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00:00On today's show, she came round to yours, one thing led to another, you had sex?
00:07Yeah, I watched the film first.
00:10How old's the baby?
00:11She's nearly eight weeks.
00:14If she's my daughter, I'll be there 110%.
00:16I'll be there for her.
00:18Robin, you are!
00:19You really are!
00:20You are!
00:21Just look at her!
00:25The DNA test is not to show that Calvin...
00:37You are a tea leaf, aren't you?
00:39No.
00:39You stole the laptop?
00:41No, I borrowed it.
00:46He's running.
00:47Where's he running?
00:49Oi, Connor, where are you going?
00:50What are you doing?
00:52Come on, what are you doing?
00:54I thought you were going to be the good dad.
00:58Do a drugs test right now.
01:00Connor, let's go.
01:02Can you get it in the toilet?
01:07APPLAUSE
01:25Thank you, my friends, good morning, it was ever a big, big welcome to the show.
01:29Now, our first guest today, Calvin, says that he couldn't believe it when four months after a one-night stand
01:33with ex-Cali,
01:34he heard that she was pregnant and heard that she was claiming he was the father.
01:38Calvin says that since baby Lily's been born, he's started to doubt if she is, in fact, his daughter,
01:42and says he cannot and will not bond with the baby until he knows the truth.
01:46That is why he's here.
01:47It's a massive day for the guy.
01:48Calvin is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
01:57I'll tell you what your face tells me, you've got that look.
02:01You're about 15 minutes away on a serious note from finding out whether you're a father or not.
02:05This is about you and Callie, also 25.
02:08You knew her at school, lost touch.
02:11Then, a year and a half ago, this is romantic, Jeannie, stay with me,
02:14you started making contact together.
02:16How did you manage that?
02:19First book.
02:20Oh!
02:21Anyway, you and Callie got back into contact, met up, and then what happened?
02:26Actually, I didn't even ask that, but basically...
02:27Well, you know, you know, oh, yes.
02:29I'm joking, I'm joking.
02:32Jeannie's just looked at her daughter and gone, what does that mean?
02:36She came round to yours, one thing led to another, you had sex?
02:40Yeah, I watched the film first.
02:43Why didn't you have slave sex?
02:44Why didn't you put something on the end of it?
02:46I was a stupid boy.
02:48Okay.
02:49One night stand, nothing.
02:51What, you didn't talk in the morning?
02:52You woke up and thought, whoa!
02:54No, we didn't, we did, mate.
02:55We talked for a couple of days after that, and then obviously just lost contact.
02:59No, there was no strings attached, there weren't like that.
03:01And literally, literally, four or five months?
03:03It was four months, four months later, mate, it was.
03:06What did you hear?
03:07How did you hear?
03:07Well, I didn't.
03:10Basically, you're going to love this, aren't you?
03:12She messaged me on Facebook and said,
03:16can you get in touch with your Calvin?
03:18I'm four months pregnant, and it's his.
03:20So obviously, I rang her.
03:22You know, I got in touch with her straight away,
03:23because I thought, whoa, whoa, a bit overwhelming and whatnot.
03:27And I rang her, and I was like, I was a bit of a coward,
03:29because I took it in straight away.
03:31I was like, yeah, yeah, because that's what I'm like, Jeremy.
03:33And to be fair to this kid, and I should say this,
03:35I can say kid, because you're half-made.
03:37You went to the scans?
03:39I went to one scan.
03:40She had two, but I only went to one.
03:41Rewind.
03:42You went to one scan, yeah.
03:44I went to...
03:45Were you at the birth?
03:45I was, mate, yeah.
03:47And at this time, believed absolutely that the child was yours,
03:51or had doubts early doors?
03:53I always had doubts.
03:55I always, but I didn't want to hurt her.
03:58I didn't want to hurt her feelings.
03:58Why did she have doubts?
04:01Because she told me after four months, Jeremy.
04:03I mean, what, a period?
04:04I mean, you miss a period for four months.
04:07You know what I mean?
04:08And then...
04:08It's not my favourite subject.
04:09No, I don't know.
04:11Anyway, did she ever, in any of that time, in those five months,
04:15did she ever say to you, you're not?
04:17No, she always told me.
04:19100%?
04:20Always been, yeah, 110%.
04:21She's always told me she's mad.
04:23Erm, name's on the birth certificate?
04:25Yeah, it's my, yeah.
04:26How old's the baby?
04:27Erm, she's nearly eight weeks.
04:29Okay.
04:29Why do you have doubts apart from the four months?
04:32Is it because you've heard other things?
04:33Is it just you don't think the baby looks like you?
04:36What is it?
04:36Basically, basically, what it is, when we went to the scan,
04:40and it was working dates out, the woman in the scan room
04:42added a week extra onto it and said,
04:45you're a week for everyone, right?
04:47But I still, I was still there, Jeremy.
04:51There's more I could have done.
04:52It's like, I went to a, I went to a blood, a blood test with a wee sample,
04:57which took, I couldn't take work off,
04:59I couldn't take it off work all the time to go to one.
05:01Have you paid, have you paid money to us?
05:03No, I haven't, no.
05:03But you've seen the child?
05:04Yeah, I've seen, yeah, I've seen it.
05:06Did you feel a bond?
05:07No.
05:08Whose idea was this?
05:10What do you mean?
05:11To come here.
05:11It was mine.
05:12She, to be fair to her, said, you're ridiculous.
05:15This is utterly stupid.
05:16She's 100%.
05:17You're humiliating me.
05:19She actually said, you're trying to get out of your responsibility.
05:21I'm not trying to get on my responsibilities.
05:23If she's my daughter, if she's my daughter, Kelly, I'll be there 110%.
05:27I'll be there for her 110%.
05:29Robin, you are.
05:29You really are.
05:31You are.
05:32You are Lily's dad.
05:35Let's get Kelly on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
05:45Kelly, welcome to the show.
05:47Um, didn't want to be here today, humiliating, because you're 100% sure, right?
05:50Why did you come then?
05:51Because I just want to prove.
05:53I just wanted to tell Calvin that he is by his father.
05:57Why did you wait four months just out of interest?
06:00Because I didn't find out till I was four months.
06:02Didn't you?
06:03No.
06:03And that happens.
06:03He was my childhood sweetheart.
06:05I fell in love.
06:06We lost touch.
06:07We got back in touch, and this was fantastic.
06:10Yeah, yeah.
06:11Was she your childhood sweetheart?
06:12We had a little thing at school.
06:14Yeah, yeah, yeah.
06:15And we bought it one.
06:16Why didn't you have safe sex with him then?
06:18Because I was actually on the pill.
06:21And that's how I got, I thought.
06:23Did you feel used afterwards?
06:24Was it meant to be a one night stand for you, or did you want more?
06:28I didn't feel used.
06:29I did a little bit, but not much.
