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00:00The way I look at this trade market for Shador Sanders, all last week it felt like everyone was going
00:04down the road of trying to get rid of him or trying to trade him in some sort of way,
00:07and Spencer, I just don't see it. I don't see there being enough value there if we're going to do
00:11that to begin with anyway, and I see it higher for the Browns to keep a quarterback on this roster
00:16where he's in one of the few spots.
00:17If you worry about a backup quarterback being a distraction, I don't care about Deshaun Watson and whether or not
00:23he has a distraction. Sorry, Deshaun, you haven't warranted any sort of play in a Browns uniform that makes me
00:30concerned about whether or not, I don't know, you're worried about whatever perceived circus quote-unquote would end up being
00:36here.
00:36Didn't the Browns already do that anyway with Deshaun? Didn't they already cater to Deshaun when they didn't bring back
00:40Joe Flacco the first time after 2023 because they knew that fans would be clamoring for Flacco because nobody liked
00:46Deshaun Watson?
00:46And I'm done catering to Deshaun Watson.
00:48At this point in the Deshaun contract, the Deshaun situation, who really cares?
00:52And that's even playing with the idea that he's like the guaranteed starter, which I don't even think is true
00:55right now.
00:56Well, and that's the big thing for me because, first of all, I don't think it makes any sense to
01:02trade Shador.
01:03Maybe when we get to the end of training camp, if he's not named the starter, because at that point,
01:08all bets are off with Andrew Barry.
01:10Andrew Barry, the last couple of years, his whole thing has been you get to the end of training camp
01:15and you're flipping a quarterback.
01:16All right, so let's play that for a second, though, okay?
01:18All right, so you trade Shador Sanders for a fourth-round pick or third-round pick even, if he can
01:23even get that.
01:23I don't even know that he can.
01:24I don't think he can.
01:25I don't think so either.
01:25So anyway, you trade him for that, and in the process of it, you're what, going to start Dylan Gabriel
01:30when it goes south for Deshaun Watson?
01:32Well, that's the thing.
01:33That's the reason it doesn't make any sense to me because if you're trying to sell this fan base on
01:37anything in terms of excitement level around this team, yes, you have the young rookie class and this young team,
01:43and Jared Verge is this nice new piece that, obviously, Miles Garrett isn't here anymore, but that you can at
01:48least get people excited about the potential of all these guys, and that's one thing.
01:52But we all know the quarterback sells in this league, and if you're trying to invoke any sort of excitement
01:56around your quarterback position, you can't go into the season with it being Deshaun Watson.
02:00Who we know is not going to work, and people are like, oh, you can't say that.
02:03I can definitely say that.
02:04Yeah.
02:05I've watched way too much Deshaun Watson football to ever think it's going to work.
02:07Well, and who, I don't want to say universally, because I guess there are still some sects of the fan
02:12base that maybe still are holding out hope that Deshaun Watson can be something very small sects, but I would
02:18say mostly universally not a fan.
02:21The fans aren't really a fan of Deshaun Watson, so I think that doesn't help.
02:25Just strictly on football.
02:26Right.
02:27He hasn't done anything in the time that he's been here, and he gets injured too often.
02:30Who would possibly make that bet?
02:31Right.
02:31And that's the thing.
02:32If that's what you're trying to sell the fan base is, hey, we got Deshaun Watson for this season to
02:36see how it goes, and then we're going to pivot to Dylan Gabriel, I just don't think that sells to
02:40anybody.
02:41I also think if you have a quarterback asset that you at least are curious about to see what it's
02:45going to be, why would you just give that up when you have a year kind of gap to figure
02:50out if this guy can be anything before you then have to answer that question permanently in 2027?
02:54Exactly.
02:55It just doesn't make any sense to me.
02:56No, it doesn't.
02:56It's stupid is what it is.
02:58Sorry to your son listening, but it's patently dumb.
03:01It makes no sense.
03:03And it isn't even necessarily about exciting the fan base.
03:06It's more about even what you do to the locker room in this instance.
03:09You're basically telling everyone you have no plan B.
