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00:00One small time, it's the star of the flame
00:07Yeah
00:11Please welcome this for Jeremy Kyle
00:13I want Jeremy Kyle's on there, man
00:19Don't ever mind, Kyle
00:20You having a bad day, love?
00:22Nothing in an afternoon on Jeremy Kyle wouldn't sort it
00:24In fact, you're going to have to face the charges
00:25on Ant and Dec's Saturday Night Take, will you, Jeremy?
00:28Yeah!
00:28Yeah!
00:32I'm not the one who split up a gay couple
00:34so she could turn one straight
00:35So Jeremy Kyle
00:36They don't give a stuff about your freaky Jeremy Kyle sex thing
00:40I don't know whether you're saying that Nick Clegg is a natural
00:42for the Jeremy Kyle show
01:06On today's show
01:07You call him violent, you call him controlling, you call him a hood rat
01:11What do you mean by that?
01:12It's just the way he comes across, he just, he's a nip player
01:15Yeah, he's taking life to her
01:19He's trying to strangle her
01:20Oh, he's leaving, isn't he?
01:22Quick, quick, quick, come on
01:23Come here
01:24Why is she still with me?
01:25If she's scared of me, why is she still with me?
01:28I've got this girl telling me she's had sex with him in my bed
01:32Why are you with him?
01:34I'm not, do you know what?
01:35Take that back as well if I can get it off, you can take that
01:43Oi, open the door, it's not your building
01:47You're not, Nick, you don't know
01:49I haven't told you anything, it's your missus
01:51Listen, you don't know
01:52Really?
01:53You don't know
01:53What do you know?
01:54What do you know?
01:57No, and then she said, yeah, we've had sex before
01:59I was like, oh, well, I can't remember
02:01It's not very memorable if we did, it ain't remember
02:02Exactly, it's when I said, well, we'll
02:04Let's meet up and do it again
02:05Yeah, let's approach around too
02:06And I actually love you, I want to be with you
02:08And you're sitting there saying all that about me
02:09How dare you?
02:11You're the one, no one else
02:13He says that you made up a miscarriage
02:15No
02:15She was a liar
02:16How much more out of your mouth am I going to put up with Darren, really?
02:32Good morning, guys
02:38Thank you, my friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show
02:41Our first guest today, Vivian, is here to confront daughter Georgia's boyfriend, Joe
02:45She claims this guy is nothing but a low-life hood rat
02:52Who's controlling ways are making her daughter ill
02:55Vivian says she's sick of hearing rumours about his bad behaviour towards her daughter
02:58And claims Joe's not good enough for her
03:00After she discovered, check this
03:02A woman broke into her daughter's home this week
03:05Went up to her daughter and went, I'm your boyfriend's mistress
03:09Today Vivian wants Georgia to realise she can do better
03:12A lot better
03:13It's a massive day for them all
03:14But first on the Jeremy Kyle show
03:16It's Vivian, guys
03:17Give her a round of applause
03:26You look, um, prepared
03:28Um, yeah, sort of
03:30Nervous?
03:30Yeah
03:31Don't worry about them, they should be at work
03:32Um, it's an extraordinary headline anyway
03:34About the woman that broke into your daughter's home
03:36But I want to talk more about Joe, 24
03:39Your daughter, Georgia, 19
03:40You call him violent, you call him controlling
03:43Sit back and relax, you call him a hood rat
03:45What do you mean by that?
03:47Um, well, basically, that's what he is
03:49If you see him yourself, you'll know
03:51Did you never like him?
03:52How long have they been together?
03:53I gave him the benefit of the doubt at first
03:55When my daughter introduced me to him
03:58And welcomed into my home, but
04:00First impressions?
04:01Um, I didn't like him
04:02Why?
04:03It's just the way he looked and
04:05Um, the way he was acting
04:07Have you seen your young daughter
04:10Who was 17 when she met this guy
04:11And is now 19, nearly 20
04:12Have you seen changes in her?
04:14Yeah, definitely
04:14What?
04:15She's lost a lot of weight
04:16I've taken her to the hospital recently
04:18Because, sorry
04:20You're okay
04:23That's why you're here, isn't it?
04:24Because you're concerned about your daughter
04:26What has this bloke done to her?
04:28It's basically destroyed her
04:30Is he violent to her?
04:31Yeah
04:33Yeah, he's taken life to her
04:36He's tried to strangle her
04:37Just recently
04:38And
04:39Why doesn't she run for a laugh?
04:42Because she still loves him, I think
04:43She keeps going back to him
04:44Have you seen him be violent to your daughter?
04:47I haven't, no
04:48I haven't seen
04:49What has she told you?
04:50It's what she's been telling me
04:51And
04:52I'll get to you in a minute
04:53Let her speak
04:54Lose the picture
04:54Stay my head in
04:55Go on
04:55Basically she's had enough
04:57And we've all had enough
04:58Because
04:58See, the problem with these stories is
05:00And take this in the right way
05:02Many times I've done this story
05:04And what happens is
05:05He comes out and says
05:06You've never approved of me
05:08You don't like me
05:09You've made a judgment
05:10And the daughter comes out and goes
05:11But I love him
05:12And you
05:13You're saying that she's said quite a lot to you
05:16She's given you facts
05:18That have made you base your opinion on him
05:20She's come
05:21I think he's going off, is he?
05:23Oh, he's leaving, is he?
05:24Oh, well, there you go
05:26Apparently
05:27Apparently
05:27He doesn't like what he's heard
05:29So he's leaving
05:31Brilliant
05:31I don't need to do that anyway
05:33Why did you know he'd do that?
05:34It's just him
05:35How strong are you?
05:36How sure are you that you know what you want to say?
05:39Very sure
05:40Come with me then
05:40I'm not running around
05:41Come with me
05:41Which way am I going?
05:43Where is he?
05:44Come here
05:45Where's he gone?
05:47Where have you gone?
05:49Ah?
05:50Where have I gone?
05:51Yeah
05:51What are you doing?
05:52Basically I'm walking out
05:52Because I thought it was going to be
05:53Between me and my partner
05:54No, it's about
05:55Between me and my partner and her mum
05:56Do you know what I'm saying like?
05:57Well, it's the mother
05:57Because she doesn't like the fact
05:58That you attack her daughter
05:59When have I ever been filing to your daughter?
06:01Come on, tell them
06:02You've cheated on her so many times
06:03When have I cheated on her?
06:04Just recently
06:05Just recently
06:06So where's the proof then?
06:07Do you know what I'm saying?
06:08There's no point
06:10There's no point
06:11There's no point
06:12Of throwing accusations out here
06:13When you
06:14Like where's the proof?
06:15What have I cheated on her?
06:16Where's the proof?
06:16So where has she got this from?
06:17She's got this from her daughter
06:18Because she don't like her
06:19It's because she don't like her
06:20You'll have to come this way
06:21Because of that noise
06:21Come on
06:22Just come with me a minute
06:23Because of that noise
06:23Come here
06:24She doesn't like her
06:25Come here, quickly
06:26Come on, you've got a lot to say
06:27She don't like me and Georgia
06:28Being together
06:29Why?
06:29She's always trying to get involved
06:30Right, stop just there
06:31She says that you're an aggressive man
06:33Have you ever hit her daughter?
06:35No
06:35Not at all?
06:35No, I haven't
06:37No, I haven't
06:38I might have pushed her
06:39Yeah, I might have
06:39I might have pushed her
06:40I don't want to do it to you
06:41Do you know what I'm saying?
