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00:00On today's show.
00:01You say I love my kids.
00:03If they are my kids, I'd want to be on the birth certificate.
00:05I want access.
00:07I'm not violent.
00:08This is just excuses by her to push me out of the child's life, yeah?
00:16You've never fed them a bottle.
00:19You've never whintered them.
00:20Who's there?
00:21Who's there?
00:22Who's there?
00:22I've done everything.
00:24You denied that little girl who called you daddy.
00:27She abandoned me when I was five years of age.
00:29She puts men before her kids.
00:31Yes, she did.
00:34Your flesh and blood had you abandoned her, didn't you?
00:38No, I didn't.
00:39You used to treat me as a punch bag.
00:42I'm turning apart your backside and shut up.
00:49So you think she was cheating and that's why you have DNA doubts,
00:53but how does Chris come into the equation?
00:55Where have you been for the past two and a half months, eh?
00:57That is very awful out of you.
00:59He's got me.
01:00He calls me daddy.
01:09I'm going to die.
01:11I'm going to die.
01:17I'm going to die.
01:21I'm going to die.
01:27Nightmare ex-Stacey.
01:29His words, not mine.
01:30He says that after their relationship ended 18 months ago,
01:32she has done everything in her power to stop him from seeing his kids.
01:35And he has says he has no idea at all why.
01:37However, recently, this ban on contact has left Jamie questioning
01:41whether Stacey was actually doing the dirty on him behind his back.
01:44And he now fears his youngest daughter might not actually be here today.
01:47He says,
01:48I want DNA and I want to tell Stacey,
01:50let me be a part of my children's lives.
01:54This is the most important thing to me.
01:57Jamie's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
02:05Nice to meet you, my friend.
02:06Nice to meet you, too.
02:07Welcome to the show.
02:08Jamie, 25.
02:09You were with Stacey for five years.
02:11That's right.
02:12That's right.
02:12So, quite a young relationship.
02:14She broke up 18 months ago.
02:15Two kids, recently done a DNA on the eldest one.
02:18She's yours today.
02:19It's about the youngest one on Access.
02:21Let's talk about the relationship.
02:23What was it like?
02:24It was all right.
02:24It was brilliant at the beginning when we first met each other.
02:27Do you know what I mean?
02:27Well, it's always good if you like somebody at the beginning.
02:29Well, when we got together on that, like, it was brilliant.
02:31And after, like, two years of being together,
02:32she conceived my first child.
02:34It was like one of them magical moments when you get told
02:36that you're going to be a dad.
02:37It was brilliant.
02:37Do you know what I mean?
02:38I just, I turned my life around completely.
02:40Second child?
02:41Well, that was a bit later.
02:42And when I was working, and we were kind of splitting up.
02:46We had breaks and that on and off.
02:47Why?
02:48I was getting, like, I don't know.
02:50It must have been getting to her and myself, like, do you know what I mean?
02:52Do you know what I don't understand about this story?
02:54You had a kid.
02:55There were doubts about both.
02:56You've done the DNA on the eldest.
02:58That's done.
02:59We're doing DNA.
03:00You're on neither of the children's birth certificates.
03:03Why?
03:03I don't understand that at all.
03:04Never have.
03:05I didn't understand that myself.
03:06I was supposed to go and register my child with her on the so-and-so day.
03:10But when it come to that day, she'd already registered.
03:12She went up to the Civic with her mother and registered before I went with her.
03:15You talked about the number of breakups.
03:18Certainly, you said that that was probably around the time of the youngest one being conceived,
03:23which gives you doubts.
03:24That's right.
03:25Why?
03:26Because I had a letter stating that Nikita wasn't mine and that Leah wasn't mine.
03:30I had a letter coming through the door.
03:33She didn't want to have...
03:35Did she not...
03:35I had an injunction put on me.
03:36I had an injunction put on me.
03:37Why did you have an injunction put on me?
03:38Because she said I was violent and that.
03:40But at the time, it's because...
03:41Were you?
03:42Well, no.
03:42Why would they allow that for a year then?
03:44Exactly.
03:44That's what I'm saying.
03:45The only reason she got the injunction, to my knowledge, for now, is because she was
03:48seeing somebody...
03:49And I have to say as well...
03:50...and she didn't want me to find out that she was going with him.
03:51Never convicted of violence.
03:53Never anything.
03:53And yet, they upheld an injunction for 12 months, which said he could...
03:56Just asking.
03:58You say the mother's a problem as well.
04:00She's an interfering mayor.
04:01She's always in Stacey's ear.
04:03But you say, I love my kids.
04:04If they are my kids, I'd want to be on the birth certificate.
04:07I want access.
04:08I'm not violent.
04:09This is just excuses by her to push me out of the child's life.
04:14Yeah?
04:14You violent...
04:15Let's get her out.
04:16Let's get Stacey on the Jeremy Kyle show.
04:18That way!
04:26Oh, you can sit there and say that about me.
04:29Say what?
04:30He was abusive.
04:31And don't say he wasn't, because you was.
04:33No, I wasn't.
04:33Yes, you was.
04:34If I was so abusive...
04:35Yes, you was.
04:35If I was so abusive, why stay with me for so long?
04:37He what?
04:38He what?
04:38He brought my arm in three places.
04:40Did you go to the police?
04:41No.
04:41Why?
04:41Because I was scared of him.
04:42You broke her arm?
04:43She's lying.
04:44She's lying.
04:44Never mind.
04:45If I was such a violent person, how could you be sending me these things?
04:48Saying, hey, I'm such a good dad, and I'm a loving husband, and loving boyfriend.
04:51If I was that bad.
04:52He's a charmer, you say.
04:53He could fool anybody.
04:54Yeah, he'd make you believe the sky is green.
04:57Listen, I want you for the kids.
04:58Whatever happened in our relationship happened in our relationship.
05:01You can't stop me from seeing the kids.
05:02Listen, you're abusive.
05:02You could do anything to my kids.
05:04Why would you let me take them out on a Saturday night?
05:05You're aggressive.
05:06You're wrecked my relationship.
05:08The only time I'm aggressive, the only time I get angry.
05:11You can't change a book.
05:13Don't take them out.
05:15You've never took them out.
05:16Yes, I do.
05:16No, you haven't.
05:18You've been with me all the while.
05:19You've been with me all the while.
05:21I took them to the city, and I've sent them the other week.
05:22You get your chance.
05:23Go back in.
05:24Can I ask you a question?
05:25He doesn't think I was that violent.
05:26He wouldn't let me take them, would you?
05:27You know, after the injunction, which you took out, here's the next question.
05:31You know, you have a kid with somebody who allegedly, and I have to say that, broke your arm in
05:35three places because they've got no fact.
05:37Yeah.
05:37After the injunction ends, you allow him to see his kids.
05:41How the hell does that work?
05:41He psychologically and mentally messed me out.
05:44He's always drugged up, and he's not safe around my kids.
05:47No, he's not.
05:48He used to say, oh, I love you, and you're so beautiful.
05:51I have not.
05:52I've done no drugs ever since we had the kids.
05:53And then next minute.
05:54Until you had that junction, you know what I'm doing there?
05:56And then next minute, he'll say, you're fat and ugly, and you ain't worth nothing.
05:59And he'd kick me, he'd beat me up when I was five months pregnant.
06:02Why are we doing DNA, babe?
06:04Because, again, I'm in a story where...
06:05Because my daughter, my youngest daughter, has got blue eyes.
06:08He's got brown, I've got hazel.
06:10And she can't even look at him.
06:11Can you, can you, Jal?
06:12You can't even look at that girl.
06:14Is this your mum?
06:14I treat them both the same.
06:16Lizzie Lynn's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
06:18No, she's there, man.
06:26You can't look at that girl when you come from my house.
06:29What do you...
06:29I always have...
06:30You've got picky all the world.
06:31You know you don't.
06:31I treat them both the same, Lynn.
06:33You know I treat them both the same.
06:34No, you don't.