03:11There's zero plan B.
03:12If you trade Shador Sanders, your plan B is what?
03:16Deshaun didn't work out, and so we're going to spend the rest of the season just sucking up the joint
03:21because we're playing for draft position?
03:23Which, again, I have no problem that if you commit yourself to Deshaun, and he stinks, and then all of
03:29a sudden you want to go for Arch Manning, and that's your big grand plan, and you think, is there
03:33a way, Spencer, they just think Shador Sanders would get in the way of that?
03:36In a weird twist, would Andrew Barry just think that he wins too many games?
03:40Yeah, because even in an awful Browns year last year, he still went three and four.
03:46They still won games with Shador at quarterback.
03:48You can say Shador wasn't the reason why they won those games.
03:51They still won games.
03:52Like, something would be getting in the way.
03:54If they traded Shador in a weird twist, I actually think it's because they believed he'd be too good in
04:00that spot in the backup role, where if you have to get to the backup, then we might as well
04:04just be playing for draft position already as is.
04:06And maybe I took that to, like, seven layers deeper than anyone wanted me to.
04:09Yeah, I think that's a little too deep.
04:12But I'm reaching here, people, for a reason, because none of it makes sense on the surface.
04:16If they traded Shador, it would literally just come down to them getting increased value on what they used on
04:23him.
04:24And that's the thing.
04:25To me, I'm sure Andrew Barry would make this trade if it was offered.
04:29If somebody offered a fourth-round pick, he might just be like, yeah, sure, give me a third, fourth-round
04:32pick for 2027.
04:32I'll take it.
04:33But I would think, like, if anything that's a day-two pick or earlier, absolutely you're making that trade.
04:40Because then you took a player that was a fifth-round pick and you turned it into some asset that
04:44actually could get you a tangible player that could start for you at some point in the future.
04:48So I think that would 100% happen if you were offered that.
04:50But I just don't think teams are offering that.
04:52And so I don't think it's as deep as you took it.
04:55I think it would just come down to if they traded Shador, it would probably be because they felt the
04:58value that they were getting back in return was worthwhile to them.
05:00But it still just doesn't make sense to me to even make that trade when you get to the end
05:05of training camp if he doesn't win the job.
05:07To answer your overall question, I think it's absolutely more in the realm of possibility that Shador Sanders can start
05:14for this team going into the next season rather than get traded.
05:17And the biggest reason for that is what we've already said about the other guy he's going against.
05:21Neither of us have any faith whatsoever that Deshaun Watson is going to be a viable quarterback option for the
05:27Cleveland Browns for an extended period of time.
05:29He might have a game sprinkled in there where he looks like some older version of himself for a half
05:35or whatever it is, but he's never going to be that guy again.
05:37And if none of us have faith in that, then—and that's the thing.
05:40This quarterback competition might not even come down to Shador doing anything remotely exceptional.
05:45Like, he might not go out there and just, like, ball out every day at training camp practice.
05:49There might be some good days and some bad days.
05:50But if he wins the job, it's going to probably be because Deshaun Watson doesn't look good at all.
05:57Like, that's part of the argument as we're having this conversation about who's ahead and why is Tom Munkin not
06:04really willing to make a decision just yet.
06:06I think a lot of it comes down to neither of them have been great, but Deshaun hasn't been able
06:10to separate himself.
06:12And so that's the thing.
06:12Like, this is Deshaun Watson.
06:14What, eight-year veteran in this league, nine-year veteran in this league, and he can't separate himself from a
06:18second-year quarterback who was taking the fifth round?
06:20Like, what does that say about Deshaun Watson?
06:22If you made me ballpark it right now, I think it's like a 50-50 chance he starts week one.
06:26I think that's probably fair.
06:27I can't—
06:28And that's Tom Munkin just BS-ing us when he says, like, I think both these guys are capable of
06:31starting.
06:32But all his actions are—he wanted to name a quarterback at the end of minicamp, and he couldn't.
06:36So clearly he wanted to have that answer already.
06:39The fact that he doesn't tells you that he must think it's pretty close.
