so then they fixed that.
06:49And so they tried to fix it, yeah.
06:51And then the offense fell apart.
06:52Exactly right, because there's only, like, that's the hard, that's what makes the NFL hard, is that if you give,
06:57it's like a Seahaw, it's a never-ending Seahaw, and you're constantly trying to, if you take from one piece,
07:02you have to add to another piece,
07:03and if you're trying to make it all mix, but ultimately it never really works, see the Bengals.
07:09The Bengals have been trying to do for years.
07:11It's like we have so many, they have so many great weapons with Joe Burrow and everyone over on the
07:15offensive side of the ball, and they're drowning defensively,
07:19because there's not enough money, there's not enough resources to fix both sides.
07:23So even if I think Daryl has a lot of valid points, and I just disagree with how far away
07:28the offense really is, because I don't think it's that hard to be a respectable offense,
07:32to me I think the hyperbole, as if this is a uniquely Cleveland problem, or it spells some, the sky
07:41is falling, that's where I disagree with Daryl.
07:44I think the main point he's trying to make is that he believes the offense is where they're going to
07:49be doing everything and putting all their resources towards,
07:52and we're going to watch that drip from one side to the other as we just add to the offense,
07:56and then the defense has to take hit after hit after hit, because you can only do so much.
08:01You can't fix everything.
08:02You can't have both sides really going unless you get some luck involved.
08:05I've dreamed up several oars, these are not eithers, these are only oars, for JP to choose from.
08:12I do think there's a bit of diabolicalness to them.
08:16I've also invited Mac and Jake, if they think of diabolical oars, I don't like that, oars, for the Browns,
08:25for JP,
08:26they can also submit them.
08:29I don't think they can do it, but, JP, you ready?
08:33I'm ready.
08:33Wait, are you also playing part in this too, or no?
08:35Yeah, so I will let you answer first.
08:38And so it's the likelihood of this choice, and then it's which one you like best.
08:44Actually, give me which one you like best, and then the likelihood.
08:47Okay.
08:47Let's hit the music.
08:49So we're going to start quarterback.
08:50We talked a lot about quarterback.
08:51Yes.
08:52I continue to hear people saying they expect the Browns to draft a quarterback, albeit a late-round quarterback.
08:58So, I'm going to give you two options here for the Browns.
09:02Yep.
09:02Carson Beck in the fifth round.
09:04Bec, bec, bec, bec, bec.
09:07Or Will Levis for a fifth-rounder.
09:10Carson Beck in the fifth round.
09:12That's the one I like the best.
09:13That's also the one I think they would do.
09:16I don't see them being in the Will Levis business, so maybe that's exactly why they'd be in the Will
09:20Levis business.
09:20But I feel like we've had reports attached to them with Carson Beck.
09:24I feel like there's – I'm all right with that.
09:28Now, I wouldn't do either, but because I have to choose, I'm choosing Carson Beck.
09:33This is diabolical.
09:35All right, so –
09:36Yeah, it didn't really start off too diabolical here.
09:38I think Carson Beck is probably more likely because the Munkin connection, because the price is right with a fifth
09:44-round pick.
09:44There's a lot of experience there, too.
09:46I don't want to draft a quarterback under any circumstance.
09:49I don't.
09:50Because the whole idea of a fifth-round quarterback is a developmental quarterback.
09:54And if you're already gearing up to take a quarterback in 2027, taking four quarterbacks in three years,
10:00when the fourth quarterback you take is a first-round quarterback, seems really redundant and stupid way of building teams,
10:07even if I generally am on board of draft a quarterback when you can.
10:11Right?
10:11If you like a quarterback, take a quarterback.
10:13I also think Levis serves this idea.
10:16One, he's got two more years, whereas Anthony Richardson has one more year.
10:20I don't love Will Levis for a fifth, but Will Levis for a seventh-rounder.
10:24Is Will Levis just getting some, like, Malik Willis, I don't know, like, tag-along, good-faith type stuff happening
10:31here?
10:32Um, I'm sure it's –
10:33Is that the idea?
10:33I think it is.
10:34Well, it's the inverse, because Malik gets a glow-up because of the Packers.
10:38No, but the –
10:38Will Levis gets the – gets the, basically, the Peter Lynn pass because the Titans suck.
10:43The Titans are the commonality between the two, though, right?
