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00:00On today's show, let's talk about that violence.
00:03What's he done to you?
00:05Spack in the face.
00:06Only yesterday.
00:07Yeah, he did that last night.
00:10I've never punched her.
00:12Never, ever punched her.
00:13You never pushed her into a doorway and split her head open together enough?
00:17How did that happen, then?
00:18Some Martians land in the middle of the night and do it too.
00:20I can't tell you what, Jeremy.
00:21Go on, then, you tell me what.
00:23When somebody wants you out of the house.
00:25Well, listen to me.
00:26Why would I?
00:27Because you're a liar.
00:28Listen to me.
00:28If somebody wants you, Jeremy Corp, out of the house, and they will phone up to police.
00:36It's those 50,000,000,000.
00:38Keep going, somebody else.
00:40Why don't you leave her if she's so outrageously bad?
00:43That's why I'm here.
00:45So you met her 35 years ago, and you told my team, it was amazing.
00:49We were at it, well, all the time.
00:51Yeah, when we were young, yeah.
00:53He thinks I'm having it off for somebody else.
00:56Are you?
00:57Definitely not.
00:58Since the start of your relationship with Fred, have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
01:02He said no.
01:03Why don't you say no?
01:22Thank you, my friends.
01:24Good morning, as ever.
01:25A big, big welcome to the show.
01:26Now, my first guest today, Sarah, is here because she is desperate, and I mean desperate, for help with fiancé
01:31Julian.
01:32Sarah claims that during their relationship, check this, she has had him arrested over 50 times because of his physical
01:39and mental abuse.
01:41Now, just yesterday, when they were getting ready to travel to this show, he, Julian, assaulted her and spat in
01:46her face.
01:46She says, I know what people think, I know what they're going to say, but I want help.
01:51I'm desperate.
01:52Big welcome, brave lady.
01:53Sarah's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
02:07I want to say something to you before we start.
02:10I actually really, really know that it must have taken an awful lot to come here because you imagine that
02:15everybody's going to look at you, and I'm going to start with the obvious thing.
02:1850 times, love.
02:19You need your brain testing.
02:20Why don't you kick his backside out of your life?
02:22But you can't, right?
02:24Why?
02:24I love him.
02:27He'd been with Julian for seven years.
02:29When I met Julian, he was amazing, but the violence soon started to creep in.
02:33We'll get to it's out of control now.
02:35Let's just, if we can, sweetheart, talk about how it started.
02:39Um, it's just like, the drinking got worse, and then that's when the violence started, and he's jealous.
02:46Let's talk about that violence.
02:47What's he done to you?
02:49Um, spat in my face.
02:52Um.
02:52Only yesterday.
02:53Yeah, he did that last night.
02:55Has he struck you, punched you, hit you, kicked you?
02:57Yeah, he's done all that.
02:59Kicked me, punched me.
03:00Didn't he once push you into a door, and he split your head open, and you had to go to
03:05hospital to have your skull glued back together.
03:08Is that right?
03:08Yeah, yeah, glued stitches.
03:11You said, I need him to sort his anger out now, because one day he'll go too far, and I'll
03:16end up dead.
03:18That's what the police reckon.
03:19They must be fed up of you, the police.
03:21Yeah, they are.
03:23I want you to do me a favour.
03:24Do you trust me?
03:26Do you?
03:27Yes or no?
03:28Yeah.
03:29This might not be the nicest thing you've ever seen, so I'll tell you what we're going to do.
03:32You're going to go to the pod with Graham.
03:36Give her a round of applause.
03:37I'll bring you out later.
03:46I, um, I just want to do this myself.
03:50Julian's on the Jeremy Cowell Show.
04:01Hello.
04:01Hello, Jeremy.
04:02Sit down.
04:02Don't come near me.
04:03You're a thug.
04:05Are you drunk?
04:07Are you drunk?
04:09Are you drunk?
04:10No.
04:11Really?
04:11Couldn't walk in a straight line, could you?
04:14Is that true?
04:14I don't know.
04:16Sarah has constantly got me into trouble with the police.
04:19I've even lost my job because of her.
04:20Have you been arrested 50 times?
04:22Yes.
04:24And you split her head open?
04:27Uh, no, I haven't.
04:28You spat in her face yesterday?
04:30No.
04:31I've hit her on...
04:33Right.
04:34On how many occasions?
04:35Can you shut those people up in there?
04:37What?
04:37Jeremy.
04:38Oh, just to roll up, maybe you go to prison for that, do you?
04:40I hit her on the arm with a rolled up prison.
04:41So you go to prison in the United Kingdom in 2015.
04:45For smacking somebody over the arm with a rolled up newspaper.
04:49Why have you been arrested 50 times?
04:52Come on.
04:53You can have a go at me, are you?
04:54Because you wouldn't get one foot, you lowlife.
04:57So sit there and take your punishment.
05:00Admit to the world that you have beaten her up repeatedly.
05:03Go on.
05:04Do it.
05:05Have you been violent to her or not?
05:07Yes.
05:08I'll be deadly honest.
05:10So why did you tell my team I've never laid a finger up?
05:12Oh, you're so full of rubbish, aren't you?
05:15Never, ever punched her.
05:16You never pushed her into a doorway and split her head open with glue.
05:19It had to be put back together.
05:20How did that happen, then?
05:22Some Martians land in the middle of the night and do it too.
05:24I'll tell you what, Jeremy.
05:25Go on, then.
05:26You tell me what.
05:27When somebody wants you out of the house.
05:29Well, listen to me.
05:30Why would I?
05:31Because you're a liar.
05:32Listen to me, then.
05:32You're a woman beater.
05:34And you're a coward.
05:34Listen to me, then.
05:35Tell the truth.
05:36Well, because if somebody wants you, Jeremy Carl, out of the house, they will phone up
05:45the police because they want to be somebody else.
05:49Why don't you leave her if she's so outrageously bad?
05:52That's why I'm here.
05:53Because I want truth.
05:56I want recognition.
05:58Spelled on.
05:58Recognition?
05:59Oh, I'll give you recognition.
06:00You're a woman beater.
06:04That's your recognition, isn't it?
06:08No, listen to me, Jonah.
06:11No.
06:12I was released yesterday, which they said no further action is going to be taken.
06:19Have you ever got, have you ever been prosecuted for violence against Sarah?
06:24Yes, because I hit her with a rolled up newspaper.
06:29You're a drinker and you're a beater.
06:31No, I can't.
06:32And the only thing that matters to me, you couldn't change your...
06:34But when you come driving back home and you back to a woman who is drinking...
06:40Then leave her alone and do one, you waste of space.
06:43Sarah's next.
06:47I'll tell you what, Jeremy.
06:48What I want is her to be on a live show.
06:51What I want her to do is to leave you.
06:53Why does she be on a live show?
06:56That's the best thing that you'd say.
06:59I'm only trying to make you see sense.
07:02You know what you're trying to make me happy?
07:04You always do one, Jeremy Kyle, because it's the Jeremy Kyle show.
07:06Everybody on here, the bloke is a big ****.
07:09The woman's always right because you are, you're right.
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07:52Welcome back to the Jeremy Kyle show.
07:54What are you supposed to do with something like that?
07:55I'm here with you and I've been very honest to you during the break.
07:58I am not, right, going to get involved in any of these situations unless people are honest.
08:03How many times has that been in prison?
08:06Oh, quite a few times.
08:07He's been in prison seven times.
08:09And how many times has he been prosecuted for violence against you?