06:42So I haven't been at the practices.
06:43I've been here talking to everyone else.
06:45You've been at these practices from what you see.
06:48Are they as bad with Deshaun as what I've been told?
06:50I mean, I've been told that he has some nice throws in there, but every other throw is—he's hitting a
06:56completely different zip code.
06:57Well, and this goes back to, I think, my overarching point I just made.
07:00Like, Deshaun, I would say, in the spring had maybe the better throws of the entire spring.
07:06Like, there was a couple days where he was just, like, dropping some dimes into guys, and it was like,
07:10that's the old Deshaun from 2020.
07:12There was—and again, that's the thing.
07:14There's moments with Deshaun.
07:15There's a few little throws where you're like, that's a high football IQ throw, pinpoint accuracy.
07:21That's the guy we knew from 2020 that they hoped they traded for.
07:24And then around that, it's like, interception, ball thrown in the dirt, doesn't see the guy come open and then
07:32throws it way off target, whatever.
07:33Like, glimpses of greatness.
07:35And the glimpses of greatness is what scares me here, Spencer.
07:38Right.
07:38And I think Deshaun was probably—he had the better throws in total, like, of camp.
07:43Like, if you're just looking at the big picture, who made better throws at times, it was him.
07:48But I think Shador was just more sort of steady throughout the spring where, yeah, he had some bad throws
07:53in there, but it wasn't—and he wasn't doing maybe the exceptional things or the exceptional throws, but he was doing
07:58enough to, like, make the offense function.
08:00And that's kind of how I viewed it when the spring practices ended.
08:03It's interesting.
08:032-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
08:05Yeah, I mean, it's interesting.
08:06I, you know, I put it at 50-50 only because I just have no reasonable way of knowing.
08:10And what's sad about it is that as we get further and further away from what we were able to—what
08:15you guys were able to see with your own eyes,
08:17and now we're in this little, like, six-week grace period before training camp starts,
08:20and you get more, like, leaks out from Joe Hayden and all these other Browns players or all these other
08:25former Browns players that are telling other national media members, like,
08:28Oh, looks like it's Deshaun's job. I just—I do tend to wonder the serious nature of this and whether or
08:37not it is on the up-and-up, you know?
08:38And I just—it's kind of one of those things. Like, is this—is it always rigged for Deshaun? I don't know.
08:43But if Deshaun wins this, because he hasn't separated himself based off of anything you guys can see,
08:49I'm just kind of led to believe that that's true, and I don't love that for myself.
08:52Yeah, I don't know that I would say it's, like, rigged for Deshaun, but I will say this.
08:55Like, we only see what we see on the field. I do think there's an element of this,
09:00and this is why I think going to training camp Deshaun has at least a slight advantage in maybe winning
09:05it.
09:06There's a football IQ part of this, and we know Deshaun has that.
09:09The one thing you can't knock Deshaun for is, like, his—
09:11Well, they tried, though. We tried doing that and discrediting that with the Charles Robinson report,
09:16him talking about everything that Bill O'Brien had to do in his headset in order to make him work.
09:20Yeah, that's true. That's true.
09:20Like, we've tried discrediting his acumen football intelligence-wise.
09:24But all indications are, like, behind the scenes, he's able to point out all the things that they need to
09:29see,
09:30and that is part of the equation, too.
09:31Like, when you're watching film and you can see, like, what coverage they're in and all this,
09:34can he diagnose those things at a higher level than somebody like Shador can?
09:37I think that probably helps him, but he also—that should be expected.
09:40He's a veteran in this league. Shador's in year two.
09:43The other thing that might help him is the athleticism piece.
09:46I don't know that we can fully tell from just the spring how athletic Deshaun truly is.
09:51He looked good at times running the football, but it's not full pads.
09:55It's not full speed. We haven't seen all that yet.
09:57I think Todd Munkin does want the quarterback running ability to be part of his offense,
10:01and so that might give him a slight advantage because he is, theoretically, a better running quarterback than Shador is.
10:07But that's also assuming that, like, the Achilles didn't completely just ruin that for his career as well.
