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00:00On today's show, did you find out that your daughter at 15 is using heroin?
00:06Zina was in a relationship and then she met Louise.
00:09She's enabled your daughter's habit to continue.
00:12Why would she do that if she loves her and she knows it's killing her?
00:15You've got to be able to do it for yourself, haven't you?
00:16You can't do it for anyone else.
00:17So you're happy to do £54,000 on heroin and kill yourself, are you?
00:21I just spent all that money.
00:23How much have you spent?
00:24How do you know?
00:24How are you getting heroin?
00:25It's easy.
00:26It's easy.
00:26It's easy.
00:28Listen.
00:29Listen.
00:29Listen.
00:30Listen.
00:33Listen.
00:40Why is it all my fault?
00:41I'll tell you what this is.
00:44This is you.
00:45Do you know what this is?
00:46What?
00:46This is the truth.
00:47She doesn't want to face up to this.
00:50And if you two love her, you need to stop having a go at me and deal with her.
00:53Come and meet her.
00:55I'm going to go.
00:55I'm going to go.
00:57I'm going to go.
01:08I'm going to go.
01:23I'm going to go.
02:02I'm going to go.
02:06I'm going to go.
02:07I'm going to go.
02:08You and primarily your daughter, Zena.
02:11Yeah.
02:12Just imagine this.
02:12You find out that your daughter at 15 is using heroin.
02:16I was devastated.
02:17How do you deal with that?
02:19It's been very hard.
02:22It's broke my heart.
02:23You talk about losing your beautiful daughter.
02:26What's that like as a mother?
02:29It's heart-wrenching.
02:31You can't...
02:32Unless you're going through it, you really can't describe...
02:36And you've reached a point of desperation.
02:38...with yourself, your little girl hurts her knee.
02:41You feel hurt, don't you?
02:43But when you see your daughter dying in front of you...
02:45Yes, your daughter.
02:47When you look at her now, what do you think?
02:49Of you?
02:53She's beautiful.
02:54But she's not as beautiful as she is.
02:58Without...
02:59You're scared of losing her?
03:02Definitely.
03:03I'm losing her.
03:07She's had that much money given her.
03:09Well, I want to bring it on to this because this is central to this story.
03:13I mean, you've talked to my team about how she's stolen from you and done all sorts of things.
03:17But she's in a relationship married to Louise.
03:21Yes.
03:21And one of the big things that I said in that introduction was that...
03:24What you and the family feel very strongly about Louise is that she has enabled...
03:30It's a word I remember once...
03:32Well, learning the first time in America.
03:34She's enabled your daughter's habit to continue.
03:37What do you mean by that?
03:39Well...
03:40Zina was in a relationship and then she met Louise.
03:44And Louise has just constantly told her about this money she was getting.
03:48She had £54,000.
03:51Sorry.
03:51£54,000.
03:52She had £54,000?
03:53Yes.
03:54As an inheritance?
03:55Yes.
03:56You know the truth?
03:57That's all gone, isn't it?
03:59As far as I know, yeah.
04:00Why would she do that if she loves her and she knows it's killing her?
04:04I don't know.
04:05We've had our ups and downs, me and Louise.
04:08I've tried with her.
04:09But she's such hard work.
04:11There's no getting through to her.
04:12What, is she a control freak?
04:13Is she controlling your daughter?
04:15Yeah.
04:15But if you love somebody, why would you buy them drugs?
04:18I'd like the answer myself.
04:21Because I have...
04:22Do you think your daughter is with Louise because she provides her with the drugs?
04:27Yeah.
04:27Do you?
04:28Yeah.
04:28And perhaps the flip question would be,
04:31what, Louise purports to love your daughter?
04:33What, does she prefer it off her face?
04:35Yeah.
04:36She must...
04:37Who are you?
04:37Sorry, mate.
04:39So, Zena's brother.
04:41Yes, mate.
04:41It's a symbiotic relationship.
04:43Louise needs to be needed and Zena needs Louise for the drugs.
04:48Simple as.
04:48So they feed each other?
04:49Yes.
04:50Yeah.
04:51What's today about, from your point of view?
04:53I just need my daughter.
04:56I just want her back to...
04:57Do you think if she wasn't under the control,
04:59you talk about the symbiotic relationship,
05:00do you think if she wasn't under the control of Louise,
05:02that she would be more able to look clearly at what needs to be done?