10:45So it's like you're thinking you are the Packers in this next destination for Will Levis,
10:49as if, like, the same thing that happened to Malik Willis is happening to Will Levis.
10:52It was a Titans problem.
10:53It was never actually their problem.
10:56I understand that I am – I am making this claim for Will Levis on a very – like, he
11:02–
11:02I'm not saying he played well as an NFL quarterback, but he played worlds ahead better than Anthony Richardson,
11:10who was unplayable.
11:12I know he's got the no risky, no bisky.
11:15Todd Munkin has history with that kind of guy in Jameis Winston,
11:19and I think Will has a powerhouse arm.
11:22Bit of a dunderhead, but I would be willing to give him a two-year kind of let's-see-what
11:29-he-can-do-as-part-of-this.
11:30And a Fapello star.
11:31Much better, by the way, than Carson Beck.
11:33You ready for the next or?
11:35Yes.
11:38Francis – Francis.
11:40Okay, Malik Noah.
11:42Yeah, there we go.
11:43Or Ihe Onshore at 24.
11:46So Malik Noah at 6 or Ihe Onshore at 24.
11:49I guess Malik Noah at 6 is what I would do and what I also think they would do as
11:54well.
11:54I don't understand why Malik Noah has just kind of fallen out of favor in the past week or so.
11:58Everyone's fallen in love with Fano.
12:00Everyone wants to have discussions about Caden Proctor.
12:02Malik Noah has been unequivocally the top guy the entire time.
12:06Don't make this hard on yourself.
12:07If that's who you like is the best tackle – or the best offensive lineman, excuse me,
12:11because he's not going to play tackle, then go for it.
12:12I like Malik Noah.
12:13I do.
12:14Because he's – Malik Noah is an ass kicker.
12:17So I do like that.
12:19I'm really getting seduced.
12:21Like, I hate the idea of Max Freeling as like a – or Max Freeling.
12:25I really hate the idea of Freeling at 6 as a developmental guy.
12:30Or as, hey, maybe in three years he's Colton Miller.
12:34He Angkor, and I'm going to keep butchering his name, at 24, feels like a guy who's still new to
12:40football.
12:40He's an athletic freak.
12:42I think he is a left tackle.
12:44Like, I think he has traits.
12:45I thought we decided yesterday his last name was – it was Chor.
12:47It was Ian Chor.
12:48Ian Chor, yes.
12:49That's why I keep butchering it, because we decided yesterday.
12:52But I really – I'm starting to come around to the idea of I really like him as a prospect.
12:57I think he might end up having a higher upside than Caleb Lomu, or – I honestly don't even know
13:04what the figurative upside of Freeling is.
13:08But I think – I really think Max has a real chance here.
13:12I'm really – honestly, neither would upset me.
13:15And if you've got Maui Noah and – what's his name?
13:17Ian Chor.
13:18Ian Chor.
13:19I think I'd be –
13:20Max Ian Chor.
13:21That might be the offensive line in first round that I think I'd be very excited about.
13:25Yeah, you know, I read a little bit more from Todd McShay on what exactly he liked about Ian Chor
13:29and didn't like about him.
13:30And some of the combine stuff really kind of stands out.
13:34It's 40-yard time.
13:36Some of the little things that you wouldn't think about.
13:38But his weight is in the 70th percentile.
13:41And I –
13:42As is mine.
13:43Is that right?
13:44Only 70th.
13:46Oh, it just depends on what we're sampling from.
13:49I thought it was the fat asses.
13:52One day you'll tell me your actual weight, and I'll look up and see where you are in America.
13:55It depends on that day.
13:57I don't even want to begin to guess.
13:58I wasn't weight today, or I'd give it to you.
14:00I kind of want to guess, but I don't want to guess – no, I don't want to guess.
14:03I'll actually allow it.
14:04No, I don't want to guess.
14:05You won't upset me.
14:06I'm actually in a feeling good about myself.
14:07That's not going to happen.
14:09That's just what this one thing is just not going to happen.
14:10Mac, do you want to throw it out?
14:11Yeah, Mac, what is your guess?
14:14He's really sizing me up here.
14:16This is like a carnival barker thing he's doing.
14:18It's like you've never seen Nick before in person.
14:20Well, no, he hasn't seen the day's version.