10:12But I think those are the two things going into training camp that I'll expect maybe give Deshaun a slight
10:19advantage,
10:19but that also doesn't mean that Shador then can't win the job because I still say, out on the field,
10:24we didn't see Deshaun do the exceptional things enough to make you feel like he's, like, pulling away.
10:29And if it comes down to, like, who is more steady overall and Shador's that, I think he absolutely can
10:34win the job.
10:35Oh, it feels open.
10:35And I just – the part I find interesting is the people that want to tell me that Shador is
10:40being talked up
10:41and being gassed up by the Browns right now and –
10:43As, like, a trade ship?
10:44Yeah, it's like – or maybe they just think he's progressed, and maybe they actually like what he's –
10:50maybe they just like what he's done on the field, and maybe it's not a trade ship,
10:52and maybe they're just speaking honestly.
10:54And I know this team never speaks honestly, and I'm the first person to tell you don't believe anything they
10:58say.
10:58I think Todd Munkin does, though.
10:59More than – maybe not 100% of the time.
11:02I mean, come on.
11:02But I think Todd Munkin speaks mostly honestly when it comes to, like, his true feelings on things.
11:09More than Kevin Stefanski ever.
11:10He hasn't been around long enough for me to catch him in enough lies for me to tell you otherwise.
11:14But all I know is Andrew Barry has lied to me more than enough times for me to ever trust
11:18anything the Browns are saying.
11:19Well, yeah, you can't trust Andrew Barry.
11:19I mean, like –
11:20I don't trust any of these guys.
11:21But I don't trust – even if they have, like, a track record of always being honest,
11:25I'm always going to be questioning whether or not they're telling me the truth because that's how I operate.
11:30Here's the one example I'll use.
11:32And first of all, we haven't been able to trust Andrew Barry since the day he said,
11:35yeah, we still believe in Baker Mayfield and then traded him later that offseason.
11:37But, yes, the difference maybe between the two is the Brennan Soresby situation.
11:43Look what Andrew Barry said on this station, by the way, when he was on, where he was like,
11:47I think we need to have more grace with these things and we'll always explore our options if it's going
11:51to better our football team.
11:52He did the whole, like, keep the door open thing, but he didn't share his true feelings.
11:55Todd Munkin flat out came out and said, yeah, I don't want this guy.
11:58It's a slippery slope.
12:00Keep him away from my football team.
12:01That's the difference where I feel like Todd Munkin's maybe a little bit more honest than some of these other
12:05people.
12:06But you are right.
12:07He has a big rely to know when he's actually honest.
12:09But I don't know that he's actually honest about that because we never saw the supplemental draft happen and what
12:13the Browns did or did not do.
12:14Not yet.
12:15He's still holding that hope.
12:19I mean, like, I'd love to be like, he was honest Abe right there.
12:23I'd love to believe that he was, like, so genuine in that spot, but we'll never know if he was
12:27genuine or not in that spot.
12:28So you think he was just saying that because you think it was a manipulation to get him?
12:31I know.
12:31I just don't know.
12:32I don't know one way or another because we weren't able to actually see that one play out.
12:37The scoreboard never got, the game never got the first pitch underway.
12:40We just got to speculate and then nothing ever happened.
12:43Nobody played.
12:44And so when it comes to that discussion, we'll never know.
12:46Maybe Andrew Barry was the honest one in that, and maybe Munkin was full of BS, and that's just how
12:51it is.
12:52But I just don't trust anybody is the point.
12:54I never trust anybody, and I'm always questioning whether or not they're being honest.
12:57You've got to take all of it with a grin.
12:58It's just how I always operate with this.
13:01But in this discussion right here, the one we're having, I do believe they're being honest about Chador.
13:06I don't think they're gassing him up in order to try to make some sort of, hey, Cardinals, look what
13:11you could be missing out on.
13:12I just don't think they're doing that.
13:14I think they understand they spent an offseason trying to convince us that Deshaun Watson was the answer,
13:19and Deshaun Watson might not be the answer.
