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00:00On today's show, this lady says, I am determined to prove this guy ain't no good for my mother.
00:08And actually, she says, she's definitely going to be able to prove it.
00:10Well, I set up a fake Facebook account and the name of Alice Spencer.
00:14So you're Alice?
00:15Yep, I'm Alice.
00:16And he's...
00:19Apparently, I'm his cousin. My mum is his auntie.
00:22I think I've been cheating, I haven't.
00:24But Alice is here. How do you feel about that?
00:26Nervous.
00:28You are literally weasels!
00:30That's Alice.
00:30Yes, I'm Alice.
00:32Come here, because I'm fed up with you.
00:34Stop pushing.
00:35Gary, Gary, Gary, come on.
00:36Since the start of your relationship with Maria, have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
00:40No.
00:40Sorry?
00:41No.
00:41He said no.
00:44I just come home from work in the morning and always think that there's someone...
00:48I've had an off mate.
00:49This was a year ago.
00:52You're a bit dodgy, aren't you?
00:53Well, you'll see that I haven't done anything when you get tested by Maria.
00:56We asked Carly, since the start of your relationship with Ollie, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
01:00You said no.
01:00Why did you say no, Carly?
01:01Because I've done a trade.
01:19Thank you, my fans.
01:23Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:24Now, our first guest today, Gina, is here to find out if her mum's boyfriend, Stephen, is primarily a cheat.
01:30She claims that Stephen had been chatting to another woman online.
01:33Now, she is backstage in the green room with one hell of a confession.
01:37Come with me.
01:38This lady says, I am determined to prove this guy ain't no good for my mother.
01:44And actually, she says, she's definitely going to be able to prove it.
01:48Come this way.
01:48I think she's back here.
01:49All right, Al, let's get through here.
01:52Gina, how are you?
01:55I'm OK.
01:56This is a first for me.
01:58Chill.
02:00So, your mum's called.
02:02Yeah.
02:03What's your mum called?
02:04Maria.
02:04Maria.
02:05How long has she been going out with Stephen for?
02:07Four or five months.
02:08Yeah.
02:09They met online.
02:11Yep.
02:11Stephen stayed at the house for one weekend and then he moved in two weeks later.
02:17Yep.
02:17Initial impressions from you about him were?
02:21At first, I thought he was dodgy.
02:23Why?
02:23He just didn't look right.
02:25He looked like a little weasel.
02:28You taught my team this guy's a liar.
02:30He makes up stuff and actually I know in my gut that he's no good.
02:33Yeah, I do know that for definite.
02:34Why?
02:35Because they tell me you've got a confession.
02:37Yep, I have.
02:38Which is?
02:40If you ask him about Alice Spencer, he might be able to tell you who she is.
02:45Alice Spencer?
02:46Yeah.
02:46Who's that?
02:46Well, I set up a fake Facebook account under the name of Alice Spencer and he's been talking
02:52to her.
02:53Apparently, I'm his cousin.
02:54My mum is his auntie.
02:56He's single.
02:57He's 38 but he looks about 75.
02:59So I won't be surprised if he's lying about his age as well.
03:02So you're Alice?
03:04Yep, I'm Alice.
03:05So you've actually conned this guy.
03:07He thinks there's a bird called Alice Spencer who's chatting with him online.
03:09He's gone as far as to say, Maria's just a relation, Gina's a relation, I'm single,
03:14I want you.
03:14What do we know about Alice Spencer?
03:16She works at Tesco's.
03:17I don't believe in all this.
03:19Right, what does she do at Tesco's?
03:20She's a shelf stack, a cashier.
03:21Cashier on the shelf.
03:23Yeah.
03:23And also, he said to my mum on one occasion that he was going to meet a manager from,
03:31because he got redundancy and he was going to meet his manager about his redundancy money.
03:37So he went off, me and my mum, my cousin Gary stayed and he come back 10 minutes later
03:43and said, oh, the meeting didn't go very well.
03:46Is that because he was supposed to meet Alice?
03:47He was meant to meet Alice.
03:48So he's got absolutely no idea.
03:51Nope.
03:53Is that a bit mean?
03:54It is, but at the end of the day, my mum's been in bad relationships before
03:59and I'm just fed up with people hurting her.
04:01And you think, if this guy can do this with you, he can do it to anybody
04:05and your mum, you know, you're trying to protect your mum.
04:07Now, I'm going to try and do this a little bit differently this morning, right?
04:09So what I'm going to do is, he obviously hasn't heard or seen any of this.
04:13I'm going to interview him and I'm going to tell him
04:15that Alice is here and then I'm going to bring you out.
04:22Is that all right?
04:23Yeah, that's fine.
04:24Brilliant.
04:24Give her a round of applause.
04:30Right, so, Stephen is here.
04:34Stephen is here because he wants to talk about his relationship with Maria.
04:38He's backstage, feeling a little bit nervous.
04:39Going to go and have a word with him.
04:43Er...
04:44How are you?
04:45Hi, John.
04:46Why are you nervous?
04:46Very nervous.
04:47Why?
04:48Take a seat.
04:49You're all right.
04:49Chill, me old son.
04:51You're in a relationship with, um, Maria, aren't you?
04:55But you've done a lie detector.
04:56Why have you done a lie detector?
04:57That's what she's both asked me to do.
04:59Why?
04:59What does she think is going on?
05:00I think I've been cheating.
05:02I haven't.
05:02Why does she think that?
05:04Because, like, I've been away for six weeks.
05:06What, you've been in prison?
05:07No, no, no, no, no.
05:09Where'd you been, then?
05:10On holiday?
05:11No, working.
05:12Working?
05:12What do you do?
05:13A bit of that, um...
05:14A bit of this and a bit of that?
05:16Yeah, a bit of security.
05:17A bit of security?
05:18I could do with a new security, yes.
05:19But you have...
05:21We do know this, and you know this.
05:22You've been chatting to somebody online, haven't you?
05:25Yeah, yeah.
05:26What's her name?
05:26Alice.
05:27How did you meet her?
05:28Just for friends, like, you know.
05:30Friends?
05:31Yeah.
05:31Do you know much about her?
05:32No, no.
05:34What have you been talking about?
05:36Well, one of those, Marie asked me to...
05:38I can't hear you.
05:38Marie asked me to, um, actually, um, do a bit of investigating,
05:41because she didn't know who she was at first.
05:43Maria asked you to investigate who Alice was?
05:45Yeah.
05:46So you told Maria about Alice?
05:48She probably went, Alice, Alice, who is Alice to you, yeah?