06:32I did.
06:32Did you want more off?
06:33I never made you feel like that, can't you?
06:34What?
06:34I never made you feel like that.
06:36We talked afterwards.
06:37Yeah, I know we talked.
06:38Listen, I don't want to drag you through this, but if I've got doubts, Cali, I need to know.
06:42Yeah, I know.
06:42Don't talk about it, I know.
06:43I'm not being nasty towards you, but I need to know.
06:46Come on, you told me after four months, right?
06:48If Lily's mine, 110%, I'll be there.
06:50I'll provide for her.
06:51And do you know what?
06:52I've got you nothing.
06:53I've done it, but do you know what?
06:54In my flat, I swear to God, in the room in my flat, it's full of stuff I've bought for
06:58Lily.
06:59I mean, look, she's beautiful, right?
07:00But you know...
07:03Just look harder!
07:04I know, I know.
07:06But at least he's here.
07:08At least he rang the show.
07:09At least it's as quick as eight weeks.
07:11And at least, Cali, this man came to a scam.
07:14Is he better be doing it now, or doing it in a few years, when she knows?
07:16You know what I mean?
07:17When she knows more, is it?
07:19Because it's not just me, Cali.
07:21People...
07:22I'm not letting people get him here.
07:23But other people are coming up to me and saying...
07:25100%.
07:26Didn't suit anybody else.
07:26He's the dad.
07:27We'll go to a break, we'll do the results, and when we come back, you say, I will step
07:31up to the mark, I'll be there for her, I want to be.
07:33100% if she's mine, I'll be there.
07:35So if she's here, if he's the dad, can we reunite, do all of the stuff that we do?
07:38We're back after this break.
07:39All important DNA, don't go anywhere.
07:41The DNA test results show that Calvin...
07:47You are a tea leaf, aren't you?
07:48No.
07:49It's not the laptop.
07:50No, I borrowed it.
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08:27Thank you very much and welcome back for the break, talking to Calvin and Callie.
08:31Chartered sweethearts met up again 14, 15 months ago.
08:34One night stand, talked for a couple of days.
08:36Nothing, he says, can you imagine my shock?
08:39Four months later, I find out from her that I'm, you know, I'm going to be a dad.
08:42She's 100%.
08:43I've got doubts.
08:44I'm not trying to be disrespectful.
08:45I've waited until this baby was born.
08:47I've got another kid.
08:48I've got stuff.
08:49I've got a job.
08:50I'll be a dad.
08:51I just need the proof.
08:52My name is on the birth certificate.
08:55I believe this guy will do that.
08:56I promise you.
08:57All right.
08:58You didn't sleep with anybody else?
09:00No.
09:00What do you want to say to him?
09:01Thank you very much, dear.
09:01What do you want to say to him?
09:02What do you want from him when you confirm that he's the dad?
09:04Well, basically, all I want from him is to step up.
09:08She'll be there in a week.
09:09To step up.
09:10To step up for the leg.
09:13The DNA test results show that Calvin
09:18is not the child's biological father.
09:23Didn't sleep with anybody else then, love?
09:25Come here, you.
09:26You're better than that.
09:27Are you sure, love?
09:28Yes, I'm positive.
09:29Well, you can't be, because he's not the father.
09:32He is the father.
09:33I should know.
09:34Tell him.
09:35There's a no percent chance that he's the father.
09:39Calvin, get here.
09:40You're better than this.
09:41I am not running.
09:42I'm not doing the Carl Olympics.
09:44Get him back here now.
09:45Can you bring him back?
09:46He is not the father.
09:48Fact.
09:49And your tears have dried up instantly.
09:51So stop lying, because you had sex with somebody else.
09:54And a very nice, decent bloke who's got a job and wanted the truth has been a really nice guy.
10:00I'm sorry.
10:02You were right.
10:07Don't sit there looking pious, love, because you're a woman, right?
10:11Enough of these blokes don't give a damn.
10:13They don't pay.
10:13They don't want to know.
10:14This is a bloke who rang this show and said, I want the truth.
10:16I've got doubts.
10:17I need to know.
10:18You want to start talking to him right now.
10:20You put his name on the birth certificate.
10:23Yeah, I did.
10:24Well, what was it?
10:25An immaculate conception then, or what?
10:27No, it wasn't.
10:27So did you sleep with somebody else, right?
10:29No, I didn't.
10:30Well, of course you did.
10:31It doesn't just happen.
10:32Even Gene will tell you that.
10:33He can't just walk down the road and go, oh, I want a baby.
10:36He was right.
10:37And you haven't even said sorry.
10:41I've won my son to meet him at the hospital.
10:44Calvin, I'm sorry.
10:45I'm really sorry.
10:47Your mates in the audience, is it Daniel?
10:49Yeah?
10:50What did you think?
10:51Did you think that he was just being silly or did you think that his doubts were well-founded?
10:54Because that's the truth.
10:56Do you know what?
10:57I had doubts, to be honest.
10:58It's a good job I did this one.
11:01Good dad?
11:03Yeah, he's an excellent dad.
11:04He's got to learn something about me if I knew.
11:05I've been there.
11:06If I had that feeling as I've been a dad, I didn't.
11:08Well, he's like this.
11:10Come on, you've got to start speaking, lady.
11:11Come on.
11:12If you were a bloke, they'd be hollering.
11:13Oh, you do this, you do that.
11:14You haven't even apologised to him.
11:16Do you know how much stress this has caused me?
11:18I think you're telling me, dictating to me, texting me and telling me I'm not being there.
11:23I'm not doing this.
11:24I'm not doing that.
11:25That is why, because I knew-
11:27Honestly, I thought I was 100 percent.
11:29Calvin, you weren't that.
11:30Sorry, I know I come from a different planet, right?
11:32But here's the thing, you had sex with another man, didn't you?
11:37Yes, I did, yes.
11:40Well, you just said you didn't.
11:42So now you know who the father is?
11:44Yes, I do.
11:45Your mouth, I haven't heard I'm sorry to a man who's all right, you know?
11:49I did, I did say I was sorry.
11:51How dare you do that?
11:53Who do you think you are?
11:56If that guy here, this guy had not pushed for this, you'd have had him bring your kid up, wouldn't
12:01you?
12:01You'd have had him pay for your child, you'd have dictated, you'd have called the shots, and you'd have run
12:06around.
12:06I really like you, I really like you, and you don't deserve it, but you know what, the thing is,
12:15at least you know the truth, whoever upsetting, and you've shown yourself to be an amazingly good dad, and a
12:19good bloke, and I'm sorry, genuinely sorry, but better to know, right?
12:23Watch his reaction, look at your reaction, you're not crying now, are you?
12:28Why did you lie, because you knew he was a good bet?
12:31No, I didn't.
12:32Yes, you did, you knew he'd pay, you knew he'd step up to the mark.
12:35That's exactly what you did.