08:13Oh, God, quite a few.
08:14Have prosecuted, so it will be on his criminal record.
08:16He has got a criminal record.
08:17So all of what he said out there, in effect, is BS.
08:21He has got a criminal record.
08:22Are you happy to come out here?
08:25Steve, I want you to do me a favour.
08:26I want you to move him and stand in the middle because she's naturally a little bit terrified of this
08:30man.
08:30Come with me.
08:31You have to tell him how you see it.
08:33You have to be honest.
08:39Sarah, you have to tell him nobody else can because he ain't going to listen to anybody else.
08:43You've got to stop the drinking.
08:46Can't go on like this.
08:49You've had a drink today, haven't you?
08:52I want some truth, Sarah.
08:54Have you been arrested for violence against this lady?
08:57She says on numerous occasions.
08:59Yes.
08:59Not just hitting newspaper, yeah?
09:01Yes.
09:02Have you been prosecuted for violence against this lady?
09:04Yes, I have, Jeremy.
09:06Right, okay.
09:06So why didn't you say that to me before?
09:08I did not say anything else, but...
09:13I don't want you to take it the wrong way because I think you're very sweet.
09:15In the end, what happens if you want the absolute truth is that the whole world gets bored.
09:19Because in the end, what they do is they say, you make your bed and you lie on it.
09:21You're a really sweet lady, right?
09:23An absolutely sweet lady who's undoubtedly been crushed to the point where she doesn't know right from wrong.
09:28This...
09:31I tell you what, Jeremy.
09:32What I want is her to be on a lie detector.
09:35What I want her to do is to leave you.
09:38Why would she be on a lie detector?
09:40That's what I want to know.
09:42Why would she be on a lie detector?
09:43I tell you what, Jeremy.
09:44That's the best thing that you've said.
09:47That is the best thing that you've said.
09:49Is this because you think she's cheated on you?
09:50Yes.
09:51I hope she's cheated on you repeatedly as much as she's beaten, been beaten by you.
09:55Because let me put this basically.
09:57And that's what you like out of a man, do you?
10:00You're not a man.
10:01You're a bully and a thug who beats women and doesn't admit to it.
10:05So if her comeback, oh, you feel insecure.
10:08She hasn't cheated on you.
10:09She's so wrapped up in you, mate.
10:11She'd never cheat on you.
10:12But this is in your head and it's your punishment.
10:13The reason why I'm here, Jeremy, is because of this.
10:17I don't want to go on anymore, Sarah.
10:22Oh, you want to finish the relationship?
10:24No, I don't want to finish the relationship.
10:27You wouldn't have any more money, though, wouldn't you?
10:28What I want is the truth.
10:30I want to know...
10:32How do you spell truth?
10:35How do you spell it, Jeremy?
10:37How do you spell it?
10:37How do you spell truth?
10:39How do you spell it?
10:40That means you can't then, yeah?
10:45T...
10:52U...
10:53Oh, is that T-R?
10:56T-R-U...
11:04One thing's for sure.
11:05When you go back to prison, which you will do very soon,
11:08as you kept your prison shirt on,
11:10you won't need to change, will you?
11:11No.
11:12I'm not interested.
11:13Fantastic, Jeremy.
11:14I'm not interested.
11:14What a lovely privilege to be on this show, isn't it?
11:18Darling.
11:19I'll tell you what.
11:20George, you're just...
11:20You are...
11:21You don't help anybody, do you?
11:23You do not help anybody.
11:26What you do is you look after your...
11:29You're just a joke.
11:29...and you look after your bank account.
11:31What did she say, Jeremy?
11:33What did she say?
11:33You're just a joke, Jules.
11:35No one's going to help you while you're like that,
11:36and you've had a drink this morning.
11:38You're just...
11:38You're just a disgrace.
11:39What?
11:43No, the joke is...
11:45No, you're the joke.
11:45...the situation that I'm in right now.
11:47Then why don't you do...
11:48You put yourself in the situation.
11:50My life, no more.
11:52You put yourself in it.
11:53I want to know exactly where I am in my life.
11:56Make your own life, then.
11:57I want to drive my direction.
12:00Why don't you do...
12:00I want to have a direction, Jeremy.
12:03Well, shut up and listen, then.
12:04George, give me my keys back, then.
12:05Because let me tell you something.
12:06There is nowhere else in the world that you will go to
12:08that will give you the help that this show will give you,
12:10but the one thing that I insist,
12:12whether you like it or not,
12:13and I don't care if you scream and call me every name under the sun...
12:16No, I have not.
12:16Shut up!
12:18Forget the shouting.
12:19Forget the confrontation.
12:21What do you know has been unacceptable behaviour, Julian?
12:26My attitude.
12:27Your drinking?
12:29Yes.
12:29Your attitude?
12:30Your violence?
12:31Everything.
12:32No.
12:32There is no violence.
12:36I don't want to go round in circles.
12:38The remit of this show is to help people.
12:40Have you been violent to her?
12:41You say that word.
12:42Have you ever been violent to her?
12:46That is...
12:48Graham, I guess our remit is to help everybody.
12:51When you said that we can't help you,
12:56how can we help you unless you identify what the problem is?
12:59And what you're doing right now is denying that you physically abuse this lady.
13:05Do you think you've got an alcohol problem?
13:11No, that is controllable, that is...
13:13No, Jeremy, no, I...
13:15I'm going to go home, mate, because let me tell you,
13:17I'm going to go home because you will never acknowledge...
13:19Have you got an alcohol problem?
13:21Yeah, but I've controlled it before.
13:23But when you go back home every night, Jeremy...
13:27I accept it.
13:28...to your other half that is drinking,
13:32then I'll tell you what, you won't last a minute.
13:35OK, let's make one thing clear here.
13:37You won't last a minute.
13:38You've gone home to the other half.
13:39When I was trying to do the right thing,
13:42and then you go back home,
13:43and it's like seeing...
13:46OK, let's...
13:46There you go.
13:47Three quick questions and this man will help you.
13:49Now, that's a very good question, Jeremy.
13:51It was a comment, it wasn't a question.
13:52No, I'm listening.
13:54Quick question, do you have a drink problem, yes or no?
13:57No, he's not,
13:57because he's just been in prison for eight weeks
14:00without any drink whatsoever.
14:02But he's drunk now.
14:02He's had a drink today,
14:04but he's not alcohol dependent,
14:06because he's just gone eight weeks without alcohol,
14:08and there was no repercussions as a result of that.
14:11Thank you, sir.
14:11So, OK, but...
14:12Thank you, sir.
14:12One point I really do want to clear up.
14:15Alcohol is not responsible for your anger.
14:17Quite right.
14:18OK?
14:18Yes.
14:19Alcohol is not...
14:20But, Sharon, it's an easy way out, isn't it?
14:23Alcohol is not responsible...
14:24You're through that door.
14:25...for the physical abuse
14:26that you, as a perpetrator of violence,
14:30she sustains.
14:31Alcohol is not responsible for that.
14:32Are you violent to her?
14:33All that alcohol is responsible for is this,
14:36that you cannot manage your anger when you are drunk.
14:40We will help you if you acknowledge one thing and one thing...
14:44You have to acknowledge this.
14:45Julian, Julian, no, no, no, no, no.
14:46One thing, and I promise you...
14:47I like the way you're coming from.
14:48OK.
14:49The best help you can get if you acknowledge one thing.
14:52You have an anger issue.
14:55There has been violence.