05:52But, so she asked you to investigate who is Alice, yeah?
05:56Yeah.
05:56And what did you find out?
05:57Um, she kept saying she knew the family and that.
06:00Oh, right, so, so it's just an innocent, innocent thing, yeah?
06:03Yeah, that's all.
06:03Have you got feelings for Alice?
06:05No, no.
06:05Have you ever arranged to meet up with Alice?
06:07Once, yeah.
06:08To do what?
06:09To find out who she actually was.
06:10Did you take Maria with you or were you going on your own?
06:12I was going on my own, on the kindness of me, like, you know, and...
06:15So Maria would have some concerns, yeah?
06:17Yeah.
06:17Well, I know you've only just found this out, but Alice is here.
06:20Oh.
06:21How do you feel about that?
06:22Nervous.
06:25But if she...
06:26Actually, we've got a picture of Alice, haven't we, backstage?
06:29So that's Alice you've been talking to, and you know nothing, you know nothing about that, no?
06:35Do you want to meet Alice?
06:36No.
06:36What?
06:38Why not?
06:39Because it's a certain innocent thing, like, you know.
06:41Well, if it's an innocent thing, what's wrong with meeting her?
06:43Believe it or not, she really wants to meet you, because she has a very different story.
06:47She says that it isn't innocent, she isn't a family friend, and that you've been trying it on with her.
06:53No.
06:56This is Alice.
07:04That's Alice.
07:05Oh, hello, Stephen.
07:06Hello, Gina.
07:07No, don't hello, Jimmy and me.
07:09You are a little weasel.
07:12That's Alice.
07:13Yes, I'm Alice.
07:14It's called catfish.
07:15You mean I'm...
07:16Strooping in my head.
07:18Taking selfies of yourself.
07:22You know Alice, a babysitter who works at Tesco's?
07:26Gina.
07:27Move...
07:27Move...
07:27Down here.
07:29Yeah, and I've touched...
07:29Meet her.
07:30Meet her.
07:31I don't want to...
07:31You arranged to meet her.
07:32She's here.
07:32It's me.
07:33She's been conning you...
07:35Well, no.
07:36In your head.
07:39Get out of here now.
07:40Look, see?
07:41You've lied to too many people in her.
07:43Who's this?
07:44This is Gary.
07:45Who's Gary?
07:46Hello.
07:47Come here up and confront us.
07:49Because I'm fed up with you.
07:50Stop pushing.
07:52Gary, Gary, Gary.
07:52Come on, Gary.
07:53You've got to have told a lie.
07:54You've told me a lie.
07:55You've got to be at my mum in the face.
07:55You've got to tell me when you're coming back.
07:57Outside.
07:58And you're still not turned up.
08:00Hey, we, sit there.
08:01I'm sorry about that, Gary.
08:02Give it a...
08:02Sorry, you don't know the word sorry, mate.
08:04So your mum, Maria, right?
08:06It's his auntie, apparently.
08:08Come on, you've got to answer.
08:09She can't just run away.
08:10See, where's he's come along?
08:11I'm apologising to you, honey.
08:13So he's not good at that.
08:14Come on, I'm apologising to Maria.
08:16Come on, come on, come on.
08:16I'm apologising to Maria.
08:19I'm apologising to Maria.
08:21I'm apologising to Maria.
08:24I'm apologising to Maria.
08:25I don't know if you want a break.
08:27I want to talk to somebody.
08:27The woman you've been...
08:28You can talk to anybody, but the woman that you love...
08:31The woman that you love, OK,
08:34believes that you've been cheating with a girl called Alice
08:36and you've been caught out good and proper
08:38because it was her daughter.
08:39It's called a honey trap.
08:40So why don't you stop lying and tell the truth?
08:43You tell the truth.
08:44I don't know if you work because you don't even work.
08:46Yeah.
08:46You don't have to solve the abandonment thing.
08:48Let's do some messages, shall we, from Alice.
08:50So you've got a pic.
08:51Stephen sent you two pics, OK?
08:53What were the pictures?
08:54I don't know.
08:54He's still in my mum's shrunk room.
08:56Oh, there you are.
08:57That's a picture you sent to her, yeah?
08:58You were in my mum's shrunk room.
09:00I really like you, Alice,
09:01and I mean I want to take you out, hon.
09:02When you get back, OK, I like you.
09:05Why would you send that?
09:06No, no, no, just be quiet a minute.
09:08Who was the lady you were with?
09:09That was my auntie.
09:10Telling me to be quiet.
09:12And if you knew I was well.
09:13Just be quiet.
09:14I think you're fine.
09:15It's my shower and I'm dealing with it.
09:16So shut your mouth or don't one.
09:18Yeah, well, I'm trying to ask you.
09:19Me asking, Marie, what did you do?
09:21No, I haven't got a girlfriend.
09:22Have you got a boyfriend?
09:24I'd like to talk to you.
09:25You're really nice.
09:26Hello?
09:27What's that, darling?
09:27You sent that to Alice, who was Gina.
09:30No, I haven't got a girlfriend.
09:31Have you got a boyfriend?
09:32I'd like to talk to you.
09:33You're really nice.
09:34Any more?
09:35There's loads.
09:35I'm trying to say to you, did you honestly say to you to try and find out for her who
09:41she was?
09:42Yes, she did.
09:43So she did.
09:43So if I go and find her now and ask, let's say to her.
09:45He's banged her, right?
09:46You know that as well as I do, right?
09:48How many messages were there?
09:49360.
09:50He looks about 75.
09:54300 what?
09:5564 messages.
09:56Come on, mate.
09:57You've got to be honest.
09:57You're missing.
09:58She's looking out for her mother.
10:00He's looking out for his missus.
10:01I've seen that.
10:02You've been online.
10:03I know how you feel, Gina.
10:04Do me a favour.
10:06We're going to go to a break.
10:07We're going to get the lady you say you love over here.
10:09And you can either tell her the truth or apologise or run off like a little boy.
10:13I'm right back.
10:13Don't go anywhere.
10:14Are you trying to meet Alice Teskin?
10:16No, I'm not meeting Alice Teskin.
10:17But you did agree to meet her, didn't you?
10:21And I was pregnant, Gina.
10:22Look at her.
10:23Really?
10:24I like you, Alice.
10:25And I mean, I want to take you out.
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11:05Thank you very much to me.
11:07Welcome.
11:07That was the first before the break.
11:08So you have been going out with her mum, Maria, for four or five months.
11:12But you, the daughter, Gina, you didn't trust him.
11:16You thought there was something dodgy.
11:17So you thought you'd do a catfish throat honey trap.