12:36That's nothing like it, aren't you?
12:38Four months?
12:39No, I didn't find out till I was four months.
12:41Whatever.
12:42Do you know who the father is?
12:43Yes, I don't know who it is.
12:44What happens now then, bud?
12:46Run for the hills.
12:48You ever have a one-night stand again?
12:49Go and enjoy my son.
12:51Go and enjoy your son.
12:52And you know who the father is?
12:53Yes, I do, yeah.
12:55We're done.
12:55Watch it, but on the end of it.
12:57I love it, you're a top, top man.
12:58Calvin and Callie, give them a round of applause.
13:00Thank you very much for the rest of your day, pal.
13:01Nice to do it.
13:02That's a good man, well done.
13:06Right, my next guest this morning, Kirstie, says that she's desperate for boyfriend Chris
13:10to prove that he hasn't stolen from her mother again.
13:13Kirstie forgave Chris after he admitted stealing a laptop from her mum.
13:16However, a silver necklace of value of her mum's has gone missing.
13:19And now, surprisingly, everyone's pointing the finger at Chris.
13:22Kirstie says, I'm here for the truth.
13:24I know he didn't do it.
13:38I know that you are four and a half months pregnant with Chris's baby.
13:42Yeah.
13:43Lovely.
13:44Let's just be honest, because I want you to understand something, right?
13:47You've been with this guy a year, you're four and a half months pregnant.
13:49He's 11 years older than you.
13:50You are completely and utterly in love with this bloke.
13:53The fact of the matter is that this bloke nicked a laptop from your mother.
13:58Well, no, he didn't nick it.
13:59He nicked the laptop and took it to the pawn shop and got money.
14:02Yes or no?
14:03Well, no.
14:04He didn't mean to nick it.
14:06It was boring it.
14:06Because my mother was mourning and having a go at me all the time, basically,
14:11and putting the stress on me.
14:12About what?
14:13About everything.
14:14She just moans about everything.
14:15And then, obviously, me being pregnant, it isn't good with the stress on me.
14:19And, obviously, he went down to go and get money.
14:22Obviously, he took the laptop, he went and got the money, came back,
14:25he got my mother some cigarettes and asked some tobacco and stuff.
14:29Because she didn't have the cigarettes and she went off on one.
14:33Let me get this absolutely straight, because quite obviously,
14:35I come from a different planet, right?
14:38You're pregnant by your 31-year-old boyfriend,
14:41who, because you and your mother were at each other's throats,
14:44because you're pregnant and stressed, she wanted a fag.
14:48Basically, yeah.
14:49So he nicked her laptop, went to the pawn shop, got some money,
14:55without telling her, because that's thieving, close brackets,
14:57bought some fags, and that's a really nice gesture, isn't it?
15:00Well, he shut her up, didn't he?
15:04He's a liar and a thief.
15:06Well, no, he's not.
15:07Now we're back here, aren't we?
15:08Because apparently, a silver necklace has gone missing,
15:10and you've delivered the coup de grace
15:12in the history of the Jeremy Carshall.
15:14I cannot understand why anybody around me,
15:17especially my family, think it's him.
15:20Because he's nicked before!
15:22Do you not think that's right?
15:25I don't know, and he hasn't nicked anything.
15:28Basically, we're just going around and saying it's false.
15:29The only reason he admitted about the laptop is your mother said she was going to check the CCTV.
15:35True or false?
15:36True, because he didn't want, he didn't want,
15:38yeah, well, he didn't want the police involved.
15:40But he stole it!
15:42No, he's there for!
15:43Oh, you know what, just grab him on.
15:45Do what?
15:46Grab him on.
15:47So you are going to defend him whatever?
15:49Yeah, I am.
15:50Right, your mother says,
15:52I'm 100% sure that Chris has stolen my locket necklace.
15:55He only admitted to stealing the laptop once I told her I was going to check the CCTV.
15:59I'm sick of this coming between me and my daughter.
16:01If he fails the lie detector, I want him to stay away from me and my home.
16:04I don't want anything more to do with him,
16:05and I hope he will not get in the way of my relationship with Kirstie and my grandchild.
16:09I don't trust him.
16:10Chris is on the Jeremy Cowell Show.
16:21You are a tea leaf, aren't you?
16:22No.
16:23You stole the laptop?
16:24No, I borrowed it.
16:27Listen, can I just be really honest?
16:29I know that you think you're the big man because you're 31 and your bird's 20 and pregnant,
16:33but it doesn't wash with anybody with a brain cell, all right?
16:35The truth of the matter is, if you were simply borrowing the laptop,
16:38you'd have told her mother, wouldn't you?
16:40You nicked it and took it to the porn shop,
16:43and only got found out when she threatened you with CCTV and the police,
16:47because you're a tea leaf, aren't you?
16:48No.
16:49Yes, you are.
16:50Of course you are.
16:53I took it to the...
16:54Right, for the simple fact is, I had nothing but aggro for the whole three months I was there.
17:00I had to literally have to put up with three months of her cats, her dogs,
17:08all over the house, I had to...
17:10Why don't you go and get your own house and not steal other people's things, babe?
17:17I was literally paying up with things myself, right?
17:20Oh, dear.
17:21I had problems at home.
17:23Did you?
17:23Yeah, I'm not surprised.
17:24Probably because you stole everything.
17:25Here's the thing.
17:25No, it wasn't.
17:26Why wouldn't you tell her I'm taking your laptop to cash wherever,
17:29and I'm going to come back with some fags, which will de-stress you?
17:32I had no option, right, to stay there for three months.
17:35I had problems at home.
17:36Did you have an option to take the laptop without asking her?
17:39Well, no, I didn't have an option.
17:41You stole it, didn't you?
17:42No, I didn't.
17:43Tell me about the locket.
17:44What locket?
17:46Well, the mother says that you've stolen it.
17:48Yeah, exactly.
17:48This is the thing, right?
17:50I see it on the mantelpiece.
17:51That is as far as it went with her.
17:54All I got told, then it's gone missing.
17:58I'm the one that gets accused every time.
18:00Well, that's because you missed the laptop.
18:02Yeah, the laptop, the money I borrowed to sort it all out.
18:06To sort it all out?
18:07You bought some fags, you doughnut.
18:09You hardly didn't sign a NATO peace treaty, did you?
18:12But that's all I got was nothing but agro for the whole three days.
18:15She had no fags.
18:16I thought it was three months.
18:17Yeah, because I was there for three months.
18:19No, it was there for three months.
18:19But three days, I trust your boyfriend.
18:22Yeah, I do.
18:22Did you steal the locket?
18:23No, I didn't.
18:24How many people in the audience think that this man stole the locket?
18:26Yeah.
18:28But I guess the interesting thing is that if he even stole the locket,
18:30you'd forgive him that as well, wouldn't you?
18:33No.
18:34You wouldn't?