06:34No, you don't, Jane.
06:35And don't you, Deb.
06:37I've heard a lot about you.
06:38What are you on the boot?
06:38I've heard a lot about you.
06:39What are you on the boot?
06:40And I do not want to hear any more about you.
06:41What do you mean?
06:42Don't sit there, boys.
06:43What do you mean?
06:43Don't even go there, Jane.
06:45Don't even go there.
06:47What do you mean?
06:47You tell, go on.
06:49Lynn, welcome to the show.
06:51He is 100% the dad.
06:52If he is, my darling, here's the question.
06:54Why is his name not on the birth certificate?
06:57He's the father of both.
06:58What?
06:58He threatened to kidnap Martha.
06:59He threatened to kidnap Martha.
07:01One at a time.
07:02Why didn't she go to the police then, Lynn?
07:05Because she was...
07:06Apparently, she was frightened of him.
07:07I'm not going to do nothing to Jeff.
07:08Are you frightened of him?
07:10Yeah, I am.
07:10Am I frightened of him?
07:12No, I'm not frightened of him.
07:13Is he a good dad?
07:14He could have been if he was off the drugs.
07:16I ain't on drugs, can you?
07:18No, I'm not on drugs.
07:19And doing what you're doing.
07:20What do you mean?
07:21I'm at work, I work.
07:22I take the kids out all the time.
07:23Every time you ask me for money for the kids, I always give you what you want.
07:26Jay, you could have been a good dad.
07:28You could have been a good dad.
07:29It could be.
07:30But he wasn't a good partner.
07:32I said that just because I'm not a good partner, don't mean to say I'm a bad dad.
07:35Yeah, and I totally agree with you.
07:36So you weren't a good partner?
07:38Listen, before we had kids, there might have been a bit of violence.
07:42It wasn't volatile violence, it was on both parts.
07:44It could have been a bit violent.
07:46What does that mean?
07:46No, no, not violent.
07:47Okay, then, so did I put a pillow around my pillowcase around my hand?
07:51He used to put a pillowcase around his hand and punch me so he didn't bruise me.
07:55You're lying?
07:55He punched my head.
07:56I've got pictures on my phone.
07:57You're lying?
07:57You could have put them pictures on their side.
08:00No, you've done this to me.
08:01You messed me up.
08:02You just admitted that there was violence.
08:05There was violence.
08:06It's not volatile violence.
08:07Did you wrap a pillow around your hand?
08:08No, that's a lie.
08:09That's a total of a lie.
08:10You don't need something to prove.
08:11The fool did you break her arm?
08:12No, that's a lie.
08:12That's a lie as well.
08:13But then you see my problem is.
08:14Listen, I'm a brilliant father at the end of the day.
08:17You liar.
08:17You'm a lawyer?
08:18You're telling me you never brought my arm in three places?
08:20He even taught me to lie afterwards.
08:21Can I ask you this?
08:22Are you stopping him from seeing his kids because I broke your arm?
08:26No.
08:26Oh, because he calls you a name in front of a schoolman?
08:29No, he's a beautiful kid there.
08:31Let me just tell you exactly the story.
08:31No, let me speak.
08:33Hang on, please.
08:33Let me just tell you.
08:34I went to school.
08:34I picked up my daughters.
08:35I picked up my daughters from school.
08:36He won't even change her at their bum.
08:37He's never changed their bum.
08:38I can't do it.
08:39You call yourself a dad.
08:40You've never changed their bum.
08:41You're not a bit, dad.
08:42It's my turn, yeah?
08:43I can't do it.
08:43You've never changed their bum.
08:45You've never fed them a bottle.
08:46You've never winded them.
08:47You've never stayed up at night crying.
08:49I've never fed them a bottle, Jeremy.
08:50I've never fed them a bottle.
08:51I've never fed them a bottle.
08:52I've never fed them a bottle.
08:53I've never fed them a bottle.
08:53I've been there from day one.
08:54Me.
08:54I've been there from day one.
08:55I've done everything.
08:56I've been there from day one.
08:58Because you stopped me from seeing them.
08:58I am.
08:59Not you.
09:00I'm always...
09:00That's what you always do.
09:02I am not putting on the tears.
09:02Do you think I'm going to call it on my own TV?
09:04It takes more to be a dad.
09:04And it comes to my kids.
09:05I don't care.
09:06Jay.
09:07Huh?
09:07Jay.
09:08It takes more to be a dad than throw him money at him.
09:09Wait till you get your DNA.
09:11Wait till you get your DNA.
09:12A thousand percent Leah's yours.
09:13So stop me seeing them.
09:14And then stop...
09:15Why would you say that there wasn't...
09:16I'm speaking...
09:17Well, you're never going to let him see them then, yeah?
09:20Me, you, nobody else.
09:22You're going to stop him, yeah?
09:23Yeah.
09:24Can I ask you a question?
09:25We're going to do the DNA.
09:26Yeah.
09:27You've made some pretty shocking allegations.
09:29He said there was violence...
09:30That was the truth.
09:31Minimal violence on both sides at the beginning.
09:33No, I wasn't...
09:33Whatever the truth is, if you're me during this ad break,
09:36you're thinking, if she's right and he broke her arm in three places,
09:41if she's right and he's done all of these things,
09:43then he shouldn't see the kids.
09:45But then I have to balance it in my mind.
09:47Hear me out.
09:47You went on another kid.
09:49You took out an injunction.
09:50He's seen the kids since then.
09:52Yeah.
09:52And you said yourself, as did your mother,
09:55rubbish partner, good dad.
09:57Now you're saying bad dad.
09:58Let's do the DNA.
10:00Let's have a chat after this.
10:01We're right back.
10:01Don't go anywhere.
10:02Don't deny what you've done to me.
10:05Because you haven't just messed up my head.
10:07You've messed up my life.
10:08The DNA test results show that Jamie...
10:14Your mother says, you're disgusting.
10:16She's ashamed of you.
10:18She says to me, she'll have been kept...
10:21kept after, but haven't talked to me about when I were born.
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11:04I'm going to welcome back for the break.
11:06While exes, Jamie and Stacey, are still out during the break.
11:09What did you say to him during the break?
11:10I want an apology.
11:11And I will give you an apology,
11:12but you should never have put them doubts in there.
11:13No, I never put no doubts.
11:15You looked at your daughter's eyes because there was the blue.
11:18You denied her.
11:19You denied that little girl who called you daddy.
11:22You shouldn't do that.
11:23Tell me about the drugs.
11:25He was on cannabis, cocaine and speed.
11:27Have you ever taken drugs?
11:28Er, me?
11:29No.
11:30We did a drugs test.
11:31He's totally clear of everything.
11:33Great girl.
11:36Listen.
11:39Stace, let's do this DNA, right?
11:42What does this girl mean to you?
11:43Your mother-in-law, ex-mother-in-law,
11:45says that you treat them differently.
11:46They know exactly how much they mean to me.
11:47I'd do anything for them, Jeremy.
11:48I mean anything.
11:49I told them I'd take on the gods if I had to for my kids.
11:51I'd do anything for them.
11:52What did you do wrong with their mother?
11:54What do you mean?
11:54What did I do wrong?
11:55In the relationship?
11:56What would you apologise for?
11:58I'd apologise for being a bad partner,
12:00but you know, Stace, I'm a good dad,
12:02and you know I'd do anything to change it.
12:03No, I'm talking about to the mother of your children.
12:05I tried everything to be a good dad and be a good partner.
12:08I even wanted to get married and stuff, do you know what I mean?
12:11No, you did.
12:12I would never marry somebody who I'm scared to lie in bed with.
12:15All right.
12:16Not that way.
12:17Lie in bed with and worry that you're going to set the fire,
12:21set the house on fire.
12:21Such a lie, the whole man?
12:22No, to set the house on fire,
12:24and now that my kids are going to be home.
12:25How are you going to?
12:26I'll never do anything to hurt the kids.
12:27Can I help you out here?
12:28What's that?
