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00:00On today's show, you dated for two weeks, it was a casual thing, and you say, look, I admit, I
00:05also had a one-night stand with another guy two weeks before him.
00:09What if he's not the dead? I know he is the dead. But you can't know who he is. I
00:12didn't know that she'd slept with someone.
00:14Where were you when he was in hospital? Where were you when he started crawling? Where were you when he
00:18started walking? What's his favourite food? What does he like? What's his favourite bread? What do you know about him
00:22looking?
00:22The fact is that he only let me come out once a week. Where have you been, Martin? All these
00:25rumours, my name getting dragged through the dirt. Where have you been?
00:31Well, Nestle had a phone call up my sister, and apparently he's slept with his ex-missus twice.
00:41See a bully.
00:43Just controlling. Just too jealous.
00:47I'm not allowed.
00:48You're not allowed. You kept it quiet for three years.
00:50Yeah, because I didn't want her.
00:52Well, then, why did you do it with someone else?
00:54They're tripping the floor.
01:16Hello, my friends.
01:17Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:19Now, our first guest today, Gemma, is here for a DNA test on her one-year-old son, Reggie.
01:23She says she's 99% sure that brief ex-flame Martin is the father to her kid and says that
01:29he is utterly useless and takes, frankly, no interest in him at all.
01:33She says that Martin has done everything he can to get out of doing this DNA test and says that
01:36she's had enough today.
01:37She says she wishes Martin isn't the dad and claims that when she has the proof, she'll be telling him
01:43to either get out of the child's life with no contact or you better damn well step up.
01:48Gemma means business.
01:49She's on the car show that way.
01:59You all right? Welcome to the show.
02:00Everything all right?
02:01Yeah.
02:01If DNA proves she's the dad, you owe me a year's maintenance.
02:04Yeah.
02:05So you're 33, Martin's 28, right?
02:07And you have been very, very honest.
02:08You say, I met Martin in a pub.
02:11Yeah.
02:11On a drunken night out with friends.
02:13Yeah.
02:13Love at first sight?
02:14No.
02:17You admit that you were going through a rough time after a divorce.
02:20You were drinking a lot.
02:22You had sex on the first date.
02:24Yeah.
02:24You dirty birdie.
02:25Maybe, but knees must.
02:29You yoathed him for sex?
02:31No, no.
02:32Why didn't you have safe sex?
02:35I don't know.
02:37You only dated for two weeks.
02:38Yeah.
02:38It was a casual thing.
02:39And you say, look, I admit, I also had a one night stand with another guy two weeks before
02:44him.
02:45Yeah.
02:45I was at a real low.
02:47And then I want to ask you this question.
02:49How can you then be 100% sure that Martin is the father to your baby?
02:52I ask you that because we're doing a DNA test, not because I'm being unfair.
02:55Yeah.
02:55I just, I just, I know my body.
02:57I, you know, the dates, the dates don't 100% add up with Martin, but I know my body.
03:01Um, let's just, let's just talk about this relationship because you, it's quite interesting.
03:07You said to my team, I sort of look back and I'm a little bit embarrassed.
03:11Yeah.
03:11Very embarrassed.
03:12Why?
03:13Embarrassed that for that time you were at a point and you were sleeping.
03:16Well, there he is.
03:16He doesn't look that embarrassing.
03:18Oh, honestly, his face just warns me up.
03:22Really warns me up.
03:23You've told him he's the dad from the very start.
03:25But you've got to appreciate and understand that this guy, I do what I do, is going to have doubts.
03:32Yep.
03:32Why if the kid is how old?
03:34One last week.
03:36Reggie's one.
03:37Yeah.
03:37If Reggie's one, why hasn't this been done with respect to 11 and a half months ago?
03:41I said from day one that, you know, we need to get the DNA test.
03:43Did you?
03:44From day one, I've been trying to get it.
03:46Yes, I have Martin, you know I have.
03:48From day one, I've said that.
03:50And he's just tried to worm out of it.
03:51He just worms out of everything.
03:54Has he offered any help financially or emotionally or in any way?
03:57Originally, you know, he paid some towards the pram.
04:02You know, he said he was going to be there.
04:03Then he just wasn't.
04:05What if he's not the dad?
04:06I know he is the dad.
04:07But you can't know he is.
04:08I know he is.
04:09How?
04:09I just know he is.
04:10You definitely know.
04:11And do you think, don't get me wrong, I'm asking you a question.
04:14Man to a woman.
04:15Do you think he should have accepted that?
04:17You don't.
04:17You think he should have done something to facilitate getting that DNA test quicker.
04:21That's what you're saying.
04:21Yeah, I've said, you know, we'll save up.
04:23You can't just get money.
04:24I can't just pull money out of there now.
04:25We need to save up.
04:26He's one.
04:27You know, how long do you need to save up?
04:28Absolutely agree with that.
04:29If he is, what do you expect from him?
04:31I just want him to man up.
04:33You know, Reggie deserves, you know.
04:35It brings joy to my life every day and it just makes me angry that he doesn't care.
04:39You know, why?
04:40Why?
04:41You know, it's...
04:42Today is I give you the proof and then I want you to step up.
04:45And if you don't step up, you can do one.
04:47Yeah.
04:47I'm sick of trying.
04:48I've tried and I've tried.
04:49I believe you.
04:50I've tried so hard.
04:52What's it taken to come here today?
04:54It's for your kid and I know that.
04:56Yeah.
04:56And I can see it.
04:56My kid's going to watch this back.
04:58You know, I feel like I'm...
05:00You know, I've got four kids as well.
05:01I've got four children.
05:02Yeah.
05:03So I've come on this show now.
05:05I'm doing it for my boy.
05:06My boy is my world.
05:07And I really respect you for that.
05:08He needs to know the truth.
05:09And I mean...
05:09I absolutely respect you for that.
05:14There's your proof.
05:15Step up.
05:16I'll give you a chance.
05:17But if you don't, whatever, yeah?
05:18Really appreciate you being in.
05:19Martin's on the Jeremy Carl Show that way.
05:28You walk with that sort of, that gait like that.
05:32You look really sort of like, whoa.
05:33I do apologise about it.
05:35You walk like you don't give a damn if you want me to be honest.
05:37Maybe you don't...
05:37Oh, damn well, I do give a damn about it.
05:39Then why didn't you organise a DNA test 11 and a half months ago, pal?
05:42Well, funnily enough...
05:45Funnily enough, it was because, at the time,
05:48neither of us really had an idea that it was someone else's.
05:52What do you mean by that?
05:53As in, I didn't know that she'd slept with someone before me.
05:56When did you find that out?
05:57How old was the baby?
05:59I found out that she slept with someone else just after that,
06:02you know, she got pregnant.
06:04Well, that's rather destroyed what you just said.
06:06Well, no.
06:07When she got pregnant, she announced that at a low point in her life,
06:11after a divorce, she, not proud of it,
06:14had sex with two different men in an unsafe manner.
06:17How posh did that sound?
06:18Within two weeks.
06:19She said to you,
06:20you might have doubts, but I believe that you're the father.
