00:00Guy who writes all about it joins us right now on the Make It Right Call Kyle Wright Hotline.
00:04As he does every Monday at 11 o'clock, he's Mr. Scott Petrack.
00:08Scott, how are you, sir?
00:11I'm pretty good. How are you guys?
00:12We couldn't be finer.
00:14Now, riddle me this one.
00:18The soundbite that came through from Andrew Barry about Miles Garrett
00:23said, you know, we consider him a career brown and all that stuff.
00:27Jeff never said that we wouldn't trade him.
00:31And I don't think they want to trade Miles Garrett.
00:34I don't think they're going to trade Miles Garrett.
00:36But if you're not planning to compete anytime soon,
00:39shouldn't you think about trading Miles Garrett?
00:41Well, yeah, for sure, Jeff.
00:44But I think that's where the disconnect is between the people that think it's a
00:50no-brainer to trade Miles Garrett versus the Browns,
00:54who a year ago he requested they had not signed the then-record extension.
01:00It would have been way easier to trade him, you know, 13 months ago.
01:05And they didn't want to.
01:06And they kept him, and they decided not to.
01:09They obviously gave him the huge extension.
01:11So the Browns aren't operating, at least,
01:15like they're that far away from contending.
01:18Whether that's 2027, when Andrew Barry said he could then be super aggressive
01:23and free agency again, or 2028.
01:26But they think they're closer than a complete rebuild and a teardown,
01:32which they have no interest in doing a teardown.
01:34So I think that's where it is.
01:36Like, if the focus is on 2029 and beyond, then, yeah, I get it.
01:41You're probably better off trading Miles Garrett because he's going to be 32 or 33,
01:46right, and you can get a bunch.
01:49You would figure you get a bunch of pieces.
01:51But that's not how the Browns are proceeding.
01:54And also, they might just view Miles Garrett as one of a kind.
01:59And you can't trade a, in their mind, a future Hall of Famer, right,
02:04a guy that might go down as the best defensive player in the history of the NFL.
02:08You want to trade him when he's coming off the NFL back record
02:12and his second NFL defensive play of the year, right?
02:15So I think all those things play in the Browns' mind.
02:18But, and also, if they're going to trade him,
02:20it made more sense to trade him a year ago than it does now.
02:24I would agree with you on that.
02:26I see the, why wouldn't you want the best defensive player
02:30or one of them in the game on the field for you?
02:34But it's that timeline, Scott.
02:36You know, if they don't think they're going to go for it this year
02:40or even the following year, well, think of the assets you might be able to get.
02:45I know some of the stuff thrown out about Dallas getting two first-rounders
02:49and George Pickens.
02:51That's tempting, I would think.
02:53No?
02:54Yeah, I agree.
02:56You know, I don't know.
02:57But George Pickens, I think there are some issues with him.
03:00Sure, but if you get the first-rounders too, right?
03:02Yes.
03:03Whatever that package is.
03:04Is it two first-rounders and a player?
03:06Is it three first-rounders?
03:07Whatever that package is, yeah, it certainly makes you think about it.
03:12And if you're Andrew Barry, I don't think you necessarily close the door to it, right?
03:17And, you know, he didn't want to talk about it a bunch yesterday in Phoenix.
03:22And last year it felt more definitive that they weren't going to trade him.
03:27And then, obviously, they signed me to the extension.
03:30So maybe that's in the back of his mind.
03:32And you look at what the Ravens were going to give up for Max Crosby,
03:36and you think, hey, Miles is a better player than Max Crosby.
03:39You know, what could you get?
03:40And if you're looking at your roster and you don't know exactly how the quarterback situation
03:44is going to play out over the next couple of years, are you better off?
03:48I get that thinking.
03:50I understand it completely.
03:52I think the Browns start with a baseline of no trade is going to make us better
03:57than having Miles Garrett, right?
04:00He elevates the defense to a top-five level when, if you take him away,
04:05all of a sudden the biggest need on defense is huge.
04:08And how do you fill that need?
04:11You know, he plays incredibly hard.