06:42Have you ever seen him be violent?
06:43No, have you ever seen him be violent?
06:44No
06:45Have you ever seen him be violent?
06:45No, but the police got called
06:46And she dropped it
06:47Because she was scared
06:48Okay, fair enough
06:49Yeah, that's what you're saying
06:50Yeah, do you know what I'm saying?
06:51You're saying that she dropped it
06:52Because she was scared
06:52I was there when Georgia
06:53Was talking to the police
06:53Like Jeremy just said
06:54Have you ever been there
06:55When there's ever been any violence?
06:57No
06:57Exactly
06:57So how can you come out on a stage
06:59And say that I'm violent?
07:00I believe my daughter
07:00At the end of the day
07:01Tell him what your daughter
07:02Has said to you
07:03Because the point is
07:04I said it out there
07:05It's always like that
07:06But you've cheated on her
07:07So many times
07:07How have I cheated on her?
07:08You're telling me
07:09You haven't cheated on her
07:09No, I haven't
07:10But she says her daughter
07:11Is scared of you
07:13She's really scared of me
07:14That's why she
07:14If I had a problem with you
07:15If she was really scared of me
07:17I wouldn't have
07:17Welcomeed you into my house
07:18If she was so scared of me
07:20Yeah
07:20If she was so scared of me
07:21Why was she coming to meet me
07:22Yesterday in town and whatnot
07:23Why is she still with me?
07:24I don't know
07:25If she's scared of me
07:25Why is she still with me?
07:27Because she's
07:27I don't know
07:27Because she still loves you
07:31Why would she come and meet me?
07:32So where do you think
07:33Just out of interest
07:34Where do you think
07:34All of this has come from?
07:35What do you think
07:36The mother's just made it up?
07:37No, I think that the mother's
07:38Why would I make it up?
07:39I wouldn't be here
07:39Getting involved in our relationship
07:41Too much and backing up
07:42Do you know what I'm saying?
07:43So you're threatening
07:45You're threatening my partner
07:46You're saying
07:47If you do not do this
07:48And do that
07:48Yeah, Georgia
07:49You're threatening Georgia
07:49Saying that
07:50If you do not do this
07:51Have you been in prison?
07:52Do not
07:52Whether that's the doubt or not
07:54Have you
07:54What do you mean whether that's the doubt?
07:55Have you been in prison?
07:56Yes
07:56For what?
07:57Huh?
07:58For what?
07:58For like criminal damage
07:59Stuff like that
08:00Brilliant
08:00So you've got a temper
08:01No
08:02Have you been in prison for violence?
08:03I'm not saying that
08:04Have you been in prison for violence?
08:05Why'd you keep walking?
08:06Have you been in prison for violence?
08:08No
08:08Have you ever hit her daughter?
08:10No
08:10So basically all we've got here
08:11Is you'd have an absolutely
08:12Perfect relationship
08:14Your life would be amazing
08:15If she didn't interfere
08:16So what we're going to prove
08:18Is with you
08:18The two of us
08:19We're going to go to a break
08:20We're going to go on that stage
08:21And your girlfriend's going to come out
08:22And she's going to go
08:23You know my boyfriend Joe
08:24He's not violent
08:25He's not aggressive
08:25He's the perfect boyfriend
08:27He doesn't cheat
08:27My mother's a fan
08:28She's made the whole thing up
08:29Why don't you mummy
08:30Get out of our lives
08:31Is that what she's going to say?
08:32I'm not sure
08:32Why don't you man up
08:33And we'll see if that's the truth
08:34Next
08:35Don't go anywhere
08:35We're on stage
08:36Come on
08:38You don't know
08:39You don't know
08:39I haven't told you anything
08:40It's your missus
08:42Really?
08:43You don't know
08:43What do you know?
08:44What do you know?
08:45Oh yeah
08:46What?
09:04I'm going to look at this case
09:06With great care and consideration
09:08Do you understand?
09:10Three opportunities to interrupt
09:12Don't give you free chances
09:13This is not about the money
09:16It's about what the money represents
09:20Friendship fade
09:21But stupid is forever
09:23I don't believe you
09:24Not a second
09:25Not even a millisecond
09:26Case is dismissed
09:34I love this job
09:35The judge is back
09:44Thank you for me and my family
09:46Do not thank you very much indeed
09:47Welcome back
09:47I've come here for my daughter
09:48I know you've come here
09:49To talk about your girlfriend
09:50But your girlfriend
09:51Has included her mother
09:53I haven't said you about dad
09:56I haven't said you about dad
09:57She hasn't mentioned anything about that
09:58But her daughter has issues
10:00And her daughter has obviously told her things
10:01Which colours her view
10:03Now if you are what you say you are
10:05And you're not what she thinks you are
10:06You will get out there with her
10:08You will sit there
10:09You will bite the bullet
10:10And you'll listen to your bird
10:11Because you love your bird
10:12Right
10:12All of you out here
10:13Give them a round of applause
10:14They're on the Jeremy Kyle show
10:15Get out there
10:16Go
10:16You as well
10:17Quick one
10:22Yeah
10:27Cool
10:27You say that this is actually unfair
10:30Right
10:30You say that the mother has made this up
10:32I'll tell you what I'm going to do
10:33And you two can not scowl at each other
10:35Where's Georgia
10:36I want to talk to Georgia on her own
10:37Right
10:37She's with Grey
10:38Listen to me
10:38Yeah cool
10:39What we've got is
10:40We've got the mother who says she says one thing
10:42And we've got you
10:43Who says it's the mother
10:44I want the truth
10:45The only person hopefully who will tell me the truth
10:47Is Georgia who's stuck in the middle
10:48It'd be odds on
10:49The girl will go
10:50Yeah I love him
10:51It's my mum
10:51She's interfering
10:52Because they do that
10:53Is that control or fear?
10:55I don't know
10:55Let's see what she says
10:56Georgia
10:56How are you?
10:58Okay
10:58Sure?
10:59Yeah
10:59Take a seat
11:00Oh sorry
11:01Don't worry
11:02Now
11:02It's a classic Jeremy Kyle story
11:04The mother's looking out for a young daughter
11:06She's changed
11:07She's lost weight
11:08Her boyfriend's abusive
11:09He does this
11:09He does that
11:10He's a cheat
11:10I want him out
11:11I want her to come home with me
11:12The boyfriend comes out and goes
11:13You've never liked me
11:15You've always abused me
11:16You don't approve of me
11:17And then the girlfriend says
11:19Oh he's lovely really
11:21What's the truth Georgia
11:22Why are we here?
11:23Truth is
11:24I can't fault him for being a bad dad
11:26Because he is a good dad
11:29But he does threaten me
11:31Oh he threatens you
11:32And that's alright is it?
11:33What does he do?
11:33No it's not right
11:35He's got
11:36We had an argument one time
11:38And he said to me
11:40I said to him
11:41Well we're over them
11:43Because he was getting angry
11:44So he went out
11:45Got a knife
11:46Sit there with it
11:47Didn't hold it up to me
11:48Nothing like that
11:48Sit there with it
11:49And he said
11:50What are you doing?
11:51I said I'm not doing nothing
11:53And he goes
11:53Well sit down then
11:54So he threatens you with a knife
11:55Why'd you stay with him?
11:58I don't know man
11:59I'm just
12:00You scared of him?
12:01I've seen that like today
12:02And he's been on dating websites
12:04Things like that
12:05He's put pictures up of his bits
12:08I've had enough to be honest with you
12:09He's put pictures up of his private parts?