13:21And so they don't want to wear a lot of egg on their face if Chador is the one that
13:24they want to start week one.
13:25This is a process.
13:27You have to get people on board with the idea that what you're doing makes sense,
13:30because what they did for so many months of this offseason already was tell us Deshaun is the starting quarterback
13:36and tell us Deshaun is going to win this job, and he's going to be the guy that goes.
13:40And so they don't want to look like fools when they look up and Munkin's like,
13:43yeah, so we did all the practices, and Chador, he's just better.
13:47I don't want to tell you he's better.
13:48So despite your suspicions that you can't trust any of these people.
13:53I don't trust anybody.
13:53You're choosing.
13:54I don't trust anybody, not named my wife.
13:57She's the only one I trust.
13:58And there's a lot of divorce attorneys that say I shouldn't trust her.
14:00But you're selectively choosing to trust Tom Munkin on this one thing.
14:04This is the one thing you believe him on when he's talking about you.
14:07I can only call it out how I see it, right?
14:09And so I can either believe the idea that this is a trade ship, and that's why they're talking him
14:15up,
14:15or I can believe that they actually think he's progressing.
14:18I believe in the side that he's actually progressing.
14:20It's not that I necessarily believe Todd Munkin.
14:22It's just to me that's the narrative that makes the most sense to myself.
14:25The narrative that this is being used as a trade ship just patently makes no sense.
14:30It doesn't matter what they say, ultimately.
14:32I just don't think that they're speaking this way because there's some big elaborate plan that Shador's stock was in
14:37the gutter.
14:38And if we don't speak this way, that we have to all of a sudden, then we're going to not
14:42be able to trade him if we want to.
14:44That logic makes no sense to me.
14:46So why would you be talking up Shador Sanders?
14:48Again, we're just using logic, right?
14:49Why would you talk up Shador Sanders if you're not using him for some big trade ship reasoning, which I
14:55just can't get on board with?
14:56Well, it's because you actually think he's progressing.
14:58It's because you actually think that he's good, and it's because you might, might, eventually make him the starter week
15:04one over Deshaun Watson.
15:05Well, and those of us who have been to practice have, I think, seen tangibly that he has improved.
15:10Like, the footwork's definitively better than it used to be.
15:12So I think it's fair that you feel that way.
15:14I don't believe either quarterback is getting traded, but I do think it signifies a lot of different things if
15:19you go with one or the other.
15:20If you give it to Shador, I think Shador's going to start all 17 games, and I don't think you're
15:24going to have, I don't think Deshaun Watson's going to get a chance.
15:26Let's put it that way.
15:27If you start Deshaun, then, yeah, I do think Deshaun, the question then becomes how many games is he going
15:33to end up getting.
15:33Does he get five games?
15:34Does he get seven games?
15:35Does he get nine games?
15:36What would Vegas set the over-under on for that?
15:39Oh, wow.
15:40I'd probably say five and a half.
15:42My head was thinking six and a half when you first said it, so you said five and a half.
15:46I think we're in the same little ballpark.
15:48I guess, do they feel like they owe Deshaun anything?
15:51Because I think that's a dumb way to run a franchise.
15:53Feeling like you owe Deshaun some sort of obligation to start.
15:56I don't think anything.
15:57I think that's historically dumb.
15:58I don't think it has anything to do with that.
15:59I think they feel like they owe themselves something.
16:01Like, I think they feel like.
16:03The checks have been cashed.
16:04Like, you pay them the money.
16:05You owe yourself nothing to find out that Deshaun Watson can't play football.
16:09Hey, I'll save you so much money and so much time and so much hassle and so much everything.
16:14The man can't play football.
16:16Just come to me.
16:17Consult me on it.
16:17I got you guys.
16:18He's not good anymore.
16:20It's been years since he was good.
16:22He gets injured too often.
16:23It's not going to work.
16:25Don't do it.
16:26I do wonder if there's like a small part of them, though, that's like, we got to give this thing
16:30one last try.
16:31No, I know there is.
16:32That's the part that bothers me so much.