04:12All those things that we know about Miles Garrett.
04:15Are two first-rounders, which would likely be at the bottom of the first round,
04:19are those guys going to be combined better than Miles Garrett,
04:24have a greater impact than Miles Garrett?
04:26And I would argue over the next two, three, four years, the answer is no.
04:29Now, if your focus is five, six years from now, then, yeah, I get that argument.
04:34But it would take, you know, I use the word haul.
04:38Like, it would take an incredible haul to make me even think about it,
04:42and I think Andrew Barry feels the same way.
04:44Let me kick things over to the draft here for a second,
04:46because I still feel like, and every time I have a different conversation
04:50with somebody else, quarterbacks are going to get elevated.
04:52They're going to get boosted.
04:53You're going to start hearing Ty Simpson's name crawl up the board
04:56without actually anything going on,
04:58because somebody's going to be looking for another quarterback.
05:00Do you think there's any way the Browns would try to move up
05:05to bring in Ty Simpson?
05:08From 24?
05:09Well, yeah, either from 24, or do you think they would take him at six?
05:13I don't think they'd take him at six,
05:16and I have a hard time believing they'd trade up from 24 for a guy that's played,
05:20started 15 games at Alabama.
05:23I know there's a lot of reasons to like Ty Simpson.
05:26I know the Todd Munkin connection, you know,
05:30depending on how you feel about your Dirk Sanders,
05:32you could argue that they're not set at quarterback.
05:34You know, if you believe your Dirk Sanders is a franchise quarterback,
05:37then there'd be no reason to take Ty Simpson.
05:40And I know that that's, you know, depending on who you're talking to,
05:43you can have different opinions about that.
05:47I don't know.
05:48I just have a hard time thinking they'd take a quarterback in the first round.
05:53Once you get to 39, if Ty Simpson happened to fall,
05:56there's somebody else you like, you can throw into the mix.
05:59Certainly later in the draft, I would think they would add somebody.
06:02But, you know, I would never rule it out.
06:05And, you know, if they have fallen or will fall in love with Ty Simpson,
06:09then sure, maybe you could see the 24,
06:12even if you have to move up to 20 to get him.
06:14But right now, I think that that is unlikely.
06:17Scott, what did you make of Andrew Barry talking about Deshaun Watson
06:21and the contract and extension based on performance and everything else?
06:27By the way, that's the first Scott Petrack groan we've ever had on the show.
06:32Welcome to the club, baby!
06:33Do you even have to answer the question after the groan?
06:37Yeah.
06:40I think that's what you say when a guy's on your roster
06:43and either you hope or there's a belief that he can still play good football.
06:49And that probably helps you from a cap perspective
06:53if somehow he played well enough that it made sense to extend the contract
07:00and then you can spread that money out even further
07:03than taking that, you know, the big cap hits that are likely coming in 2027 and 2028
07:10for the void years when he isn't under contract anymore.
07:13If this is his last year under contract, then he likely won't be here.
07:17You know, I think that's what you say when the guy's on your roster.
07:20I have a hard time believing that Sean Watson will be here after 2026.
07:26I mean, they spent the last couple of years trying to come up with a way
07:29to get out of this contract, right?
07:31And realize they couldn't and they're forced to keep him
07:33and they're forced to pay him $46 million this year
07:37and he has to be part of this quarterback discussion
07:40because they're not going to get rid of him
07:42just because of the contract.
07:44So, you know, I mean, we've all lived the Sean Watson experience since 2022.
07:50I have a hard time believing anybody would want to extend that.
07:53Now, if he starts and wins 12 games for you, then the discussion changes.
07:58But that feels like a remote possibility.
08:01I agree with you on that.
08:03It does feel remote.
08:04I could buy into this.
08:08If he actually played, played well, stayed healthy, was on the field one more year
08:17and then you get, you know, you see what happens in the 2027 draft
08:21and everything else, I just couldn't imagine the team extending him
08:25in a multi-year deal.
08:27That just doesn't, that seems just like impossible.
08:33Right.
08:33And who knows?