12:12Yeah saying he's gonna
12:12I'm sorry about my language
12:14And everything
12:14Saying he's gonna
12:15On her face
12:15And everything
12:16And with the scare
12:18That he's apparently cheated on me
12:20With that she's
12:20So why would she put up with this?
12:23I'm a mug
12:24Do you tell your mum what you think?
12:26Because your mum is out there
12:27Pretty defensive
12:28Although I'm in a defender
12:29She's sticking up for a daughter
12:31And he's saying
12:31The mother's full of rubbish
12:32And it's not about her
12:33It's about you and him
12:34At the end of the day
12:34My mum's gonna protect me
12:36Do you want to get out there
12:37And tell them this to his face?
12:38Because it's about time
12:39Somebody did
12:39You alright with that?
12:41Yeah
12:41Give her a round of applause
12:42George is next on the
12:43Join me down for
12:43Come here
12:44I know it's difficult
12:45But you've got to speak the truth
12:46Okay?
12:47You really have to
12:50There I go
12:50Give her a round of applause
12:58I'm not gonna say a word safe to say
13:00It doesn't seem to be just the mother
13:01Does it?
13:01And now you're not even looking at me
13:02Tell him what you just said to his face
13:04Don't say a word
13:04Listen to this
13:06I said about the time
13:07When me and you was arguing
13:08Yeah
13:09And you got really angry
13:11Yeah
13:11And you went out
13:12And got a knife out the drawer
13:14And you stood there
13:15I said you didn't hold it up to me
13:16Because you didn't
13:17Thank you
13:17And you stood there
13:18What'd you get the knife out
13:18The kid's jaw for then?
13:20That's a threat
13:21If she said that I didn't threaten her with it
13:23So how
13:23Do you know what I'm saying?
13:24Why would you pick the knife up?
13:25Is that what big men do?
13:27No
13:27Maybe I was in the kitchen when it happened
13:28And obviously you pick up a knife
13:30Or like you're in the kitchen
13:31Isn't it?
13:32Listen
13:32I'm not a mug mate
13:34So don't even pretend
13:35You think it's funny
13:35Do you?
13:36How do I think it's funny?
13:37What about sending pictures
13:38Of your personal private bits?
13:40Oi
13:40How have I sent pictures
13:41Of my private bits?
13:41You went on dating websites
13:43Yeah
13:43Will you omit that?
13:45No
13:45Don't omit them
13:46That's what I'm saying
13:47Why are you saying that for?
13:48You've been on loads of things
13:49No but why are you saying that?
13:50Why are you saying that?
13:51Alright take a test to say that you ain't then
13:54I said I was willing to take a test
13:56And I'm not allowed to take it
13:57Because of my medication
13:58So don't try and say that
13:59Well it's not just that
13:59It's because you're violent as well
14:00Isn't it?
14:01We don't do tests on violent people
14:02On the Jeremy Carr show
14:03Everybody knows that
14:04And you've got a history
14:05Of being violent
14:06Where's my history of violence?
14:08How many people in this audience
14:09Take a knife out of the kitchen drawer
14:11And stand next to their bird
14:12And go what are you saying?
14:13That is threatening behaviour
14:14That's not normal
14:15And if she was my daughter
14:17I wouldn't want to near you either
14:18Would I?
14:19Come on
14:21If that's what you're saying
14:22You know what I'm saying
14:23Listen yeah
14:24I was told yeah
14:25That like
14:26I'm only here to
14:27Like sort out my anger issues
14:28Yeah
14:29Your anger issues?
14:29I'm not saying that I ain't got anger
14:30What about your relationship?
14:31I'm not saying that
14:32Yeah I ain't saying that I ain't got anger
14:33I'm not saying that
14:34I'm not saying that in it
14:34But I've come here for my daughter
14:35I ain't come here for no one else
14:36You know what I'm saying
14:37I ain't come here to be
14:38Told this and told that
14:39What about your ex?
14:40What's your ex called?
14:41Lauren
14:41When I was with Joe
14:42He was nothing but a controlling serial cheat
14:44We have a kid together
14:45And he's a terrible father
14:46Who's never given me a penny
14:47He's one nasty piece of work
14:49I'm my bad father
14:50He's one
14:50No you are to this one's job
14:52I'm my bad father
14:52He is a nasty piece of work
14:53And in my opinion
14:54Thank you
14:55Georgia needs to get rid of him
14:56Before he destroys her self-esteem
14:58Like he did with me
14:59It wouldn't surprise me
15:01If he was cheating on Georgia
15:03With multiple girls
15:04Because a leopard never changes its spots
15:06That's your ex
15:07That's your ex
15:08Let me see that
15:09What do you think
15:10She made that up do you?
15:12I don't know
15:12It's all a big joke to you
15:14Isn't it?
15:14You're telling me you're not a cheat
15:15Yeah
15:15Okay so
15:15How come some numerous amount of girls
15:17Have said to me
15:17Messaged me
15:18Told me to my face
15:19That you've cheated on with them
15:21What's this about the woman
15:22Coming into your house
15:22Tell them about this
15:23The other week
15:23The flat
15:24A woman tried to
15:26Break into my flat
15:27What?
15:28Sorry?
15:29A woman tried to break into our flat
15:30Yeah
15:30Thank you
15:31And she was with a boy
15:33Thank you
15:36It's not serious at all you is it?
15:38She was trying to say that
15:39Like someone was in there with me
15:40Do you know what I'm saying?
15:41If someone broke into our flat
15:42Do you know what I'm saying?
15:43What are you?
15:45You're a violent
15:46I just come here for my daughter
15:48Yeah
15:48What about your girlfriend?
15:50What about your girlfriend?
15:50What are you wrong?
15:51You're saying to me
15:52I'd lose my family
15:52If I didn't come here
15:53Yeah
15:53I don't say that to you
15:54So that's why I'm hearing it
15:54Yeah
15:55Well why don't you put your hands in the air
15:57And admit why you're messing your relationship up
15:59Then because you're violent
16:01You're saying that happens
16:05How disgusting is this right?
16:07I've got this girl telling me
16:10That everything inside my flat
16:12She's described everything in my flat
16:13And she's told me
16:14What my bed sheets look like
16:15And everything
16:15She's had sex with him
16:16In my bed
16:17And not changed the sheets
16:19And my daughter
16:20Has laid on that bed
16:21And I've had
16:23Why are you with him?
16:24I'm not
16:25Do you know what?
16:25Take that back
16:26I'll see if I can get it off
16:27You can take that
16:32It meant nothing to you
16:33It doesn't mean anything to you at all
16:36Does it?
16:36No, I don't
16:37No
16:37Mum
16:38I'm only here for my daughter
16:39Do you know what I'm saying?
16:40That's it
16:41That's all I'm here for
16:41You ain't just cheated on me
16:42Though you cheated on your daughter as well
16:44Okay, okay
16:44Talk to your daughter
16:45I ain't got to listen to this
16:46Do you know what I'm saying?
16:46Well, that means you don't give a damn
16:48Doesn't it?
16:50That's what little boys do
16:51Talk to your daughter
16:53Georgia knows how I feel
16:54I want her away from him totally
16:57Because I'm scared
16:58This is how bad it is
16:59Tell your daughter
16:59Because this is the reality
17:00I'm scared it's going to kill you
17:02That's how scared I am
17:04And Georgia knows this already
17:07You have obviously told your mum stuff, Georgia
17:09I've told her things, yeah
17:10And that will colour her view
17:12And that's what I said at the beginning of this part
17:14Tell your daughter
17:16You've got a daughter, right?