14:57Maybe occasionally you drink.
14:58This show is about acknowledgement,
15:00but we will help you,
15:01and we will help you for her sake.
15:03Thank you, sir.
15:06But please do not minimise your behaviour towards her, OK?
15:10Your behaviour has a profound effect on her,
15:12and you can't minimise that.
15:13You go with her and Graham.
15:14Give them a round of applause.
15:19APPLAUSE
15:23Right, the best of luck to them.
15:24My next guest today, Katie, is back on this show
15:26as she is desperate to know if her on-off partner, Michael,
15:28is using drugs while she is carrying his unborn child.
15:32Now, Katie says this really is his last chance to prove he's changed,
15:35and if he doesn't today step up to his responsibilities,
15:37she says, I don't care what's happened before,
15:39I am not taking him back.
15:42Katie is on The Kyle Show that way.
15:44APPLAUSE
15:50Take a seat.
15:52This is a relationship we met before, briefly,
15:54but this is a relationship that, with the grace of respect,
15:56has been a little bit...
16:00..unusual.
16:01On, off, on, off.
16:02You say today this is the final chance for Michael
16:06to save the relationship.
16:07You've been on and off for two years.
16:09Tell me about it.
16:09Why?
16:09What does that mean?
16:11Well, I'm pregnant with his child.
16:14Planned?
16:15No.
16:16Not planned.
16:18This hasn't changed him in the slightest bit?
16:20No.
16:21What's his behaviour been like since you told him you were pregnant?
16:24Changed.
16:25In what way?
16:27Three weeks ago, he came into mine,
16:30eyes glaring, red, stoned.
16:34He lied to us, went out of the...
16:36..like, went out of the shop at midnight,
16:40came back laughing his head off,
16:43and I asked him what he had,
16:44and he kept telling us to guess.
16:46Guess what drugs he had.
16:47And he brought them into your house,
16:48and you're all right with that, are you?
16:49No, I'm not.
16:50Is that the baby photograph?
16:52Yeah.
16:53How far gone?
16:5416 weeks.
16:55Everything OK?
16:57Mm-hm.
16:58Does that change how you feel about him
17:01in terms of his behaviour?
17:03Do you look back now and think,
17:04I've probably put up with it for too long?
17:06Mm-hm.
17:08Why are you getting upset?
17:10Because I've got a chat to think about...
17:15Is he ever going to grow up?
17:16What, is he 23 years of age?
17:17If it turns out he's telling the truth,
17:19I will apologise, but I want answers.
17:21And today, you say,
17:25he steps up where I'm going.
17:27I'm going to use this,
17:28because this will be bleeped out.
17:31Jeremy Carl is a d*****,
17:33chats rubbish.
17:35Michael's on the Jeremy Carl show.
17:44I'm a what?
17:45You're a d*****.
17:46Why don't you stop taking drugs,
17:48grow up and face up to your responsibilities,
17:50you little boy.
17:53I'm the one that gets constantly kicked out.
17:54What?
17:55I'm the one that constantly gets kicked out of.
17:57You're taking drugs in front of your pregnant girlfriend.
18:00What?
18:00It's not because I keep taking drugs at all,
18:02it's because Katie's hormones are all over the place.
18:04It is because you keep taking drugs?
18:05Her hormones?
18:08It's her fault that she's pregnant.
18:10Oi, it's her fault, is it?
18:13Did I say that?
18:13Who made her pregnant?
18:15God knows how I'm looking at you,
18:16but you did.
18:17And of course her hormones are everywhere.
18:19Do you ever work out what she feels?
18:21Why don't you tell him?
18:23I've had enough.
18:24Why haven't you told us this?
18:25Why bring her a...
18:26It's pain, it's pain, it's pain.
18:27And you don't listen.
18:28Babe, you haven't.
18:33It's me, not the drugs.
18:34You?
18:36You know this?
18:37If I found out you've taken any today, I'm gone.
18:40Why should she have you in the house
18:41if you're off your face three weeks ago
18:44you took drugs to her house?
18:46Yes or no?
18:46No, I didn't take drugs to her house at all.
18:48Yes, you did.
18:49There's never ever been drugs in your house.
18:51There's never ever been drugs in your house?
18:52I could smell it in my bathroom.
18:53There's never been drugs in your house.
18:55That is a whole lot of...
18:57Smell it behind me.
18:57Well, were you on drugs three weeks ago
18:59when you went to her house?
19:00So why would she want you there?
19:04It's like you don't...
19:05You seem to think that that's an unfair question,
19:08but you can't answer it.
19:09If you've got a drug problem,
19:10go and deal with it.
19:12Don't make her pregnant
19:13and don't sit there going,
19:14oh, it's her fault
19:15because they're almost around the place.
19:17Why would anybody be a druggie
19:19when she's pregnant?
19:20I'm hardly a druggie.
19:21Well, once.
19:23How long?
19:23How many times?
19:24Past week you've turned up to mine
19:26every few days.
19:27No, I haven't.
19:28I've turned, what, the past week?
19:29Past week?
19:29Past week since Friday
19:30that you kicked it out.
19:31I turned up Saturday
19:32and I turned up Sunday night.
19:33Larris talk.
19:34Extraordinary comment.
19:35I've got to tell you this.
19:36You've turned up.
19:36Katie, I've got to tell you this.
19:37He said to my team,
19:38and you're going to tell me you didn't say it,
19:41all she talks about
19:42is baby, baby, baby.
19:43No, I said she's got baby on the brain.
19:48Well, at least she hasn't got drugs on her brain, eh?
19:51At least she's trying to do the right thing.
19:53What do you expect?
19:54Her body's all over the place,
19:56her brain's upside down
19:57and you're off your face occasionally
19:58or whatever.
19:59What do you expect her to say, Michael?
20:02What do you expect me to say?
20:04What?
20:04Is it me?
20:05I'm a big man.
20:05What, who's coming?
20:06What, you're...
20:07Baby, baby, baby, baby.
20:08No, baby on the brain,
20:09she's a hormonal pregnant woman.
20:11I would have thought,
20:12you should have thought.
20:13Did I say it was a bad thing?
20:13Baby, baby, baby.
20:15And I'm only trying to make you see sense
20:17so the same thing doesn't happen again.
20:19You always do on Jeremy Kyle,
20:21because of the Jeremy Kyle show.
20:22Everybody on here,
20:22the bloke is a big...
20:24The woman's always right
20:25because you are, you're right.
20:26Is she taking drugs?
20:28No, she has in the past though,
20:29but I've never...
20:29She's pregnant with your baby.
20:31...against that.
20:31Everything you're sitting there saying
20:32that I'm using against her,
20:33I'm not using against her.
20:34She's got baby on the brain,
20:35that's a good thing.
20:36She's looking after number one.
20:38What's she done?
20:39Are you supporting her?
20:41Yes, I'm supporting her.
20:42Every single penny I get goes on her
20:43and she knows that.
20:46Sorry.
20:47See, the thing is,
20:47he thinks this is me.
20:49Are you happy the way he's treating you?
20:52No.
20:52Why haven't you said that to me?
20:54I have and you don't listen.
20:55You never talk to me?
20:55You don't listen.
20:56You never talk.
20:57Yes, I do.
20:58No, you never talk.
20:58Tell him what you feel now.
21:00Yeah, now, please,
21:01tell us how you feel
21:01and then maybe we'll do something about it.
21:03What have I been saying
21:04for the past two years?
21:05Two years ago,
21:06we were sat here on this stage
21:08starting this, right?