08:35You're exactly right, Jeff.
08:36Maybe things change this year and he plays like the Sean Watson in 2020.
08:39I have a hard time picturing that because we haven't seen it since 2020
08:43and you haven't seen it at all in Cleveland.
08:45He hasn't stayed on the field long enough.
08:47And when he's been on the field, he hasn't been consistent enough.
08:49So I'm just going by what I've seen from the Sean Watson since he's been here.
08:53And I cannot extrapolate to where he plays well enough where that's even a discussion.
09:00But if it did come to that point, then it would be interesting to see how they handled that.
09:05You know, would they recommit to him?
09:07And then you have to hope he stays healthy.
09:08And then you'd have to recommit to him before the draft.
09:12Right.
09:12So you don't know who you get in the draft.
09:14And it just feels like a can of worms.
09:19And I know for the last couple of years, it's been about, okay, when can he be in the past?
09:26Right.
09:26When can this organization move past the Sean Watson?
09:29Right.
09:30So to extend that, it would have to be a crazy year from him, right?
09:37A year that I've got a hard time wrapping my head around.
09:42Agreed.
09:44All right.
09:44What else do we think is going to happen here with these owners' meetings?
09:46Anything comes out of it?
09:47You know what I'm interested in?
09:49The referee thing.
09:50Like, they don't have a deal.
09:51They're going to bring in college refs?
09:53Like, this is the difference between a union and an organization of millionaires when it comes to this.
10:00Because if the referees get locked out, you wonder, what would the Players Association do about that?
10:06If the Players Association decided not to cross a picket line, then I would believe these guys are actually a
10:11union instead of a, you know, like, if you see somebody working at the mill, that's never going to happen.
10:17But that's why I don't have a whole lot of respect for players' unions across the sport.
10:21But that's another story for another day.
10:22What's going to happen with these refs?
10:24What's going to happen with these refs?
10:25Sorry.
10:26It's pretty strong.
10:26Yeah, sorry.
10:27Yeah, I mean, the players aren't going to not play.
10:31We saw that whenever the last union strike or lockout was, or the referee lockout or strike was, right?
10:38They played with the replacement refs, and then there's a terrible call, and all of a sudden, the regular referees
10:44are back.
10:45Shocker!
10:45So, it's a lot of, yeah, yeah, it's a lot of posturing going on.
10:49I like when the NFL Referee Association pushes back at the NFL, right?
10:55Because the NFL feels like a bully in some of these circumstances, and, you know, putting out these, I don't
11:01know, inflammatory statements about the referee union and the union, the referees pushed back last night.
11:07So, a lot of posturing, you know, I get that the NFL wants it to be performance-based from the
11:14officials, and they're trying to get the officiating to be better, which is what they should be doing.
11:19Yeah, I kind of, I don't have a problem with that.
11:21I don't have a problem with that.
11:21But going to replacement refs is not improving the refereeing.
11:24No.
11:25Right?
11:26So, I think the referee union does have some leverage, because with so much attention on the officiating these days,
11:34which I tend to think is overblown, that's not going away.
11:37The attention's not going away.
11:38The gambling's not going away.
11:40If you, and it's all about money, right?
11:43So, if the NFL is a league chooses, from a financial perspective, to go ahead and go with the replacement
11:50refs, because they're drawing a hard line in the sand, then you can't, I don't think, make the argument that
11:54it's all about better officiating.
11:57Because that's not what it would be all about, because these guys, as many mistakes as they make, are the
12:02best officials in the world.
12:04So, I think that's absolutely true.
12:08You've got 15 seconds.
12:10Last thought, draft coming up, anything strike you new at 6-24?
12:16No, I think it's still a trade down, and I think it's still receiver and left tackle at those two
12:23spots.
12:23But it wouldn't shock me at all if they made a trade, and I would still lean toward trade, just
12:28because I think they have multiple options at those two positions later than No. 6.
12:35Scott, thank you, sir.
12:36Thanks, Scotty.
12:38Thanks, Charles.
12:38Scott Petrick, BrownsZone.com.
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