17:17Yeah
17:17Tell your daughter how it feels
17:20To lie in bed at night or be at home
17:22And imagine what that might or might not be doing to you
17:25Because that's the story here
17:27To your daughter
17:28Yeah
17:28Tell her
17:29I mean, there's numerous times when we've had
17:31Georgia's come round early hours in the morning
17:33Just recently as well
17:34Where he's trying to strangle her
17:35When the girl broke in and everything
17:36Because I was really scared
17:37I was like panicking
17:38He put his hand over my mouth
17:39And was just like, shut up
17:40Do you think his behaviour is acceptable?
17:43No
17:44Normal
17:44That's why I need to
17:46End all contact with him
17:47He can see his daughter when he wants
17:49I don't mind that
17:49I have no problem with that
17:50He's alright to do that
17:52But other than that
17:53He's dead to me
17:56Darling, it's not for me to tell you
18:04That words are cheap
18:05Listen
18:06You can't do anything in your life
18:08Unless you want to do it
18:09But this is a man who's now locked himself in the make-up room
18:13Have you seen that?
18:14This is a man who is quite happy to hold a knife
18:17Up against a 19-year-old girl
18:19Words are cheap
18:20You need to tell this guy and mean it
18:22Not for your mother
18:23Not for me
18:24Actually, weirdly
18:25Not even for your daughter
18:26Because he can, as you quite rightly say
18:27Be a good dad and a terrible boyfriend
18:29But you should only say what you mean
18:31And if you do mean it
18:32There's no better time
18:33Than to go and tell him now
18:34To sling his
18:36She's
18:36I get your mum
18:38If you were my kid
18:39I'd probably kidnap you
18:40And I'm being
18:40I bet you were laughing
18:41But I would
18:42I wouldn't want you near that
18:43I'd do the same to my daughter though
18:44But that's all you can think about
18:46If you put your daughter in your shoes
18:49In 15, 18 years' time
18:51Any parent who's worth anything
18:53Would be reacting like your mum
18:55I actually think she's brilliant to be here
18:57Come with me
18:57You can do this if you want
18:59But I think you should talk to him
19:02Where are we now?
19:09Has he locked himself in?
19:11Has he?
19:12Come with me
19:14Why has he locked in?
19:15Are you opening the door or what?
19:18Oi
19:20Open the door
19:20It's not your building
19:23You got a coin?
19:24Give me a coin
19:26What do you say?
19:27Move the camera out of my face bro
19:28No it's a television show
19:29It's my room
19:30And I'll open the door
19:31And put a camera out of my face
19:33She wants to talk to you
19:34She wants to talk to me
19:35I'm trying to slay me on a stage
19:37And trying to say this and that about me
19:38When you know
19:38She's saying the truth
19:40What she's not speaking the truth
19:41I'm not talking to no one innit
19:42I'm not talking innit
19:43I'm not talking
19:44Listen I'm not
19:45Talking to her
19:46Oh you're not talking to her
19:47What are you going to threaten her now
19:48And hope that when she gets home
19:49She's going to do what you
19:50Why don't you listen to what she wants to say to you
19:52It's just embarrassing
19:53It's a bit difficult that though
19:54I'm a bit embarrassed
19:55I'm a bit embarrassed
19:56I said you're embarrassing yourself
19:57Shut up man
19:57Oh shut up
19:59What because it's the truth
20:00Or you don't like people telling you the truth
20:01It's not the truth
20:02So what you're gone
20:04What you're gone from the relationship
20:05No
20:05You need to talk to her
20:07No
20:07Oh you're going to have a go at me
20:08Are you
20:09No I'm not having a go at you
20:10You're there yeah
20:11You're trying to say all this about me
20:12Well you don't know nothing about me
20:13I am putting what the mother said
20:14You don't know nothing about me
20:15I know you raised a knife to her
20:16People do lie you know
20:18People lie
20:18So you didn't raise a
20:19Hold on a second
20:20Alright I'll put your side
20:20No I didn't raise a knife to her no
20:22I was in the kitchen
20:23You haven't cheated on her
20:24You didn't have sex on the marital bed
20:25With somebody else
20:26Then refuted
20:27Don't run away
20:28No I didn't
20:28No I didn't
20:29Why are they telling me that you did then
20:30Who's telling you that I did
20:32A girl when I was pregnant
20:33And another girl
20:34The one who broke into our flat
20:36Who broke into our flat yeah
20:38And she told me you did
20:39And you've been meeting up with her
20:40And you've had sex in our bed
20:42And all that so far
20:42Okay then
20:43Okay
20:43That's where our child
20:44Okay
20:45That's what you're saying
20:46Yeah
20:47No that's what you're saying
20:48Who's telling you haven't then
20:49I've said that I will do the test
20:51I said that
20:52Yeah they said that I couldn't do it
20:54They said that I couldn't do it
20:56They said that I couldn't do it
20:58Because of your violent past
20:58Yeah but Jeremy
20:59If you look at all the things
21:00Are you saying
21:01I said that I will do it
21:03I'm not saying you didn't
21:04I haven't said that
21:05Let me ask you something
21:06So you're saying
21:07And it happens before on this show
21:08That all of what's been said
21:10Are people stirring it
21:11Yeah
21:11But you have been to prison
21:14Is that irrelevant
21:16So you've got a violent past
21:17Is that irrelevant
21:17I'm the best dad out there
21:19I don't claim no benefits
21:20What about your boyfriend
21:22Do you know what I'm saying
21:23Have you treated her fairly
21:24Yeah
21:25Well I ain't treated you good
21:27I've never treated you good
21:28Say I haven't
21:29Apart from what you've threatened that
21:31Yeah
21:31You've been alright to me
21:32Yes
21:33Huh
21:34Yeah you have been alright with me
21:35Apart from what you've threatened that
21:36Thank you
21:37But still that's not
21:38But that's still not right
21:39To threaten me is it
21:41George what did I say to you
21:42Yeah listen
21:43I come here yeah
21:44I come here yeah
21:45What did I come here for
21:46Why did you come here
21:46Yeah but you were saying
21:47I'm coming
21:48I'm not coming
21:48No I come in yeah
21:49Because obviously I admit that
21:51I've got a problem with my anger
21:52Right okay
21:53And we'll help you with that
21:54We'll help you with that
21:55That's why I'm here
21:56Look at me
21:57Do you not think right
21:58Whether she's right
22:00Or you're right
22:01Here's the lady
22:02Apparently you want to
22:03Share your life with
22:04And I absolutely
22:04Please listen
22:05And I'm here for that
22:05Are you going to listen to me or not
22:07Yeah
22:07There will always be people
22:08In the world who say things
22:09For whatever reasons
22:10Look at me
22:11Yeah I'm looking at you
22:12You keep saying
22:12I'm not looking at you
22:13I'm looking at you innit
22:14You're looking over there
22:15I'm here
22:16Yeah but that's how
22:17That's how I deal with things innit
22:19So I'm listening
22:20Because I'm not looking at you
22:21Why don't you put your hands in the air
22:22And admit what you've got done
22:23What you've done wrong in the past
22:24And that might give her mother
22:25Some ground on which to start
22:27To perhaps change her opinion
22:28Tell me
22:29Her mum's always had a bad opinion
22:31About me
22:31Look at me
22:32Or look over there
22:32Whatever
22:33What have you done wrong to this lady