18:34No, I'm not going to forgive him if he stole the locket.
18:37You stole the locket?
18:37No, I didn't.
18:38Let me in the eyes.
18:39No, I didn't.
18:40Interesting.
18:40We'll go to a break.
18:41A lie detector next.
18:42I'm right back.
18:43One question, Chris.
18:44Did you steal Alison's necklace and locket?
18:46You said no.
18:47Why'd you say no?
18:47Just tell me the truth.
18:50She was going to be there last time.
18:52Why not?
18:52I don't know.
18:53You really don't know.
19:25I don't know.
19:25I don't know.
19:25I don't know.
19:26I don't want anything more to do with him and I don't want him to affect my relationship
19:28with Kirsty and the grandchild.
19:30Now, you both hold onto the belief that you simply pawned the laptop to help out a situation,
19:38but you say it's unfair that you are being labelled as a tea leaf again and that the situation
19:44is, and I probably should have picked up on this before, the house is, there's a lot
19:47of stuff in the house and this could quite easily have gone missing.
19:50Yes.
19:50Did you steal it?
19:51No, I didn't.
19:52Do you believe that if you prove with this today that you didn't, that that will help
19:58you and Kirsty, but more importantly, maybe Alison's view of you?
20:02Yes, and I'm hoping it'll put closure to it, because at the end of the day, I'm too scared
20:07to even move from the seat, you know.
20:10What seat, that seat?
20:11No, from the inner house.
20:13Why don't you go somewhere else, seriously?
20:14Well, obviously, Kirsty's relationship with her mum, do you know what I mean?
20:19I don't want to...
20:19Is your relationship good with your mum?
20:21In small doses.
20:23Sorry?
20:23In small doses.
20:25Right.
20:25But I try to keep a good relationship between them.
20:28Yeah, okay.
20:28All right.
20:29You said that if he failed this, you won't be very happy.
20:31No, I will be disappointed, because I want the answers and why he lied to me.
20:36This audience will believe, this audience will believe that he stole it.
20:39Yeah, well, if he stole it, then I want the answers, like where is it and why did he steal
20:43it?
20:43Yeah, well, I'm having a baby with a bloke who thinks it's all right to nick things.
20:47Well, I'm not going to leave him, just over and lock it.
20:49One question, Chris, did you steal Alison's necklace and lock it?
20:52You said no, why did you say no?
20:53Just telling the truth.
20:54Well, blow me over, you've failed the test, you're a liar.
21:02But still, the light won't switch on, because I'm in love with him.
21:06He's a tea leaf, a horrible, dirty little liar who thinks it's all right to do that to your mother.
21:12And the next time, right, you forgive him, work it out.
21:19What, you're not going to ask him?
21:21Oh, yeah, well, at the end of the day...
21:22You're not going to ask him, you're not going to put him on the spot, right?
21:25Well, yeah, it's a conversation between me and him.
21:27I don't need the whole audience and you to sit there and watch me burst out in tears and ask
21:32him why...
21:32How does that make you feel?
21:34Well, I'm obviously disappointed, but at the end of the day, it's a conversation between me and him,
21:38not me and you and him and the audience.
21:39Make sure your eyes are in the back of your head, because you'll probably nick your jumper.
21:43Nothing to say then, no?
21:45Well, I don't know what else you want me to say.
21:48Did you steal...
21:50Unbelievable, what happened in my life?
21:52Sorry, did you steal the necklace then?
21:53No, I didn't.
21:54Oh, so the test's wrong?
21:56Well, is the test wrong?
21:59Is the test wrong?
22:00Well, it's a 50-50 chance, isn't it, basically?
22:02No, no, don't even do that.
22:05No, mate, don't even do that.
22:06What do you mean there's a 50-50 chance?
22:08The last time I seen that locket, right, it fell on the floor, right?
22:15No, don't worry, no.
22:16Just to put it out.
22:18No, that is the last time I saw that.
22:19Can I just say something, whether you like this or not?
22:21No, no, at the end of the day.
22:23You stay with him and you will end up being hurt as well.
22:26You're young and dumb and in love and that's fine.
22:28He's a thief.
22:29It's funny how you want your word across,
22:31but yet you're not letting me get my word across.
22:33Justify what you just said, then.
22:35It's not 50-50 at all.
22:36Well, there it is, the amount of people I've seen on this show
22:38and you've gone, oh, yeah, well, it could be right.
22:40Well, why don't you damn well do one, then,
22:41and take your lying, cheating boyfriend
22:43and go and steal some other stuff somewhere else?
22:45I'm dumb.
22:47Get up.
22:47Go on, do you know what?
22:49Just get out of my building, do whatever.
22:55Do you know what frustrates me about stories like that?
22:57That girl will just believe anything he says
22:59and they'll probably stay together,
23:00but at the end of the day, that's her business.
23:02Right, let's continue.
23:03You might remember my next guest from a previous encounter
23:05on this very stage.
23:07Take a look at this, my friends.
23:09Now, you had a one-night stand with Leah.
23:12Yeah.
23:12You say it was a huge mistake,
23:14and you told my team there could be 20 potential dads.
23:17Well, she got a bit of a reputation.
23:19Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:19That's what?
23:25Do you think that's the right way to talk about a woman?
23:27Because if you had sex with her and you had a one-night stand,
23:30wouldn't you be the male equivalent?
23:32Yeah, I am, yeah.
23:34Oh, you think it's funny, do you?
23:36No, no, no, no.
23:37Why is it funny?
23:39Because it is.
23:39Why is it funny?
23:40You're the big man out the back.
23:42You were giving it large.
23:43You sit there like a little boy, don't you?
23:45The fact is, you could be a father in five minutes,
23:47and I don't think it's funny because everybody else in this room,
23:50probably her and the rest of us, will be doing your dirty work.
23:53Why don't you grow a pair and be a man and take it seriously?
23:56What's wrong with that?
23:57That's you, isn't it?
23:59That's your response, is it?
24:00Yeah, man.
24:02Unbelievable.
24:03So it's a massive moment, isn't it?
24:04Yeah, yeah.
24:05Because if you discover the biggest moment of my life to be here.
24:08That's honest.
24:09That's the most honest thing you've said since you've got it.
24:11What would you want if the kid was yours?
24:13To be a dad, to grow up.
24:15The DNA test results show that Connor...
24:21Time to grow up, he is your child.
24:27You can be the catalyst to actually make someone of your life.
24:29Yeah.
24:30That's your son.
24:32I don't think I've ever seen anybody with your reaction
24:34and I've been doing this a long time.
24:36That was all bravado out there.
24:38That's your reality.
24:39Yeah.
24:40How do you feel?
24:41She can live for...
24:42Wow.
24:43He's looking at you.
24:44What are you going to say to him?
24:45I'm going to promise him.
24:46Is he waiting?
24:48He ain't going to make one more.