06:23Yeah?
06:24Yeah.
06:24But that would have said to any other man I know,
06:27hmm, if there are doubts and I'm not prepared to accept a word,
06:30I'll get a DNA test.
06:32So I'll repeat the question.
06:34Reggie's one.
06:35Why have you not, in the last 11 and a half months,
06:37organised a DNA test?
06:39Answer it.
06:40Because in the past 11 and a half months, I thought that I was the dad.
06:44She never gave me a reason to believe that I wasn't.
06:47She told you when she got pregnant that you might not be the father.
06:51Oh, no, she didn't.
06:52But she said she'd slept with somebody else.
06:54When did you change your mind from thinking,
06:56I am, to I'm not?
06:58Oh, simply because she kept giving me the reason that,
07:01oh, I had a period in between him and me,
07:04and that she obviously couldn't have got pregnant from him.
07:07You're not making any sense to me.
07:09Well, it is sense, because...
07:10No, it's not.
07:10You should have done something a year ago, shouldn't you?
07:13Well, so should she.
07:14She should have asked me.
07:16Please speak.
07:16She says she has, and that you keep running away.
07:18Oh, no, she ain't.
07:19The last time that she spoke about it was a few months ago
07:23when she said about coming on here,
07:26and I didn't give her a response.
07:28Why?
07:29Why?
07:29Yeah.
07:30Well, because at the time, you know, I just didn't know what to do,
07:33which I will admit to.
07:34Do you ever know what to do?
07:36Yeah, of course I do.
07:37Then why didn't you, 11 and a half months ago,
07:38go for a DNA test to find out whether this kid was your son?
07:41Answer the question.
07:43Like I did.
07:43Like I said.
07:44I thought that he was my son.
07:49If I'm honest with you, and you haven't said anything as well,
07:52I can only, you know, I get certain facts, right?
07:55But I've sort of based what I do on this show on my gut instinct,
07:59and I don't buy you at all.
08:00You don't seem to be passionate.
08:02I've got no passion.
08:02No nothing.
08:03There's just nothing.
08:04No content whatsoever.
08:05Apart from the fact that I'll come round yours,
08:07I'll give you money for him, I'll buy his thing.
08:09Why would you give him money if you don't think of his father?
08:11I've never said that I didn't think of his father.
08:13Then why are we doing a DNA test?
08:15Well, because she thinks it.
08:17She's getting things from around our town,
08:19from people telling her,
08:20oh, Martin's not the dad.
08:22Well, she'd know, mate,
08:23because it came from inside her, you donut.
08:25Do you understand biology?
08:27She obviously doesn't know.
08:28She slept with two people.
08:29She obviously...
08:30So the minute she told you that,
08:32when she was pregnant,
08:33you had doubts?
08:34Yes or no?
08:35Well, no.
08:36Because I thought it was mine.
08:38So why haven't you been there, then?
08:40If you thought it was yours,
08:40why have you not been there?
08:42Where have you been?
08:43I have been there.
08:43Where have you been?
08:44Yeah, I've been there trying to see it, haven't I?
08:46Where have you been when he was teething?
08:48Where were you when he was in hospital?
08:49Where were you when he started crawling?
08:50Where were you when he started walking?
08:52Where were you?
08:52Well, the fact is...
08:53Where have you been?
08:54For the past few months since...
08:56What's his favourite...
08:57You know, what does he like?
08:58What's his favourite prayer for?
08:59What do you know about him living?
09:00The fact is that you only let me come out once a week.
09:02Why do people like you always find an excuse?
09:04Why don't you man up and admit you should...
09:06The thing is...
09:07You tell my team I love the bones of this boy.
09:09You haven't seen him, though.
09:10Have you provided for him?
09:12Yeah.
09:12Every week?
09:13Yeah.
09:13Why would you if you don't think he's yours?
09:16Simply because if he is mine,
09:18I want to take the responsibility for him.
09:20So you had doubts, yeah?
09:21Oh, yeah.
09:22When?
09:23Well, not that long ago, to be quite honest.
09:27That's obviously why we came on here.
09:29You told my team she's the money-grabbing whatever.
09:31She has my paydays on her calendar
09:33and she rings me the day before or the day after.
09:35Is that true?
09:35Oh, yeah.
09:36Quite right, too.
09:37Rings me a couple of days before.
09:38Maybe you should just have it on your calendar to pay the money,
09:40but then there's my other thing.
09:42I don't think you should pay for a kid that you don't think's yours
09:44and if you have doubts as to whether he's yours,
09:46why didn't you all...
09:47You're not going away from this.
09:48You could have done this DNA test.
09:50Do I buy you or do I buy her?
09:52This is a woman who's come on television and freely admitted
09:55that at a low point in her life,
09:57she had sex with two men within a two-week period.
09:59And as a result of that, she has some doubts,
10:02but as a woman, dates, how she intrinsically feels, right?
10:07She says it's yours, but there must have been doubts
10:10the minute you heard she'd slept with someone else.
10:14Well, kind of.
10:20I'm coming back with Gemma's best mate.
10:23DNA results don't go anywhere.
10:25Don't tell me to shush Martin.
10:26No, I should have seen him.
10:28You're being martyred.
10:29The DNA test results show that Martin...
10:36Once is a number... mistake.
10:38Number one is twice.
10:40What?
10:40I'm not slept with no one else!
10:42Pack him a bag, man!
10:43Oh, thank you!
10:44I'm not slept with no one else!
10:46I don't care if you slept with no one else.
10:48That's just a lie.
10:53It's Christmas!
10:56I'll give you Christmas, Brian!
10:59I'll give you Christmas, Brian!
11:00I dare you speak to myself!
11:02Shut up, you!
11:03That's why I'm here for this, not for me and you, David!
11:06Get a job, prove you're a dapper!
11:08You haven't left you!
11:09Why arrange to me, people?
11:10Because I'm not going to let you treat me like this!
11:14I'm not going to let you treat me like this!
11:15I'm not going to let you treat me like this!
11:17One of these three has failed the lie detector.
11:21One, three, four!
11:22Some type!
11:24I'm having them back in a minute!
11:29I've done some weird stuff on this show, but I can't marry you!
11:32It's a Jeremy Kyle show, mate!
11:34Come on!
11:35He got to the rear for Christmas!
11:37I want you to do this!
11:39You can marry him, it's a full house!
11:44So here it is!
11:47Merry Christmas!
11:49We will find you!
11:50Christmas, God, is on the next week on the Jeremy Kyle show!
11:53We will do this!
11:55We will do this!
11:55We will do this!
11:56We will do this!
11:57We will do this!
11:58We will do this!
11:59We will do this!
12:12Thank you, Judy!
12:13Welcome back!
12:13Before the break we met Gemma and Martin!
12:15Do you not understand what I mean, Martin?
12:16I mean, I think, look, all sorts of people perhaps can look back at stages of their lives and
12:20go, I wish I'd done this, but I just don't feel it!
12:23I don't think you bring it!
12:24I don't feel, as you quite rightly said, Gemma, that there's any passion!