22:34Be honest
22:35Admit it
22:35What have you done
22:36What would you say was wrong
22:37In your behaviour towards her
22:39Maybe I
22:40Yeah I lose my temper quite bad
22:42Have you ever been violent
22:43No
22:43Do you think pulling a knife out
22:44The kitchen drawer is acceptable
22:46I'm not saying that
22:46But it wasn't intended
22:47To threaten her with it
22:48It ain't intended
22:49To threaten her with it
22:50It's not intended
22:51You want help with your anger
22:52I promise you on my life
22:54The best help in the world
22:55What are you saying
22:55The relationship's over
22:56Or it mightn't be over
22:57Or it mightn't be better
22:58If he doesn't do this
22:59Until I see
23:01Some major changes
23:02I'm not with you
23:03Well that's good
23:04Because I don't want to be with you anyway
23:05You don't want to be
23:06But you want our help
23:07No
23:07You want our help for anger
23:08You don't
23:09I knew all this
23:10I wouldn't have even told you
23:11Oh you don't want any help
23:12With your anger
23:13So you're obviously not that bothered
23:14About your child then
23:15Because if you were
23:15You'd get help for your anger
23:17Because nobody wants
23:17A violent bloke around his child
23:19And I'm not chasing you anymore
23:20Because it's doing my head in
23:22Let me tell you something
23:23This is absolutely true
23:25Where's mum please
23:25We're blocking
23:26Come here
23:28Listen
23:29These stories are never the easiest
23:32I get
23:33When everybody tells you
23:35That he's this
23:35He's that
23:36You stick your head in the sand
23:38You try and prove everybody wrong
23:39She's a good lady
23:40I know she is
23:42He can be a great dad
23:43The only thing you need to think about
23:45With our help
23:46And your parents' help
23:46Is the following
23:48When I was growing up
23:49Was that really what I wanted
23:51Was that my prince charming
23:52Was that acceptable behaviour
23:55Even at that moment
23:56When he went
23:57And I offered him real help
23:59From the Jeremy Carr show
24:00To deal with his anger
24:01The light of which might be you
24:02Certainly seeing his kid
24:04Not bothered
24:05Because he doesn't care
24:06You are worth a lot more than this
24:09I can see in your demeanour
24:10In your stature
24:11In everything
24:11Shut that door
24:12And shut him up
24:13I can see
24:15What
24:17Oh do me a favour
24:19Move the camera
24:20Move the camera
24:21I can't move the camera
24:23It's a television show
24:24Just calm down
24:26Finish alright
24:27Move the camera then
24:28Just stand there quietly
24:29And behave yourself
24:30What I would be in there
24:32Having tried to get my missus sorted
24:33But you don't want my help
24:34Do you
24:35Missus sorted
24:36Why do you think
24:36I'm all the way in Manchester
24:38No idea
24:38Because I just offered you real help
24:40And you said no
24:41I've come in
24:42I've admitted what I've done
24:43And what not yet
24:44Eventually
24:44And you're trying to tell me
24:45That I'm doing this
24:46And I'm doing that
24:47You're not
24:47There you don't know
24:49I haven't told you anything
24:50It's your missus
24:51Listen you don't know
24:52Really
24:52You don't know
24:53What do you know
24:54What do you know
24:55Oh yeah
24:56What
24:57Little
24:57You got two hopes
25:00Ridiculous
25:00You just did it on camera
25:01You're a mug
25:02You won't be allowed
25:03When are you going to see
25:04Your child eh
25:06You're not going to see your child at all
25:08Are you
25:08Brilliant
25:10Very good role model
25:11My friend
25:12See you later
25:13Take him out the building
25:14He's a waste of space
25:17That is no good
25:19Family
25:20Kid
25:21Safety
25:21Graham
25:22Will do the business
25:23Give him a round of applause
25:24Those are gentlemen
25:28How much did he show
25:29The true colours
25:30She has to get away from him
25:32But
25:32You know what
25:33It's the old thing
25:34She has to make that decision
25:35For herself
25:35We'll talk to her
25:36We'll give her the confidence
25:37And I promise you
25:38We'll keep you updated
25:38And after the break
25:39On that stage
25:40A guy
25:40Who's here to confront his girlfriend
25:42After she lied
25:43Check this
25:43About a miscarriage
25:44I'm right back
25:45I actually love you
25:46I want to be with you
25:47And you're sitting there
25:48Saying all that about me
25:49How dare you
25:50You're the one
25:50Someone else
25:51I told you
25:52I told you did
25:53Yeah you told me you did
25:54But I would actually
25:55Someone else
25:56That's the thing
26:06Thank you very much
26:07Welcome back
26:07My next guest today
26:08Darren is here to confront
26:09His girlfriend of three months
26:10Ruby
26:11As he believes
26:11That she has been cheating
26:12On him with another man
26:13Now Darren says
26:14He no longer trusts Ruby
26:15After discovering
26:16Dirty underwear
26:19And secret Facebook messages
26:21To other men
26:21Now Darren says
26:22That she has a history
26:23Of lying
26:23And even questions
26:24If she was telling the truth
26:26This is shocking
26:27About miscarrying their baby
26:29He's here today
26:31For the truth
26:31Darren is on
26:31The Jeremy Kyle show
26:32Give him a round of applause
26:37How are you still?
26:40You alright?
26:41You alright?
26:42Just like
26:42Strong words
26:44Very, very strong words
26:45You've only been with her
26:46A number of months
26:47Um
26:49Please don't take this
26:50The wrong way
26:50Oh
26:51Whoa
26:52She messaged me
26:53Out the blue
26:54And asked for sex
26:54To be honest
26:55It wasn't difficult
26:56Well yeah
26:59How did she have your number?
27:01No, Facebook
27:02So what?
27:03She's on
27:03I must have
27:04Get in
27:04She poked you?
27:06No
27:06She had me as a friend
27:09She had me as a friend
27:10On Facebook
27:10Right
27:11She says to me
27:13She keeps talking to me
27:14And she says to me
27:15I think we had sex once
27:17And I'm thinking
27:17Oh Ty
27:18I don't even know you
27:19Like you're spinning me brain out
27:21Like what are you on about?
27:22And she starts saying
27:23Spinning me brain out?
27:25Yeah
27:25No
27:25No
27:26Trey cool
27:26Yeah
27:27No and then she says
27:28Yeah we've had sex before
27:29I was like
27:29Well did we?
27:31I can't remember
27:31It's not very memorable
27:32If we did
27:32I don't even remember
27:33Exactly
27:33And then I said to her
27:34Well let's meet up
27:35And do it again
27:35Yeah let's go for round two
27:36Sort of thing
27:37Yeah
27:37Bing bang bosh
27:38Went over there
27:39Let's go for round two
27:40Bing bang bosh
27:41Done job
27:41Marvellous
27:42So you went round to see her
27:43And then what happened?
27:45Was it romantic?
27:45No not really
27:47Straight
27:48Straight to it
27:49Straight to it
27:50Yeah
27:50So what
27:51She literally opened her door
27:53Kissed me
27:54Went upstairs
27:55And
27:55Yeah
27:57That's that
28:01Now on a serious note
28:03There's a reason for doing this
28:05She then claims pretty quickly
28:07That she's pregnant
28:09Yeah about a month after
28:11Yeah
28:11That'll work out
28:12One morning she told me she's pregnant
28:15I was like shocked obviously
28:16And then she said to me
28:19I've told
28:21I've got to book in a balsam clinic
28:23For half past eleven
28:24Today
28:24And I was like
28:25Well hold up
28:25What are you doing?
28:26You're spinning your brain a bit
28:28Now haven't you?