21:08Seems like yesterday.
21:09Let's sort it out.
21:11You want to sort it out?
21:12Sort it out.
21:12You need to get off the drugs,
21:13you're hurting us
21:14and it's not just me you're hurting.
21:15You say you're off the drugs,
21:16you've acted on a lie detector test.
21:17Yeah, you say you're going to pass.
21:18You say you want us to sort it out
21:19so shut up and let us sort it out.
21:20Will you stop speaking on it like that?
21:22No, you're not sort it out.
21:22He's letting us be
21:23and you sort it out
21:24right now.
21:27Two years ago,
21:28we were sat here
21:28and this started,
21:29so what?
21:31What's we doing?
21:31Are you going to pass
21:32the lie detector test?
21:33Let's find out.
21:35Well, the lie detector test
21:36has asked if you've taken drugs.
21:38Yeah, and I said no.
21:39If you feel, I'm gone.
21:40Right.
21:41After the break.
21:42Completely.
21:43Is that right?
21:44Okay, lie detector results.
21:45We're right back.
21:46Don't go anywhere.
21:47I know that.
21:48Yeah, take responsibility for you.
21:52If you feel this night attack,
21:53she's gone.
21:54How did she know you?
21:55She's gone.
21:56Apart from what you already mentioned,
21:57if you take any illegal drugs,
21:58you said no.
21:59Why'd you say no?
22:00Tell me.
22:11Thank you very much indeed.
22:12Welcome back for the break.
22:13Katie and Michael.
22:14So I see him leaning in
22:14and whispering.
22:15So you're going to wrap him
22:16around your little...
22:16He's going to wrap you
22:17around his little finger.
22:17No.
22:18What does she say?
22:18I'm not trying at all.
22:19Have you taken drugs?
22:21When?
22:22You say you're past
22:22the lie detector.
22:23Who's Natasha?
22:24Me friend.
22:25I've known us.
22:25Natasha's on the
22:26Jeremy Kyle show.
22:37She's pregnant with you.
22:39She's pregnant with you.
22:40Take responsibility for you.
22:44How does she know you?
22:46How does she know you?
22:47She's gone.
22:47How does she know you?
22:48Drugs, drugs, drugs.
22:49Money, money, money.
22:49She's going to be longer
22:50than what you have, love.
22:53Do I care?
22:54What do you care about?
22:55Katie and the baby.
22:56That's all I care about.
22:58The only thing I care about
22:59is our relationship.
23:00All right, so let's
23:00swing it around.
23:01So after troubles
23:02by your admission,
23:03you're going to come here
23:04today and do a lie detector
23:05and pass it.
23:06It's about you, Katie
23:07and the baby, yeah?
23:08Natasha, welcome to the show.
23:10You say my mate's
23:12getting a rubbish time
23:12off a bloke who has
23:13no idea how to treat
23:14a pregnant woman.
23:15He thinks we're all
23:16ganging up on him.
23:18You've been there quite.
23:18You can do so much
23:19better than him.
23:20You're not here.
23:21You're not on this
23:22short of day.
23:23For me, you're on
23:24for you and Katie.
23:25Katie, I don't care.
23:27You're on for you and Katie.
23:28You don't care about what?
23:30What do you care about?
23:31If you're f***ing die,
23:32the only thing I care about
23:33is my relationship.
23:35Your relationship
23:35can go f***ing die.
23:37Listen.
23:38Stop speaking not like that.
23:40You're a real charmer,
23:44you are, aren't you?
23:44No, I'm a completely
23:45out of f***ing family.
23:46Nice to meet you.
23:48Just leave that there,
23:49shall we?
23:49I don't think you even
23:50needed to see it
23:51because I think the most
23:51of this country
23:52already know that.
23:53Darling, why don't you
23:53put up with this
23:54irrespective of these results?
23:55I agree with you.
23:56Mate, what were you
23:57doing with that?
23:58If you really loved it,
23:59you'd have done something
24:00about this a long time ago.
24:01You've got such attitude.
24:02It's everybody else's fault,
24:04Michael, isn't it?
24:05Yeah, I can talk over you
24:05as well as you can talk
24:06over me, Jeremy.
24:07I've been trying to
24:08sort stuff out.
24:09But how far have you got?
24:10I've been trying for two years
24:10to try and sort stuff out.
24:12Every time I get somewhere,
24:13I get kicked out.
24:14Not for the drugs,
24:15for other reasons.
24:16I can go out the front door
24:17and go out the front door
24:19and not smoke drugs,
24:20not take drugs,
24:21and I'll be...
24:24What?
24:24Answer this.
24:25What?
24:26As soon as I leave
24:27the door,
24:28where are you?
24:28What are you doing?
24:32I've been trying
24:33to sort everything out.
24:34Every single time.
24:36So would it be fair
24:37to say that these results
24:38might be a building bridge?
24:39If he passes these,
24:40you say this shows
24:41that he's making an effort,
24:42yes?
24:42Now the results, please.
24:43And the fact
24:44that we're sorting stuff out.
24:45We've got relationship
24:45counselling booked on Friday.
24:47That's a step towards
24:48sorting stuff out.
24:49That's if you pass...
24:50Yeah, that's a step
24:51towards sorting stuff out.
24:52That was arranged
24:53before the drugs
24:53and everything, right?
24:55So you can't sit there
24:56and act all mis-innocent
24:57because we're both...
24:58Right, I've got a production
24:59note from the examiner.
25:00There's a shock.
25:02Michael admitted
25:03he did smoke cannabis
25:04recently whilst Katie
25:05was present, yeah?
25:07Why are you allowing him
25:08to smoke cannabis
25:09in front of you
25:09if you're pregnant?
25:10But he couldn't be sure
25:11if it was after
25:12she kicked him out
25:13or not,
25:13so he changed the question.
25:15Since Katie kicked you out
25:17two weeks ago,
25:19is that all right?
25:20Apart from what
25:21you already mentioned,
25:22have you taken
25:22any illegal drugs?
25:23You said no.
25:24Why did you say no?
25:25Blow me over.
25:27It says you're a liar.
25:34Come on, Michael.
25:35You don't care.
25:36I do care.
25:37When did you last...
25:38What are you expecting
25:38to follow up?
25:39When did you last
25:40take drugs?
25:40How many days ago?
25:42Five.
25:42Six.
25:43Six days ago.
25:45Why'd you take them
25:45six days ago?
25:46Because she threw you out?
25:47What'd you take?
25:47Because she kicked us out.
25:49Yeah, go on, right,
25:49listen, let's do this
25:51differently.
25:51What'd you take?
25:52Truthfully.
25:53I smoked legal high
25:53in green.
25:54You smoked a legal high?
25:56I smoked legal high, yeah.
25:57Despite the fact
25:58that 52 kids
25:59under the age of 18
26:00died last year
26:01from smoking a substance
26:02that's not for human
26:02consumption, yeah?
26:03And how'd you feel about that?
26:05There's a baby in her stomach,
26:0615 weeks of age.
26:07What if you've taken...
26:07What if you've taken
26:08an illegal high that killed you?
26:10She's sitting there.
26:10She's sitting there,
26:11all Miss Innocent, yeah?
26:13I'm not saying she's innocent.
26:14Everything's sorted
26:15between me and her.
26:16I'm sitting there,
26:16I try it, sorted out.
26:17You're interrupting,
26:18she doesn't want to say anything.
26:19She's just sitting there,
26:20she's telling me to listen.