12:29Oh, what, sorry?
12:29Any passion!
12:31Of course I have passion for him, otherwise I wouldn't go and see him!
12:34Did you ring the show to get a DNA test?
12:36Well, no, she did!
12:37But the thing is, I was going to save up for a DNA test, which I told her, I said,
12:43wait
12:44a couple of weeks...
12:45When did you decide to start saving for the DNA test?
12:48Well, I told her the other day, when she asked me about it!
12:54Who's your mate?
12:55Naomi!
12:56Sorry?
12:56Naomi!
12:57Naomi's on the Jeremy Carl show, she's coming that way!
13:06I am more of a father to that son than you are!
13:10Are you?
13:11Yeah, he's my godson!
13:13I think we'll get on famously, I just don't buy him, there's just nothing there that makes
13:17me...
13:18What is wrong with him?
13:19I ask myself, it's embarrassing, absolutely, I'm embarrassed for him, I'm just embarrassed!
13:24The fact is that, you know, neither of us actually know that is mine, and I'm still providing
13:29for him!
13:29That is mine!
13:30What is it?
13:32That!
13:32That is your son!
13:34When did you think it might not be...
13:36I'm going to keep going at this!
13:38I still provide for him, yeah!
13:41Why would you if you don't think it might be yours?
13:44Well, because I still care about him!
13:46When did you find out that it might not be yours?
13:49When she was pregnant, yes or no?
13:51Yes!
13:51So you had doubts from when she got pregnant?
13:54Well, not exactly when she got pregnant, but during it!
13:57And during it, when she popped it out, why didn't you then decide to get a DNA test?
14:02Because I didn't know when it was born!
14:06What did you know?
14:08I'm not allowed to because my epilepsy is too violent.
14:10OK.
14:12Fair enough.
14:12Well, that's one thing that she's always moaning about, saying, oh, get a job, get a job.
14:17And it's like, well, I'm not allowed to because the government has told me.
14:21I've never said that, I've never said that.
14:22Don't give me that...
14:22Don't need your money!
14:23You told me a few weeks ago, in your house, in your living room, when Reggie was not three foot
14:30away from us.
14:31And you were like, oh, why don't you get a job?
14:33Mum makes a guy epilepsy, and they've got a job.
14:36You were sat there saying, I can't afford this, I can't afford that.
14:38I said, well, get a job then.
14:38No, I didn't.
14:38I didn't say anything about it.
14:39Yes, she did.
14:40Yes, she did.
14:41Yes, she did.
14:42You're still in love with her?
14:44No.
14:45I've got my own girlfriend who's got her own child.
14:47Oh, so you're playing Happy Families, but you've avoided finding out whether that kid's yours, yeah?
14:52Exactly that.
14:52No.
14:53Could you have got a DNA test earlier?
14:56Yeah.
14:58You could have.
15:00Yeah?
15:01Oh, yes.
15:03The DNA test results show that Martin, of course, he's your biological child.
15:11I'm happy about that.
15:21You look ecstatic.
15:23I'd love to see you when you look sad.
15:25I am happy about it.
15:26Ooh.
15:27I'd love him to...
15:28I've got a son, ooh.
15:30There's no need to be like that.
15:31Why not?
15:32Men like you...
15:33I love him!
15:33Then prove it!
15:35I do prove it to her!
15:36When I go round hers, I'll give her money, I'll buy her and keep it going.
15:41Good.
15:41I gave her money to buy him new clothes and stuff.
15:43Good.
15:44Good.
15:45Should have done the DNA test earlier.
15:46I'll go round and I love her.
15:47I love that little lad.
15:48Good.
15:48Then prove it.
15:49Should have done it earlier.
15:50It's a dad.
15:51It's a dad.
15:52Should have done the DNA test earlier.
15:53Yes or no?
15:54Well, yeah.
15:55Right.
15:57Finally...
15:57I'll tell you what.
15:58I'll admit to that.
15:59I should have done it earlier.
16:00Fair play.
16:00Respect to you for that.
16:01That's all I'm asking you.
16:03And I'll admit, now I know that I am his dad, you know, I should have seen him much
16:09more than...
16:09What about the rest of your family who are saying, oh, he's not yours.
16:11Shush him in.
16:11I'm trying to explain.
16:12Don't tell me to shush Martin.
16:13No.
16:14I should have seen him.
16:15Where have you been, Martin?
16:16Where all these rumours, my name getting dragged through the dirt.
16:19Where have you been?
16:20Well, see...
16:21Coming to see my son.
16:23No, you haven't.
16:23No, you haven't.
16:24Well, obviously I have.
16:25Because you don't know who you are.
16:26If you walked in there now...
16:27He's one years old.
16:28How is he going to know?
16:29He knows who I am when I walk in the room.
16:32The funny thing is, you know, when I come in, you know, and I walk through your back door
16:36and he looks at me, he always smiles.
16:38He smiles at everybody.
16:41He's always smiling when I'm playing with him and everything.
16:43He always loves it when I'm playing with him.
16:45He loves it when anyone's playing with him, Martin.
16:47But he doesn't know who you are.
16:49Are you open to Martin being involved?
16:51I've tried so hard for him to be part of his life.
16:53You now have definitive proof and now is the moment in your life where you can and will be judged.
16:57Are you going to step up and be...
17:00I've stepped up anyway previously.
17:01Are you going to step up now and the two of you, despite what you might think of each other,
17:06are you going to sit with us and create a system whereby you see that child on a regular basis?
17:12Yes, of course provide, but not just emotionally.
17:15Not just about finances.
17:17It's about...
17:18It's about caring about him.
17:19Yeah.
17:19I do love him.
17:20Good.
17:21You know, because, you know, when I was going to see him, I thought, well, you know...
17:26When you look at him now, look at him grinning.
17:28What do you think?
17:28I know, he's beautiful.
17:29I love him to bits.
17:31Why don't you say sorry for doubting her then?
17:33Well, because I'm not sorry about her.
17:36It's him that I'm worried about.
17:37I know, but that's the mother of your child.
17:39It's him that I care about.
17:39But that's the mother of his child and you have to start getting on better to make it work for
17:43Reggie.
17:43That's the point.
17:44Well, we usually get on fine when I'm round.
17:46You know, we don't argue.
17:47You still in love with her?
17:49No.
17:49I've got my own girlfriend who I do love.
17:52Clear.
17:52Has she ever told you you should have done a DNA test sooner?
17:55No.
17:56Hmm.
17:57Right.
17:57What do you want from Martin?
17:58I just want him to step up and be a dad and just be there for him.
18:01Are you happy for us to work with you two to try and create a system whereby I see him
18:06on a living basis?
18:07I'm happy for it.
18:08I understand about your own son.
18:09I understand that and I accept that absolutely.
18:11It's got to be something that suits both of you that you're happy with as his constant carer.
18:15But he's a cute kid.
18:16All I'm going to say is, and you were big enough and, you know, man enough to admit,
18:20it just strikes me as a shame that for whatever reason the standoff for a year has meant that you
18:25and he have not been able to bond
18:27and that you and he, for whatever reasons, have not had that.