24:49Don't promise him because I don't let him down.
24:51Don't then.
24:52I won't.
24:54Surprise, surprise, because people who watch this show will know
24:57there's one thing that annoys me more than anything else, right?
25:00It's when somebody says something like that and then lets you down.
25:03Leah says that since the show,
25:05Connor has shown no interest whatsoever in being a father to his son.
25:09She claims he's more interested in partying and chasing women
25:12than spending time with their son.
25:15She's here today to say, you know what, you have to start
25:17and it has to happen because if you don't,
25:19I'm not putting our kid through this.
25:21Leah is back on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
25:32And for me, we do that whole story, he's like a little kid,
25:37he's like a petulant baby and then this story unfolds.
25:41His reaction, I mean, he said, you know, there were 20 potential fathers.
25:44He was so rude to you.
25:45Yeah.
25:46And yet when it came out that he was the father, there was a change.
25:49And, and, you know, we go in the green room, meets his son and, and, and just,
25:54you think, yes.
25:57Total BS, right?
25:58Yep.
25:59What's happened since the show, babe?
26:00Um, well, since the show, he's not really, um, took any interest since Kyron.
26:04He's not really, like, been there, you know, after he promised him
26:07that he was going to be there to see him.
26:08Visited him?
26:09Um, basically, he says, I live too far away for him to come see his son.
26:12How far does he live away?
26:14About, only about 45 minutes on a bus.
26:17You say, to be honest with you, this guy's a waste of space and you're annoyed.
26:21You're annoyed because, not for yourself, but for your son.
26:24Yeah.
26:25Have you tried?
26:26Oh, guess what?
26:28Oh, this is going to be great.
26:29He's running.
26:30Where, where's he running?
26:32Oi, Connor, where are you going?
26:34Do you know, I hate people at him.
26:35Come with me.
26:36It does my head in.
26:37My absolute head in.
26:38Come with me.
26:38Where's he going?
26:39What right does he have to do to walk out of here?
26:41You better be with me because I'm agitated.
26:43That's a nice act.
26:43Which way are we going?
26:45Where are you going?
26:47Where are you going?
26:47I don't fall for your BS anymore.
26:49What, what are you doing?
26:51Come on.
26:52What are you doing?
26:53Thought you were going to be the good dad.
26:56Not going to say a word.
26:57What a kid.
26:57Come here, darling.
26:58Come here.
26:58You take it.
26:59Is that it, Connor?
27:00You're just going to face the wall, are you?
27:02I don't know what to say, man.
27:04Obviously, I'm useless.
27:05I know that.
27:05Get lost.
27:06They don't buy your BS.
27:07You're full of it.
27:07You can't even put your hat on the right way.
27:09You were going to be the dad.
27:10You were going to do everything.
27:11You promised who was going to be there last time.
27:13Why not?
27:14I don't know.
27:15What do you mean you don't know?
27:17Well, obviously, I should be.
27:18Obviously, it deserves better.
27:19I know who it is.
27:19What, what?
27:21Nobody believes what you say.
27:51Be a man.
27:53And I quote, I want to do it.
27:55How come you want to go from being a dad to zilch?
27:58Where did you get all your new clothes from?
27:59Are you giving any money to the kid?
28:01Nothing.
28:02Why?
28:04Come on.
28:06Can't speak.
28:08You think it's funny, don't you?
28:10No, I think you're funny, bruv.
28:12I am not your bruv.
28:14The way you speak is childlike and ridiculous.
28:17So, why don't you grow up and face up to the fact that you've got a son?
28:21Well done, you.
28:22Well done, you.
28:24That's your son.
28:25We did this before.
28:28You're not interested, are you?
28:29What?
28:30Yeah.
28:30No, you're not.
28:30You're not even saying nothing.
28:31You're just sitting there.
28:32I'm sort of an audience, but I wasn't expecting this.
28:34You know what I mean?
28:35Where are you getting all your money from?
28:36What can I say?
28:36Are you on drugs?
28:37Are you mad?
28:38Have a drug test, then.
28:40You look like you are.
28:41Give me a drug test, then.
28:42Have a drug test, then.
28:43Are you woken up now, have you?
28:44Drug test, come on, then.
28:45Why would I waste my money on you?
28:47Don't have anything to do.
28:48I beg your pardon?
28:48Don't, then.
28:49You don't care about this, you can't sit.
28:50I said, then, when you're just...
28:51Well, then, why don't you do something about it?
28:53Look, yeah, look.
28:54Wait, wait, wait, wait.
28:56Why don't you do something?
28:57It's all on that with you, isn't it?
28:59No, you might, but look, like, no offence to everyone here, but...
29:01Why are you talking like that?
29:02What are you, some sort of gangster?
29:03No, I'm not.
29:04You're a little boy in an ill-fitting hat who's got a kid and he needs to grow up and
29:09be a father.
29:11Watch this clip, right?
29:12Watch this.
29:13Oh, look.
29:15Watch this.
29:16This is you last time saying that you were going to do something.
29:19Watch this.
29:19You should make some of your life.
29:20Yeah.
29:20That's your son.
29:22I don't think I've ever seen anybody with your reaction, and I've been doing this a long time.
29:26That was all bravado out there.
29:28That's your reality.
29:29You're not looking at it, are you?
29:30I'm sure.
29:31She can offer...
29:32Stop, stop, pause it.
29:34It's your son.
29:35I know.
29:36Where have you been?
29:37What?
29:38Where have you been?
29:39Nowhere, obviously.
29:40Why do you just say obviously like that?
29:42It's obviously though.
29:42I won't be here for a great dad.
29:44Well, then why are you so...
29:45What do you just stand up to?
29:47She has to do it.
29:47Why can't you do it?
29:49I'm like, I'm immature, isn't it?
29:50Obviously, I'm not obviously, but I'm immature.
29:55That's your son.
29:56I know it is, pal.
29:58Why do you talk so stupid?
30:00What?
30:01I'm not...
30:02How old are you, about 11?
30:03I wasn't ready for this.
30:04The audience will be able to stare in and like...
30:06Obviously, Connor, it's a show.
30:07Well, because there's probably people in the audience or at home who can't have kids
30:10and are wondering why a silly little boy is allowed to get away with it.
30:13That's why...
30:14The only thing he does is crap.
30:17Well, you're right, though, man.
30:18I'm not going to cry.
30:19Stop saying I'm right and do something about it.
30:22Oh, okay.
30:24No, no, wait, wait.
30:25Don't laugh.
30:25I need help.
30:26I don't need help, Connor.
30:27You need to just grow up.
30:28I don't need help.
30:29It's like, oh, my...
30:30Where'd you get your money from?
30:31I'm not ready for this.
30:31I'm not ready for this.
30:32I'm not ready for this.
30:32How can you not pay me any money for your son?
30:33Where are you getting your beer from?