05:06Because...
05:06Yeah.
05:07She's stolen from you.
05:08She's committed crime.
05:09She is...
05:10Ladies and gentlemen,
05:10I mean, it's one of the worst cases we've certainly had.
05:13But there's almost this denial that I'm all right,
05:16I'm with Louise,
05:17Louise cuts her off from everybody,
05:19that's it, right?
05:20Yeah.
05:22Louise, she's...
05:23Do you think she can ever get off the drugs
05:25while she's still married to Louise?
05:26No.
05:27Not at all?
05:28We've tried.
05:28I mean, it's not just Louise, though.
05:30We have tried with Zina,
05:31but Zina now needed it,
05:32and she asked to come and stay at my house
05:35to do a cold turkey for three weeks,
05:38and then it never happened.
05:40So you think this girl is controlling her?
05:42She's used the money as a tool to entice her?
05:45Yeah.
05:45She runs the whole shebang.
05:46But actually, your daughter,
05:48who you're concerned...
05:48I'm going to be really honest,
05:49she said to us this morning,
05:50it will only end up in one way,
05:52and that's with her dead.
05:53This girl is not helping at all.
05:54That's what today's about, yeah?
05:56Let's get Louise on the Jeremy Carr show.
05:57She comes that way.
06:10You look nice.
06:11You all right?
06:12Yeah.
06:13You all right?
06:14You look nice.
06:14Yeah, thank you.
06:15You all right?
06:16Why would you spend £54,000 on your wife
06:19to have drugs if you love her?
06:20I like the way you say that.
06:21What do you want me to do?
06:22No, that's right.
06:23I agree with what you're saying.
06:24Well, why'd you do it?
06:25Right.
06:26If you love somebody,
06:27surely you'd help them get off the drugs.
06:28You'd spend the money on a rehab
06:29so she wouldn't kill herself.
06:31Well, say you agree with it.
06:32It's not the answer.
06:33Right.
06:34When I met Zina,
06:35I didn't know she had this problem.
06:36How long?
06:37I was seeing her for about three months,
06:40just as friends.
06:41Then we admitted we liked each other.
06:42I'm not bothered about that.
06:43Why?
06:43You inherited this money, yes or no?
06:45Yeah, I sold a house.
06:46Why would you buy your wife drugs
06:48when you know it's killing her?
06:50I agree with that,
06:51but I act the only one...
06:51You keep saying I agree?
06:52I act the only one that pays for Zina's drugs.
06:55I'm asking you.
06:57Why?
06:57Because I love her,
06:58because you can't stand there
06:59and watch somebody climb the walls.
06:59Then why don't you pay for her
07:01to go to rehab and get clean
07:02so her life will be all right?
07:03It doesn't make any sense.
07:04Yeah, I agree with that.
07:06One second.
07:07You're going to simply...
07:08You're going to answer this
07:09by saying I agree with you.
07:10Zina will tell you
07:11that she's always said
07:12that rehab is a false environment.
07:13Mike asked her to come on this show
07:15before and she said no.
07:16She didn't want it.
07:16I'll tell you about that, shall I?
07:18Because you're talking
07:18the BS that you just called out now.
07:20I'll bring Mike in
07:21because I read this this morning.
07:22I think this is actually
07:23one of the most extraordinary things
07:25I've ever heard.
07:26We tried to get,
07:27because Zina wanted,
07:28her to be on this show before.
07:30True or false?
07:31Yeah, but Mike tried
07:33to get Zina to come on before, yeah.
07:34You could speak up.
07:35Do you know why
07:36it didn't happen, Mike?
07:39No, it didn't happen
07:40because your wife
07:41exaggerated her illnesses,
07:43didn't she?
07:43I don't know.
07:44She exaggerated...
07:44Well, you're telling me now,
07:45and you can just sit there
07:46and smile.
07:47She exaggerated
07:48what was wrong with her.
07:49She exaggerated
07:50that was the medical problem
07:51so it wasn't something
07:52that we could do
07:53at that time.
07:54And then it turned out,
07:55Michael,
07:55that that was a lie,
07:56which says to me
07:57that she didn't want to be here
07:59and they think that's you.
08:00You've got to speak.
08:01You told my team
08:02she controls your daughter.
08:04I don't, Zina does what she wants.
08:05Well, talk to her, mate,
08:06because that's what I was told.