11:19You set up a fake profile online.
11:20A girl called Alice Spencer who works at Tesco's.
11:23And he fell for it hook, line and sinker.
11:24You're a bit of a weasel though, aren't you?
11:26No.
11:26The lady that you love.
11:27Can you be, is your mother here, please?
11:29Can we get the, Maria, are you here?
11:41I do care about you, Maria.
11:43No, she can't.
11:44I know, she can't.
11:45I do care about you.
11:46You know what I'm going for next Wednesday.
11:48I know, I know.
11:49And I, and I do care.
11:51You chatted up another woman.
11:53It's not worth it is.
11:54It's not worth him.
11:55He's a weasel.
11:56Did Gina tell you what she was doing, Maria?
11:59Yeah, five weeks ago.
12:00How does it make you feel?
12:02Annoyed.
12:04Sorry.
12:04£400 I spent on you.
12:06Excuse me.
12:06I bought you new clothes.
12:08I know.
12:08Sorry.
12:08Can we please, can we please, before I lose it, could you just be quiet?
12:12Oi.
12:13Look at me.
12:14I'm listening.
12:15What have you got to apologise for?
12:17Everything.
12:18What?
12:18Don't say a word.
12:19What have you done?
12:20Nothing.
12:22Are you trying to meet Alice Spencer at Tesco?
12:25No, I'm not meeting Alice Spencer.
12:25But you did agree to meet her, didn't you?
12:28I've got a minute.
12:29Let me put one straight.
12:30Maria, can you ask Maria this question?
12:32No, I'm asking you, you duplicitous little whatever.
12:36Did you...
12:37Oi, did you arrange to meet her?
12:39Yes, and Maria knew about it.
12:41Maria, did you know about this?
12:42No.
12:42She did, because...
12:43No, she didn't.
12:44Oh, I tell you what, just go, I'm in a wheelchair, just go and meet some bird from Tesco.
12:47You said you were going to a redundant man.
12:50Why did you want to talk to me on my own?
12:51And you never went.
12:53You went to meet Alice because I was in the messaging.
12:55Excuse me.
12:56Excuse me, go that way.
12:56You want to talk to me on my own, come with me.
12:58Excuse me, out the way.
12:59Come on, come on, come on.
13:00Where do you want to go?
13:00Out here on the stage?
13:01No.
13:01You're telling me which...
13:04I've got a laptop back...
13:07I've got a laptop backstage, you might like to use it.
13:12What?
13:14Nothing.
13:15What do you mean, nothing?
13:16Hang on, let me talk.
13:17Right.
13:18Okay.
13:20I talk...
13:20Because I said to Maria, yeah?
13:23Forget Maria.
13:24No, I said to Maria, I said, this is Sally Spencer, person, asking who you are, and she never knew
13:29who she was at first.
13:30So I've done the colonists, my heart, to get my own pills back, to infest again.
13:33Didn't understand a word of what you just said.
13:35Because of my accent, that's right.
13:36It's not your accent.
13:37You went to meet this woman because...
13:39But she never showed up.
13:41Because Maria asked you.
13:42Now, she knew, because I said to her, I said, who's this Alice, yeah?
13:47Sorry, why would you ask...
13:48This is the bit that doesn't...
13:49Well, it makes perfect sense to anybody with one brain cell.
13:52Well, you thought you'd met somebody else behind your girlfriend's back.
13:57For you, unfortunately, that turned out to be your girlfriend's daughter.
14:01It's called a catfish, it's called a honey trap.
14:04If it never...
14:04The truth is, you were happy and willing to meet this woman...
14:08To find out who she was.
14:10Do you mean to find out who she was?
14:12What are you talking about?
14:13You're a liar.
14:14I'm not a liar at all.
14:15Excuse me.
14:16Oh, God.
14:17About you, my mum's told you to do things.
14:19You know that poor woman has had two strokes and she's got bad health.
14:23And her memory is not as good as it is in mine and yours.
14:26And I respect that, Gina.
14:27Excuse me.
14:28Really, I like you, Alice, and I mean I want to take you out.
14:30As a friend.
14:32Did you ask him...
14:34He's a liar.
14:35Did you ask him to go and meet somebody called Alice?
14:38No.
14:39Well, do you remember when I told you about this, Alice?
14:41Do you remember that?
14:43I know...
14:44I know it's very...
14:44Yeah, I remember you telling that.
14:46Seriously, get rid of him, because he's doing my editing.
14:48I want to do this.
14:49And I don't interfere in my problems.
14:51I can sort them out myself.
14:52Can you tell me the first time...
14:54Even if I wanted to do that, Jeremy.
14:55What's the first thing?
14:56I'm not my ex, because Jeremy's met my ex.
14:58Yeah, I know.
14:58We can't keep talking about the ex.
15:00We're talking about this situation, right?
15:04I've never cheated on you.
15:06I know, I know.
15:06I've always been with Gina and Gary.
15:08They take me out on my scooter.
15:10I can't get out the front door.
15:12I know, you can't.
15:12I can't do nothing.
15:13You know I can't do nothing anymore.
15:14Do you love this, Van?
15:15You feel betrayed, though?
15:16I did love him.
15:17But you feel betrayed?
15:18No, I feel betrayed.
15:19No one wants me.
15:21That's not true, Nick.
15:22That's not true.
15:23That's not true.
15:24You did betray her.
15:25Come on, he's not working.
15:26What are you back for now?
15:28To support my cousin, thank you.
15:32Who's your cousin?
15:33Marie.
15:33Thought she was your girlfriend.
15:34You used to go out with Gina, didn't you?
15:36Used to.
15:37Oh, right, used to.
15:37I'm so sorry.
15:38And she's your cousin?
15:40My third cousin, yeah.
15:41Third cousin.
15:42So you used to go out with your first cousin?
15:44Third.
15:45Third?
15:47Why have you got an attitude on?
15:48I haven't.
15:49I'm just telling you, the third cousin.
15:51I was just fed up with his lies, to be honest.
15:53Yeah, well, I think, I think there's a...
15:54Can I do the lie, detective, before I decide to kill myself?
15:57Would that be all right?
15:58Thank you very much.
15:59But I do care for you, Mum, Gina.
16:01You know that.
16:02I really do care.
16:04Who's it?
16:04Any confessions before I do this?
16:07Any confessions?
16:08No, Jeremy.
16:09Since the start of your relationship with Maria, have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
16:13No.
16:13Sorry?
16:14No.
16:14He said no.
16:16And that's the truth.
16:16And he's lying.
16:17He was telling the truth.