30:35Why is it for me?
30:36You had a real chance.
30:38You had a real opening.
30:39You had...
30:40You say to my team stuff, please, guys, you go,
30:44Karen deserves better than me.
30:45I'm completely useless.
30:47I am, yeah.
30:47That's just a cop-out.
30:49No, I ain't, man.
30:51Yes, it is, man.
30:53All right, I'm a what's-it dad, the worst probably any.
30:56I can change that.
30:57Sorry.
30:57Sorry I let you down on not being there.
30:59Sorry that I ain't had time for you.
31:00Sorry that I'm your dad.
31:01You didn't ask for this, but I will try and make this better.
31:03You need me as much as I need you.
31:06Do you need your son?
31:07Yeah, yeah.
31:08What is wrong with you?
31:09You are on drugs, aren't you?
31:10You're on drugs.
31:10No, I'm not on drugs, man.
31:11No.
31:12Your eyes are really...
31:13Yeah, that's because they put foundation on one of my eyes, man.
31:15A bit red, innit?
31:16No, I ain't been smoking weed or nothing.
31:18I swear down, they're getting a brush and they'll put it in your eyes, man.
31:20My eyes are proper blaring.
31:22Take your hat off.
31:23No, you're mad.
31:24I've got it in a bun, mate.
31:25I've got my hair tied up and everything.
31:26I ain't taking this off.
31:27You're more interested in how you look than your kid, aren't you?
31:29Pathetic.
31:29No, it ain't about that, man.
31:30Yes, it is.
31:31And stop calling me mad.
31:32I'm taking my hat off, though.
31:33That's what I'm saying.
31:34Oh, you're interested in your hat.
31:35No, obviously not.
31:36It's ridiculous.
31:37If you can get me some...
31:37Do you know what?
31:38I have spent 10 years trying desperately to say to blokes, be involved, have a part,
31:44and then you come along.
31:46Obviously, she's a good mom.
31:47You've been there, innit?
31:47I've not dissed you at all.
31:48What's that got to do with the price of fish?
31:50You haven't been anywhere.
31:52I know that.
31:52I'm just saying, innit?
31:53Why not?
31:54What?
31:54Why not?
31:55If I'm not good enough.
31:56I don't know how to be a dad.
31:57Right.
31:58I don't get taught that, do I?
31:59I just get thrown into it.
32:00But you're taught to make one, are you?
32:02No, porno does that for me, brother.
32:03Really?
32:03Okay, the big man.
32:04Let me tell you something about...
32:05I'm not meant to be a dad, tell me.
32:06Come on.
32:07There's no rules on it.
32:08It's not something you can be taught.
32:10It's something you get your hands dirty with.
32:12You make mistakes, and it happens.
32:14That's the point.
32:18Do you want to know something, right?
32:20Do you want to know something, right?
32:22I have done this for 25 years, being a father.
32:26Look at me.
32:27You think even to this day, I don't get terrified, concerned, worried.
32:34He's got three kids.
32:35He'd be exactly the same.
32:37Last week, look at me.
32:38Look at me.
32:41I take my three kids on holiday on my own, right?
32:43Yeah.
32:44I mean, useless.
32:44How am I supposed to...
32:46But you know what?
32:47Oi.
32:47What?
32:48You do it.
32:49Because they're yours.
32:50Because you created half of them, because that's the way of the world.
32:55If you run away, forget me, forget Leah, forget everybody.
33:00But Kyron, he will vote with his feet, mate.
33:03And this...
33:04You see, he doesn't want presents.
33:06Wait till they're six.
33:08That's all they want.
33:08But he...
33:10He just wants his dad.
33:12And his dad's like...
33:14His dad's like, um, I don't know what to do.
33:17What are you scared of, changing his nappy?
33:18What? No, I can't do that, though.
33:20You can't.
33:21Get your hands away from your face.
33:22It's all right.
33:22Listen, we've all been there, done it, and worn the T-shirt, right?
33:26Yeah.
33:27But in...
33:28What?
33:28You're 20 years of age, mate.
33:30People are fighting in wars four years younger than you.
33:33This kid will end up on a show like this in 16 years, saying,
33:38my dad was a waste of space, and you hide behind, I know I am.
33:42Yeah, the thing is, Connor, nobody can tell you how to do it.
33:45You'll find out by making mistakes.
33:48Tell him.
33:49She ever had to do it.
33:50Yeah, you don't need to go, Connor.
33:50You need to be there for your son.
33:52I'm sick of making an effort.
33:54You're just scared, aren't you?
33:56Yeah.
33:57You are scared, aren't you?
33:59Yeah, or me?
34:00You.
34:01Oh, yeah.
34:01She's not scared, because even if she is scared, she just has to get on with it.
34:06Do a drugs test right now.
34:08Colin, let's go.
34:10Can you do it in the toilet?
34:11Yeah, Colin.
34:11Well, I'm not going with you.
34:12Oh.
34:13Right, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
34:14Come here, come here, come here.
34:15I'm going to go to an ad break.
34:15You go with Graham and do that.
34:16I'm right back.
34:17Don't go anywhere.
34:17Go and do a drugs test right now.
34:19You tell my team, she asks you for money all the time.
34:22Yeah.
34:22How much do you give her?
34:24Ten or eight, twenty-day.
34:25Why would you give money to a girl that might not be your daughter?
34:28Oh, then again, what would I give her to a girl that might not be your daughter?
34:31The DNA test is off to show the bill.
34:46Welcome back.
34:46So, before the break, can't I say go off and do a drugs test?
34:49You told me if he fails this drug test, he ain't seeing the kid.
34:52Yep.
34:53I'm not going to sit here and beg him to be involved.
34:55Neither should you, but you need him to be safe in terms of...
34:59Is he coming back?
35:01Yeah.
35:01Is he heading back?
35:01He's done the test.
35:02He's coming back.
35:02So, you say if he fails the test, he ain't going to see the kid.
35:05If he's passed the test, you're just looking for a bit of oomph about...
35:08I don't know whether it is fear.
35:09Maybe the audience agree with me or not.
35:10I don't know.
35:11I just think he's terrified of doing it.
35:13Yeah.
35:13But that's the...
35:14Oi, hurry up.
35:15Come here, come here, come here.
35:16I'm not...
35:16All this rush...
35:17Where is he?
35:18Yeah, I bet he is coming.
35:19Tell him I'm in a hurry.
35:20I don't want to go on stage.
35:21What do you mean you don't want to go on stage?
35:23Just get out here.
35:24I'm not running around after you anymore.
35:26For God's sake, get out here now.
35:28Where is he?
35:29Get out here.
35:33Graham, come and sit with me.
35:37Sit with you.
35:37Did he pass the test?
35:39Yes, he did.
35:39Pass the test!
35:41CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
35:45I told you it's blushing.
35:46What?
35:46I told you it's blushing my eye.