12:29You go, I regret that, I made a mistake, I'm sorry.
12:31Very frustrating and very difficult when you're...
12:34I'm a good dad, do you know what I mean?
12:35Whatever happened within our relationship...
12:36They both said you were an OK dad.
12:37So whatever happened in our relationship,
12:39like, she can't keep throwing that at me,
12:40I'm not a violent person.
12:41The DNA test results show that Jamie,
12:44just the youngest one...
12:46Yeah.
12:46She's yours too, pal.
12:48Yes.
12:49Yes.
12:50Yes.
12:51Yes.
12:54Yes.
13:02No matter how bad he treated me,
13:04I would never do the dirty on anybody.
13:06I really like this girl, you know, Jay.
13:08I really like this girl.
13:09Not many people sit there and say,
13:11yeah, he wasn't a great boyfriend,
13:12but he can be a good dad.
13:13Not many...
13:13I can't stand here and judge, OK?
13:15Lynn, you've got to understand that.
13:16I can't say, did you break her arm?
13:17I know what I think.
13:19It's not right.
13:19She's trying to make me look bad there.
13:20Dad, dad, dad, dad, we're on.
13:22What did she just say?
13:24No, you didn't.
13:25Don't deny what you've done to me.
13:27Because you haven't just messed up my head.
13:30You've messed up my life.
13:31I can't move...
13:31You messed up my life?
13:32No, I can't move forward.
13:34You've ruined everything.
13:35What do you mean?
13:36No, you've ruined everything.
13:38Evermore?
13:38You've ruined everything because I can't move on
13:40because I've got insecurities and paranoia
13:42that I'm not good enough as somebody.
13:44You are.
13:44Shut up.
13:45You used to call me fat and ugly
13:47after saying it was beautiful.
13:49I don't know what you're saying about me.
13:50Just shut up.
13:51Just shut up.
13:52Despite all of that,
13:54I like what you said.
13:56I think you could do with some help separately,
13:59to be honest, Ice,
14:00because you're not fat and you're not ugly
14:01and people have bad relationships,
14:03but what happens is
14:04you have to come out of them
14:05and you have to move on
14:06and you have to go,
14:07I'm better than that
14:07and we'll support you and prove that to you,
14:09to the two of you,
14:10despite what happened.
14:11What did or didn't happen, Lin?
14:14You've got two kids.
14:15Your name needs to be on the birth certificate,
14:17but my friend, listen to me.
14:18Oi.
14:19I'm listening.
14:20You need to shut your mouth and open your ears.
14:23You need to be a dad.
14:24I am a good dad.
14:25Please listen to me.
14:26You've done it already,
14:27but then keep your mouth shut.
14:28I do apologise.
14:29Whatever happens,
14:30whatever's gone on,
14:30that's the mother of your children
14:32and even in unfair moments
14:34when stuff is thrown at
14:35that you don't agree with,
14:36sadly,
14:37the only way,
14:38well, not sadly,
14:38perhaps correctly the way to do
14:40for the sake of the kids
14:41is to button your lip
14:42and prove to your children
14:44and ultimately their mother
14:45that you are the father
14:47that you say you are.
14:48I want to put you two together,
14:49Stacey.
14:49I want to help you separately as well.
14:51Absolutely understand the anger
14:52and the emotion,
14:53but I think,
14:54as with everything,
14:55these are not possessions, right?
14:56These two kids
14:58came out of a relationship
14:59that didn't work,
15:00but they
15:01don't deserve to be watching this
15:03for the next 20 years,
15:04do they?
15:04We're going to put you together
15:05and you separately,
15:06Stacey,
15:06as well.
15:06I appreciate you coming on the show.
15:08Thank you very much indeed,
15:08all right?
15:09You two go that way.
15:10Thank you very much.
15:10You go there,
15:11all right?
15:11Thanks a lot.
15:12Take care.
15:12Thanks, man.
15:18Come up to them,
15:18right?
15:19My next guest today,
15:19Chelsea,
15:20is here for life-changing DNA results.
15:22She claims her mother,
15:23Teresa,
15:24told her that Aidy,
15:25the man who raised her,
15:26frankly,
15:26isn't her father.
15:27Now,
15:27Chelsea says that Teresa
15:28is the mother from hell
15:29who put her behind men and bingo.
15:32She says no matter what
15:32the DNA result is today,
15:34and she means this,
15:35she's 18,
15:35her mother is dead to her.
15:37She says,
15:37I want the truth.
15:38Aidy and I have a great relationship.
15:41We're going to go backstage.
15:42She's brave,
15:43incredibly brave to be here,
15:44and it's a massive,
15:45massive day for her,
15:46so we're going to have a chat with her.
15:47This is Chelsea.
15:48Let's go through here,
15:49I think.
15:50Thanks,
15:50guys.
15:52There we go.
15:53You all right?
15:55Chelsea,
15:55hi.
15:55Hi,
15:56Jimmy.
15:56How are you?
15:57I'm doing,
15:57I'm fine.
15:58Really nice to meet you.
15:59Thanks,
15:59Graham.
16:00Just to start the part,
16:02really,
16:02for me,
16:03a lot of people will come here
16:04and they'll come out with a
16:06really shocking opening line
16:08and you said to my team,
16:09my mother's dead to me.
16:10Yeah.
16:12Because,
16:12Jimmy,
16:13she,
16:14I just want this,
16:15she abandoned me
16:16when I was two years old.
16:18Let's just talk about your mum,
16:19um,
16:20Teresa.
16:20She was with your dad,
16:22Aidy.
16:22Were they,
16:22were they married?
16:23Yeah,
16:24they got married
16:25and my mum used to treat my dad
16:27as a punching bag.
16:28She abandoned me when I was five years of age.
16:30She puts men before her kids.
16:32Yeah,
16:32she does.
16:32What happened to you?
16:34Were you taken away from her?
16:35What happened?
16:36No,
16:36when my mum left,
16:38She walked out?
16:39Well,
16:39she walked out
16:40and then left.
16:41I was there with my dad.
16:42Why did you end up going into care?
16:44And I have to ask it,
16:45Chelsea,
16:46because it's important
16:46that we try and get every part of the story.
16:48You were with your dad,
16:49your mum had abandoned you,
16:50she'd picked,
16:51in your words,
16:51men and,
16:52and,
16:53and anything over her kids.
16:54Yeah.
16:54Why did you go from your dad's to care?
16:56Because I,
16:57I needed a mum
16:58going through puberty,
16:59do you know what I mean?
17:00And,
17:00I needed that mother figure
17:02to help me going through puberty.
17:04You had a hard time at school,
17:05didn't you?
17:06You were bullied,
17:07you talked quite candidly,
17:08I think.
17:09I was saying earlier
17:09to one of the guys about,
17:11I don't remember presents,
17:12I don't remember parties,
17:13I don't remember,
17:14and you said there,
17:15puberty,
17:15when you need your mum,
17:16when you need
17:17that figure in your life.
17:18If all of what you say
17:20rings very true,
17:22what I wanted to raise with you
17:23was that,
17:24today we're doing a DNA test,
17:26you obviously have major gripes
17:27with your mother,
17:28that's your business
17:29and you're right,
17:29we're doing it like this
17:30because you're 18
17:31and I think it's important
17:31that we,
17:32you know,
17:33we,
17:33we respect that,
17:35but,
17:36why are we doing a DNA test
17:38if AD has always been
17:39the man in your life,
17:40albeit when you were in care,
17:42why are we doing a DNA test?
17:43Because my mum keeps saying
17:44that my dad's not my dad.
17:48Your mother thinks
17:49that your father
17:49has poisoned you against her.
17:51No,
17:51he hasn't,
17:52he has been a mother to me,
17:54he is the best thing
17:55that has ever happened to me.
17:56And if you did discover today
17:58that he was your father
17:59and that this was lies
18:01said by your mother,
18:02what would that mean?
18:03Would that be fantastic?
18:04Yeah,
18:04it would,
18:05Jimmy.