18:30It hasn't been like a whole year.
18:31But now...
18:32Since we were born, it was till February.
18:35Now we know, and I'm asking both of you, and we'll do it with Graham and the team,
18:38are you happy to sit and work out some access arrangements?
18:40Yeah.
18:41I'm happy about it.
18:42Perfectly glad about it.
18:43Really nice to meet you.
18:44Thank you for coming.
18:45Respect your honesty.
18:45Thank you very much as well, okay?
18:47You go that way.
18:48You go that way.
18:48Thanks a lot, darling.
18:53My next guest today, Leah, is here to confront her brother-in-law over his recent admission to cheating on
18:58her sister.
18:59Now Leah says that she is furious that Sister Julie's husband betrayed her like this
19:02and wants to know how many more lies this guy has told.
19:05She says that she thinks that Julie should walk away from cheating John as she deserves so much better
19:10and if he fails the test, she will be ending the relationship for her and taking her sister as far
19:16away as possible from him.
19:17Big day for them all.
19:18Leah, next on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
19:20That way.
19:26You alright?
19:28You alright?
19:29You alright?
19:29Yes.
19:30Now they told me that you're full of it and you've gone all quiet.
19:32What's the matter with you?
19:33You nervous?
19:33Yes.
19:34Don't be nervous, my darling.
19:35Welcome to the show.
19:37Actually, what's interesting is, don't be nervous, Julie is your younger, you're her younger sister.
19:43Your sister's husband, John.
19:45Let's talk about this.
19:45You need to speak up.
19:46You need to give me some fact here.
19:47Well, yesterday I had a phone call of my sister and apparently he's slept with me twice.
19:55You're saying this is totally unacceptable.
19:58Yeah.
19:58Why doesn't she kick him out?
19:59She didn't know for three years.
20:01Three whole years and he just kept it to himself.
20:03What does that make you think about him?
20:06I've changed my perspective of him since I found out yesterday because I actually liked him.
20:11He's 48 though and your sister's 22.
20:14He's a grown man, she's a young woman.
20:15She can go out and get anyone she wants.
20:18If John fails the lie detector, she needs to leave him.
20:21I will not allow her to be hurt again.
20:24Yes.
20:24But she's very weak.
20:26She's very nervous.
20:27She sat out the back.
20:28She says, I love him.
20:29Is that him?
20:30Yeah.
20:30He's possessive and he accuses her the whole time.
20:34Well, that's because he's guilty, isn't it?
20:36Everything she does is always got something to say about it.
20:38And actually, interestingly, you said he's only admitted to cheating because he knew he'd be caught out.
20:43Hey, come on.
20:45Come on.
20:48She was a sister.
20:49She had a lot going in her life.
20:52And he knew all this.
20:54He knew what she'd been with.
20:56And then he goes and does the exact same thing.
20:59And then constantly she can't do anything she wants.
21:02She's constantly in the house.
21:03See a bully.
21:05Just controlling.
21:06Just too jealous.
21:09People who are jealous usually have something to hide.
21:11Yeah.
21:11People who get wound up about, you know, what their partner's doing the whole time.
21:17You can tell by his face straight away.
21:19How long has he been with your sister?
21:22Four years now.
21:23Let me ask you a question.
21:24So, are they married?
21:25Yeah.
21:25Let me ask you a question.
21:26So, let's say he does a lie detector.
21:27He says it's not fair.
21:28You know, it was early on, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
21:31What if he fails?
21:32She's going to stay with him, isn't she?
21:33No, she's...
21:34Why not?
21:34I won't let her.
21:36Because...
21:40She's had it happen too many times.
21:44And once in a mistake.
21:46Never mind twice.
21:47A 48-year-old man married to a 22-year-old who only yesterday admitted
21:50because he knew he was going to be caught.
21:52He's had sex with two different people behind her back.
21:55He's nice, isn't he?
21:55John's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
22:04What did she say?
22:05I'm not a liar.
22:06You're not a liar?
22:07You kept it quiet for three years.
22:09Yeah, because I didn't want to hurt her.
22:11Well, then why did she do it with someone else then?
22:13She was on the star.
22:14What, twice?
22:16Do me a favour, you little horrible little man.
22:19You've been honoured her for years, have you?
22:20Controlling her, telling her what she can do and what she can't do.
22:23She doesn't want to go out.
22:24Yeah, because you played a good game.
22:26No.
22:26She's crushed.
22:28Why did you miss it yesterday then, John?
22:30It wasn't yesterday.
22:31When was it then?
22:32It died before.
22:39Talk to him, love.
22:40John.
22:40Seriously.
22:41On a serious level, yeah.
22:44Once in a number one mistake, number one twice.
22:46I know, and I've made that mistake once or twice.
22:49You didn't want to hurt her, but you put your s*** in someone else.
22:52Yeah, I know that.
22:53I admit that.
22:56I admit that.
23:00She can't do this.
23:01She's devastated.
23:02I admit what I've done.
23:05Oh, you devastated as well, John, are you?
23:07Yeah, by hurting her.
23:09Horrible man.
23:10Twice!
23:10Yeah, I know.
23:11And you only let it out yesterday because you knew you were going to be cock.
23:15You're no man at all, are you?
23:17I didn't want to show up on stage.
23:17Why would she control her for so long?
23:19I didn't want to show up on stage.
23:21Oh, so what you thought you'd do is sleep with two other people.
23:24That's what we're saying to her face.
23:25But she doesn't believe anything you say now, does she?
23:27That's why I took an eye detector.
23:28You're going to pass it?
23:29Yes.
23:29Over my dead body, you're going to pass it.
23:32Are you sure?
23:32You're going to pass the test.
23:33Yeah, you'll drop down.
23:34How many, I beg your pardon?
23:35You'll drop down.
23:36I will drop down dead if you pass.
23:38I'll bat with her in the results next.
23:40Come on.
23:40Talk to me.
23:41I'm not some little girl that you can control now.
23:45I'm not asking for forgiveness.
23:46Oh, shut up.
23:47No, I won't shut up.
23:48Yes, shut up.
23:49This is more marriage.
23:49Why then, why didn't you treat it the way it should have been treated?
23:55Since the start of your relationship with Julie, apart from the three incidents you've admitted to,
23:58have you passionately kissed anyone else?
24:00She said no.
24:00Why did you say no?
24:02I was just telling you.
24:13Thank you very much.
24:15Thank you very much.
24:15Welcome back before the break, Leah and John.
24:16Come on then.
24:18Come on.
24:19What's your justification?
24:20I ain't going there.
24:21Come on.
24:22Talk to me.
24:22It was the biggest mistake I made.
24:24I'm not some little girl that you can control now.
24:26I don't control her.
24:27It was twice.
24:28I've got struggles myself.
24:29Oh dear, have you?
24:30I bet you didn't think about that when you were.
24:31What was it you said?
24:32Let's not repeat it.
24:33Come on.
24:35So you've done a test to prove it's only twice I love you.
24:37Yeah?
24:37What's your sister called?
24:39Julia.