26:21Talk.
26:23I give her an opportunity
26:24to talk, she didn't talk.
26:25Why did she lie?
26:26Because I'm going to sit there
26:27on Jeremy Cary,
26:28on national television.
26:29Have you taken legal...
26:30Have you taken drugs?
26:31Yes.
26:32But wouldn't that give you
26:34the chance to get her
26:35to believe you?
26:36Isn't that better?
26:37She knew it for a fact
26:38that was on it.
26:38She knew...
26:39Come with me.
26:40Come with me,
26:41I'm going this way.
26:42Come here.
26:43Come here.
26:44And as for finding drugs...
26:45Did you know six days ago
26:47he took drugs?
26:48No.
26:48Yes, you did.
26:49No, I didn't.
26:49Yes, you do.
26:50Were my eyes funny?
26:51Were my eyes funny?
26:52If my eyes were funny,
26:52you'd say I'm on drugs, yes?
26:53I asked you.
26:54I asked you.
26:55And as for the finding drugs,
26:57cover me on a pint,
26:57back me up on a pint.
26:58Did I find a bag of speed
27:00at work and sell a...
27:01Yes, I know.
27:03Back me up and I'd find drugs.
27:05Yeah.
27:05You didn't say you took anything.
27:07I asked you and you said no.
27:08You, you're high.
27:09Yeah, but you just admitted out there
27:11that you spent half an hour
27:12saying you didn't take any.
27:14I never said once...
27:15Yes, you did.
27:16You taught me and I asked you,
27:19did you take anything?
27:20He said no.
27:23I think it's a really simple thing.
27:25I don't know what Graham thinks.
27:27He'll go on and on,
27:30wrapping you around his finger
27:31until you go eventually.
27:33That's it.
27:33Nobody's perfect.
27:35Yeah, but people say that
27:36and darling,
27:36I actually don't want you to say that
27:38just for saying it.
27:40I want you to sit...
27:40But the point that you've got to work out
27:43is whether...
27:44He's just sat there and gone,
27:46what, you wouldn't come on Jeremy Carl
27:47and admit you've taken it?
27:48What if he'd come here and gone,
27:49do you know what, Katie?
27:50Six days ago, I was hacked off.
27:51I did this, I did that.
27:52I'm sorry.
27:52But for six days, I've been clean.
27:54I'm doing my absolute damnedest.
27:55Let's get some help.
27:56But he doesn't.
27:57He's a weasel
27:58and he always finds an excuse.
28:00And this,
28:01if I'm honest,
28:01that'll have again in the other six months.
28:03She can do so much better than him.
28:05I wouldn't even think about...
28:07I wouldn't even think about
28:08doing better than him.
28:09I'd think about this kid
28:11and being calm
28:12and being considerate
28:13and concentrating on that unborn child.
28:15Nothing.
28:16Come with me.
28:17He's still making excuses.
28:19It's all about
28:20it wasn't me.
28:21It's everybody else's fault.
28:23Typical addict.
28:24Not my fault.
28:25It's my fault,
28:26your fault,
28:27your fault,
28:27everything.
28:28Listen.
28:28It's not because the drug's actually
28:29kicked his out.
28:30She kicks his out
28:31and kicked you out
28:32because I could smell drugs
28:33in my house.
28:34There is never, ever, ever
28:35in this planet
28:36and I swear I'm unborn.
28:38Oh God.
28:39Don't die.
28:39Right?
28:40Bring us back
28:40for another life, sector.
28:41I swear I'm never born.
28:42Get lost.
28:42You're never going to pass.
28:44So what's the point in being here?
28:45Why didn't you come here and say it?
28:46I've never taken drugs in your house.
28:47Do you know why I've never taken drugs in your house?
28:48But you took them six days ago.
28:50You didn't get back from you, Tony!
28:51I do not buy drugs.
28:53I find drugs.
28:54I do not buy drugs.
28:55Steve,
28:56we just run around the place.
28:57What do you mean you...
28:58I will find drugs.
28:59Well, the country's just nixing with drugs.
29:01I will find dumpers
29:02and smoke dumpers.
29:03Right?
29:04People just wander around
29:05finding drugs.
29:06That's what happens.
29:07No, people go home,
29:08spend time with their unborn child
29:10on mother
29:10and then go to work.
29:11Do I find drugs?
29:14Doesn't matter.
29:15You should be snoring.
29:15You should be snoring
29:16when you find child sickness.
29:18Yes, yes I do.
29:19Do I find drugs?
29:20What do you like
29:20are the drugs
29:21that call them
29:21to a metal detector
29:22and just rush around
29:23and keep finding them?
29:24Tell this idiot
29:25that I find drugs.
29:26Idiot.
29:28Idiot.
29:29Where are we going now?
29:30I don't...
29:31Don't fall over the wire.
29:35Not only is he a drama queen, right?
29:37Not only is he a drama queen,
29:39he's a liar.
29:40And I have to say this calmly to you.
29:42I know you're pregnant.
29:43This will go on
29:45and on
29:45and on
29:46and you are worth more
29:47and your mate is right
29:48and you will be better
29:49in solitary confinement
29:50with your friends
29:51and your family
29:52than putting up
29:52with a guy
29:53who can't tell the truth
29:54who blames
29:55every other person
29:56in the world
29:57for his problems.
29:57He doesn't take responsibility
29:58for himself.
29:59None, does he, Graham?
30:00He doesn't.
30:01He doesn't.
30:01But something's going on
30:02in the relationship,
30:03to be honest,
30:03because he says
30:04when he turns to drugs
30:05it's because you've thrown him out.
30:07I throw him out
30:08because of the way he is.
30:09It's because he takes drugs
30:11is the reason I throw him out.
30:12Okay, okay.
30:13You have to make a decision
30:14at the end of the day
30:15in my humble opinion
30:16I'll sit you with Graham
30:17and all that.
30:17It's my child comes first.
30:19That's it.
30:19For the first time
30:20in your life
30:20and we say this
30:21to a lot of people
30:22on this show
30:22in the end
30:23your own relationship
30:24and the destructive nature
30:25of it is not
30:26the most important thing
30:26it is your child.
30:28I'm going to wish you
30:28the best of luck.
30:29Do the right thing
30:29seriously, okay?
30:31I'll leave you with Graham.
30:32Give him a round of applause.
30:33Thank you very much, Steve.
30:33Thanks, darling.
30:40The latter then,
30:41right,
30:41my next guest today,
30:42Paul,
30:42is here to demand answers
30:43from his ex-partner,
30:44Carol,
30:45whom he says
30:46recently walked away
30:46from their relationship
30:47with no explanation whatsoever.
30:49He says
30:49he is desperate
30:50to win her back
30:51and says
30:51he will not leave here today
30:53without her.
30:54Paul's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
31:04How old are you?
31:0520.
31:06Welcome to the show.
31:07You were in a relationship
31:07with Carol for five months,
31:09no kids,
31:09and I am here
31:10quite categorically
31:11to win my girlfriend back.
31:12Yeah.
31:14Let's talk about you and Carol.
31:16How did you meet?
31:17I think it was through
31:18a friend that we met.
31:19Sorry?
31:19It was through a friend
31:20that I met Carol.
31:21Are you nervous?
31:22I am.
31:22Don't worry.
31:23You're all right.
31:23Don't worry about them.
31:24They should be at work.
31:26Take your time.
31:27It's your moment.
31:28You met through friends.
31:29What was the relationship like?