16:18No, I swear he didn't answer the truth.
16:20No, no, no, no, no.
16:21He's telling the truth.
16:21Just wait.
16:22Listen to the test.
16:23Can I do it, Mike?
16:24What is wrong with you?
16:25I'm just telling her to listen to the test.
16:26Since the start of your relationship with Maria, have you had sexual contact with anybody else?
16:30You said no.
16:30Do you want to fill in the gaps, Gary?
16:32No.
16:32He was telling the truth.
16:34In fact, blow me down.
16:36And that's not a thing you should say in the middle of a catfish story.
16:39It doesn't make any difference, but he passed every single question.
16:42The truth is, before the audience makes that ridiculous noise, this slime ball thought he'd met a younger woman from
16:48Tesco's, maybe from the deli counter.
16:50I've got no idea.
16:51Where did she work, Elizabeth?
16:52Tesco.
16:52Yes, but what counter?
16:54I don't know.
16:54Fish, fruit, newspapers, veg, whatever.
16:58He was chatting up another bird behind your back.
17:01Now, I know.
17:01Look at me.
17:02I know what a hard time you've had.
17:04And I know that when you have a hard time, sometimes we are attracted to or allow ourselves to be
17:08with people who aren't good enough.
17:10If this guy can do what he's done once with your daughter pretending to be somebody else, he can undoubtedly
17:14do it again.
17:15And however depressing that is to hear.
17:17This is the sort of man who plies his trade online, because, let's be perfectly honest, that's how people like
17:22him pull women.
17:23You deserve better than that, but only you can make a decision.
17:26That's the truth, isn't it?
17:29I have to get out of here.
17:31I'm with these two massively.
17:32What are you going to do?
17:34What are you going to do?
17:36I don't know.
17:37I honestly don't know.
17:39We can talk to him about it, can't we?
17:40That's my line, Gary.
17:46Gary.
17:46Gary.
17:47Ask her if she wants to speak to Graham and the team.
17:50Do you know what, Gary?
17:51No, you do it, Gary.
17:52I don't want to do it anymore.
17:53You do it.
17:54Go on, Gary.
17:54You ask.
17:55Gary, ask.
17:56Seriously, ask.
17:57Go round the front.
17:58Come on.
17:58Go round the front.
17:59Come here.
17:59Go on, Gary.
18:00Right, sit down there.
18:02Right, sit down.
18:03Hold that.
18:05Just say, ready, what?
18:06Will you sit with Graham and the aftercare team and try and find some common ground?
18:09You say that.
18:10Will you sit with Graham and the after team and find some common ground?
18:13Yeah.
18:13Will you?
18:15Is it all right if I go to a break?
18:17Give him a round of applause.
18:18Let's see over there.
18:21Very soon, I will become a redundant concept.
18:24I'll be replaced by a guest.
18:26Coming next on that stage, if I'm allowed, lie detector results.
18:29Back in a minute.
18:31You were texting your ex.
18:32No, I wasn't.
18:33She swore my parents' ashes.
18:34A bit of me thinks no one would do that, would they?
18:37You know?
18:40Jillian pushed Louise, your daughter, out of a window.
18:42I don't know how that comes to be.
18:44She shouldn't blame herself to lie, A-fold.
18:51Have you been accused of cheating?
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19:26Welcome back.
19:27My next guest today, Ollie, is here to find out if his girlfriend at eight years has cheated.
19:30Now, he claims that Carly has even locked him out of the house because she had another man upstairs.
19:36He says that he's 100% sure that she will fail the test.
19:38And when she does, their eight-year relationship, he says, at this moment, will be over for good.
19:43Ollie is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
19:54It's easy, isn't it?
19:54They sit there and I sit here and we have to every now and then think, well, hold on a
19:58minute.
19:59This is your life.
19:59And it's not just a short-term relationship.
20:01Been with Carly for eight years, two kids.
20:03Yeah.
20:04Two beautiful kids.
20:05Yeah, definitely.
20:06But it has to be said that you wouldn't be on the Jeremy Kyle show if everything was Rosie Ink
20:09Garden, right?
20:10No, mate, that's all right.
20:11Let's talk about this relationship.
20:13How did you meet?
20:15Speak as clearly as she can, pal.
20:17Just thought of me.
20:18It was years and years ago.
20:19I was over the moon when she fell pregnant with my son.
20:21I couldn't have been happier.
20:23When did it start to unravel in your own mind?
20:26What, this?
20:27The relationship, yeah.
20:28Because it sounds great to now.
20:30She's beautiful, the love of your life.
20:31You have kids, everything's good.
20:32You used to work nights, didn't you?
20:34Yeah, mate, yeah.
20:35Yeah.
20:36And?
20:36I always come home from work in the morning and always think that there's someone when I was away at
20:42night.
20:42Why?
20:44People tell you stuff?
20:45Yeah, in the name of us.
20:46They used to say things, yeah.
20:47I know it's difficult, but as clearly as you can.
20:50Yeah.
20:50A lot of people, if this helps you, a lot of people come out here with this sort of story
20:54and they don't have proof.
20:56They just go, you know what, it's in my gut.
20:58And people out there will tell you that sometimes your gut is actually the most trustworthy thing.
21:03What's this about you being locked out of the house?
21:06I had come home from work one lunchtime and the door was locked.
21:09And I knocked on the door.
21:11She opened the window upstairs.
21:13And then five minutes later, she eventually come down and let me in.
21:17And I went in the kitchen, had me lunch and that, and I heard someone cough.
21:20I thought it was outside the front door.
21:22Why didn't you go upstairs?
21:23I thought it was outside the front door.
21:24I stood right next to the front.
21:25The kitchen was right at the front door.
21:28Tearing you to bits, isn't it?
21:29She acted all weird.
21:30And I didn't think nothing of it until I got halfway back to work.
21:33And then I started thinking about it.
21:34And I thought, nah, she wouldn't do that.
21:38But, yeah.
21:38Then you went back to the house, didn't you?
21:40Nah, nah, nah.
21:41Didn't she block you from going upstairs?
21:43Yeah, when I, when, I didn't, I wasn't even going to go up the stairs.
21:46I went to go to the front door.
21:49But I, you know.
21:50I know there's a theme.
21:51There isn't a theme to this show this morning.
21:52You tried to catch her out as well, didn't you?
21:54We had one already.
21:54Yeah.
21:55What was your, what was your story?
21:56The bloke I thought she was seeing, he was at my house having a drink and he fell asleep.
22:00So I got his phone, I got his phone and started texting her saying if she was interested in him
22:05and things.