24:39Julia's on the Jeremy Carl Show that way.
24:43APPLAUSE
24:49It's difficult, right?
24:50Yeah.
24:52How did he tell you?
24:55After when you were sure I found you told me on the way home.
24:58Can I ask you a question?
24:59Why does the lie detector make any difference?
25:01He's cheated on you twice.
25:02So, what, you've forgiven the twice, have you?
25:04Honestly, I'm not going to forgive it, but...
25:06I'm not asking for forgiveness.
25:08Oh, shut up.
25:09It doesn't wash.
25:09No, I won't shut up.
25:10Yes, shut up.
25:10This is my marriage.
25:11Why then, why didn't you treat it the way it should have been treated then?
25:14It's my turn of a good man for my family.
25:16It doesn't wash my knee.
25:18What do you mean?
25:19You want to make it right, do you?
25:22What?
25:22What would you do if he's cheated more than twice?
25:25Please tell me you will leave here with your sister, have a devast...
25:28Divorce on him.
25:29Really?
25:29Yeah.
25:30I've already told him I ain't doing it no more.
25:33You're going to pass, are you?
25:34And if you fail, you're going to get divorced.
25:37You sure you're going to pass?
25:38Yeah.
25:43I've never ever wanted an envelope to say more in my life.
25:47Stop smiling.
25:52We asked John...
25:53Oh, by the way, note from the examiner.
25:55Pin back, you lugholes.
25:56At the start of the test, John admitted to having slept with another woman on two occasions
25:59and to having sex with another woman with Julie present.
26:04That was with me and him.
26:06He already knows that.
26:07Well, obviously he knew that because...
26:08I haven't cheated on him.
26:09Right.
26:10I'm 110%.
26:11So we know all about that.
26:12So you've cheated twice and you had a threesome.
26:14Yes?
26:15Basically, yeah.
26:17Since the start of your relationship with Julie, apart from the three incidents you've
26:20admitted to, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
26:22You said no.
26:22Why did you say no?
26:23Because I was 10, Troy.
26:24Well, this says you're a liar.
26:26Oh no, the test's wrong.
26:28Since the start of your relationship with Julie, apart from the three incidents you've admitted
26:31to, have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
26:32You said no.
26:33The test said you're a liar.
26:34In fact, I don't know what I've said.
26:36He lied on every single question, including sexual intercourse.
26:40All of those three accept those.
26:43Come on.
26:44I've stepped with no one else.
26:46No.
26:46Bye.
26:48Don't come back to my mum's.
26:49Don't come back anyway.
26:50You've slept with...
26:50You've slept with no one else.
26:53What are you doing now?
27:02Yes you have.
27:03You've failed the test.
27:04I haven't slept with no one else.
27:05Oh.
27:06Since I've been with Julie, I've not slept with no one else and she knows the two people.
27:10Julie, come here, darling.
27:10You're better than this.
27:11In fact, you're much better than I thought you'd be.
27:13She knows the two people.
27:13Look at her face.
27:14She knows.
27:15The two people I've been with.
27:16He's lied to you for three years.
27:17So what's he say here then?
27:18I don't know.
27:19I'll take another test.
27:20I'll prove it to you.
27:21You're not taking another test.
27:22Who have I slept with?
27:24Who have I slept with?
27:25You tell me.
27:26I'm with you 24-7.
27:27You tell me.
27:27Oh, here we go.
27:2824-7, that usual one.
27:30You tell me.
27:30I haven't.
27:31I've been with you 24-7, apparently.
27:34The threesome.
27:35Where have I been?
27:36I've been with you all the time.
27:37We put that into the questions and you've failed.
27:39Don't start digging.
27:41You're the control freak has accused her for you.
27:44All right.
27:44I haven't slept with no one else.
27:46We let you up twice the hour.
27:48Look at her.
27:49I haven't slept with no one else.
27:53Stop lying.
27:54I'm not lying.
27:55This is my life.
27:56That's what I came on in.
27:59Don't come on us.
28:00I'll swear if I'll catch you out of here.
28:02You'll see the front.
28:04I have no one.
28:05Looks like it's over then.
28:07Eh?
28:08You know you're a liar.
28:10No, I'm not a f***ing liar.
28:11I've been so alone.
28:13I don't swear.
28:14I don't believe you.
28:15I don't care what you believe.
28:17No, it doesn't matter what I believe.
28:19It matters what she believes.
28:20And you, you've been studying for three years
28:22and you've got caught out.
28:23And I'm going to make sure she divorces
28:25because you're worth nothing.
28:27I'm going to watch it.
28:28I really am.
28:29Nothing.
28:31Do you know what?
28:31Listen, let me tell you something.
28:32Done this a long, long time.
28:34And there's a lot of people like you,
28:35look at me,
28:36who in a half an hour, an hour,
28:39understandably, I'm not having a go,
28:40will go back.
28:40You are worth.
28:41I know you've had a terrible morning.
28:43You are worth more.
28:43I already knew,
28:44I already knew someone else was there
28:47in his life,
28:48apart from me as well.
28:50You're better than that.
28:51I know.
28:51And now he's rock bottom, right?
28:53I can't believe I'm here with you.
28:56You just found out your husband's a cheat.
28:59Just go away,
29:00I don't want to talk to you.
29:01This is...
29:01I don't want to leave you.
29:03Well, you did leave her.
29:05You're leaving me.
29:06I'm going home.
29:07I'm not slept with no one else.
29:08I'm begging.
29:09I haven't slept with no one else.
29:11I don't care if you slept with no one else.
29:14I don't care if you slept with no one else.
29:14That's just a lie.
29:15Because it says on that paper over there, okay?
29:18I haven't slept with no one else.
29:20It says I slept with someone else.
29:22I don't care.
29:22Yeah, you slept with someone else.
29:23I care because I want this relationship to work.
29:25Well, yeah.
29:26Because you lied.
29:28So, get over it and just go home.
29:31John, you couldn't hear me.
29:32Tell her the truth.
29:34I am.
29:34I haven't slept with no one else.
29:36Nobody believes you.
29:37I don't care what you think.
29:40I don't care what you think.
29:41I don't care what you think.
29:42Taxi for John.
29:45I had not slept with no one else.
29:46She doesn't want you anymore.
29:47And I'm going to make damn sure she stays strong.
29:50Yeah, I want you, Bill.
29:50But I haven't slept with no one else.
29:52She didn't really understand that.
29:53I haven't.
29:54It's the best time saying that because it's on the test.
29:57Julie, what do you want us to do?
29:59Do you want him gone?
30:00Yeah, I do.
30:00Could you remove it from the studio, please?
30:02Thanks very much, Dan.
30:03Just get him out.
30:04Go.
30:04Go.
30:05Get lost.
30:05Do one.
30:11I'm going to discover all the work he has.
30:13Listen.
30:14Just to find out that he has.
30:16You have.
30:16You have a great sister and a great family and right now he's rock bottom.
30:19Graham, can I borrow you a second?
30:20He'll back me up on this.
30:21This is the worst moment.
30:23This is the hardest time.