08:07Zina does what she wants.
08:08She does, but she hasn't
08:09since she's been with you
08:10all the reasons.
08:11Right, but you do, right?
08:12But when I know
08:13if that money's...
08:13I need to come on the show.
08:14Because I want her
08:15to come on the show.
08:16You lied, though.
08:18Excuse me.
08:19I was like, you did lie.
08:20No, I didn't lie.
08:21Yes, she did.
08:21I wasn't ready to come on it.
08:23I wasn't ready.
08:24What do you mean you weren't ready?
08:25What, because she wouldn't allow you to?
08:26Well, you've got to be able
08:27to do it for yourself, haven't you?
08:28You can't do it for anyone.
08:29So you're happy to do
08:30£54,000 on heroin
08:32and kill yourself, are you?
08:33I just spent all that money, yeah.
08:35How much of you spent?
08:36How do you know?
08:36How much?
08:36How do you know?
08:37How much of it did you spend?
08:38Yeah, a few grand, yeah.
08:39Why?
08:40Why?
08:41Why would you do that?
08:42I've got an addiction,
08:43that's why.
08:44Yeah, but nobody's ever told you
08:47the truth.
08:47Your wife wipes your backside
08:48and your mother wipes your...
08:50Hey, I've told my wife...
08:52Yeah, so why are you getting angry with me?
08:54Listen to me.
08:56Listen to me.
08:58Listen to me.
08:58Why are you coming out of the news?
09:00Why are you coming out of the news?
09:01Because do you know what you...
09:01No, because what's going on?
09:03She's a bit.
09:03Do you know she'll never tell you
09:04what you've done to her
09:05and how you've broken everybody's heart?
09:07I know what she's done.
09:08I know.
09:08I've just lost my...
09:09I don't need you.
09:10I don't need you.
09:11I don't need you.
09:11It was all...
09:12It was all...
09:14That's me.
09:15Isn't the grand...
09:16...told of funeral fund money, Paul, wasn't it?
09:19No, she never...
09:20I'm serious.
09:22You're talking to me.
09:23You're talking to me.
09:25You're talking to me.
09:26I'm sorry.
09:28Did you steal the funeral fund money?
09:30Did you steal the funeral fund money?
09:32She never told me.
09:33Why don't you tell my team she did then?
09:35Because I'm dead, she is.
09:36You told my team she stole the funeral fund money.
09:39Yes, she did.
09:39Listen, if we can't blow myself on what I said, Jeremy.
09:42But if I'm told one thing...
09:44I'm here to sort it out.
09:45Why are you with the woman who agrees to pay money?
09:47I'm not talking to you.
09:48Why would you be with her?
09:50If your wife was on the gear, yeah?
09:53Yeah.
09:53You would do everything.
09:53You'd see it.
09:54I would not put my hand in my pocket.
09:57I'd march her to rehab.
09:59I've moved her out of the area where she was going with all the drug users and the dealers.
10:03Answer me this.
10:03Would you be with her if she didn't buy you drugs?
10:05Quick question.
10:06You'd still be with her.
10:07Yes.
10:07But does she buy you drugs?
10:08Yes.
10:09Do you think that is making you...
10:10But Zena's mum does the same.
10:12We all do.
10:13One minute.
10:14So don't cast the finger.
10:14We all do the same.
10:16You've done it as well.
10:16Well, you've done it as well.
10:17I sat on stage with you and I just said...
10:19We've all done it to our pet.
10:19We've all done it to our pet.
10:20...and pounds.
10:21She stole more than I've had to give out.
10:23It was me and Zena that helped with Nana's funeral bills.
10:25But I've also been to the drug dealers banging on the doors.
10:27You've paid for her drugs as well.
10:28I did.
10:29Yeah.
10:29A long time ago.
10:30And Zena's mum has dealt drugs to support Zena.
10:32Can you shut up?
10:32Can you shut up?
10:34Can you shut up?
10:35No, I'm telling you the truth, you want to know.
10:37We've all done mistakes that we didn't want to do.
10:39Sorry.
10:39Can you do me a favour?
10:39We've all done it.
10:40What did she just say?
10:41Because this.
10:42You know, when you had a gun, you don't know.
10:45We've all done it.
10:45Let me tell you something.
10:46Let me tell you something.
10:47This is what I want you to listen to.