18:05And what if he isn't?
18:07It would be heartbreaking.
18:09So you have,
18:10yeah,
18:11because he's been the only man
18:12that's been there for you.
18:16Listen to me,
18:17listen to me.
18:18There are people
18:18who watch this
18:19and they go,
18:20why would an 18-year-old
18:21want to do this?
18:22But I know
18:23that you want the truth,
18:24yes?
18:24AD has been the guy
18:25in your life.
18:26Your mother says,
18:28you're disgusting.
18:30She's ashamed of you.
18:31I'm not going to lie to you.
18:32But, Jimmy,
18:33she says to me
18:34she rather kept after
18:36but haven't talked to me
18:37about when I was born.
18:39Listen,
18:39I'm going to do it properly.
18:40Really respect you
18:41for being here.
18:42I'm going to go to a break.
18:42Cherise of the Mum is next
18:43and AD.
18:44And if you feel strong enough later,
18:46we'll put them all together.
18:47Right back.
18:47Don't go anywhere.
18:48So you did tell her
18:49that he hasn't had father.
18:50I don't want him
18:51as my daughter's father.
18:53You're tough, I am.
18:54Well, tough, you're not.
18:58That is damn good.
18:59You're not my daughter
19:01good anymore.
19:01Come on.
19:11Welcome back.
19:12Before the break,
19:13you saw me chatting
19:13with 18-year-old Chelsea.
19:15She's here to confront
19:15her mum, Cherise.
19:16She has a lot to say.
19:17Her mother says,
19:18Chelsea is disgusting.
19:20I'm ashamed of her.
19:21She's called me some vile names.
19:22She's the flirt.
19:23She goes through men
19:24like nobody else's business
19:26and she has no respect for me.
19:28Are you surprised?
19:29Cherise is on the Jeremy Kyle show.
19:30They're that way.
19:39Why would you call
19:40your daughter disgusting?
19:41Because she is.
19:42She's your daughter.
19:43Don't matter.
19:45I don't...
19:45Don't matter.
19:47I don't generally,
19:48would you have your children,
19:49daughter,
19:50call you a prostitute?
19:52A whore?
19:54You're a fat...
19:55sticking your finger up at you.
19:57Tell you what,
19:58I wouldn't expect
19:59from my children, right?
20:00I wouldn't expect
20:00that language
20:01but then I wouldn't
20:01leave them in care
20:02and disappear after
20:03to live my own life.
20:04That's what I would have
20:06to live my own life.
20:07What do you mean for?
20:09Shut the...
20:10Mads!
20:11Yes?
20:11Yes?
20:12Classy, now.
20:14Classy.
20:14Classy.
20:15Sit down and shut up.
20:17Sit down.
20:19What do you mean
20:19her dad's turned her?
20:21You disappeared
20:21when she was five.
20:22Yes or no?
20:23Yes.
20:23Where did you go?
20:24Where did you go?
20:25He abused me!
20:26Mentally abused you?
20:27Oh, you didn't throw
20:28out the physical one.
20:29Well, if he mentally abused you,
20:31why don't you take
20:31your daughter
20:32and run for the hills?
20:33Why'd you leave her behind?
20:35I did not have
20:38nowhere to go.
20:39Why do you fight
20:40for your kids back?
20:41No one, never!
20:42Why didn't you fight
20:43to get your daughter back?
20:44I did!
20:45Really?
20:45I'll go.
20:46She'll go visit her in care then?
20:47Yes, I did.
20:48Really?
20:49Yeah, I did.
20:50Why would you tell her
20:51that Adie isn't her dad?
20:53Well, probably
20:53because you don't know
20:54if he is or not, yeah?
20:55Yeah, he is her dad.
20:57So why'd you tell her
20:57he isn't?
20:58I never told her that.
20:59Oh, come on, love.
21:00Why would she be here?
21:01Oh, God.
21:01You want to blame her?
21:03A million times.
21:04You want to blame her?
21:05I don't win up with this.
21:07Oh, God.
21:07She would run away
21:08like he did before.
21:10I love people like this.
21:15Why are you running away then?
21:16You're either here
21:17to deal with this
21:18or run away
21:19like you've always done, right?
21:21No, I have never run away.
21:22She's your flesh and blood
21:24and you abandoned her,
21:26didn't you?
21:26No, I didn't.
21:28I didn't.
21:29I was always there
21:31for my daughter.
21:31Why did she go into care then?
21:33What is it then?
21:34My son wants to know me.
21:36I treated them both
21:37the same way.
21:39Well, and she doesn't
21:40want to know you.
21:40Where's her husband?
21:42Where's your ex-husband?
21:43Where's this Adie?
21:44Adie?
21:45Oh, oh.
21:47Come in, come in.
21:49Come in.
21:53Why do I go against me?
21:56Why do I go against me?
21:58Yeah?
21:59You're in for it.
22:00Blame him in.
22:01Are you going to threaten him again,
22:02are you?
22:03Like you used to use him
22:04as a punch bag.
22:05You're disgusting, you are.
22:06You used to treat me
22:07as a punch bag.
22:08Can't have a good bath.
22:10I've had one under shape, look.
22:13Look.
22:18You're disgusting, aren't you?
22:20Dink, I'm done.
22:21Part your backside
22:21and shut your cake
22:22hold on a minute.
22:27I'm sorry.
22:27I'm sorry.
22:29What?
22:30I am married to you now
22:32so you can't tell me
22:33what to do.
22:34Well, I'm not married to you
22:35either.
22:36I'm telling you,
22:36part your backside
22:37and shut up.
22:41Stop swearing.
22:42You're disgusting.
22:43This child.
22:44I need to...
22:44Sorry, you.
22:45Sorry?
22:45Sorry, you.
22:46We're going to do this
22:47for your child,
22:48an 18-year-old girl
22:49who says, and I quote...
22:50Well, that's it
22:51from me and my daughter.
22:52Really?
22:52That is it.
22:53You're lovely.
22:54At least this man's
22:54been there for his children.
22:57You've never been there.
22:59You let your daughter
23:00go to the hospital
23:01when she's in pay.
23:03Let me ask you
23:03a question, right?
23:05We're going out here
23:05and doing this.
23:06I'm not following
23:07you around the place.
23:08Either get out here
23:09or don't.
23:09I'm interested in the call.
23:15Here, here, here.
23:17I'm not going to know
23:17if she's in pay.
23:18No, she...
23:18Oh, no.
23:19All right.
23:19Well, I don't care.
23:20We'll sit here.
23:24Right, just one thing.
23:25And I don't want you
23:26to get upset with this lady.
23:26I've got to ask you
23:27the question.
23:28You say that the
23:28relationship is awful.
23:29She uses a punch bag.
23:31She, when Chelsea was
23:32five or six, did one.
23:33Disappeared.
23:34She brought the kids up.
23:35How come Chelsea
23:36ended up in care, then, pal?
23:37I've got to ask you
23:37the question.
23:38She was in my care
23:39for 11 years.
23:42And then...
23:43Shut up!
23:44Let him spit...
23:45Oi!
23:46Oi!
23:46Stop squawking!
23:47Come and live with me,
23:48AD.
23:49Because you...
23:50Did I?
23:50Yes!
23:51Did I?
23:52Yes!
23:52Let me ask you a question.
23:54I am sick and tired of people
23:56sitting on this stage
23:58making up vile, vile lies.
24:01You've never mentioned
24:02that before, so shut up
24:03while I speak to him a minute.
24:05No, I won't shut up!
24:06Shut up!
24:06No, I won't shut up!
24:08If you were any mother,
24:09you'd have got her out of care
24:10and brought her up,
24:11wouldn't you?
24:12I don't know where!
24:14Just for one minute.
24:15Are you honestly trying to tell me
24:17that an 18...
24:18Wait for me to finish, yeah?
24:20Why should I?
24:21You're slagging me off!
24:22Because it's called
24:22The Jeremy Kyle Show,
24:23that's why.