31:30It was going well
31:31for five months,
31:33like,
31:33and then towards the end
31:34it sort of broke down.
31:36Why?
31:37It was like
31:37little arguments,
31:38and then...
31:39You told my team
31:40I'm really confused
31:41as to why she left me
31:43and I have never been
31:43so upset in my life.
31:45Yeah.
31:45She gave you no reason?
31:47Not a proper reason, no.
31:49How long ago was it?
31:50I think it was like
31:51last month,
31:52four months before.
31:53What's it been like for you?
31:54I mean, what's...
31:54Being proper depressed
31:55and miserable,
31:56not talking to family.
31:58What reason did she give
31:59for you splitting up?
32:00She just said she's had enough,
32:01but there was no proper reason.
32:03Have you ever been in love before?
32:05Not as much as we can, no.
32:07Okay.
32:08Let's get her out.
32:09Listen, it's a story
32:09that I think a lot of people
32:11in the audience
32:11would be able to understand.
32:12Carol's on the Jeremy Kyle show
32:14that way.
32:22I need answers off you.
32:23What are you doing?
32:23Carol, don't talk to me like that.
32:25I need answers off you.
32:25I really just don't want
32:26anything to do with you.
32:27You're stalking me.
32:29No, I'm not stalking you.
32:29You're stalking me.
32:30No, I'm not.
32:30You are.
32:31I'm not.
32:32I want nothing to do with you.
32:33Don't talk to me like that.
32:34I want nothing to do with you.
32:35I want the answers off you.
32:36I'm on this show
32:37because I want...
32:38You've called me.
32:39No, I haven't.
32:40You have called Jeremy Kyle
32:42to get me on the show,
32:44to get me back.
32:45No, yeah, I want answers off you.
32:46I've told you millions
32:47and millions of times
32:48I want nothing to do with you.
32:49That's fair enough,
32:49but I want answers off you
32:50because you've lied.
32:52Well, you've lied too, aren't you?
32:53Who are you?
32:54I'm Chris.
32:54Chris, why are you getting involved?
32:55Why am I getting involved?
32:56I don't know yet.
32:57Why am I getting involved?
32:58I don't know him.
32:58Who are you?
32:59I don't know him properly.
33:00You know that he's my cousin.
33:02I'm her cousin, Chris.
33:03What are you doing?
33:04Sit back down.
33:06No, I want to sit with my cousin.
33:07Sit back down.
33:08I want to sit with my cousin.
33:09No, sit back down.
33:11If he comes in here,
33:12I'll walk off
33:12because I've been threatened
33:13by him and his family.
33:15You've been threatened
33:15by him and your family?
33:16You've been threatening, Kayla.
33:16I didn't even talk to you.
33:17I have not threatened.
33:18Why did you end the relationship, darling?
33:20Because I could not bear
33:21to look at him anymore.
33:22I could not bear
33:23to even
33:25go near him
33:26because of what he's done.
33:28I just couldn't.
33:29Okay.
33:30Why can't you accept that?
33:32I can't accept that.
33:33You can't.
33:34Let me finish, Carol.
33:34You cannot accept
33:35that I want nothing
33:37to do with you
33:37and you brought me on this show.
33:39What do you mean,
33:40stalking, darling?
33:41He has been...
33:42I've blocked him
33:43and everything.
33:44I've got the police involved
33:45and he just...
33:46You told my team
33:47he won't stop.
33:47He's obsessed.
33:48He texts me
33:49a hundred times a day.
33:50He's obsessive
33:51and he's controlling
33:52and he's beginning
33:53with his behaviour
33:54to worry me.
33:55Answer that.
33:56How am I controlling?
33:58You tell me.
33:58When we were together
34:00you came
34:01every day
34:01and I told you
34:03I did not want you
34:04to come every day
34:05and you came regardless.
34:07It went every day.
34:08And I came...
34:10Sorry, who are you?
34:11I'm a daughter.
34:12I'm a mum.
34:13You're her daughter?
34:14I'm a mum.
34:15Sorry, why are you
34:16walking on like that?
34:17Because I don't like
34:18him talking to her
34:19like that.
34:20Right, come and sit down.
34:21Give the mother
34:21a round of applause.
34:29Just let me speak
34:30to your daughter.
34:31So you're saying
34:31that his behaviour
34:32is unacceptable?
34:33Yeah, it's just
34:34completely unacceptable.
34:36Are you texting
34:37a hundred times a day?
34:38I haven't texted her
34:38since.
34:39Since what?
34:40I've blocked you
34:40on everything
34:41but you have got
34:42because you could not
34:43get to me directly.
34:45I'm scared to go
34:46out of my house
34:47in case I see him.
34:48He's ruining my life.
34:49I want him gone.
34:49Is that true, mum?
34:51Yes.
34:52You're saying
34:53that I'm interfering.
34:55I'd better be right
34:55to interfere.
34:56She's my daughter.
34:57I don't understand
34:58you at all
34:59and I'm not trying
34:59to have a go at you.
35:00She doesn't want
35:00to be with you.
35:01What do you want me to do?
35:02Well, that's fair enough.
35:03But is it fair enough?
35:04Yeah.
35:04Chris, what were you
35:05saying earlier?
35:06He's just stalking
35:07constantly.
35:08He's actually walking
35:09outside of college
35:10and watching her.
35:11Is that true?
35:12I haven't been
35:12near the college.
35:13He's constantly texting her.
35:15I was in Blackpool
35:15with her
35:16and he's actually
35:17arguing in front of people.
35:19You can't be doing
35:20that to a young girl.
35:21It's horrible, right?
35:22It's horrible
35:23when you love somebody
35:24that don't love you back.
35:25But you can't beg them.
35:27However desperate
35:28you feel,
35:29you're nodding
35:30but you are
35:31making her life
35:32difficult, aren't you?
35:35You caused me anxiety.
35:37I cannot go out
35:38of my house
35:38because I think
35:39that you are going
35:39to turn up at my house.
35:40I'm not going to turn up
35:41anyway.
35:42You've been warned
35:42by the police, haven't you?
35:43He's been warned.
35:43Do you want to hear something
35:44in black and white terms
35:45and I'm not being horrible
35:46to you at all.
35:46I actually,
35:48I said it just then.
35:49I think we can all
35:49identify with you.
35:51One more
35:52and they'll arrest you
35:53and then they'll charge you
35:55with harassment
35:55because there was a new act
35:56in 97
35:57and that will happen.
35:58It's horrible
35:59and what am I supposed
36:01to do?
36:01Go there, there
36:02it'll be alright?
36:02I have to tell you the truth.
36:03The truth is
36:04you don't want to be with him.
36:05No.
36:05And if you carry on
36:06with your behaviour
36:07you'll get yourself in trouble
36:08and you'll get a reputation
36:09and people will get angry
36:10and it's a horrible,
36:12horrible, sad fact
36:12but you have to leave here
36:14and leave her alone.
36:16I understand that
36:17but I just want to know
36:18why.
36:19Be done with it.
36:19You don't,
36:20no, listen.
36:21Now you're going to get me angry.
36:22Look at me.
36:23You don't want to know why.
36:24You think that by asking her why
36:26you'll get to see her again
36:27and she might change your mind.
36:28No.
36:29Mate,
36:29I'm paid to be honest.
36:31She ain't going to change her mind.
36:32It's horrible, right?