22:06And straight away she was like, yeah, but I told you you're with, like, his wife, you know.
22:10So.
22:11Was she in the room when you were doing this?
22:13Nah, she was up at his house with his wife.
22:16And she texted back straight away?
22:18Yeah.
22:19Didn't she say I told you how I felt last night?
22:22Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:22That's it, mate, yeah.
22:24Yeah.
22:25What's this doing to you, pal?
22:26I've had an off, mate.
22:27This was a year ago, mate, you know.
22:29And, er, I wouldn't be on her if I didn't, if I couldn't deal with it on my own.
22:34I read something this morning, and I actually really respect you for being here.
22:37Listen to me.
22:38I read something this morning you said, I feel like a mug, I feel like I've been mugged off.
22:42Yeah, I really do.
22:43I wouldn't, I don't.
22:44Do you love her?
22:45No, I don't think so anymore.
22:47She just swore on my parents.
22:48And I can't handle it now.
22:50That's all.
22:52Sorry.
22:53They're dead, your parents, aren't they?
22:54Yeah.
22:54She swore on their lives, their ashes.
22:56Yeah, yeah, so now that's niggling away at me, so I just want to know.
22:59I think that, no, but now, because we're here, I think this is all in me head.
23:03I think this is all in me head, you know, maybe.
23:05But then, I can't, I'm never going to know unless I do this, am I?
23:11I like you.
23:12I really appreciate you doing that.
23:13I'm doing that.
23:14All right?
23:15Yeah.
23:20Whatever you find out, and I don't know, you're all right.
23:23Yeah, we'll see.
23:23No, no, you are all right.
23:26Carly's on the Jeremy Carle Show that way.
23:34Well, they've judged you already.
23:35Yep.
23:36Welcome to the show.
23:37Important we get both sides.
23:38Been with Ollie for eight years, two kids, six and four.
23:41He is destroying our family with his constant accusations.
23:45Yeah, he is.
23:46Really?
23:46Yeah.
23:47I'll take you five minutes to get from upstairs to downstairs, half-dressed, flustered, and
23:50it was all you had.
23:51He had all the opportunity to go upstairs and check himself.
23:53What?
23:54Did the bloke get out the window?
23:56No, I think he was upstairs.
23:57I do.
23:57You could have gone up there and checked, Ollie.
23:59Have you ever cheated on him?
24:00No, I haven't.
24:00What about texting back a bloke?
24:02Yeah, that was meant for Ollie, not for him.
24:03Well, I'm not with you, right?
24:05I had eight kids to look after.
24:07I was texting Ollie and texting to find out where he and his wife was.
24:10And you went, you know what I told you how I felt yesterday, babe?
24:13True or false?
24:15Yeah, but that was meant for Ollie, not felt.
24:17Why would it be meant for Ollie on somebody else's face?
24:19Because I had two people.
24:20I had texts for him.
24:20You didn't say, babe, you said, I told you how I felt.
24:24You're a bit dodgy, aren't you?
24:25Well, you'll see that I haven't done anything when you get a test back.
24:27All right, let's take it from your point of view.
24:29He is a constant joke to me.
24:31He accuses me of sleeping with all of his mates.
24:33He won't leave me alone.
24:36He, you say, and this is, this is why I said to you,
24:39this is not you, this is because he cheated on you.
24:43I've never cheated on him.
24:45He cheated on you.
24:46Three times that I know about.
24:47Sorry?
24:48Three times that I know about.
24:49Which is why she says you're ultra paranoid.
24:51Have you cheated on her?
24:52No, not what she thinks like.
24:54But you've done stuff with another girl, Ollie.
24:56When we weren't together, Carly.
24:57Hey, we weren't together for months.
24:59And why weren't we together, Carly?
25:00Because I found you texting your ex-boyfriend that you still love him.
25:02That is why.
25:03Ollie, you knew about that, Ollie.
25:06You knew that he told me to see that, Ollie.
25:07So don't make out that I'm telling.
25:09I did the time, didn't I?
25:10I cannot last, even until Christmas with this man.
25:13He's doing my head, and he needs to apologize when I pass this test.
25:17I did not say that.
25:17You just, that's what they even said then.
25:19I cannot last until Christmas with a man who needs to apologize to me.
25:22When I pass this test, 100% I'm innocent.
25:24You're going to pass?
25:25Yeah, I am.
25:25Can I just ask the great British public, my great barometer, turn that camera around.
25:28How many people in this audience believe that this woman is telling the truth, and it's
25:33all in his head?
25:36Five.
25:37How many people think she's a liar?
25:39Oh, you'll all prove wrong, won't you?
25:43Can you give me those results, please?
25:44As ever, the questions that were asked of Carly, the answers that she gave, and whether
25:46she was telling the truth or not.
25:48And for people who think, and the people who criticize the Jeremy Karsher, look at this
25:51man, because he is a coiled spring of emotion, because it matters to him.
25:55You're going to pass?
25:55Yeah, I am.
25:56Look in my eyes a minute.
25:56Yeah, I am.
25:57Telling the truth.
25:58Yes, I am.
26:00She's hard to breathe, mate.
26:01It's not hard at all.
26:02Yeah.
26:03We asked Carly, since the start of your relationship with Ollie, have you passionately kissed anyone
26:06else?
26:07You said no.
26:07Why did you say no, Carly?
26:08Because I've said the truth.
26:09You're a liar, love.
26:10No, I'm not lying.
26:12Just get over straight to the end of it.
26:14Just get straight to the end, yeah?
26:16Yeah.
26:16Since the start of your relationship with Ollie, have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
26:19She said no, because you failed that question as well.
26:21No, I didn't.
26:21In fact, you failed every...
26:24You're a what?
26:25You are a jibib.
26:26Implicitous, shifty, dodgy, lying.
26:28I swore on my kid's life.
26:29You swore on his parents' life.
26:31Yes, please!
26:32You're better.
26:33You are a jibib.
26:35You can't just know that.
26:36You're going to stop.
26:38Do you know who you are?
26:39Eight years.
26:39You're a lot better than her, and you should be a good dad and walk away.
26:44Oh, look at that.
26:45And do you know, sometimes I'm joking, she really expects you to go straight after her and
26:50beg her back.
26:51Just let's talk to her.
26:52Come with me.
26:53No, not beg her.
26:53Let's tell her the truth.
26:54You can do a walk now, because she don't like being found out.
26:57It doesn't matter about the specifics.
26:59You can't get away with the fact she's a chick.
27:01The test came back that she was lying.
27:04Where is she?