24:27But you told her
24:28that he wasn't her father,
24:30didn't you?
24:30I wish he would!
24:31Did you tell her that?
24:33Yes, I did!
24:34Ah, you did!
24:35You denied it all morning
24:36and you denied it in front of the...
24:38I denied it all morning!
24:40So you did tell her
24:40that he wasn't her father,
24:41why?
24:41I don't want him
24:42as my daughter's father!
24:44Well, tough I am!
24:45Well, tough you're not!
24:47In my eyes, you're not!
24:48Your daughter
24:49is really upset
24:51and I have to say,
24:52respect to her,
24:53are you alright?
24:53Are you okay?
24:54Yeah?
24:57Chelsea, Chelsea,
24:58if you want to...
24:59Chelsea, if you want to come out here,
25:00you come out.
25:01Give her a round of applause,
25:02those gentlemen, Chelsea!
25:09You!
25:10You!
25:11I...
25:11Chelsea!
25:12You can't believe in men's again!
25:14We're Spanish!
25:16You are...
25:17Oi, oi!
25:17She is 18
25:19and you disgust...
25:20Just be quiet!
25:22We are finished, girls!
25:23Do you think she gives a damn?
25:24Looking at you!
25:26Why did you abandon me
25:27when I was two years old?
25:28You were two years old!
25:30I was!
25:31So you did abandon her then?
25:32How old was she
25:33when you abandoned her?
25:34She was about four!
25:36Why did you abandon her?
25:38Eh?
25:38Why did you go?
25:39Right, he mental abuse me!
25:41He...
25:41Hang on!
25:42Can I just help my...
25:43How did he mental abuse you?
25:44Right, if you shut up
25:46and I will tell you!
25:47If you're in a minute,
25:49you're bringing the mental abuse in in!
25:50He told my mum!
25:51Why did you ring this show?
25:53Eh?
25:54Because I wanted to sort it out
25:55with my daughter...
25:56Then why don't you just seriously,
25:58okay,
25:59understand that everybody
26:00will come out and say
26:02something that the other side
26:04isn't going to be happy with.
26:05And yes,
26:06she has probably said
26:07a few things,
26:08but you have to understand,
26:10Charissa, right?
26:11This girl grew up
26:13feeling abandoned.
26:14I was about to ask...
26:15Yeah, it's all right!
26:15I was about to ask Adi a question
26:17in front of his daughter
26:18and we didn't finish it in there
26:20and I'm not being disrespectful.
26:22You say that you've been
26:23this consistent feature
26:25in your daughter's life.
26:26You say that,
26:27you know,
26:27you were always there for her,
26:28you've been a great dad.
26:30How come she ended up in care?
26:32That needs answering, pal,
26:34and I'm not being horrible.
26:34I want to know why.
26:35He was such a good dad,
26:36why was she taken from you?
26:37Because she went to court
26:39and the judge retracted his
26:42to say,
26:43I could have full custody of
26:45and obviously Chelsea.
26:47What was care like?
26:49It was brilliant, Jimmy.
26:51Brilliant.
26:52The foster parents,
26:53who I had,
26:55yeah,
26:56were like a mum.
26:57I always wanted...
26:59You have lied, yes?
27:01What's the truth?
27:02No, no, I'm sorry,
27:03hold on a sec.
27:03No, I'm not sharing anything.
27:04Answer that.
27:05I'm not talking to you.
27:05I'm not on the app.
27:06You can't answer a simple question.
27:07Did you on this stage...
27:09I didn't tell her that?
27:10Yeah, I did.
27:11Because I got it on camera.
27:11And then did you just say,
27:12I did tell her that?
27:13Yeah.
27:14So who's the liar
27:15and who's playing games
27:16with people then?
27:17No, I'm not playing games.
27:18No, no, it appears.
27:20No, it's not.
27:22It would appear like that.
27:24Chelsea, yeah?
27:26You,
27:26he has brainwashed you
27:28against me.
27:29No, he hasn't.
27:30Me and you,
27:31that is done now.
27:32Good.
27:32That is done.
27:33Good.
27:34You're not my daughter
27:35any more.
27:36I would celebrate.
27:37I'd jump from...
27:38Yeah!
27:39Good.
27:40You're not a mother.
27:49Can you just bring this down
27:50a minute
27:50and just try and get
27:51some sort of understanding?
27:53That is your mother, though.
27:56Everybody has their view.
27:58Adie,
27:59you told my team
28:00we're better off without her.
28:01She causes problems.
28:03She's always trying
28:04to cause problems.
28:04She told us,
28:05Theresa,
28:05when she was calmer
28:06that she believes
28:08that you've brainwashed,
28:09Chelsea.
28:10Brainwashed her
28:11against her.
28:13Are you brainwashed?
28:14No.
28:15I'm not,
28:16haven't I?
28:17Everybody in this audience
28:18here and at home
28:18has heard this woman say,
28:19I didn't say it wasn't your father
28:20and then say he is.
28:22So one would suspect
28:23that she's told many,
28:24many lies.
28:26I'm going to sound
28:27like a dad now,
28:27but don't ever lower yourself
28:29to her level.
28:30Can I have those results?
28:31I mean,
28:31in terms of the things
28:32you've said to her,
28:33you might feel that,
28:33but actually that's,
28:34that's playing her game.
28:36What is this?
28:37Be quiet.
28:39What does this mean?
28:40It means everything
28:42if he is my father
28:43and if he's not,
28:44he will always be my father.
28:47The DNA testers
28:48show that Adie,
28:50that's your daddy.
28:57Don't touch her,
28:58Adie,
28:59Adie,
28:59you stay there.
29:00It's calming,
29:01okay?
29:01It's calming.
29:02It's calming.
29:03Just,
29:05just calmly.
29:06How do you, girl?
29:09Can you get me the mic?
29:11Teresa,
29:12you phone this show,
29:13sweetheart.
29:13Come on.
29:14You phone this show.
29:15Yeah, I did.
29:16I want you to try and sort it out.
29:17Then do it calmly and sort it out.
29:19Like I've always called you,
29:21Chelsea,
29:21and you know I have.
29:23I have been there for you.
29:25I want a good mum.
29:26No,
29:26I admit that.
29:27Right,
29:27stop right there,
29:28because that's the first time
29:29we've had a bit of honesty.
29:29Why weren't you a good mum?
29:31Because I was pig-headed
29:33and everything,
29:34yeah?
29:34Well,
29:34that's about the best thing
29:35you've said all morning,
29:36so it wasn't everybody else's fault.
29:38No,
29:38I'm not saying it's no one's fault,
29:40yeah?
29:41It was a mistake.
29:42I married her dad,
29:44yeah?
29:45Did you let her down?
29:46Yeah,
29:47maybe in one way,
29:48yes,
29:49I did let her down.
29:50She ever told you that before?
29:52No.
29:52Look at her and tell her,
29:53not me,
29:53tell her.
29:54Yes,
29:54I did let you down
29:55when you was born,
29:56Chelsea.
29:57Yeah?
29:59I did let you down,
30:00but I've always been there for you.
30:03You aren't, though.
30:04Well,
30:04that's the point.
30:05She wouldn't feel like you have been,
30:07do you understand that?
30:08Yes,
30:08I do understand.
30:09That's what we're trying to get here,
30:10right?
30:10I can't see any way
30:12moving forward,
30:13Chelsea,
30:13because you're...
30:14What did you say when I came here?
30:15What did I say?
30:15Here's the interesting thing about you.
30:17You rang this show.
30:19Yeah,
30:19because I wanted to stop it
30:21with my princess.
30:22stop right there.
30:23She rang this show.
30:25That must,
30:26in your mind,
30:27say,
30:27and God knows Graham's taught me enough
30:29over the last 11 years,
30:31plenty of people make mistakes
30:32and plenty of people realise
30:33that they've behaved in a wrong way
30:35and,
30:35much as anything,
30:37this show should be a chance
30:38for everybody to get all this out
30:39and a chance to talk.