35:48I'm not bothered.
35:49What I don't understand is why you don't want to grasp this opportunity.
35:54I'm being serious.
35:55So, you're scared.
35:56Scared of what?
35:57Scared of messing up.
35:58Every parent messes up.
36:00Scared of him thinking that you're nothing?
36:02Isn't that worse?
36:04Yeah.
36:04Try, fail, but at least you've tried.
36:08Talk to him, Leah, because I'm just banging my head against a brick wall.
36:10Please talk to him.
36:11Yeah, you need to just stop partying, stop drinking all the time, put your son first.
36:15It's all about priorities, Connor.
36:17It's just a pattern I've recruited.
36:21I wanted Graeme because I wanted to ask him what I did.
36:24Can I get Graeme, please?
36:25He's disappeared again now.
36:27I can't make you do this.
36:30Do you want me?
36:31Yes, Graeme, we do want you to do this.
36:32Give him a round of applause for that.
36:35APPLAUSE
36:35OK.
36:36How, on a serious note, how do you make a kid, is he just BS-ing me or is he
36:41terrified of being a father?
36:42How do you get him to be, like, motivated because I'm banging my head against a brick wall here?
36:47Do you like that title, you know, being a dad?
36:49Do you like that?
36:51I don't know.
36:52I've never thought about it.
36:53You don't know?
36:54How does it make you feel when people refer to you as...
36:57I ain't really a dad though, innit?
36:57Hmm?
36:58I ain't really a dad.
36:59I'm more like, anyone could be a father, innit?
37:00But it takes a month to be a dad, innit?
37:02And I'm sure...
37:02OK, well, what about the title father?
37:04Is that OK with you?
37:05Yeah.
37:06You like being a father?
37:08Yeah.
37:09OK, well, you know what, I think what you need to take on board is that when you're
37:16given that title, father or dad, it's a huge privilege in life.
37:21And when you take that on, there's a more important word and that's about being a parent.
37:27OK?
37:28And that's what people are trying to encourage you to do because you have two people here
37:35who created a life and you both need to parent that child because that child needs parents.
37:43It doesn't need titles, it needs parents.
37:46It needs looking after.
37:49And this for you, yeah, I absolutely get it.
37:53This is a huge growing up period for you.
37:55You know, you referred yourself to being immature, OK?
37:59You have to develop maturity.
38:01Listen, we don't have those skills sometimes to be a parent, but there is absolutely no reason,
38:08if you have the desire, obviously, that you could be a good parent to this child.
38:14It is, I absolutely agree.
38:17Not only will she give you a chance, but here's the thing,
38:19when you dip your toe in the water, of course you'll make mistakes, of course it's scary,
38:23but you'll get through it because people have for however many donkey's years.
38:28Just, I'm not doing this again and I know you think I'm getting agitated, but there's a reason.
38:33There are many people, as I've said already, that would give anything to be a parent.
38:36If you miss this opportunity, he will vote with his feet and you will live to regret it, won't you,
38:44Graham?
38:44Yeah. What do you want for your child? This is your child. What do you want for your child?
38:50An absent dad?
38:52No, obviously not.
38:52You don't? Then all it's about is being a good parent.
38:56There he is.
38:57This is your child.
38:58Do you know what he wants? He doesn't want Christmas or birthday presents or cards.
39:01He really doesn't.
39:02Do you know what he wants?
39:02He wants love.
39:03He just wants a hug.
39:04Absolutely.
39:04He just wants consistency.
39:06Last time I'm saying it, Conor, because she has every right in a minute to go, do you know what,
39:11I can't do this anymore.
39:12But it's almost like you want her to do that.
39:15But we are going to, I am going to bully you with Graham's help because you can be a dad.
39:19You've just got to get it right and grow up, me old son.
39:21You're old enough to create a life.
39:23You're going to have to be old enough to make sure you held that life.
39:26It costs absolutely nothing to love your child.
39:28Nothing.
39:29Okay?
39:30I'm going to send you off with Graham.
39:31Make sure it makes sense.
39:32Give him a round of applause.
39:38We'll let you know, hopefully you'll step up to the mile.
39:40Right, my next guest today, Bid, is here for DNA Results to find out if a woman he bumped into
39:45in a pub six weeks ago is actually his daughter.
39:48Now, he claims he had a fling with 27-year-old Sheena's mum, and he is convinced that he's Sheena's
39:54father.
39:54I'm going to get him on.
39:55Um, these sorts of stories are very difficult for people.
39:57You know, imagine 27 years and then thinking that somebody is your daughter.
40:01Big day for both of them.
40:02Very nervous.
40:02Bill's on the show.
40:03Give him a round of applause.
40:12How are you, my friend?
40:13Too much, really, too much.
40:14Yeah, listen, um, and I mean this with respect, but there's something to me that doesn't make sense.
40:20I'm just being totally straight.
40:23Yeah, you're going to go.
40:24Sheena's 25, Sheena's 27.
40:27Yeah.
40:28Um, you admit you met her mum on a stag do, he had a fling, but it was nothing more.
40:32It wasn't planned.
40:32I went where it was my cousin's stag do, so I went up to Bradford.
40:38Did you know she was pregnant?
40:39No, I got told after.
40:40Did you believe the child was yours?
40:43The way the family kept going on about it, yeah.
40:44Why did you do nothing for 27 years then?
40:46Hang on, no, no, no.
40:47First of all, you got that wrong.
40:48I didn't do that for 20 years.
40:50You've got to speak up.
41:04Right, go on.
41:04Because I'm not against you.
41:05All right.
41:06For 13 years, you didn't see this kid.
41:09I've seen her, like, at weekends.
41:11Sheena?
41:11Yeah, every third weekend, which was first born.
41:14She doesn't remember any of that.
41:15She says she's never...
41:16She was first born, right?
41:18I used to go up every third weekend.
41:19Okay, but how long was it before...
41:23Would she be aware, or did those trips stop, and you would...
41:25I'm not against you, brother.
41:26No, no, they did stop.
41:27They did stop because of work.
41:27But you kept sending money, didn't you?
41:29Yeah.
41:29Yeah.
41:29Um, her mum disappeared, but it broke my heart.
41:32I tried everything to find her.
41:34May this year, Sheena finds you.
41:36How does that happen?
41:37I was in Bradford at the time, and...
41:39Nice.
41:41A friend of mine bumped us into us, and it kind of like...
41:45I didn't know where to look.
41:46The most extraordinary thing, and I want you to understand that this is...
41:51I've always tried to do it in the same way.
41:53You said it was amazing.
41:55I cried as I finally had my little girl back.
41:57She came to live with me six weeks ago, but it's not really that.
42:00She lives in a flat above you, doesn't she?
42:01No, she'd come down to me.
42:02What I mean is...
42:03I'm not going to go into the reason why she comes.
42:05She phoned me one night, and she went like that.