27:06Where are you running off to?
27:07Don't like the truth, eh?
27:08I want to do the test again, because I swear to you, I haven't done anything.
27:11I want to do the test again.
27:13You just said my test was rubbish.
27:14Why don't you apologise to the man who's been in bits?
27:16I haven't.
27:17I swear on my kid's life.
27:18I haven't done nothing.
27:19I think you were texting your ex saying you loved him.
27:21No, I wasn't.
27:22No, Olly, I swear on our kid's life, Olly.
27:24I thought we come here.
27:25Olly, do you think I'd really come here?
27:27Are you going to start on me now, are you?
27:28Graham, this man's had a lot to do with us, isn't he?
27:29I've had enough.
27:30I knew she's lying anyway.
27:32I know she's lying to me.
27:33Why'd you stay with her?
27:34If she swore on my parents' ashes, a bit of me thinks no-one would do that, would they?
27:38You know?
27:39If she swore on our kid's lives, do you think she would?
27:43I knew she would the whole time.
27:45Can I tell you something that somebody said to me, please?
27:47The easiest way in the world is to go back or...
27:50No, it ain't.
27:51Being dignified is difficulty, isn't it?
27:53Yeah.
27:54I'm going to help this man.
27:55Can I just get on and see my kids now, please, because she can see them after today.
27:58Yes, she will.
27:59Can I get on to see my kids?
28:00Yes, mate.
28:01You're much better than you think you are, and you will be okay.
28:04Yes.
28:05Graham, who are yours?
28:06Give him a round of applause.
28:08APPLAUSE
28:12Good night to them, right?
28:13My next guest today, Jill, is here to tell the tragic story of her triplet daughters.
28:17Now, Jill says that she will never, ever get over the guilt she feels.
28:20After one daughter, Louise became wheelchair-bound for life,
28:23when another of the triplets, Gillian, pushed her from an open window two years ago.
28:28Jill says it was horrific, utterly horrific,
28:30when history repeated itself, and the third triplet, Kerry, fell from an open window to a death.
28:34This is such a tragic story.
28:37This lady, she's in our green room, has had to deal with one of the triplets who's wheelchair-bound for
28:42life.
28:43One passed away, and one is in prison.
28:45This lady, ugh, has had so much to handle.
28:49Let's just have a brief chat.
28:50There you go.
28:52Erm, I did leave for a few days, you know, to get my head sorted.
28:58OK. Nice to meet you.
28:59All right to jump in there, G?
29:00Yes, OK.
29:01I don't think in ten years I've ever heard a story like this. Triplets...
29:06Erm...
29:07Unexpected.
29:08Now, I'm going to make this point because I think it's very relevant.
29:12You suffered very quickly from a large amount of post-natal depression.
29:19Erm...
29:20Did that hit straight away after the birth?
29:23Erm, it hit a couple of months after.
29:25What happened? They were then brought up by their father?
29:29Yeah, yeah. Two years ago, my two daughters, Gillian and Louise, were in an hostel.
29:34Gillian pushed Louise, your daughter, out of a window. I don't know how that comes to be,
29:38and it's not for us to second-guess that. Louise is here today. Louise is paralysed for life.
29:43Yeah. Which is upsetting to us all because she loves football. You know, she lives for football craze for it,
29:51and she can't do that.
29:52Gillian's in prison?
29:54Yeah.
29:54How long for?
29:55Eight years.
29:56That in itself is horrific enough, but the tragedy got worse with another one of the triplets, Kerry. What happened
30:03to Kerry?
30:04Erm...
30:05She couldn't cope, did she?
30:08She started spiraling down, erm...
30:11Because of what had happened to Louise?
30:12Yeah, what had happened, it did hit us all hard, not just myself, the whole family.
30:19She started drinking?
30:21She just started drinking a lot more, erm...
30:25Drugs?
30:25I'm not sure about taking drugs, but I'd been told she was smoking the odd weed.
30:30Erm...
30:31What happened to she?
30:32Pardon?
30:33What happened to her?
30:34Er, she went out with her boyfriend, er, two mates, they had a few drinks, come back, an argument broke
30:42out.
30:43Apparently she went out with her knife, erm...
30:47He called the police, she went into the bedroom, police got up by...
30:51What time did you do, sir?
30:54Er...
30:55Next time the police got in the room, she was out in the window.
30:59You blame yourself in any way?
31:01Yeah, for not being there.
31:03Not being there at all, I should have asked for help, spoke to someone.
31:08I was 19, young, four young babies.
31:11I'm not saying in any way at all it would be easy.
31:14Erm, interesting, Louise, who is wheelchair bound, and has, and is a big enough girl to say, I've forgiven Gillian.
31:21Yeah, she has forgiven me.
31:22She wants to, to chat briefly with you, is that alright?
31:24Can we...
31:25Yeah, yeah.
31:25Are you happy to come out?
31:26Alright, darling, come on.
31:26Thank you very much, T, come on.
31:27Here we go, let's carry on, let's carry on.
31:36Give a round of applause, guys.
31:38Come on.
31:44Nice to meet you.
31:45Hey, it all right.
31:46Erm, you would be a much better person than me, by anybody's standards.
31:59Erm...
31:59What do you think?
32:00She shouldn't blame herself.
32:02It's not her fault.
32:02What happened?
32:03She wasn't there.
32:04She didn't make her do it.
32:07I know this is going to sound awful, and forgive me, and I've been honest with you as well.
32:11How can you possibly forgive somebody who's confined you to a wheelchair by an act of horrifying violence?
32:20Forgive her, because I just lost my other sister, and I'm not one to hold any anger towards any of
32:26the family, or anything for what she's done.
32:29You go to...
32:30I mean, it is...
32:31I mean, you go...
32:33You go to the hospital, don't you?
32:35To the prison, to visit her, don't you?
32:36I do, yeah.
32:37Yeah.
32:38My God, you're amazing.
32:39What does she say?
32:40Is she regretful?
32:41She's always saying that she's sorry for what she's done.
32:44Every time I visit her, and I say to her, you've got nothing to be sorry for.
32:48It wasn't your fault.
32:49It was an accident, and life's too short.
32:52I've just got to get on with it.
32:54My God, you're amazing.
32:55That is amazing.
32:57One thing, do you...
32:58I'm trying to upset you, because I know you're going to speak to your mum.
33:01Do you think that your sister, what happened to Kerry, happened because of what happened to you?
33:06Do you think she did it herself?
33:08Erm, I think she did it herself, yeah.
33:11Yeah.
33:11What do you want to say to your mum?
33:12It's not your fault.