30:42Your mother looked at you
30:43on national television,
30:44to her credit,
30:45and said I wasn't a very good mother.
30:46There's plenty of people
30:47who aren't good parents
30:48who would never admit that.
30:49That must mean something.
30:50Yeah,
30:51it actually does,
30:51but I feel like
30:53she's already been...
30:54deserve the word
30:55mother,
30:55Jeremy.
30:56Well,
30:56maybe she doesn't
30:57in your eyes,
30:57but the fact is,
30:58biologically,
30:58she is.
30:59Might I make a suggestion?
31:01Maybe you're...
31:02Maybe you're very similar,
31:03you two.
31:04Maybe you're both...
31:04Yeah,
31:05we are.
31:07She has got more ways.
31:08Look at your mother.
31:10I know,
31:10but I don't want
31:11to do the way,
31:11Jeremy.
31:12But you see,
31:13here's where
31:14I'm not going to...
31:16Look,
31:16I can only do this
31:17one way.
31:18That's rubbish.
31:19And I understand
31:20why you would say that.
31:22I understand
31:23why you would be angry,
31:24and you have to understand
31:25why she would be angry.
31:26I don't understand.
31:27I understand
31:28some of the things
31:28you've said
31:29and some of the things
31:29you've done,
31:30but I don't think
31:30that anybody would be here
31:31unless actually,
31:32essentially,
31:33there was a desire
31:35to talk.
31:35Can I just
31:36make a little suggestion
31:37as an old man?
31:39Just away from the cameras
31:40and all of this
31:41with this man here,
31:42just while you're here
31:43for half an hour,
31:44sit and tell your mum
31:45why you're upset,
31:46why you're disappointed,
31:47why you feel let down.
31:48Let your mother
31:49try and explain
31:49the mistakes that she made
31:51because credit to her,
31:52and I mean that,
31:53she at least said that.
31:54If at the end
31:55of half an hour
31:55you find no common ground,
31:56have you lost anything?
31:57No.
31:57Actually,
31:58what you've done is
31:58you've got all this angst
32:00which would have continued
32:01forever shouting
32:02and screaming out,
32:03and you get to a point
32:04where you say
32:05there's too much water
32:05under the bridge.
32:06The truth is
32:06I don't want to do this anymore.
32:08Okay?
32:08But it might be
32:10that you can find
32:11something, yes?
32:13Yeah.
32:14Will you do that?
32:14Yeah.
32:15Promise?
32:15Jeremy,
32:16when she's away
32:17from her dad,
32:18Can I give you some advice?
32:20I know you don't want
32:20to hear it,
32:20but look at me.
32:22Make it about you two,
32:23not about the other kids,
32:24not about Aidy.
32:25She's totally different.
32:27Right,
32:27well then use that half an hour.
32:28She wants to know me.
32:29Then use that time
32:30with Graham
32:30to see if you two
32:32away from everybody else
32:33can find some common ground,
32:34yes?
32:35Yes?
32:36Yes?
32:36Yes.
32:37Give him a round of applause,
32:38Graham will do it next.
32:42Good afternoon.
32:43We'll get on with Graham
32:43and see if we can find
32:44some common ground.
32:45my next guest today,
32:46Stuart Means Business.
32:47He says that his ex,
32:48Kerry,
32:49has allowed a new partner,
32:50Chris,
32:50whom she's only been with
32:51for two months,
32:51to take over
32:52and play dad to Stuart.
32:53Sonny says
32:54he has serious suspicions
32:55that Kerry cheated on him
32:56and even worries
32:57that she was seeing Chris
32:58whilst they were still together,
32:59which means
33:00this guy has DNA doubts.
33:02He says he refuses
33:03to let the other man
33:04push him out.
33:04There will be no way
33:05this guy's adopting
33:06my son
33:07if it is my son.
33:09Big day.
33:09Stuart's on the car show
33:10that way.
33:11Give him a round of applause.
33:19All because the lady
33:20loved milk tray.
33:22Welcome to the show,
33:23Stu, 37.
33:24You were in a relationship
33:24with Kerry for how long?
33:28About...
33:28Just under three years.
33:32This child
33:34is central to your life.
33:36Two years of age.
33:37Your issue here
33:38is this new guy,
33:40Chris,
33:40who Freddie admits
33:41he's only been around
33:42eight weeks
33:43and wants to adopt
33:44your kid
33:45and is playing dad
33:45to your child.
33:46The answer is going to be
33:47no.
33:48He's never going to adopt
33:48my son, ever.
33:50Your relationship
33:51with Kerry,
33:51what was it like?
33:52Why did it end?
33:53Um,
33:54ups and downs.
33:56You thought she was
33:57cheating, didn't you?
33:58Yes.
33:58She'd sent half-naked
33:59pictures to another bloke.
34:01Was it him?
34:01I don't know.
34:02You say she's a dirty girl.
34:03What do you mean by that?
34:04What do they say?
34:05The messages?
34:06Oh,
34:07I can't remember
34:08last year.
34:09She can?
34:10You told us.
34:10It was dirty chat.
34:11Oh, yeah, it was dirty chat.
34:12Get me through my morning...
34:13You do, don't you?
34:15Dad of the year,
34:16you're flipping not.
34:18It's not funny,
34:19aren't you?
34:19I'm fine for my son.
34:21Did you send new
34:22pictures of yourself?
34:23No, I didn't, Jeremy.
34:24He's lying.
34:26Any dirty chat?
34:27No, I didn't.
34:28You told me you'd say...
34:29He's lying.
34:29He's only cheating on me.
34:31Did you...
34:32What did they say?
34:33Come on.
34:34I'm 51.
34:36I need some titillation.
34:37He's all right for him to...
34:39Wherever he is.
34:40What?
34:40And body...
34:41Could you please just wait
34:43until I bring you out?
34:43Cheers.
34:44Come on.
34:46Come on.
34:48I mean, it is me.
34:49I can't wait for you.
34:49You're here fighting for your son.
34:51You're about as interesting
34:51as a teabag.
34:52Come on.
34:54Okay, um...
34:55What did it say?
34:56I want...
35:01I want you to what?
35:04Right, anyway, I'm going to ask now.
35:07So you think she was cheating
35:08and that's why you have DNA doubts,
35:11but how does Chris come into the equation?
35:13Because the...
35:14I have not got a clue.
35:15I don't even know the guy.
35:16You've never met him?
35:16Never met him.
35:17He wants to adopt your kid.
35:18The answer is no.
35:19He's been around 56 days.
35:22He says...
35:23And I would love this.
35:24He says you're a waste of space.
35:26He's going to adopt your son.
35:28You've no idea what it is to be a parent.
35:30This is Chris,
35:31who's 28 on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
35:38I'll tell you something.
35:40I picked all the pieces for you, kid.
35:42I put food in his belly.
35:44Close his back.
35:44Where have you been
35:45for the past two and a half months, eh?
35:47So I'll tell you something.
35:48That kid's better off without you.
35:50He's got me.
35:51He calls me dad.
35:53Not you.
35:54Does he really?
35:55No, he does.
35:56You want to threaten me as well?
35:58Try it.
36:01Because I won't have it.
36:03Bullies like you
36:04will get what's coming to us.
36:06Bullies?
36:06Yeah.
36:06Come on, explain.
36:08Right?
36:08Treating Kerry like an housewife.
36:10What did you want?
36:11You ain't no man.
36:14Housewife,
36:14I'm going to work every day.
36:15Oh,
36:16making her wash your clothes.
36:17I'm sorry.
36:18I do the washing
36:19and Kerry helps me.
36:21You just laid on your backside
36:22all day.
36:24Oh,
36:24they're working.
36:25Laid on the backside.
36:27Coming home
36:28and they're not helping Kerry out.
36:29Are you having a laugh?
36:30Sorry, sorry.
36:31I don't want to get off
36:32on the wrong foot with you,
36:33but you're talking
36:33complete and utter rubbish,
36:34just so you're aware, okay?
36:35I am not.