28:28Hold tight
28:29Just tell me you're pregnant
28:30Go home about a balsam clinic
28:31Telling me it's booked for half eleven
28:32Today
28:32Anyway after that
28:34We've got
28:36I'll get talking
28:37When I was out of the room
28:38And I put it on
28:39And I said
28:39Well don't you think
28:40You're really a bit out of all
28:41A balsam clinic behind me
28:42Back if she's pregnant
28:43If she is pregnant
28:44My baby
28:44Don't you think you're a bit wrong
28:45What are you doing?
28:46Spending my brain
28:47Yeah
28:47And looks at me
28:48And looks at me
28:49And
28:50Like as if
28:50What are you on about?
28:52So that was a lie
28:53Yeah
28:53You described this lady
28:54I lost your baby Darren
28:57What are you saying?
28:58Oh you're sick Darren
28:59You know I lost your baby
29:00I come home yeah
29:02From being out of my sister
29:03And cleans me up
29:05Where's your blood come from eh?
29:07It don't come from nowhere
29:08Tomato sauce
29:14Let's do this seriously
29:15We're talking about a baby
29:16That didn't make it
29:17You can't be serious
29:18Because she's off her nut
29:18That's what I'm saying
29:19You say
29:22You say
29:23You say
29:24You say she's dodgy
29:25She's a drama queen
29:26I know she's been messaging other geezers
29:28I'm a drama queen Jeremy
29:32Offering photos of herself
29:34All sorts of stuff
29:34The reason that they came to this show today
29:36Was
29:37Was
29:37Was
29:38Was to
29:38To find out
29:39Whether
29:40She'd been having an effect
29:41We tried to do a lie detector
29:44But because of her medical condition
29:46We couldn't get
29:47A response
29:48That would be absolutely appropriate
29:50And right
29:50In terms of getting the stuff
29:52And you were told that before the show
29:53But you're not very happy about that are you?
29:55Well I don't want to disrespect her
29:56But she has a medical condition
29:57That affects one side of her body
29:58I know that
29:58She's had a stroke
29:59At a very young age
30:00And it's affected one side
30:01And of course
30:01That would make it difficult
30:03But you were that
30:03You were that disrespectful
30:04You said
30:05It doesn't make any difference
30:06When I'm thrown around the bedroom
30:08Well
30:09Or
30:09She can walk up and down the stairs
30:12She can do everything
30:13Why do you think she's cheating?
30:15And why are you even bothered?
30:16Because you don't seem to get on
30:17What else Darren?
30:18After I lost your baby mate
30:19Come on
30:20What evidence have you got that
30:21I'm going to get her out here
30:23I'm going to let her do it
30:24Ruby's on the Jeremy Carl show
30:25Give her a round of applause
30:32I'm going to let her do it
30:40Well
30:40So what are you with me for
30:41All in your div?
30:42Because I actually love you Darren
30:44I actually love you
30:45I want to be with you
30:45And you're sitting there
30:46Saying all that about me
30:47How dare you?
30:49You're the one
30:50I told you
30:52Yeah you told me you did
30:53But I haven't actually
30:54Did I lie?
30:55That's the thing
30:56Did I lie?
30:56No you can't
30:57I didn't
30:57I didn't
30:58I can't
30:58I can't
31:00I've lost your baby
31:02Listen
31:02Listen
31:03It was just a conversation Darren
31:05It was just a conversation
31:06Hello
31:07How did you meet him?
31:10Facebook
31:11What?
31:12But he says that you said
31:13You'd had sex with him
31:14Before you had sex
31:15Right listen
31:16I can't
31:17I swear to God
31:18Yeah
31:19I actually thought
31:20I did
31:20At some point
31:21Yeah I did
31:22I mean straight
31:23That is how
31:24Yeah
31:24And I told him
31:25He was like
31:26Nah really
31:27And then
31:27No no
31:28The day you did
31:29He came round
31:30Tell me exactly what happened
31:31He came to your front door
31:33Yeah but listen
31:34No no
31:34You shut that
31:36You shut that
31:37You shut that
31:38You shut that
31:39You lied
31:39You lied and told me
31:40You've been in me head now
31:41You shut that
31:42Altra
31:43Altra we ain't even on that
31:44At the moment
31:45We ain't at the moment
31:46We ain't at the moment
31:47We just changed everything
31:48Shush Darren
31:49You're off your nut
31:50He said you opened the door
31:51Gave me a kiss
31:51Straight upstairs
31:52Bob's your uncle
31:53No
31:53You what are you lying for
31:55Oh my God
31:55I told him
31:56He was giving all the mouth
31:59He was giving all the mouth
32:00What are you doing
32:01Oh my Lord
32:01Like on
32:02On like
32:03Facebook
32:03No
32:04Even Texas as well
32:05Because he was texting as well
32:06Said I'm going to do this
32:07I'm going to do that
32:08I thought
32:08Do you know what
32:08See you
32:09When you get to my house
32:10I'm going to show you
32:10Because you're all mouth mate
32:11See you
32:12When he comes to my house
32:12I go out to him
32:13And I kissed him
32:13It was just a kiss
32:14And then we stood
32:15In my kitchen
32:16And we were talking for ages
32:17Was we not
32:17Talking for ages
32:19How long?
32:20Well it was a long time
32:21An hour?
32:22Well I did tell him straight
32:23I just went
32:24That's what I did
32:27But the thing is
32:29If you
32:29I mean
32:29There's no way of putting this nicely
32:31If you were that easy
32:32It would be
32:34He'd probably think
32:35That
32:36You're the male equivalent
32:37You dived in
32:38Didn't you
32:39Didn't say no
32:40Dived in first
32:41Didn't you
32:46You don't complain
32:48When you
32:48Me do you
32:49Darren
32:49Really
32:49He says that
32:51And this is important
32:52For obvious reasons
32:53Let's drop the swearing
32:54Please
32:55He says
32:56Which is a pretty shocking accusation
32:57That you made up a miscarriage
32:59No
33:00Were you pregnant?
33:01Yep
33:01And lost his baby
33:02How does that feel
33:03To hear somebody say
33:04You made that up
33:06It breaks my heart
33:07And he
33:07He knows he breaks my heart
33:10I didn't say she made up a miscarriage
33:11I said she made up about
33:14Saying to her
33:16That she was pregnant with my baby
33:17Were you pregnant?
33:19Yes
33:19And you lost the baby
33:20We went out
33:21I don't want to know about the
33:23Saturday night
33:24Because it was my sister's birthday
33:25They was all drinking
33:26I was not going to lie to you
33:27I had a couple of shots of that
33:29Before I went out
33:29Which I ain't really
33:31I might be wrong
33:32But I did
33:32Exactly
33:35I was telling everyone
33:36People will be shocked
33:38To hear that you took shots
33:40When you were pregnant
33:40I have done
33:41No
33:42It wasn't like proper shots
33:43It was just like
33:44Drink
33:44Alcohol is a no-go
33:45When you're pregnant
33:46Okay
33:46You don't see that
33:48She's got squirrel looks
33:49I'm telling you now
33:50She's off and not
33:51It doesn't stop you being with her
33:52Does it?
33:53And it does stop you accusing me
33:54When I put a washing machine on
33:56To put my white knickers in the dark
33:58He thinks I've cheated
33:59Are you dumb?
34:01Are you dumb?
34:03I'm still putting out
34:03From him
34:04I love the bloke
34:05If I didn't love him
34:06I wouldn't do the things
34:07I do for him
34:08Because I do do a lot for him
34:09What do you do for him?