30:24But I promise you, you are better.
30:25I know it's, you know, words can sometimes be cheap, but you're better than being treated
30:28like that.
30:28It took him three years to admit.
30:30Look at me.
30:30He failed that spectacularly.
30:32I know it.
30:33And you know as well as I do, okay?
30:35I had a feeling that he had done it with more than one person.
30:38Through the dark times.
30:39We'll work with you.
30:40Say to yourself every day, I am worth more than that.
30:43You've got a good sister.
30:44I really appreciate it.
30:45Come here, you.
30:45You'll be all right?
30:46You all right?
30:47I've got the autograph.
30:51Marriage has just gone wrong.
30:52You can have, listen, you can, we'll do whatever we can to help you, right?
30:56But you're worth more and I want you to stay away from him, all right?
30:58There I go.
30:59Good luck.
31:00See you later.
31:00Give them a round of applause.
31:03Good luck to her.
31:04We'll let you know.
31:04I hope she stays strong because she certainly deserves more than him.
31:07Right, my next guest today, Jane, is here because she says she cannot survive another
31:10day watching her two brilliant and gifted daughters basically rotting away at the hands
31:14of heroin and crack.
31:15She says she's had no choice but to pawn all of her belongings to feed their habit and aside
31:19from watching them deteriorate every day, she also had to deal with demonised Atlanta.
31:23Basically, just a few days ago, violently assaulting her.
31:26But this lady says today is now or never.
31:29Jane's on The Jeremy Kyle Show.
31:30Give her a round of applause.
31:40I spoke to you backstage because I absolutely know that today is make or break.
31:45Now, people will watch this and they'll go, oh, another couple of people affected by drugs.
31:49But I want to do your story because if your story proves anything, it is that this can
31:54happen to any parent.
31:56Certainly.
31:57Two daughters, Atlanta 22, Georgia 27.
32:00Yes.
32:01I often blame myself.
32:02What could I have done?
32:03What do you mean by that?
32:04Why?
32:04Well, because they've turned out to be, you know, heroin addicts.
32:08I blame myself.
32:09I thought, is it something I did?
32:11Is it something that I've said?
32:12Is it someone that I introduced them to?
32:14Let's start with Atlanta, 22 years of age.
32:17She says, my boyfriend died three and a half years ago and the grief has set me into a
32:20lifestyle of heroin addiction.
32:22Yes.
32:23It's no excuse, is it?
32:24Well, it's no excuse really because we all have grief in our life and we have to find
32:28coping mechanisms.
32:31Atlanta has been an alcoholic since she was nine years old.
32:35Nine?
32:36Yes.
32:36Tell them what she did to you yesterday and lose the picture.
32:39We went into McDonald's and we found Georgia injecting herself in the toilet.
32:48That's what she found in the house there, gentlemen.
32:51I find that in the house every week.
32:53As I came out of McDonald's, I said to Atlanta, please, my darling, please let me help you.
32:59What can I do?
33:00What can I break?
33:01What did she do to you?
33:01She punched me up.
33:02She punched her in the face and stamped on her foot so badly she broke her toe, ladies
33:06and gentlemen.
33:07Right?
33:07So we've got...
33:09Lose that picture.
33:09I don't want to see the sweet, blond head, 22 year old, my life's a nightmare.
33:14Watch this, VT.
33:15Can you play this, Martin?
33:16Watch this, judo.
33:17Play it now.
33:19Mum.
33:21I'll get that film out of my face.
33:23Mum.
33:25Mum, please get away from me.
33:27Get away from me.
33:28I'm not very well.
33:30That's enough, Martin.
33:31That's enough, Martin.
33:32How long's this...
33:32That's enough, Martin.
33:34How long's that been going on for?
33:36How long?
33:37Well, to be quite honest, I didn't really realise that she was a heroin addict until about
33:42a year ago.
33:43You knew she was an alcoholic from the age of nine.
33:45Yeah, and I went to social services.
33:46Why didn't you do something about it seven years ago?
33:48It's not all your responsibility, and I think they play on that.
33:51I've tried everything.
33:52Today is really...
33:53Make or break.
33:55Are you hard?
33:56Well, the thing is, I can't have them in my house anymore.
34:00Is that the other one on the right?
34:01Yeah.
34:0227.
34:03What drugs is she on?
34:04She's on heroin and crack.
34:05That's better by the minute, Liz.
34:06Well, we'll start with Atlanta, 22.
34:08She says, my boyfriend died.
34:10I went to find my sister.
34:11She got me and heroin.
34:12My life's out of control.
34:13My mother doesn't understand.
34:14I've come to the Jeremy Kyle show, she says, for help.
34:17She'll have to damn well earn it.
34:18Atlanta's next that way.
34:28Hello, Jeremy.
34:29Funny, is it?
34:30No, it isn't funny, Mum.
34:31We've both had arguments.
34:33We...
34:33It isn't.
34:34Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
34:35Don't try it.
34:35Try it with me.
34:36Because I'm the man that might or might not help you.
34:38Not that gullible person.
34:40Tell me what you did to her two days ago.
34:42We haven't beaten her up, Jeremy.
34:44You spat in her face, didn't you?
34:47I restrained her.
34:47I didn't spit in your face, Mum.
34:48I restrained you from...
34:49Darling, you've...
34:50Listen, since you were nine years old, you've been coming back drunk, right?
34:55Yeah, I know I've been...
34:55You've been falling on the floor.
34:57You've been calling me heartbreak and stress, right?
35:01Yeah, I know I have.
35:01The only reason why I've put up with it is because I love you to bits unconditionally.
35:07You're the baby I held to my breasts.
35:09You've done everything.
35:10You've...
35:11You've gone...
35:12I've come to the streets to you.
35:14You've turned away.
35:15Look, what happened when I came looking for you in the streets?
35:18You said, I don't want to talk to you, Mum.
35:20And gave me the old...
35:21Yeah, but the drug takes over you, Mum.
35:22It isn't even me anymore.
35:24You know?
35:24Why are you doing something about it, then?
35:26Why would she look straight at your mother?
35:27Let me get this exactly right.
35:28You're 22, yeah?
35:29Yeah.
35:30When your boyfriend died three years ago, that's quite tragic.
35:32But not everybody turns to heroin.
35:33Why did you?
35:33I don't know.
35:34I couldn't handle all my emotions at the time, I suppose.
35:36Okay, so basically what you do is you live in your mother's house.
35:39You do whatever you can to get your fix on drugs.
35:41You abuse and bully people.
35:43You've been to prison.
35:44You live on the streets occasionally.
35:46And somehow that's your mother's fault, is it?
35:48I never blame nothing for my mother.
35:49Have I ever...
35:50Have I ever blamed anything for my mother?
35:51Don't look at her.
35:51Look at me, because she's weak and she'll bend over backwards.
35:56I've never blamed anything for my mother.
36:03And I know exactly what this morning's all about.
36:06I'm just going to go out there like that.
36:07Well, here's the thing that I don't agree with, okay?
36:09You want our help when you come through that door, right?
36:12You can go, oh, I want your...