33:13You've done a good job with us, you know what I mean?
33:15The best you can.
33:16The best you could.
33:16I don't know.
33:18APPLAUSE
33:19You don't, um...
33:22You don't think that, do you?
33:23And I think I've probably changed in 11 years of doing this show, because of course,
33:26initially I would have said, what sort of mother would abandon your kids?
33:30But if you are suffering from post-natal depression, which is a horrific condition,
33:33and nobody should ever underestimate, conditions like that, you can't see anything physical,
33:40but there isn't and hasn't, certainly, how many years ago now, 30 years ago,
33:44there wasn't the knowledge, and there wasn't the research, and there wasn't the understanding,
33:48and there were a... it was a different world, and people were left, and so you needed help.
33:55Erm...
33:55How proud would you be of her, though?
33:57I mean, that's what I'd be thinking.
33:58I'm proud of all my kids.
34:01Every one of them.
34:02APPLAUSE
34:02Very proud of me.
34:06I thought I was tough.
34:08They're tougher than me.
34:10I loved when I read this here, your disability ain't ruining your life.
34:14I would have thought you'd have been sat there spitting feathers at your mother,
34:16and I'm being honest, full of anger and resentment, but then I go back to what I've been taught over
34:21the years,
34:21is that actually the people who have really, really suffered the worst
34:25are the ones who managed somehow to find some forgiveness
34:28because they know that they couldn't move on otherwise, isn't that right?
34:30Yeah, it is, yeah.
34:31I mean, I'm sitting here, and I would be as mad as hell, but you are a better person, like
34:35I said,
34:35so we're going to continue this backstage and we'll see what we can do as well, all right?
34:39And, unbelievable, by a merry mark. Give me a round of applause.
34:44Nice to meet them, good as well. I'm back after this break. Don't go anywhere. Thank you.
34:48She feels sick when she told you.
34:50Well, of course, yeah.
34:50Are you going to go and kill him?
34:52I don't know what, to go round there and smash his teeth in, yeah.
34:55I've got intimacy issues. I'm not as spontaneous as I used to be.
35:01He always told me that if I told anyone, I only had him, and I would lose my family.
35:13Have you been accused of cheating? Do you need to prove your innocence with a lie detector?
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35:48My next guest today, Barry, is here with his wife, Christie.
35:50Now, she was the victim of a paedophile and only recently found the strength to bring this file man to
35:55justice, but not before.
35:57And I know this is just the most ridiculous thing I'll ever say.
36:00She allowed the paedophile to attend her wedding to Barry.
36:05Husband Barry says that even though Christie has finally had the justice she deserved, it's still causing her problems.
36:10And he doesn't want to let what happened to her destroy their relationship.
36:13And he also believes that by telling this story, people will understand the gravity of such a situation.
36:18Barry is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way. Give him a round of applause.
36:28I really appreciate you being here. Take a seat.
36:31I feel like I can cry already.
36:32I know. I know, I know, I know.
36:36I've got to say something to you, actually, Baz.
36:38I said to the production team this morning that I...
36:42This blew me away when I read this story because...
36:45I'm just going to give the top line.
36:50Your wife, Christie, together seven years, married for five.
36:54And when you met her, you knew nothing about this.
36:57But it comes out over time that she was from a young age.
37:02She was, in essence, the victim of a paedophile, George Spooner.
37:10Then I read, she invited, at the age of 23 she was when she married you, George Spooner to her
37:18wedding to you.
37:20And the first thing I think to myself is, oh, my God, that's mad.
37:23But then I realised that the extent of how she'd been conditioned and how she'd been groomed and how her
37:28mind had been warped by this vile human being.
37:32Let's just talk about you.
37:34Um, you told my team that the moment you met her, you knew that she was the one.
37:41Yeah.
37:43You know, it was an instant attraction to each other.
37:46Um, you know, you can feel a spark with someone, just can talk to them easily.
37:51Well, like to her, she like me, we just hit off.
37:53When did you find out about George Spooner, how long, how long into the relationship?
37:56Um, it wasn't until after we delivered, um, wedding invites.
38:06This is what I can't get my head round.
38:08You and she decide to get married.
38:10Yeah.
38:11And you and she go to his house.
38:13This is a man who physically, sexually abused your future wife.
38:17Well, I didn't know that.
38:18No, I'm just saying, and she takes you there and then take this story up.
38:22You say, I met George and I instantly knew at that doorstep something was wrong. Why?
38:29Just his mannerism.
38:30The way he spoke to her.
38:34Was she scared? Could you see her?
38:37Like, yeah, like your, your hackles come up or your shackles, whatever you want to call it.
38:43It was just the way he...
38:44Did you bring that up with her when you got home?
38:45Um, of course, yeah, she, it's like I say, he, she, we knocked on the door.
38:50We had our, had our children with us.
38:52It was basically, we was just going to deliver invites that we didn't need to post because my parents...
38:59I've got to ask her, why would she invite him?
39:03Um...
39:03In your mind, I'll ask her, but you...
39:05Because you didn't react great, did you?
39:08Tell them what you did.
39:10Um, we rowed about it.
39:13I wasn't, well, but it caused a bit of a wedge between us and...
39:17You left, didn't you?
39:17I ended up going back to my parents for a little while.
39:20Not proud of that, but...
39:21But real, because you wanted to kill him.
39:24Were you upset that she hadn't told you when you first met her?
39:29Not when you first met her, because I suppose she's never told nobody.
39:33How can I be upset that she didn't tell me when she first met her?
39:36Because you don't...
39:37Never told her parents?
39:38Never told her parents?
39:39No, you can't tell people stuff like that until you get to know them and you're confident and you can
39:43trust them, so...
39:44I really like you, and I have to say, and I mean this, I just...
39:49The fact you can be as controlled as you have, and you made a really good point there, she hadn't
39:53ever told anybody, so...
39:54But you knew, that tells me that you loved her instantly, but you knew there was something weird.
39:59Something weird about...
40:00It was just his mannerisms.
40:01You felt sick when she told you?
40:02Well, of course, yeah.
40:02You want to go and kill him?
40:04I want to go round there and smash his teeth in, yeah.
40:08In terms of your relationship with her, it's been affected by this, hasn't it?
40:12Of course.
40:13How?
40:15I suppose, like, intimacy issues.
40:18I'm not as spontaneous as I used to be.
40:23I can't...
40:25In certain words, terms, I wouldn't say to her, because I know that he said it to her.
40:32I want my Christy back during the tale that man was smiling and grinning from the dot.
40:39George Spooner, that vile creature who's...