34:10Everything
34:10He knows what I do
34:11Give me a headache
34:12Give you a headache
34:15Have you cheated on him?
34:16No
34:16No, I haven't
34:17I haven't
34:18Listen
34:19I get sex from him
34:20Whenever I want
34:21Oh, gosh
34:22I don't need to go
34:23And get sex from someone else
34:24Tell him then
34:24I've had enough about
34:25Talking about it
34:26I haven't had it for ages
34:27Myself
34:27Right
34:28Well
34:29You need to get yourself
34:30A new woman, Jeremy
34:32You do know I love you
34:34Do you actually think it's funny
34:36Lying about babies
34:37I was pregnant with your baby
34:39And I lost it, Darren
34:40And do you think it's funny
34:41When you're like
34:42So a girlfriend loses your baby
34:44You go and jump into bed
34:45With some other woman
34:45Have you cheated on her?
34:47No
34:47No, he hasn't cheated
34:48I ended it
34:49I ended my shit
34:50Do you want to know what I think?
34:51Do you want to know what I think
34:52For a moment, Siri?
34:53She's a liar
34:54I don't think she is
34:56I don't think she's cheated
34:57She told you
34:58How many people in this audience
34:59Without looking?
35:00Put your hands in the air
35:01If you think she's cheated
35:03How many people think
35:04She hasn't cheated
35:05They just gas each other
35:06The whole time
35:07Look at the audience, my friend
35:09You're two of a kind, you lot
35:11Telling a woman with respect
35:13And hear me out
35:15That you think she's made up
35:16A miscarriage
35:16Is probably one of the most
35:17Healest things you can say
35:19Your mouth is potty
35:21She is potty
35:22Right
35:22Well, yeah
35:23But that's probably
35:24What attracts you to her
35:25Yeah, really do you
35:26Yes, yes
35:31At the end of the day
35:32We were honest about why
35:33You couldn't do a lie detector
35:35I take
35:36No, I think she's done
35:37But you're saying
35:38You're saying
35:39I had done the lie detector
35:41And then they come back to me
35:43After I've actually sat there
35:45Can you stop arguing
35:46For God's sake
35:47It's like
35:47The lady told me why
35:49Apparently because you're
35:50Sitting uncomfortable
35:50No, it's not that
35:51It's because it's not disrespected
35:53She's had a stroke
35:54And there's a less degree of control
35:56On the left-hand side
35:57I don't care if you disrespect me
35:58I still right hook him in the mouth
35:59Mate
35:59This don't bother me
36:01It don't bother me
36:03What's going to happen in the future?
36:04Are we together?
36:05Well, I want to be with him
36:06Obviously, I actually do love him
36:07Can I suggest the next time
36:08You try and slag each other off
36:10Just
36:10Just
36:10Just
36:12Just
36:12Just
36:12Don't be so disgustingly personal
36:15About each other
36:15I don't care
36:17I always will
36:17I always have
36:18You love her though
36:19Don't you?
36:19No, no, because to be honest
36:20I think you love the drama
36:21And the role we're going to do
36:22She thinks I'm a muggy
36:22And she needs to come back
36:23She doesn't take you're a mug
36:24She said she loves you
36:25She doesn't pull the wool over my eyes
36:26She checks
36:27She's a what?
36:28No, I didn't say that
36:29Um
36:30It's going to be like this forever
36:31Isn't it?
36:32I actually do love you
36:34You idiot
36:35How much more out of your mouth
36:37Am I going to put up with Darren?
36:38Really?
36:39Really?
36:39So why are you lying to me
36:40I'm 23 years old, yeah?
36:42Are you really?
36:43Huh?
36:44Are you?
36:45Yeah
36:45Well, I don't know
36:46Bit of advice for a minute
36:47How old are you?
36:4834
36:48Well then
36:49You've got yourself a pretty girl
36:51And you're the one who tells me that, yeah?
36:53So what is wrong with you?
36:54Why are you pushing me away?
36:56Why are you lying to me like I'm a c***?
36:57I don't lie to you all the time though, Darren, do I?
37:00You've told some lies
37:01You've told some lies
37:01You've both said some horrible things to each other
37:03But the fact of the matter is
37:05Right?
37:05There's obviously some in there
37:06It's a rollercoaster
37:07It's a dramatic relationship
37:08But at the end of the day
37:09You put up or you shut up
37:11Do me a favour though
37:12If you stripped everything away
37:14It's obvious you love her
37:16And you're insecure
37:17You've been cheated on before?
37:18I
37:18Have you been cheated on before?
37:20No, I haven't, no
37:20Not as far as I know, no
37:24I don't know
37:26Just do me a favour
37:27And I never usually say this
37:29This is a talk show, right?
37:30You two need to talk less
37:32And just live your lives
37:33And stop bitching at each other
37:34And see what happens
37:35I think she's clever
37:37I'll tell you what, this is the only time in the history of the Jeremy Carl show
37:40Where I'm going to leave you two here
37:41And I'm going to go to an ad break and go and lie down in a dark room
37:44If you want to leave the stage, that's fine
37:45If you just want to carry an arcing
37:47There's obviously something there, okay?
37:49What do you want to do?
37:50Do you love him?
37:51I love him for my own
37:52Do you love her?
37:53I want to know
37:54What?
37:56I'm going to a break
37:57I'm back with DNA results next
37:58Let's turn on
37:59Goodbye
37:59You thought as a mother
38:01It would be prudent to tell him his potential son
38:05Even if it was 10% was dead
38:08That's what you're saying
38:09I hold my hands high
38:11Bloody right you should
38:12Right in the air
38:13It's disgusting
38:15It's disgusting
38:16It's disgusting
38:20So 6.30 in the morning
38:21We're out with Lancashire Constabulary
38:23About to execute the series of warrants
38:25They're about to leave
38:33These people who forgive
38:34Fair play to them
38:35Yeah, they're better people than me
38:41Why'd you set it up?
38:42You with this guy one day
38:43He could be dead the next day
38:47Are you exploiting young people to get drunk and perform a lute sex act?
38:54You get pepper spray spray in your face
38:56Is that because we're trying to find out what it's really like?
39:08Do you need to find out who is the father of the baby?
39:11Do you need that all-important DNA test?
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39:44Welcome back
39:44My next guest today
39:45Gavin is here for crucial DNA results
39:47After discovering that he could be the dad to the baby he believed
39:50Check this
39:50Had died two years ago
39:52Now Gavin says
39:53After his fling with Nicky three years ago
39:55Which resulted in her becoming pregnant
39:57He was ready to be a dad until
39:58Get this
39:59He received the devastating news
40:01That not only was there another potential father
40:03But then
40:03That she had tragically suffered a miscarriage
40:06Now two years on
40:07He received a Facebook message
40:09Claiming that the baby was actually alive and well
40:12And he rang this show
40:13Because he says
40:14You know what
40:14With respect
40:15It's always men who are painted a certain way
40:17I need to know the truth
40:18I need to know
40:19If I'm a dad
40:20Gavin is next on the Jeremy Carr show
40:22That way
40:28Thank you
40:31I'm sure you are nervous
40:32And I think it's easy for people to sit there
40:34And think you know
40:36This really really shocked me
40:38When I read this this morning
40:40You met Nicky online
40:41You clicked straight away
40:45A bit like our story before
40:46She fell pregnant very quickly
40:48But you were honest
40:49And said she felt it all moved a bit too fast
40:51Yeah
40:52Meet, have sex, I'm pregnant
40:54Two weeks later
40:55It might not be yours
40:56It might be somebody else's
40:57Dumps him two weeks later
40:59Then the bombshell
40:59It's not your baby
41:02You were ready though
41:03And I said this in the introduction
41:04To step up
41:05When you wanted to
41:06I've always said
41:08If it happens
41:08I'll step up to the mark
41:10Good for you
41:10But
41:11How devastating was it
41:12When
41:14When she
41:16Said the baby
41:17Was no longer alive
41:47A lot because I thought
41:49Then you find out
41:50Then you find out that in fact
41:50This baby
41:51Oh it was a shock
41:52Yeah
41:52It came out of the blue
41:53Two years of age
41:55What goes through your head then
41:57This one was the biggest liar in the world
41:58I just wanted to know the truth at the time
42:00And think
42:01Why
42:01Why tell us
42:02What if this baby's yours
42:04How would you feel about a woman
42:04Who's denied you
42:06In effect
42:07Being involved in your child's life
42:08For two years
42:09I wouldn't be happy
42:09But I'm gonna have to move on
42:11With my life
42:11And
42:12Have you ever seen this baby
42:13No
42:13I've seen pictures
42:15How old's the baby?