16:34Yeah, it's annoying.
16:34Because it's so dumb.
16:35You don't have to do this.
16:37Again, the check's been paid.
16:39You don't have, there's no, everyone always comes to that idea of like, oh, you paid him $46 million.
16:43Again, you already paid him that money.
16:44You don't have to, you don't have to try to get something out of it.
16:47It's guaranteed.
16:48You paid him that.
16:49You don't, there's nothing you have to try to get out of this.
16:51It's not, you didn't make a bad purchase on eBay and now you're trying to get some value out of
16:55it because you spent, you know, you were drunk at three in the morning and bought a really dumb gift.
16:59Like, you don't, you don't, you don't have to.
17:01It's done.
17:01Well, and that's why I argued when they, when Todd, when, when Kevin Stefanski got fired and then they hired
17:06Todd Munkin and obviously there was a lot of reporting on Deshaun's going to be part of this team next
17:11year because, because of his contract.
17:13My argument at the time was, can we guarantee that if Andrew Barry also got fired?
17:18Like the main reason Deshaun is still here is because Andrew Barry's still here.
17:21Like if a different GM had come in, he might've just decided, eh, let's just bite the bullet for a
17:26year and like eat all this money and move on.
17:28I don't believe that.
17:28But I think, I think, I think what you're saying makes football sense, but I don't believe it because I
17:32think the, I think Jimmy Haslam feels like he wants to do something here with Deshaun Watson.
17:36I feel like, I feel the one who, who, who said he was a swing and a miss a year
17:41ago.
17:42He said that, but now he's looking at a way where he can recover from the worst trade in NFL
17:46history.
17:46Again, this is why this is when you make decisions.
17:48I'm saying that though, because his GM is still here.
17:49This is when you make, this is when you make dumb decisions is when you feel like you have a
17:53chance right now.
17:54I think Jimmy Haslam looks at his legacy as that big swing and miss.
17:58I think he looks at it like his Browns legacy right now is defined by that.
18:02And, and maybe the Miles Garrett trade is going to be second in that list.
18:05But right now that's what it's defined as.
18:07And he's got blood on his hands because of that.
18:09And he knows it.
18:10And so I think right now he's looking at some shorter way to make that go away.
18:15And guess what?
18:15If Deshaun Watson, all of a sudden this upcoming year,
18:18because Stefanski is not around and Munkin works and Deshaun looks awesome,
18:22then guess who doesn't go down with the worst trade in NFL history.
18:25And I think that's what he's chasing in a year where they're probably not going to win a lot of
18:29games as is.
18:30And it's about developing the first and the second year players and getting you to a spot to draft a
18:34quarterback in 2027.
18:36I think that's what he's chasing.
18:38And I think it's incredibly dumb to chase that.
18:40See, I see it differently.
18:41I think from Jimmy Haslam's standpoint, he makes the swing and the miss comments because I think that's truly how
18:47he felt.
18:47Like, I think he realized that this wasn't going to work and this wasn't working.
18:51I think when you talk about his legacy, sure, he knows that right now as the owners of this football
18:56team,
18:56his legacy is defined by the Deshaun trade.
18:59Everybody associated with that is defined by the Deshaun trade.
19:01Andrew Barry's career, his career as the owner, all these things.
19:04But I also think that Jimmy Haslam's looking ahead and seeing, hey, we're building this fancy new stadium in Brook
19:09Park.
19:09That's going to be a major part of my legacy as long as that goes well.
19:12We need to have a team that's ready for that point in time.
19:14We need to find our quarterback for that point in time.
19:16I think Jimmy Haslam's kind of – maybe he does have blood on his hands, but I think in his
19:21mind, he's washed his hands clean of that.
19:23Whether or not the fans agree –
19:24Well, then I got news for you.
19:25Your hands are red, buddy.
19:26They're not clean.
19:26I think he's washed his hands clean of that, and he's already looking ahead to 2027, 2028, 2029 when the
19:32stadium's going to open.
19:32I get to lifetime supply of Porel.
19:34It's not getting clean, Jimmy.