40:42Was found guilty in July this year of two indecent assaults and three counts of rape.
40:49And I'm actually going to stand up and cheer that piece of whatever was jailed for 18 years, an additional
40:56five years on now.
41:04I love your honesty.
41:06I'm going to get her out.
41:08Brave lady.
41:10I was told by my rapist I should marry him instead of my husband.
41:13One L of a brave lady.
41:15Christy's on the Jeremy Carr show, that one.
41:17Give her out.
41:29How are you?
41:31OK.
41:32Thank you so much for coming on.
41:34Have you ever heard him talk about how he feels?
41:37Erm...
41:38Not really.
41:39We, erm...
41:41We don't talk about it.
41:42You amaze me.
41:45Erm...
41:45You told nobody?
41:47No.
41:48Why?
41:49He always told me that if I told anyone I'd...
41:52I only had him, and I would lose my family.
41:55And ultimately, he was right, because even when I spoke out, I lost my family.
42:02Why?
42:04Erm...
42:04They couldn't deal with it.
42:06And...
42:07We have to be very careful, because they're not here, but...
42:10Erm...
42:10Your husband, Barry, has found it very difficult, but instantly knew something was wrong.
42:17Was there a sense...
42:18Was there any sense of relief when you were able to be honest with Barry?
42:22Erm...
42:22Not initially.
42:24Erm...
42:25The...
42:25When I told him initially, it was one line, and it was through anger.
42:30He'd said that he thought I'd slept with him, and that comment was so painful that it was a snap
42:39reaction.
42:40It was anger that I snapped back.
42:41Was he a family friend, this piece of whatever?
42:43He was...
42:44Yeah, he went to school with my stepdad.
42:46The first memory I can remember is when I was nine.
42:49He started sexually assaulting me at that age.
42:51He told me that nobody would love me apart from him, and that I'd be alone if I ever got
42:57him into trouble.
42:58He assaulted me practically every single day.
43:02For times, yeah.
43:04How many years?
43:05Erm...
43:05I was nine when I got my first clear memory, but it was really normal at nine, so however many
43:11years before...
43:12Why'd you give him a wedding invitation? Were you terrified of him?
43:14Not of him, no.
43:17Erm...
43:18I was never petrified of him.
43:20I was petrified of everything that surrounded it.
43:25You know, the fact that he had manipulated my family in such a way that I felt like they already
43:30hated me.
43:30How did you feel when Barry left you when he found out?
43:37That was everything that...
43:39George had said.
43:41Yeah, I had no one.
43:43I remember standing in my kitchen.
43:45I had my two children.
43:48Erm...
43:49They were the only thing that kept me alive during that time.
43:54Erm...
43:55You two love each other enormously, don't you?
43:58Have you had no help at all?
44:00Why?
44:04Erm...
44:04Because we found...
44:06I'm too stubborn.
44:07We found it easier just to...
44:10Just try and carry on with my life.
44:11But then you're here. Why'd you come here?
44:14Erm...
44:15It was picked up by the press.
44:17Erm...
44:17After he was sentenced.
44:19And...
44:20I don't think that they'd done it justice.
44:24Erm...
44:24They put it on the internet and I was trolled.
44:28Erm...
44:29And...
44:30Nine.
44:30Sexually assaulted and some...
44:33Trolled.
44:35And they just said such awful things that...
44:37They're basically sad muppets who sit in dark rooms with no family,
44:41who have nothing better to do and don't deserve any respect from anybody ever.
44:44Trust me.
44:48Do you want to, erm...
44:50Do you want to set the record straight today?
44:52What do you want to say?
44:55Erm...
44:56That...
44:57These people, they don't just...
44:58It's not just necessarily the child they target.
45:01It's the whole situation.
45:03It's the whole...
45:04It's everybody that surrounds them.
45:05They manipulate.
45:06Yeah.
45:07Everybody.
45:08And everything.
45:09And they get the children or child or whatever to trust them in such a way.
45:14And believe that they really do have nothing except this.
45:18It is the same as mental abuse of an adult.
45:22Nobody will want you.
45:23You're ugly.
45:24You're going to stay there because I'm probably out cheating.
45:27That's...
45:27It's exactly the same.
45:29Yeah.
45:29You said one of the saddest things I think I've read actually.
45:32You said to one of my team that your wedding day was one of the saddest days of my life.
45:36It was the worst day of my life.
45:38Why?
45:38But with the best outcome.
45:40Why?
45:40Because George was there.
45:42He was the last face I saw before I walked down the aisle.
45:45Can I make a suggestion at the risk of you disagreeing with me?
45:50Oh, my God.
45:52Oh, my God.
45:52That picture makes me feel sick.
45:54Can I make a suggestion?
45:56I really believe that you two need real help together and separately and that will be given to you as
46:04much as you need from this show with Graham and the team.
46:06I promise you that.
46:07Because I believe in you.
46:08I need to...
46:14I think you need to deal with this in the right way.
46:17I think it's absolutely outrageous that you've had to deal with this from a young age with little or no
46:22support.
46:24And then you know what you should do, don't you?
46:27Renew your vows.
46:27You should do it again.
46:28You should renew your vows and you should do it with the people you want at the place you want
46:32with your kids.
46:33And you should build that memory and have those photos and wipe that piece.
46:38Listen, you should be doing something else.
46:41You should be applauded by a whole...
46:45By everybody for one thing.
46:47You said, I decided to speak out with Barry's strength and I got him sentenced to a total of 23
46:54years.
46:55I can finally breathe.
46:56Somebody once told me that it's very easy for people not involved to get angry and things.
47:01He's languishing in jail.
47:03Anybody who doesn't realise now which side their bread's buttered ain't worth knowing anyway.
47:07You've got a great man and a great family.
47:10And we, I promise you, will help you.
47:12And then I think you can move forward and renew those vows and get on with your life.
47:15Because this guy ain't worth Jack, seriously, right?
47:22We have to learn to talk.
47:25Sorry?
47:26We have to learn to talk and we will help you do that with Graham's help.
47:29Is that alright?
47:30It's a real pleasure to meet you.
47:31Give him a round of applause.
47:32We're going that way.
47:33Thank you, my friend.
47:34We're going all right.
47:35Thanks, Graham.
47:36We'll go after you soon.
47:39Nice couple.
47:40We'll help them and let you know I'm out of time again.
47:42If you want to be here, you need my help, visit our website.
47:44The details are on screen.
47:45To my guests, to this audience and to you four watching at home.
47:47I'll see you very soon.
47:48Take care.
47:48Bye-bye for now.
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