42:17Two
42:17Boy or girl?
42:18Boy
42:18If you look at that screen
42:19That could be your son
42:21First time you've ever seen him
42:23No
42:25Don't you think it's disgusting
42:26To have withheld this
42:27I mean
42:27Don't get me wrong
42:28I could be totally wrong
42:29She could be right
42:30But there's something in my head
42:31That says
42:31You meet somebody
42:32Have sex with somebody
42:33Announce that you're pregnant
42:33Then you say
42:34It could be somebody else
42:35Because you're sleeping with two
42:36Then you dump one
42:36Get with the other one
42:37And then you tell the other one
42:38That the baby's not around anymore
42:39And then you build a lovely little life
42:41With that one
42:41And then it
42:42That's disgusting
42:43Way to treat anybody
42:44Isn't it
42:44For his sake
42:45And for your sake
42:48Well you listen
42:49You say it's not what happened at all
42:50I'll tell you what then
42:50You come out here Nikki
42:52And you tell me what happened
42:53Nikki's on the Jeremy Kyle show
42:54She says that didn't happen at all
43:00I told you
43:01I told you
43:03As soon as I found out
43:04The dates didn't match up
43:06That there was another potential dad
43:08That was before you
43:10I wasn't sleeping with two people
43:12At the same time
43:13That was before you
43:14Can I
43:15Hello
43:15I don't want to be disrespectful
43:16I don't care who you slept with when
43:18What I wanted to put to you
43:19Was this
43:19You told a man
43:21Two years ago
43:22You'd had a miscarriage
43:23Or the baby was no longer alive
43:24And two years later
43:25On my screen
43:27Is a two year old baby
43:30That he didn't think was alive
43:32That's disgusting
43:33The reason
43:34Where's the baby
43:34I see me
43:35And I can see you there
43:37The reason why I did that for
43:39Is because he was messaging us
43:40Every single day
43:41How many times did you threaten me
43:44Because I told you
43:46Because I told you that
43:46Maybe we had a different
43:48Possibly have a different dad
43:50Let's just go back to the word
43:51I'm not condoning his behaviour
43:52What I'm saying to you is
43:53I'm not condoning what I do
43:54In the thought that he was being abused
43:56You thought as a mother
43:58It would be prudent
44:00To tell him
44:01His potential son
44:02Even if it was 10%
44:04Was dead
44:05That's what you're saying
44:06I hold my hands high
44:08Bloody right you should
44:09Right in the air
44:13Disgusting
44:14As soon as I'm weird
44:15Shall I tell you why it's disgusting
44:17Shall I tell you why it's disgusting him
44:19He might be the worst person in the world
44:21Let me finish what I was saying
44:21No it's disgusting
44:22As soon as them words came out my mouth
44:25I regretted it
44:25Then why has it taken you two years
44:27Because I didn't know how to correct the mistake
44:29That's how
44:30Do you think he is the dad
44:31Yes I do think he's the dad
44:33Do you know what does my head in
44:34It hasn't been easy
44:35Oh here we go
44:36That doesn't wash
44:37Because if you were a bloke
44:38And they'll agree with me
44:39And I know they will
44:40If you were a bloke
44:41You'd be slaughtered
44:42But because you're a woman
44:43You're going to cry
44:43If you've denied him
44:45This boy
44:46And his father
44:47Whatever he is
44:48For two years
44:49That is on your conscience
44:50From now to the end of your life
44:51It's disgusting
44:52It comes out on Facebook
44:53That that baby was still alive
44:55Facebook
44:55How come he's never made any attempt
44:57To get in touch
44:58You told him the baby was dead
45:01You told him the baby was dead love
45:03Four days ago
45:04I got a message
45:05Four days ago
45:06Of somebody
45:06Why would he get in touch with you
45:08For two years
45:08You told him the baby
45:10What you've done
45:11Four days ago
45:12Do you know what she just said to me
45:13She thinks you are the dad
45:15I do think he is the dad
45:16I can't even believe
45:16Is this calm
45:17I think it's
45:18I'm sorry
45:18I don't want the audience to think
45:20It's disgusting love
45:21I know
45:21I'm not proud of my behaviour
45:23And I'm not proud of the mistakes
45:24I've made
45:25And I'm here to correct
45:26The mistakes I have made
45:28And if he is the father
45:29How do you correct it?
45:30Then I would like him
45:32To meet his son
45:32And I would like to
45:34Let them build that relationship
45:39I'm here today
45:40To get what's best for me son
45:41I know it may be too little
45:43Too late in your eyes
45:45But
45:45Did you ring this show?
45:47No
45:49Who rang the show then?
45:51Me
45:51He did
45:51So you didn't really want to correct it
45:52He wanted to find out the truth
45:54To be honest
45:55Yes I did
45:55You told me just now
45:56You believe he's the dad
45:57Why do you believe that?
45:59Because he looks like him
46:02What does this mean to you pal?
46:04I'd like to be pretty fair
46:05I'd rather know the truth
46:06Than be kept in the dark
46:08I would be spitting
46:11I'm shocked to be quite fair
46:11Four days ago I found out
46:14Four days ago you found out
46:15That boy there could be your son
46:16According to her is your son
46:18Possibly
46:18I think it is
46:19How sure?
46:20Obviously there's a 50% chance
46:22I'd say about 70%
46:24The DNA test results show that Gavin
46:31Is not the child's biological father
46:36I'm sorry
46:38Somebody in the front row of the audience
46:40Called you sick
46:41Can I go?
46:43I'll tell you before you do go
46:45I want to say something to you
46:46People make judgments a lot
46:48I think I'm talking now
46:50Shut up
46:50It's called the Jeremy Kyle show
46:52I'm speaking to him
47:00I'll tell you one thing
47:01I'll tell you one thing my friend
47:03You did nothing wrong
47:04You came here straight away
47:05When you found out
47:06You wanted to get the truth
47:07Your reaction
47:08Your calmness says a lot
47:09And this isn't corny cheap words
47:11You will be
47:13You will be an amazing father
47:15One day
47:16And you will deserve to be
47:17I appreciate you being on the show
47:18Give him a round of applause
47:19Go that way
47:20Go that way
47:49This is the bit I don't get
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47:55And to you at home
47:56Thank you for watching
47:57I'll see you very soon
47:58Take care
47:58Bye-bye
47:58Bye-bye
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