36:34But you'll go away
36:35and you'll recover
36:36and you'll pick yourself up
36:37and in a year or a month
36:38or a week or ten years
36:40you'll look back on it
36:41but if you get yourself
36:42into trouble
36:43and you do something
36:44that's against the law
36:45it will be you who suffers.
36:47You don't want to be with him,
36:48do you?
36:49I do not want anything to do
36:50that I can't bear
36:51to look at him even.
36:52She doesn't want to,
36:53God, I hate this somebody.
36:55Why can't you just accept that?
36:56I am accepting it.
36:57But?
36:58You aren't accepting it.
36:59But what?
37:01You aren't accepting it.
37:03Stop it.
37:04No, you are not accepting it
37:05and you need to
37:06just deal with it.
37:08Well, okay,
37:08but I'm just wondering
37:09why Kayleigh there
37:11has texted me
37:13about...
37:13Because you have been
37:14texting her.
37:14Kayleigh there
37:14next to her cousin.
37:15Is she with you?
37:16You have been texting her.
37:17You have been texting her.
37:18She texted you back.
37:19Sorry, Kayleigh,
37:20can you help me out?
37:20Have you been texting him?
37:22Yeah, but he's always...
37:23He's constantly texting me.
37:25Saying what?
37:25Trying to get back in with her?
37:27Yeah, pretty much.
37:30You can't pester somebody
37:31who doesn't want to see you.
37:33I know.
37:33All you have to do
37:34is keep awake.
37:35Just keep awake from her.
37:37How hard is that?
37:38If she don't want to be with you...
37:39Will you leave her alone?
37:40Just take her...
37:40That's what I'm doing.
37:41No, will you leave her alone?
37:43Yes.
37:43Is that the comment?
37:44See ya.
37:45It's not live, is it?
37:46See ya.
37:47That's all.
37:50Graham's going to talk to you.
37:54It's the hardest thing in the world.
37:55I just want to say this to you.
37:57Because I do feel sorry for the guy,
37:58but I have to be strong
37:59because at the end of the day,
38:01you know,
38:02he will get himself into trouble.
38:04If you send any messages
38:05or your family send any messages,
38:07stop that.
38:07Just get on with your lives,
38:08change your numbers.
38:09Don't put stuff around about him,
38:11then he won't put it about you.
38:12You two go that way.
38:13Give him a round of applause.
38:14Thank you very much.
38:19It's a lesson, isn't it?
38:20I said it just then.
38:21I bet every single person
38:22watching this show today
38:23has been at some point in their life
38:26with somebody that they're completely
38:27and utterly,
38:27a million percent in love with,
38:28and you don't get it back.
38:30And walking away from that
38:31and accepting that
38:32and living with that
38:32is horrible.
38:33But here's a bit of advice.
38:35It wasn't only an advice,
38:35just a fact.
38:36You will go over it.
38:37You will move on.
38:38And if, like him,
38:39you can't or you won't,
38:40you'll get into trouble.
38:41And then that doesn't do
38:42anybody any favours.
38:43You have to take it on the chin
38:44and move on.
38:45After this break,
38:45we're back here.
38:46We'll lie detector results.
38:47Don't go anywhere.
38:48I'm right back.
38:49He thinks I'm having it
38:50off of somebody else.
38:52Are you?
38:53Definitely not.
38:54Since the start of your relationship
38:55with Fred,
38:56have you had sexual intercourse
38:57with anyone else?
38:58You said no.
38:58Why don't you say no?
39:11Right, my next guest today,
39:12Fred, is utterly convinced
39:13that his partner of 35 years,
39:15Lorraine,
39:15is cheating on him
39:16because she doesn't want
39:17to have sex with him anymore.
39:18Fred says when they first met
39:19she couldn't keep her hands off him,
39:21but that as the years have passed,
39:22her enthusiasm in the bedroom
39:23has faded.
39:25Fred wants to write
39:25to a lie detector
39:26to find out if she's been
39:27getting her fun elsewhere.
39:28This is a 69-year-old man
39:30who says,
39:30and I quote,
39:31I want it twice a day!
39:34Fred's on the Jeremy Carl Show!
39:41Good boy!
39:42Good boy!
39:45How are you, son?
39:46How are you?
39:47All right.
39:48All right, good.
39:48Nice to see you.
39:50Now, on a serious note,
39:5135 years with this lady,
39:54but never married.
39:55Great quote from you.
39:56Why not?
39:58Because we were as happy as we are.
40:00Didn't want to ruin it?
40:00No, I didn't want to.
40:01Good relationship?
40:02Yeah, good relationship, yeah.
40:04In fact, you told my team,
40:06love of your life.
40:07Yes, yes.
40:09So you met her 35 years ago,
40:11and you told my team,
40:12and you can speak up a bit,
40:13it was amazing.
40:14We were at it, well,
40:15all the time, to be fair.
40:16Yeah, when we were young, yeah.
40:19So what's going on now?
40:20Well, she just...
40:22She's gone on with it.
40:23I don't know.
40:23The last two years,
40:25she ain't been the same.
40:26What way?
40:27Oh, she's turned her back on me in bed.
40:30But more than just the physical side?
40:33Yeah.
40:33She's never said,
40:34I love you,
40:35or anything like that.
40:37In 35 years,
40:38she's never said,
40:39I love you.
40:40She's never said,
40:41I love you in 35 years.
40:42No.
40:43Why'd you stay with her?
40:44Because I love her.
40:47Don't you love, Fred?
40:50Got three lovely kids.
40:52Yeah.
40:52Got grandkids.
40:53Eight grandchildren.
40:54Eight grandchildren.
40:54Yeah.
40:55Do you think her priorities have changed?
40:57Do you think when you get older,
40:59people start to...
41:00She says I'm old.
41:02She says I'm old.
41:03She's 61.
41:05And I'm 69.
41:07You, you,
41:08I mean,
41:08as most men
41:09who are massively less secure
41:10than any woman in the world,
41:12all the men,
41:12all the men are going,
41:13yes.
41:14Um,
41:15you think
41:15if she's not being amorous,
41:18she must be being amorous elsewhere.
41:20Somewhere else, yeah.
41:21You don't honestly think that,
41:22do you?
41:23Half and half.
41:25Half and half.
41:25Have you spoken to her about your...
41:26Yeah.
41:27She says I'm mad
41:28and paranoid,
41:29isn't it?
41:30Paranoid, yeah.
41:31Paranoid, yeah.
41:32Um,
41:32she says,
41:33which I actually sort of
41:34completely get and love,
41:36I'm knackered.
41:37Into my grandkids
41:38and my knitting.
41:39I'm not interested,
41:41Fred,
41:41anymore.
41:42I just want to grow old gracefully.
41:44Lorraine's on the Jeremy Carr show.
41:45I love it.
41:46It's like...
41:53I don't know why you're casting.
41:55Stupid.
41:58How are you, Loz?
41:59Good morning.
41:59You've just come out
42:00and called him stupid.
42:02What's going on?
42:03He thinks I'm having it off
42:05with somebody else.
42:07Are you?
42:08No.
42:09Definitely not.
42:10He said
42:11that you are the love of his life.
42:13Yeah,
42:13so he says, yeah.
42:15And,
42:15and,
42:16and it's been amazing
42:17but you stopped being amorous
42:19and...
42:20So what's wrong with that?
42:22Well,
42:23what's wrong with that?
42:25Not for me to argue.
42:26That's twice a day.
42:27You know what I mean?
42:28What's going on then?
42:29Why have you...
42:29Nothing.
42:30I can't be bothered with it.
42:31What?