14:22He's looking at you for the first time.
14:23I could have dropped three pounds.
14:25You want me to stand up?
14:26I'll do a full –
14:27I'll say 360.
14:29Oh, thank you.
14:30That's a very sweet –
14:31That's –
14:31By the way, Mac's very nice for that.
14:33That's a very sweet boy.
14:34Oh, that's a sweet guess.
14:35Okay, good, because I was thinking 365, but I didn't want to say 365.
14:38Let's go with 365.
14:40All right.
14:41I am very close to 365.
14:45Now you just made it more vague for everybody.
14:47Now I don't know.
14:48A weight of 360 pounds.
14:49Places an individual in the 99th percentile or higher for weight in the U.S.,
14:53indicating they are heavier than over 99% of adults.
14:56Losers.
14:57That is the 99th percentile for weight in American men starts at approximately 341 pounds.
15:03Enjoy global warming.
15:05So you're not just there.
15:05I'm out.
15:06You're there by a lot.
15:07Many people have said it.
15:08You are a one percenter.
15:10People have been saying it for a while.
15:11We've been talking that about you for a while.
15:12One percenter.
15:13I mean, that –
15:14Now, have you ever stopped to think about it for a second?
15:16Like, it might not be impressive in the way that you want to be impressive.
15:21But I'm still in the one percent.
15:22But you are a one percenter of something in this life.
15:25Like, you are a one percenter of –
15:26Like, there's a lot of people that can eat out there, Nick.
15:29We can make an argument.
15:31There's a lot of people that can't eat anywhere as good as you.
15:33And I only look 320.
15:38All right.
15:38The oars continue.
15:40Carnell Tate at six or Jordan Tyson at 24.
15:43It's incredible.
15:44I think we've lost JP to my fatness.
15:4799 percentile.
15:48How about that?
15:48It's incredible.
15:49I don't know why I just assumed –
15:50Did I just became a better partner for you because my fatness is extraordinary?
15:55I mean, listen, there's a lot of percentiles.
15:56You could throw out there.
15:57Maybe I should have assumed 99 percentile exists for 360.
16:00I just thought it'd be like 90th or something.
16:03I don't know why.
16:04Give me more, fat man.
16:05I love that my obesity might have just endeared me more to Jonathan.
16:09It's a very impressive thing in an odd way.
16:11Hey, not a lot of guys 230 over there.
16:12You're looking pretty damn good at it.
16:13There's a lot of guys that are that.
16:15That's the –
16:16You're in the 55th percentile?
16:19Maybe I'm higher than I thought.
16:21Ooh.
16:21Would you walk around like a big boy?
16:23Nah.
16:24Feeling like a big boy?
16:25Stop that.
16:26All right.
16:26What was that oars?
16:27Tate at six or Tyson at 24?
16:32I would do Tyson at 24.
16:34I think they would do Tate at six.
16:36And this kind of goes back to the idea of like them playing it safer than them taking
16:40any more risks.
16:41I think they want to do one combination.
16:43I want – I think they want offensive lineman and wide receiver.
16:45Some variance between six and 24.
16:47My bet would be you take the double off the wall and Carnell Tate at six, and then you
16:52take whatever's there at 24, whether that's some of the guys we've been discussing, one
16:57of the offensive linemen at 24, and everyone's happy.
16:59So Maui Noah at six, and Hyon Chor or Blake Miller at 24 is like my – or maybe Iowani
17:08as
17:08well.
17:09Like, those are like my –
17:10Oh, Blake Miller's not a name we discuss enough, by the way.
17:12My athletic freak Cleveland zone, by the way, or Northeast Ohio zone.
17:16That's like my dream double O-line draft.
17:19My dream double wide receiver draft might be Carnell Tate and Jordan Tyson.
17:24And you obviously can't hope that Tyson's going to be there.
17:28It's just kind of if it happens, it happens.
17:31Jordan Tyson at 24 would be insane value.
17:35I don't get lost a lot on that, but I do think it'd be insane value.
17:38It'd be insane value.
17:39It's the type of value that the Browns would love.
17:41And so I don't think they'd take him at six, but if he's there at 24, I could even
17:44see if he's there at like 20 or something, them trading up a couple spots and getting
17:47that done.
17:48All right.
17:49Monroe Freeling at left tackle or Titus Howard at left tackle?