36:36I actually believe everybody
36:37should say things,
36:38but you might be
36:39the greatest man
36:40since God created men.
36:42Fact, Chris,
36:43you've been there
36:44for 56 days, pal.
36:46I know.
36:47That's not good enough.
36:48No,
36:48I'm not saying
36:49that you're not amazing
36:51and you don't love her
36:52and it's all brilliant.
36:53You're not the child's father.
36:55But I'd be my father.
36:57He might be rubbish.
36:58I'll deal with that.
36:59You can't walk out here
37:00and say,
37:00I'm the baby's dad
37:02because everybody
37:02thinks you're nuts.
37:03No,
37:04but if the boy
37:04must go off his own back,
37:06Well, you should tell him
37:07you're not his dad,
37:08that you're his mother's boyfriend
37:09and the latest man
37:11because she's soon.
37:12You can't back me up.
37:13It's too soon.
37:14Too soon.
37:16And he did work.
37:17Do you work?
37:18Unfortunately,
37:19I can at the moment
37:19because I might have...
37:20But you can do everything
37:21for her
37:21because she's sleeping.
37:22No,
37:22but he's a no one.
37:23I might have full knee surgery
37:25because I used to work in care.
37:26Right,
37:27I don't know.
37:28Okay,
37:28but you can't have a go
37:29about the bloke
37:30working for a living.
37:31He doesn't pay for him.
37:32Do you pay for the child?
37:33At the moment,
37:34no.
37:34Why?
37:34I'll explain why
37:35because one,
37:36I've not seen him
37:37for two months
37:37because one,
37:38she's blocked my number,
37:39blocked me on Facebook
37:40and then she's up to move.
37:41You're still in love with Kerry?
37:42No.
37:42When was the last time?
37:43She's not very happy either.
37:44When was the last time
37:45you saw your kid?
37:47The day we split up.
37:48Chance after chance after chance.
37:49Why have you not seen the child?
37:51It's not his fault
37:52because he's up to block my number.
37:53He's not chance after chance
37:56kids you do more.
37:57I'm sure you're a nice bloke,
37:59you're not the father.
38:00The woman in the middle
38:00with the orange hair
38:01who's not happy is next.
38:02We're right back.
38:05I've got your chance.
38:06I've got your chance.
38:07I've got your chance.
38:07I've got your chance.
38:07I've got four clubs to do as well.
38:08No, you're not.
38:09He's a useless father.
38:11He's a deaf-beater dad
38:11and I want everybody
38:12to find out what he's like.
38:17It's Christmas!
38:20I'll give you Christmas, Brian.
38:22I'll give you a chance.
38:25I'll give you a chance.
38:26Shut up, you!
38:27That's why I'm here for being
38:28not familiar with you, David.
38:30You've got a job.
38:31Proof you're a dapper.
38:32You haven't heard of you.
38:32Why arrange to meet people?
38:34Because I'm not going to let you
38:35treat me like this.
38:38Hey!
38:39You got it, man!
38:40One of these three
38:41has failed the lie detector.
38:43Oh, yeah!
38:44Oh, yeah!
38:45Oh, yeah!
38:45Oh, yeah!
38:46Oh, yeah!
38:46Oh, yeah!
38:48I'm having them back in a minute.
38:52I've done some weird stuff
38:54on this show,
38:54but I can't marry you.
38:56It's a Jeremy Kyle show, mate.
38:57Come on.
38:58He got the rear for Christmas.
39:01I want you to do that.
39:05You can marry him.
39:07It's a photo.
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40:04Thank you so much for the show.
40:06Thank you so much for the show and Chris.
40:07Just one of the things, right?
40:08So you've been with Kerry for eight weeks.
40:11Yeah.
40:12You love her.
40:13Yeah.
40:13And her son calls you dad.
40:15Yeah.
40:15Ridiculous.
40:16You split up.
40:18Shut up.
40:18I'll get you.
40:19You split up with her.
40:20You don't want to be with her,
40:21but you say since...
40:22All it is is true.
40:23It's jealous.
40:24Since she got with Chris,
40:25you don't see the kid.
40:27It's also made you wonder
40:28because of some photos
40:29and messages you found
40:30whether in fact
40:30she cheated on you.
40:31Do you believe that maybe
40:32she knew Chris
40:33before you and she split up?
40:35Yes.
40:35So there might have been
40:36a bit of Chris Cross.
40:40Chris, rubbish.
40:43Rubbish.
40:44Hold on a minute.
40:45It wasn't a rubbish joke
40:46I spent all morning.
40:48Chris Cross.
40:50Kerry's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
40:51Give her a round of applause.
40:56I don't know.
40:58I don't know your dad.
41:00No, you haven't.
41:01I'll give you a chance.
41:01I'll give you a chance.
41:02I'll give you a chance.
41:02I'll give you a chance.
41:02I'll give you a chance.
41:03I'll give you a full custody as well.
41:04No, you're not.
41:05What is that?
41:05I mean, I'm the dad.
41:06No, you're not.
41:07I want full custody.
41:08No, you don't, you idiot.
41:09No, you know,
41:10I'll give you a chance
41:11after chance after chance
41:12after chance.
41:12You're on Facebook.
41:13Why hasn't he seen the kid
41:14in two months
41:14woke up to the show?
41:15I've gave him a chance.
41:17No, he hasn't blown you over.
41:18Then go round to the house.
41:19She's moved.
41:21So you know where
41:21she's moved to, do you?
41:23Why not?
41:23All you did.
41:24Because she wants
41:24to be playing this show.
41:25She did.
41:26Why didn't you phone it?
41:27Because you want to see your kid.
41:29Why would she phone it?
41:30There you are.
41:32You'd be the slave
41:32every time you used to come home
41:34and went, oh, why is my washing not done?
41:35You've had all weekend to do it.
41:37Remember,
41:38are you trying not to,
41:39are you trying to forget that?
41:41So he worked all day
41:42and he expects...
41:42All he is is a user and abuser.
41:44Can we have a big sexist debate here?
41:45So he worked all day
41:46and expects you to do his washing.
41:47I was looking after my son.
41:50Which one?
41:51Was he any sort of dad?
41:52This is what I want to know.
41:53He was a user and abuser.
41:54He was making me out.
41:56I worry,
41:56the thing is, Kel,
41:57I worry,
41:58I worry a lot sometimes
41:59on this show
41:59when people just throw out.
42:01He was violent.
42:02He was a user and abuser.
42:03She was this,
42:04she was that.
42:04What was he like
42:05before crisscross?
42:07Was there a crisscross?
42:08Never mind.
42:08What was he like as a father?
42:10Was he any good?
42:11No, he wasn't.
42:12No, he didn't even spend much time.
42:12So why didn't you finish
42:13the relationship then?
42:14I did finish the relationship.
42:16So you got rid of him?
42:17Yes, I did
42:18because he was a useless father.
42:19Did you get rid of him
42:20because you had Chris lined up?
42:22Did you have Chris lined up?
42:23No, I didn't actually.
42:24He sent naked pictures of yourself.
42:25No, I didn't.
42:26It's a liar.
42:27All he's doing...
42:28It's a compulsive liar, Jeremy.
42:29You're going to say that.
42:30You're in love with her.
42:30Did you send any pictures
42:31of your bits?
42:32No, I didn't.
42:33No, I didn't.
42:33Wait a minute.
42:34I'm listening to...
42:34No, no, I didn't send
42:36any sort of pictures.
42:37So you never cheated on him?
42:38No, I didn't.
42:39Is he the father?
42:40He is the father.
42:411,000 million percent.
42:43Yes, he didn't.
42:43Look, our son
42:45is a spitting image
42:46of him.
42:47He's got the same
42:48colour eyes.
42:49Also, he even sleeps like him.
42:50Why am I doing
42:51double DNA then?
42:52Why am I doing
42:52one on crisscross?
42:53Was there a crisscross?
42:54No, there wasn't
42:55a crisscross.
42:56So you did...