42:32Well,
42:32what he wants.
42:34Why?
42:35Why?
42:35Why?
42:36Why worry about it?
42:37Why can't...
42:38I just want to go to sleep.
42:39Why?
42:40Why?
42:41I mean,
42:42watch a German car all day long
42:44and go to sleep.
42:44That's what...
42:45Yeah.
42:46He wants to make love
42:47to the woman of his dreams.
42:49I can't be bothered.
42:52How does that,
42:53on a serious note,
42:54Fred,
42:54it doesn't make him...
42:55Tell her how it makes you feel.
42:57Well,
42:57it makes me feel rejected,
42:58doesn't it?
42:59Rejected?
43:04You've never told...
43:05No affections.
43:07You've never told him you love him?
43:09I don't think so, no.
43:11Why not?
43:11That's serious.
43:12Don't think about it.
43:14What do you think about him?
43:16No.
43:18Do you love him?
43:19Now?
43:19Not now, no.
43:21You don't love him?
43:21Not bringing me through this, no.
43:23Through what?
43:24Being on your show,
43:25trying to see if I'm cheated on him.
43:27Have you?
43:28No.
43:29But do you understand
43:30that if a man or a woman
43:31love their partner absolutely
43:33and they seem to switch off,
43:35that they're going to think
43:35the worst thing?
43:36They can think what they like.
43:37You don't mean to say
43:38you're having it off of somebody.
43:39No, I know that.
43:40Right.
43:41But why are you not
43:42wanting to be
43:43closer to him?
43:45In what way?
43:46How close does he want me to get?
43:47Well, I don't know.
43:48Ask him.
43:48I'm not sure.
43:49How close do you want me to get?
43:50How close?
43:51Oh, shit, I'll be that down again.
43:53Yeah, whatever.
43:55Do you love him?
43:56I did.
43:58So you don't want to...
43:59Why do you stay with him, then?
44:00I don't know.
44:01Just part of the furniture now.
44:05That's actually really sad
44:07and he's upset.
44:08He ain't upset.
44:10How are you upset
44:11bringing me all this way
44:12right across the...
44:14To prove things...
44:15To prove that I haven't cheated.
44:20You're going to be wrong.
44:21Oh, let's see it, then.
44:22Going to be wrong.
44:24Do you talk anymore or not?
44:26No.
44:28I don't really know
44:29what to do, Graham.
44:31So you don't talk,
44:32you're not physical
44:33and he's just like
44:34a piece of old furniture.
44:36Yeah.
44:36Well, we both are, really.
44:37Yeah.
44:38Don't you think...
44:38Here's Varsity, there's this.
44:40Don't make it sound
44:40doing it elsewhere, does it?
44:42When you constantly
44:42got it in your face,
44:44who is it?
44:45Must be doing it somewhere else.
44:47Must be doing it there.
44:48Must be doing it there.
44:50I mean, you can sort of
44:51have a point there.
44:52Before I go to the results,
44:53Donna, your mates in the audience,
44:54Donna, you know the couple well.
44:56You told us earlier
44:57this isn't a short-term thing.
44:59He's been on at her for years.
45:01What do you mean by that?
45:02Just, I think she's cheating
45:04all the time.
45:05She don't go nowhere.
45:06She doesn't do nothing.
45:07And in the end,
45:08what you're saying is
45:08I'm so constantly accused,
45:10I'm not interested.
45:11I'll switch the tap off
45:11because you don't trust me anyway.
45:13Let's do those
45:13double lie detector results.
45:14She told us this morning
45:15he's been going on
45:16about this for years.
45:17We'll start with yours, Fred.
45:19Yep.
45:2069 years of age,
45:2235 years together.
45:24I'm going to say
45:24act your age.
45:25That's not going to work.
45:26Since the study of
45:26Lorraine,
45:27have you had sexual intercourse
45:27with anyone else?
45:28He said no
45:28because he was telling the truth.
45:35Fred was telling the truth
45:36on every single question.
45:38Well done.
45:42She went,
45:43she went,
45:44she went,
45:45well done.
45:46Like I give a damn.
45:49How long has he been
45:50been in your ear
45:50about this?
45:51Oh,
45:52don't know how long.
45:53A couple of years,
45:54you said longer,
45:55Don, right?
45:55Could be longer,
45:56yeah.
45:56Yeah, it could be,
45:57yeah.
45:57Do you honestly think
45:58she's a cheat?
45:59No.
46:00Well, well, well,
46:01since the start
46:01of your relationship
46:02with Fred,
46:02have you had sexual intercourse
46:04with anyone else?
46:05She said no.
46:05Why'd you say no?
46:06I'm telling the truth.
46:07Of course she was telling
46:08the truth, Fred.
46:13What?
46:15What's wrong?
46:16She told the truth
46:17on every single question,
46:18Fred.
46:18It's a full ounce.
46:22Oh, can you?
46:24Oh, fuck.
46:24Fuck.
46:26Oi, oi, oi, oi.
46:27Yeah, this is the truth.
46:29It came to go.
46:29Yeah, this is the truth,
46:31isn't it?
46:31Fred, get here.
46:32No, don't want to do me.
46:33No.
46:34I want to know
46:34what this has done to you
46:35because this is the reality,
46:36Fred.
46:37You have been...
46:37This is it, there.
46:39This is it.
46:40I don't care about you.
46:41I've told you
46:42I don't care about you
46:43for what you've put me through.
46:44So, right.
46:45So, bye-bye.
46:47Go away.
46:48Is that it?
46:49That's it.
46:50Yeah, all right, Jerry.
46:51Don't worry about it.
46:51Can I get my friend off?
46:52All right, Jerry,
46:53don't worry about it.
46:55Listen.
46:56Listen.
46:57It's pretty obvious
46:58what he's put you through.
46:59Stop right there.
47:00Have you apologised to her?
47:01I have apologised more.
47:02I will do.
47:03I will do, yeah.
47:03It's too late for that now.
47:05You should never be here.
47:07I've told Jerry.
47:09You wouldn't be here
47:10unless you loved him,
47:11would you?
47:11It's not about the love.
47:12It's for the answers.
47:14It's not about the love.
47:15I'll tell you straight.
47:16It's not about love.
47:17Are you saying
47:18you're not going to be with him
47:19after 35 years?
47:20I can't.
47:20I can't.
47:21I've got to have a break.
47:22I've got to have a break.
47:23I even asked one of your
47:25researchers,
47:26tell Jeremy to send me
47:27on a break.
47:28So you're not going to
47:29send John Holiday now?
47:31Listen, if it was me,
47:33if it was me,
47:35I'd be groveling big time
47:37for a long, long time.
47:38He wouldn't have to grovel.
47:39Try now.
47:39Say sorry.
47:40Don't say I pass.
47:42You know you've done
47:43wrong by doing this.
47:44I'm sorry.
47:45You know you've done
47:45wrong by doing this.
47:4635 years,
47:48three kids,
47:49eight grandchildren.
47:50Don't go out
47:51and you're still
47:52doing this to me.
47:53No, I won't work
47:54with that about it, yeah?
47:55I'm leaving you with Graeme.
47:56Give him a round of applause.
47:59Goes to prove
48:00whatever your age
48:01and however long
48:02you've been with somebody,
48:03you need to communicate.
48:04She said,
48:04I have been nagged
48:05for years.
48:06It's done my head
48:07and we'll work with them.
48:08We hope,
48:09for their sakes,
48:09we can make it work.
48:10I'm out of time.
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