17:56Oh.
17:58We've got a spicy one.
17:59Are we getting Monroe Freeling at six or are we getting him at 24?
18:02It does not specify.
18:03Yeah.
18:04So, all right.
18:04So I think they would take Monroe Freeling if it's at 24.
18:07Now it's at six.
18:08And then I don't think they would do it.
18:09But you're jamming me up a little bit.
18:10You're ruining my bet.
18:11It tells me what direction I'm going.
18:13I don't like him at six.
18:15I like him at 24.
18:16If he's there at 24, that's what I'm doing.
18:18If he's not there, I'm not doing that.
18:20All right.
18:20Trade down at six or trade down at 24?
18:24Trade down at six gets you the better haul, I feel like.
18:26So I would do trade down at six.
18:28And I would also, I would think they would do trade down at six.
18:31So there's two things here.
18:33You might end up getting an equal haul.
18:35I don't know you're going to get a first rounder, although God, I would love one.
18:39But if somebody's coming up to get Ty in that 24th pick, a quarterback does drive value on this.
18:48That might have, you might be able to get a second rounder out of that the same way you might
18:51be able to get a second rounder.
18:52Or like a double pick swap like the Dallas thing that's been thrown out there.
18:56Or six.
18:57I actually think this might be a weird year where depending on who is available at 24, it might have
19:03a little bit more value than work.
19:04In the same way that, by the way, Atlanta traded up last year to get, it wasn't James Pierce, was
19:11it?
19:11Oh, that's right.
19:12He was their second defensive end.
19:13They took the Williams kid first.
19:14Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:15Ooh.
19:16A 6'4 man is taller than 98.9% of the U.S. male population.
19:22Hey, so what I'm hearing is I'm a 1%er and a 2%er?
19:262%er?
19:28I saw it for his father!
19:30And he was a 1%er!
19:32It was like a Jersey Boys meets Hexaw, and I don't know what happened.
19:37I got so excited!
19:38You did like a you telling me type thing.
19:40You telling me?
19:41As you do your De Niro face, you telling me?
19:43You telling me?
19:44I'm a 1%er?
19:45You're a 2%er?
19:46So much excitement, it brought out your Wahlberg.
19:47Or my childhood speech impediment, which is basically a Southie from Boston.
19:55Every time you hear a little kid who talks like that, I'm just like, aww, he's a little Wahlberg.
20:01Hey, a little Southie.
20:02All right, final one.
20:04Casey Concepcion at 24, or Juwan Jennings in free agency.
20:15I can mess with Concepcion.
20:17People thought, people called Juwan Jennings a hoe.
20:20It's not my preferred thing, but I could do Concepcion at 24.
20:24So it's hoe or Hot Wheels here.
20:25I still think Jennings has some value, though.
20:27That's the difference.
20:28I know he shoots his mouth off, but I still think Juwan Jennings can still be a good football player.
20:33So I actually think this is pretty equitable.
20:35I actually really don't hate the idea of Juwan Jennings in a specific role, Jerry Jr. in a specific role.
20:41If you also think that whoever...
20:44Man, I've got to tell you.
20:45If you draft the right wide receiver...
20:48Which one?
20:48Oh, Belichick there.
20:50If you draft the right wide receiver...
20:54Edelman pops out of the clouds.
20:56I saw a Transformer!
20:57Juwan Edelman, how did you get in here?
20:59How did you get in here?
21:00Isn't that a Keel Badu commercial?
21:01Keel Badu's in my car!
21:02I, like, look at my 23 and me and it says, 15% Bostonian.
21:08He loves wide wide receivers.
21:11He loves Transformers.
21:13And he loves to be part of the percent.
21:18I'm yay on Juwan Jennings there.
21:20You're what on Juwan Jennings?
21:21Yay!
21:23What'd you think I said?
21:24I don't know.
21:25We've been having a pronunciation problem.
21:26I wasn't sure.
21:32What a time to announce it.
21:34But only for Juwan Jennings!
21:38Oh.
21:39Welcome to the party.
21:41Okay, apparently Mac's a part of that party, too.
21:44I'm going to get real crowded real quick, Mac.
21:47I just got so pissed.
21:48He went from having a fun time to just straight up...
21:51He blew himself up!
21:53Just pissed.
21:54He blew himself up!
21:55Oh...
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