42:56And there was nobody else
42:57in the frame?
42:58No.
42:59He's the father.
43:00Definitely.
43:01Yes.
43:02The DNA testers
43:02will show that Chris
43:03did not cross
43:04because he's not
43:04the biological father.
43:08So I'm not sure
43:09I'll upset you
43:10because I'm sure
43:10you're going to be
43:11together for all eternity
43:12and get happily married
43:13and live together
43:14and have lots of children
43:14but you're not
43:15the biological father.
43:16I worry about you
43:18because you come out
43:18and you say
43:19I'm going to be
43:19I'm going to mean business.
43:20You're not very passionate
43:21are you?
43:22He's not passionate
43:23at all, Jeremy.
43:24No.
43:24I have given him a chance.
43:26He can easily
43:26message me.
43:27That doesn't mean
43:27he shouldn't be able
43:28to see his kid.
43:29I gave him a chance.
43:30I gave him a chance.
43:32We've given him a chance.
43:32We've given him a chance.
43:33Through a mediation
43:34from a contact center.
43:35The DNA testers
43:35will show that Stuart
43:36is the biological father.
43:38You are.
43:39All you do is
43:40you are.
43:43You think you're so
43:44bloody, don't you?
43:44Why did you ring this show?
43:45Why did you ring this show?
43:46Because I don't see it.
43:47Basically,
43:47he's a useless father.
43:49He's a deadbeat dad
43:50and I want everybody
43:50to find out what he is like.
43:52What do you want from him?
43:53He's abusive.
43:54I don't want nothing from him.
43:56I gave him a chance to see his son.
43:56No, he's not.
43:58It's a chance.
43:59You can't stop him
44:00from seeing his son.
44:00It's been eight weeks.
44:02Based on what?
44:02I gave him a chance.
44:03Based on the fact
44:04he made you do the washing up.
44:05He should have messaged me on Facebook.
44:06No, no.
44:07I don't care about Facebook.
44:09You've bought my number.
44:09If you weren't with Chris,
44:11hear me out.
44:12Be quiet, you un...
44:14If you weren't with Chris,
44:16who's very nice,
44:18you'd be allowing him
44:19to see his kid, wouldn't you?
44:20You would.
44:21No one won't do it.
44:21You've got a perfect use...
44:22It's been giving me abuse.
44:24Once he starts,
44:24it gives me abuse.
44:26Abuse about what?
44:27Oh, I'm useless, Mum.
44:28If anything changes,
44:29I'm going to take Luke off.
44:29Do you know what?
44:30I have to say,
44:31I've done this a long time
44:32and what you two
44:33are throwing at each other
44:34is childish rubbish.
44:37It is not childish.
44:37He is the biological father.
44:39Right, you.
44:39Here you are.
44:40And you're making out
44:40like he's not the father.
44:42Actually, he is the father.
44:43I've just read the fact that he...
44:44I know you've done that.
44:45I know.
44:46I know you've done that.
44:47The thing is, though,
44:48is I thought that's about the...
44:50Mate, could you do me a favour,
44:51loved up young...
44:52Just wait a minute.
44:53You.
44:54But he's...
44:55What?
44:55Right, I'll let you carry on.
44:56If you say you're passionate...
44:59You need to show the...
45:00I don't...
45:01You didn't ring this show.
45:03You didn't try and nail this.
45:05Some part of you, to me,
45:07smacks of I don't like the fact
45:08that my girlfriend's with a new bloke, right?
45:10And you're a bit sulky.
45:11Have you done enough to see your son?
45:14First question.
45:14Second question.
45:15Have you provided for your son
45:17or are you, in fact,
45:19to pick the wrong phrase,
45:20throwing your toys out of the pram
45:21because you don't like the fact
45:22your bird's moved on?
45:23But you.
45:24I'm not having a go
45:25because this is a situation
45:26that needs to be resolved
45:27for the sake of Luke.
45:29New boyfriend.
45:30It is totally wrong
45:32for your kid
45:33to...
45:34Well, to call him dad.
45:36Any mother
45:36watching this,
45:37worth their salt,
45:38would turn to their son
45:39and go,
45:40he is not your dad.
45:41He is my boyfriend.
45:43And I would assume
45:44that as a mother
45:45you'd agree with that,
45:46wouldn't you?
45:48Wouldn't you?
45:50Do you not think
45:51you should tell him...
45:52Do you agree with me?
45:53He's just making me
45:53take his side.
45:54I'm not...
45:55I've just told him
45:56he's done nothing.
45:57He should have phoned the show
45:58and he's paid no money.
45:59I'm asking you as a mother,
46:00do you think it's right
46:02that your son calls
46:03and you might be with Chris
46:05for the rest of your life.
46:06God bless you.
46:06It'll be lovely.
46:07It might last a week.
46:09Right?
46:09What you two...
46:10I mean, he's about as...
46:11I said it earlier.
46:12He's about as passionate
46:12as a teabag that's being used.
46:14It frustrates me.
46:16And if he wanted,
46:18I suspect,
46:19to see his kid
46:19or do this quicker,
46:20he'd have phoned this show.
46:21He'd have sorted out
46:22a contact centre.
46:23Right?
46:23I'm asking you as a mother.
46:25I'm not criticising you.
46:27You both need to make sure
46:29that Luke knows
46:31that Chris is not his dad.
46:32If you stay with him forever,
46:34he'll be your stepdad.
46:35But he's not the dad.
46:35That's not me slagging off you two.
46:37It's me giving you a fact.
46:38Do you understand that?
46:39No, I don't understand.
46:40Now, as to you...
46:41And you will never adopt him.
46:42Ever.
46:43If I have to,
46:44I'll go to the legal room.
46:45Because...
46:46You won't be able to adopt...
46:48I'm adopting this child.
46:49I've known his mother
46:50for 56 days.
46:51He's not even done anything.
46:52He didn't do the washing up.
46:53I'm going to have a break.
46:54I'm talking about washing up.
46:57No presents.
46:58No money.
46:58It's only been once
46:59that he paid me money.
47:01Can I...
47:01I absolutely agree with you
47:02that he could...
47:03You must...
47:03He has not paid...
47:04You must know
47:05that you should have done more.
47:07I've paid all the bills.
47:08I've paid the bill,
47:09bought his presents.
47:09How did you get together?
47:11When I left you,
47:12nothing you left me
47:13you didn't remember
47:14or you forgot...
47:15Can I ask you a question?
47:16Will you and him
47:17without Chris,
47:17because it's important,
47:18for the sake of your son,
47:20sit with my aftercare team
47:21and see if you can find
47:22some common ground?
47:23Not for your ego
47:24or his ego.
47:25You're a...
47:25It's from a little...
47:25For Luke.
47:26Yes, I understand that.
47:27Luke's father.
47:27If it has to be a...
47:28I have come on here
47:28for my little bi.
47:29And you,
47:30seriously,
47:31rock it up the backside.
47:32I don't buy you.
47:33I expect you to come out here
47:34and be passionate.
47:35I expect you to come out here
47:36and say,
47:37I don't care about him.
47:38I care about my son.
47:39Well, Duke.
47:40Well, you don't give the impression.
47:42All you do
47:42is say younger women.
47:44Yeah, you do.
47:45Does what?
47:45All he does
47:46is say younger women.
47:47My age.
47:48Right, well,
47:49that's another story.
47:49Anyway,
47:50will you and he
47:51sit with Graham
47:52and talk this through
47:53for the sake of Luke?
47:54Yes or no?
47:55Appreciate it.
47:55And I repeat,
47:56these two rang this show.
47:58You,
47:58you need a...
47:59Go on,
48:00go and get on with it.
48:00Give him a round of applause.
48:01That way and that way.
48:02Ah!
48:09Passionate man
48:10on the Jeremy Kyle show
48:11wants to see his kid.
48:12Oh, do.
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48:19Watch it home.
48:20You know who you are.
48:21See you very soon.
48:21Take care.
48:22Bye-bye.
48:22Bye-bye.
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