19:35And I think he's saying my legacy might be defined by that right now, but my legacy down the road
19:40is going to be defined by all these things and the next quarterback that we find,
19:43especially if it's Arch Manning, who we know he has a relationship with the Manning family.
19:46I think that's where he's at with it.
19:48I think that any remnants of starting Deshaun Watson is more about the front office people that are still here
19:54and them still being sort of committed to him
19:56and feeling like they've got to see this thing through with this money.
19:59Andrew Barry knows that in order to have the flexibility they needed this year to rebuild the team, he was
20:03going to have to keep Deshaun Watson on this roster.
20:06But if a different GM had come in, if he had been fired, I think that GM would have actually
20:10done what a lot of the fans want them to do,
20:12which is just say, screw it, 2026 doesn't matter, let's just cut Deshaun, bite the bullet, get him out of
20:19here,
20:20and we'll just move on and figure out how to build a team elsewhere around the financial confines that that's
20:26put on us.
20:26That's how I honestly feel like it would have gone.
20:28I think this is more about Andrew Barry and the fact that he's getting a chance to still play and
20:31start in all these things than it is about Jimmy Haslam.
20:332-1-6-4-7-4-2-0-92, Vito in Beachwood up next on The Fan.
20:38Hello, Vito.
20:39Hold on, there we go.
20:40Hello, Vito.
20:41Hey, guys, can you hear me?
20:42Yep, gotcha.
20:43What's up?
20:43Oh, so I just want, first of all, I'm a big fan of both you guys, Spencer, Jonathan, you do
20:49a great job.
20:50I listen to the station all the time.
20:53But here's my thoughts, and I'll be quick.
20:56Under the Deshaun-Shador controversy, I mean, why would you not give Shador a chance from the beginning?
21:06Let him train with the first team through training camp and throw him out there.
21:10Because we already know Deshaun's worthless.
21:12He can't do anything right, on or off the field, you know what I mean?
21:17So that's my thoughts, and I think that you've got to give the kid a chance.
21:21He showed some glimpses of hope last year, even though he didn't really get to train.
21:29They threw him in at the end of the season, you know, without any experience in training camp whatsoever.
21:34So those are my thoughts, and you guys keep doing a good job, and let me know what you think.
21:38All right, thank you, Vito.
21:39I appreciate you, as always.
21:40Yeah, I mean, it's pretty clear to me what you should do, but I think it's clear to you as
21:44well.
21:45Yeah, I've been in the camp that Shador should start the season this entire time.
21:51For me, it comes down to just simply there's nothing left for me to learn about Deshaun Watson.
21:54Like, I have nothing left to learn.
21:56He's not going to reclaim that 2020 version of himself.
21:59That's an area, as we talk about whether or not Tom Munkin's lying or not, that, you know, he can
22:03go out and say as many times as he wants that, hey, yeah, we believe that if that quarterback was
22:08in there at one point, we can find it again.
22:10That was six years ago.
22:11The league has changed a lot since then, and there's nothing worse for any player, but especially a quarterback, than
22:15being out of the league for an extended period of time, because everything changes around you.
22:19It's faster, the coverages are different, everything's different.
22:22Like, I just have nothing left to learn about him.
22:24I would much rather see Shador Sanders start the season so we can actually enjoy the season from a standpoint
22:29of what are we learning about this guy, can he be a franchise quarterback, and getting that most important question
22:33answered.
22:33The worst case scenario is that Deshaun plays decent enough that he ends up getting, like, half the season, like,
22:40he plays, like, nine games, eight games, whatever, and then you only have another eight games or so to evaluate
22:46Shador, and then he plays decent enough that it, like, paves the way for you to get to the offseason,
22:50and then you're asking yourself those questions of, well, can Shador actually be something?
22:54And then you still don't have an answer to your quarterback question.
22:56Just get this answer.
22:57You know it's not Deshaun.
22:58You don't know if it's Shador yet.
23:00Figure that out.
23:01Give him as long of a leash this season as possible, and let's get on with this thing so we
23:04can see what 2027 brings.
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