36:13You have to understand what you've done, the consequences of your actions.
36:17Believe me, I know what my consequences are.
36:20I'll tell you someone else as well.
36:22I'll tell you someone else that nearly made me feel
36:23that I didn't want to have you on this show.
36:25You've been doing drugs all morning, haven't you?
36:27Haven't you?
36:27How else am I...
36:28Have you been doing drugs all morning?
36:31That's why you're all fine, isn't it?
36:32Because you know what's coming.
36:34That's why you've been taking them all morning.
36:35What have you been taking?
36:37Whatever, what have you taken?
36:38Be about honesty, wouldn't it?
36:40Be telling me that you actually want to do something about it,
36:41but you don't want to do anything about it.
36:42So why should I help you?
36:44Because she will do anything for you.
36:46I don't have to.
36:47Why would you take drugs all morning?
36:48Because I couldn't come on the show with Joran, Jeremy.
36:53You unfair to your mother?
36:55Yeah, I'm vile to my mum.
36:59If we are given this opportunity,
37:01I could...
37:03Well, my word probably means nothing to you.
37:05But I can guarantee you that we would not throw it back in your place.
37:11Well, I could only send one anyway.
37:14So who am I going to send, Mum?
37:15Who's worse?
37:20They're both to say...
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38:07Is it her fault?
38:08No, I've never blamed anything on my mother.
38:10Have you taken advantage of your mother?
38:12Of course, I have taken advantage of your mother.
38:13Well, that's the least honest.
38:14I've taken advantage of everybody that has come across me.
38:17What about your sister?
38:19You said that when your boyfriend died, you went to visit her and somehow...
38:23I've never really took advantage from my sister.
38:24Get me a chair, please.
38:25George of the sisters on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
38:36Sisterly love and a blood bond and what you do is get her on heroin.
38:38That's nice.
38:38She never got me on nothing.
38:40Lan, stop being so defensive.
38:41You're being really rude.
38:43No, she's not.
38:43She's being honest.
38:44What about you?
38:4427 years of age.
38:45Why didn't you do something about stopping her taking it?
38:47She said she came to Hackney when her boyfriend died.
38:49She found you and the next minute she was on heroin.
38:51Have you been to prison?
38:52No.
38:52Yeah.
38:52I was in prison when she came to...
38:54What did you get a prison for?
38:55Shoplifting.
38:56God, you must be proud.
38:57I'm not Jeremy.
38:58Have you been to prison?
38:59Yeah.
38:59Why?
39:00What's wrong with you people?
39:02Have you ever watched this?
39:03You two had a good upbringing, didn't you?
39:05Yeah.
39:06How bad's your addiction?
39:08Bad.
39:09Tell me.
39:09Give me a day.
39:11Um, I've cut it down like the last couple of weeks but normally I wake up about nine,
39:17go and earn myself 30 pounds.
39:19How?
39:20Begging, shoplifting.
39:21Begging.
39:22A-class student to A-class drugs, yeah?
39:24Yeah.
39:25When are you going to work?
39:26I worked up, I broke my back three years ago.
39:29I know that's not an excuse but I did always work before that.
39:33It's hard with an addiction, Jeremy, to work.
39:36You unfair to your mother?
39:37Yeah, I'm vile to my mum.
39:39You've beaten her up?
39:40I've never hit her.
39:41Mentally.
39:42Mentally, we tortured her.
39:43Mental torture.
39:44You've beaten me up mentally because...
39:46We've all beaten each other up, Mum.
39:48No, no, no, she doesn't take drugs.
39:49No, she doesn't land.
39:50She hasn't...
39:51What's your grandmother called?
39:52Shirley.
39:53Have a listen to this.
39:54Play it please, Mark.
39:54Both girls had a good start.
39:57Georgia was always an intelligent child, thought to achieve great things.
40:02Atlanta, a beautiful child, a lovely nature.
40:05This will be their last chance to get over their addiction
40:08and to kick this horrible habit.
40:10Please help them.
40:12Their mother has tried to help them and she's at her wit's end.
40:16Atlanta knows how much I want her to have a good life.
40:24I just want them back to...
40:25I want them to be normal.
40:26I don't want them to wake up every morning and fall on the floor like demonic demons.
40:33I want them to go back to education or just to be happy and normal.
40:38That's all I want for my daughters.
40:40That's all I want for myself.
40:41Not fame or fortune, just to be normal.
40:44You were in college, weren't you?
40:46You were a good student, weren't you?
40:47Mm-hmm.
40:48Do you want to be your tutor?
40:49Do you want to be your lecturer?
40:49I wanted to be a nurse.
40:52This is your lecturer.
40:53Watch this.
40:54This is George's lecturer.
40:56Watch this.
40:56Bright, bubbly, enthusiastic, full of energy, a wonderful smile, a joy to be around.
41:03Or, at least she was.
41:05And that's why it's so heartbreaking to see what's happened to her.
41:10Atlanta, you need help.
41:12Not just for you, because you've got so much to offer to everyone and it mustn't be wasted.
41:19So, I really hope that you get the help you need.
41:22Good luck.
41:23Thank you, Martin.
41:24Thank you, Martin.
41:26A lot of people concerned for you, love.
41:28Yeah.
41:29Why haven't you done this earlier?
41:32I've been just...
41:33I've never really known how to.
41:35Why should...
41:35I'll tell you what, because your mum's a nice person and I'm not.
41:38Why should I help you?
41:39Go on, you tell me.
41:40Why?
41:41Because I'm...
41:43I can't be this person anymore.
41:44I want to be a person of society.
41:45No, but why should I help you?
41:46Why do I owe you anything?
41:48You don't.
41:50Is that it?
41:51You don't owe me anything, but I really want this opportunity, Jemmy, to be able to change.
41:55What opportunity?
41:56What do you want?
41:56What do you want from me?
41:57Just to be able to change, to become a new person, a member of society, get a job.
42:03Oh, but do you know the problem I've got?
42:05Can you get that chair a minute?
42:07Can you get Graham on the show a minute, please?
42:08Get Graham out here.
42:09Give him a round of applause.
42:12Graham.
42:12Graham.
42:13I want to say this.
42:14I want to say this.
42:15I know...
42:16I know you're a much nicer man than me.
42:18You'll have spoken to these people, but here's my real issue.
42:21Not just with today, with the whole thing.
42:22We've talked about it privately and we'll talk about it publicly.
42:25We can send these two people to rehab today and thank you to all of our network and all the
42:28work you're doing.
42:29And he will tell you and I will tell you, this is all well and good.
42:31So many throw it back in our faces and I'm getting to the point.
42:35I am getting to the point where I don't even want to do this anymore.
42:38I'm only doing this because of her.
42:39I can understand that, Jeremy.
42:41But if we are given this opportunity, I could...
42:45Well, my word probably means nothing to you right about now,
42:48but I can guarantee you that we would not throw it back in your face.
42:50Well, I can only send one anyway.
42:52So who am I going to send, Mum?
42:53Who's worse?
42:55They're both the same.
42:59But she's sent...
43:00I'd rather you sent her out.