42:07Dad, Dad, I'm in a bit of trouble.
42:10I need to come to you.
42:11I said, what's the matter?
42:12She wouldn't tell me everything that was gone on.
42:14So I brought her to me.
42:16I know you're not going to like this, but I'm doing it, and you're going to speak up,
42:19and you're not going to hide.
42:19The reason I am on your side, which you will learn about as this story unfolds,
42:23is that this girl, who you apparently remember seeing as a kid, very young,
42:30but she has no memories.
42:32You paid four till she was 13.
42:34Yeah.
42:34She finds you.
42:35Six weeks ago, you sought her out a flat.
42:38She lives above you, and then you turn...
42:40Hang on, hang on.
42:40I didn't sort her out a flat.
42:41You tell my team, she asks you for money all the time.
42:43Yeah.
42:44How much do you give her?
42:46Ten or eight, 20 there.
42:47If I don't give her things, she gets mad at me.
42:49Yeah, she is.
42:50She's got a temper in it, like, do you know what I mean?
42:53She has got a temper, but I think we all...
42:56Why would you give money to a girl that might not be your daughter?
42:59Well, then again, why would I give money to a girl that might be my daughter?
43:02So it's...
43:03If she is...
43:04Honest, man.
43:04Sheena's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
43:14Sheena, welcome to the show.
43:17Just, you don't remember Bill growing up at all, do you?
43:21No.
43:22He says that for many years he paid and supported you via your mother.
43:27Were you told that?
43:28I didn't get told any of that.
43:31Why was it, then, that you searched for a man...
43:34You were told he was your father?
43:36Because it was ours that told me when I was about 12, 13 that he was my biological father.
43:43So you were looking for him.
43:44That must have been amazing when, six weeks ago, you met him.
43:47Yep.
43:48You moved in pretty quickly.
43:49Why did you move in so quickly?
43:50I didn't...
43:51It wasn't exactly a move in so quickly.
43:53It was, basically, I'd gone over to meet him.
43:57And, obviously, I stayed at Billy's for, like, a day, a day and a half.
44:02And then got with my fella that I'm with at the moment.
44:05And you are desperate for Bill to be confirmed as your dad?
44:08I'm 50-50.
44:10Why do you keep taking money off him, then?
44:11Because if he is my dad, then why shouldn't he pay?
44:15Understandable.
44:16Um, I don't want anybody in the audience to drop their mouths, but they will.
44:20This is a statement from your mother.
44:23I've never even met the man, Billy, that Sheena claims is her dad.
44:29Sheena has always known who her father is.
44:31I am 100% sure that the DNA test will show that Billy cannot possibly be Sheena's biological father.
44:38Yeah, I mean, yeah.
44:41What is this all about?
44:42You told me that you were supporting this girl through that woman.
44:44Yeah, I was wrong about that.
44:45She said you've never, ever, ever met her.
44:46And why are you taking money off a bloke who might not be your father?
44:51Because I got told that he was my biological father.
44:54Well, you wanted to be your daughter, but you understand my confusion.
44:56I've got a bloke who says, I supported this kid.
44:58The kid went.
44:59I didn't see the kid.
45:0027 years later, dah, dah, dah, dah.
45:02Then she moves in.
45:03She's asking me for money.
45:04There's a few doubts, but I'm desperately happy for her to be my daughter.
45:07You're saying the same.
45:07The mother says I've never even met, Billy.
45:09Give me the results.
45:10Thank you very much indeed.
45:12What would it mean if she was?
45:14Believe me, better than winning the lottery.
45:16For you as well?
45:18Like I said, I'm a 50-50.
45:20Did your mother tell you that Bill was your dad?
45:21No, it was.
45:23The DNA test results show that Bill is not your biological father.
45:29You're going to give the money back?
45:31Yeah, I'll pay him it back.
45:32Bill, Bill, I don't get, I don't get, come with me.
45:35I do not understand this story.
45:37There's something that doesn't add up here.
45:38Bill, Bill, I know it's difficult, but can you cut, Bill, where are you?
45:41Can you bring her, can you bring her as well, please?
45:44Bill, just sit there.
45:45Bill, do you understand?
45:46It's like a weekend with me and my cousin and our point of the stake do like, do you know
45:50what I mean?
45:50It's not enough.
45:51But what I'm trying to say very calmly is, you've told me.
45:57I'm going to ask you a question without you getting offended.
46:00Is this a con job, is it?
46:01Don't say a word.
46:02No, it's not a con job, no.
46:02I'm getting told one story and then I'm getting told a different story.
46:05But I, your mother said she's never met him.
46:07Now maybe, in respect to him 28 years ago, she forgot a one night stand.
46:12But I've got a problem with this story.
46:13Because very quickly you meet him, very quickly you move in, very quickly you take money off him.
46:18I'm not trying to be rude.
46:19Your mother said she doesn't even remember and you are, and he's not your biological father.
46:23I'm getting told two different stories, Jeremy.
46:24I'm getting told one minute, he is my biological father.
46:26Your mother said on the statement, you know who your father is.
46:28You didn't sort of think this was a way to make a few quid, did you?
46:31But that's how I feel about the story.
46:33I actually feel really sorry for this guy.
46:35Why would I need to take his money when I get my own money?
46:37But look what this has done to this bloke.
46:39No, I didn't ask him to give me the money, Jeremy.
46:41Right, I'm going to stop you there right in front of her.
46:43How many times did she ask for money off me?
46:46I've not asked you to give me the money.
46:48No, you're sorry.
46:49You were the one that told her and I said, look, if you're short, I'll lend you the money and
46:52then pay you back.
46:53I really, listen, I don't want you to, I, do you feel like, I'm sorry, you understand what I mean
46:57now.
46:57I'd like to respectfully suggest that you give him the money back as soon as you can.
47:01I told him I'd give him the money back.
47:02I've always paid him the money back from what he's given me.
47:07I'm sorry, that's, that's the truth.
47:09I'm going to get Graham in.
47:09I want to do this correctly because I'm sorry for the result because you can tell what it meant to
47:13him.
47:14We're going to go ask Graham to spend some time with both of you.
47:16Bill, I'm sorry you didn't get the answers that you want, but I appreciate you coming on.
47:20Well, see yourself.
47:20I mean, you understand what I've got.
47:22I've got a bloke saying she's calling me dad and a mother who says, well, take a seat there.
47:27We'll get, we'll get Graham Graham as well and we'll get you to, we'll get Graham to sort this out.
47:31Give him a round of applause, guys.
47:32Sorry about that.
47:34I just want to say one thing.
47:36We'll do what we always do with aftercare.
47:38We'll make sure that those people get the very best of help.
47:41I am for this morning out of time.
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47:44The details are on screen to my guests, to the audience and to you for watching home.
47:48I'll see you soon.
47:48Take care.
47:49Bye bye.
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