43:02I couldn't choose between one.
43:04I couldn't choose.
43:04Because I love them equally.
43:06I'll send you both then.
43:07Oh, bless you.
43:14I'll go further.
43:15Who knows?
43:16For 12 weeks, if you leave, if you show any sign of anything, she's chucking you out.
43:21So this is it, ladies.
43:23Seriously, Graham.
43:24Right?
43:24Absolutely.
43:25And you have to see it through.
43:27Get to that 12-week point because it's so important.
43:30It's not just about getting clean.
43:32And if you break the rules in rehab, they will discharge you.
43:36Absolutely.
43:37Because they haven't just got a duty of care to you two guys, okay?
43:41They've got a duty of care to everyone in that rehab, and you can't sabotage their recovery either.
43:48Okay?
43:48So it's everybody working together.
43:50You've got to have a great deal of support.
43:52This is a time that you engage with that, and move your lives forward.
43:56No, really.
44:02Who gives a right?
44:03I'm going to say this as well, though.
44:04I think you'll go.
44:05I just don't think you'll do it.
44:07Well, I'm going to prove you wrong.
44:08Why?
44:08How?
44:09You're high now.
44:10You're only saying it because you're...
44:11She's high now.
44:12I want you to prove him wrong.
44:14I absolutely 100% want you to prove him wrong.
44:17They are two cars.
44:18Two separate cars.
44:19Two separate rehabs.
44:20Loads of money.
44:20It's worth it, right?
44:21But I'm telling you now, I swear to God, more than anything, you get one more hit,
44:26you cause any grief, they will discharge you, and your mother will wash your hands of you.
44:30You don't believe me, do you, Atlanta?
44:32Yeah, no, I do.
44:32Because you played it very, very sweet this morning, but we know what you're like.
44:36You're going to try and get one more hit before you go, aren't you?
44:38No, I'm not.
44:38You sure?
44:39I'm sure.
44:40So what, you'll come back here in three months, will you?
44:41I will.
44:42So if I offered you drugs right now, never been said before on television, you wouldn't take it?
44:46No, I wouldn't.
44:46You sure about that?
44:46I'm sure.
44:49You can change your life.
44:51I want to.
44:52Do you want to do it?
44:53Yeah.
44:54Because here's the reality if you don't.
44:56You're out.
44:57It's not just that, darling.
44:58One of them's going to die.
44:59One of them's going to die.
45:00All four of you this way.
45:01Come now.
45:01Come with me.
45:03Come on.
45:1112 weeks is a long time.
45:1312 weeks is a long time.
45:16Scary?
45:18I'm scared.
45:18I'm excited.
45:19It wasn't scary.
45:19I'd be worried.
45:21Good answer.
45:22But the thing is, you lot, you've got it there.
45:24You've got the ability to do this.
45:27Yeah.
45:27She don't know what to do your mum anymore.
45:29I don't know.
45:29Listen, you can talk the talk with me and you can throw it back in my face.
45:32You want me to be honest, right?
45:33Throw it back in my face.
45:34You'll get a bit angry.
45:35I'll get all my life and give it to somebody else.
45:36But this is, right?
45:38This is different.
45:39You ain't going to get these anywhere.
45:41Trust me.
45:42No.
45:44And this man on the left, you should be on your knees saying thank you to Perry Claiming
45:47because this man is absolutely...
45:49See you later.
45:49Perry as ever.
45:51God bless you.
45:52Nice to see you.
45:53Georgia.
45:53Georgia, nice to meet you.
45:54Nice to meet you.
45:55Nice to meet you.
45:56Hello.
45:58This is their mother as well.
45:59This is Perry Claiming Project.
46:00Graham said two separate units here.
46:02Tell us more.
46:03Yeah.
46:03What we're going to do is we're going to do two of the PCP centres.
46:07So one of you is going to go to the Perry Claiming Project in Leicester for 12 weeks residential
46:13rehab and detox.
46:15And the other one is going to go to PCP Luton for the same, 12 weeks residential.
46:22This is the best opportunity you will ever have.
46:24You will not have any contact for weeks.
46:27You will go to separate PCP things.
46:29That is your mother who deserves three months of peace and quiet and a chance to go away.
46:33Now, listen.
46:34Do you want to do this?
46:35Yes, I do.
46:35Do you promise?
46:36You?
46:37Myself, definitely.
46:37Say goodbye to your mother.
46:39Perry as ever.
46:40One in each car, alright?
46:41I want you to go as a child.
46:42You can come out as a mother.
46:44One of you go in each car, yeah?
46:48Atlanta, you're in this car.
46:49Come here.
46:50You alright?
46:50Going to do it?
46:51Okay.
46:52We're going.
46:52Get in the car, Perry.
46:54Okay.
46:55Good luck, darling.
46:56Perry, you jump in this one, yeah?
46:58Yeah.
46:59John, thank you.
47:00Atlanta, good luck.
47:02Good luck.
47:02It's really months.
47:03Don't let me down, promise?
47:04Go.
47:06Good luck.
47:07Thanks, John.
47:09You okay?
47:12Yeah, thank you, Jeremy.
47:13Come here.
47:14Go and do it and make it work.
47:16Say goodbye to your mum, alright?
47:17I love you, Mum.
47:18Come out as an adult, alright?
47:20Thank you very much indeed.
47:22Go.
47:23Thank you very much.
47:23Go.
47:23Thank you very much, go.
47:24Good luck, sweetheart.
47:26I love you, Mum.
47:27I love you, you're all my heart.
47:31I'm so thankful.
47:33Come here, come here, come here.
47:33When she was dying in hospital, she kept saying, was Jeremy Carr's going to help me,
47:38mummy?
47:38And I just said, Jeremy, and she kept saying, is Jeremy here?
47:42And I said, yes, Jeremy's here.
47:43And it's, it was, she loves you to be at Atlanta.
47:46It's him.
47:47And I know.
47:48Thank you, Ray.
47:49He does it all.
47:50I know.
47:50I know you do.
47:51What do you think?
47:52Seriously, Jack?
47:53What do you think?
47:54Do you think they'll do it?
47:54I have every hope.
47:55I always have hope, okay?
47:57We all love you.
47:57We all love Jeremy.
47:58We admire you greatly.
48:00Especially Atlanta.
48:01She's your biggest fan.
48:02But you know what?
48:03It's down to them, isn't it?
48:04I know, I know.
48:05We'll keep an eye on this.
48:06Melissa will support you as well.
48:07God bless you, alright?
48:08God bless you.
48:08Give her a round of applause, those gentlemen.
48:10Thank you very much.
48:11So the thing is, those gentlemen, give them a chance of a lifetime.
48:14You know, fingers crossed, we'll let you know.
48:16I hope they can change their lives.
48:18I really do.
48:18I am for this morning out of time.
48:19Don't forget, if you want to be on this show, you need my help.
48:21You can visit my website.
48:22The details are on screen.
48:23To my guests, to this audience, and to you at home, thanks for watching.
48:26I'll see you very soon.
48:27Take care.
48:27Bye-bye for now.
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