10:49Because when I read the story this morning, I thought we'll have the usual thing, right?
10:52We'll have the usual thing.
10:53And then I heard, and you might like this.
10:54Quite possibly, ladies and gentlemen, the worst thing I've ever heard in ten years.
10:58What did she just say to you?
10:59What did she just say to you?
11:01No, no, no.
11:02Can you do me a favour?
11:03Because my team are up here with you doing this.
11:05Be quiet.
11:05No, no, no, no.
11:07No, no, no, this is coming out whether you like this or not.
11:10You came out here and you...
11:11Can you be quiet?
11:13Why don't you give it a rest?
11:14She's done it to help her daughter.
11:15Can't you see that?
11:15Because it's called the Jeremy Kyle Show.
11:17Can you see that?
11:19This is important.
11:20This is important.
11:21This is important.
11:22Be quiet.
11:23Just sit down a minute, though.
11:24I do not, in any way, accept what I read about you is helping your daughter.
11:28And I'm going to nail it straight away.
11:30So, without anybody interrupting, not only did you give her money for drugs...
11:33Yeah, you've got no way to start disrespecting her and talking to her like...
11:37What is my mum?
11:39Would you like me to come along and speak to your mum like that?
11:41Has your mother bought you drugs?
11:44Yeah.
11:45Has your mother bought you drugs?
11:47Your wife just said the word dealt.
11:49Say it.
11:50Say yes.
11:51Have you dealt drugs, by the way?
11:53Have you dealt drugs?
11:54Yes.
11:54Right.
11:54Now, hear me out.
11:55You've dealt drugs.
11:57So, apart from giving your daughter drugs, you have actually bought and sold drugs.
12:02Yes or no?
12:02My daughter was...
12:03Can you understand why I would find that shocking?
12:06I did for my daughter.
12:06Isn't it true you went to jail because you dealt drugs?
12:08Yeah, I did.
12:10How long?
12:11I got three and a half years for £40 worth of drugs and I did 18 months.
12:16But she did it to help her daughter.
12:17Doesn't help her if you give her drugs, does it?
12:19My daughter was dead in front of me.
12:22What about the people that you sold drugs to?
12:23I was sick.
12:24You've got to understand because I'll help you but you've got to understand this.
12:26What do you want her to do?
12:27She can't get on the street.
12:27What about people who bought that drugs who might be addicted like your daughter?
12:29What about the other mothers who are going through what you went through because you dealt drugs under the guise
12:33of helping your daughter?
12:34Answer that.
12:35What about that?
12:35Does she agree as well?
12:36I didn't.
12:36I didn't tell it to anybody else.
12:38I bought it for my daughter.
12:39Okay.
12:39You thought that by buying your daughter drugs, right?
12:41Yeah.
12:41Of which you got jailed for, that was better?
12:45Yeah.
12:45Between you all.
12:46No, no.
12:46Hear me out a sec.
12:47Between you all you thought that was better?
12:49No, no.
12:50That's not the answer.
12:50Then why would you do that?
12:51Jeremy, listen.
12:52Zena's been on a script.
12:53She's been off a script.
12:54She's done so big.
12:55She's been to prison.
12:56She's done the lot.
12:56Why wouldn't you take her to rehab?
12:57Because rehab is an hard option for Zena to get.
12:59A residential rehab or any rehab is a long way in the distance.
13:02I've moved Zena out of an area.
13:04You want to go to a rehab, dear?
13:05I have worked.
13:07She's done it this time.
13:07So I've got a mother who said she was crying turns out to be a drug dealer.
13:10A wife.
13:11Hear me out.
13:12Who inherited money and spent a lot of that on giving you drugs.
13:16Yeah, but listen, Jeremy.
13:16I'm just sad.
13:17Have you never had an addiction?
13:19What are you doing?
13:21The gambling years ago.
13:22What?
13:23It's still the same thing, innit?
13:24No, it isn't quite a part.
13:26An addiction is the same thing.
13:27When I inherited that money, I didn't just help Zena.
13:29I helped Zena.
13:30Can I point something out?
13:32I know you won't like this because one of the things I do know about addiction is that
13:35you blame everybody else.
13:37This isn't about me.
13:38This is about...
13:39I can stand there and I'll tell you what I thought about.
13:41Then today is about acceptance.
13:43Is it right that you dealt drugs to...
13:45I'm talking to her to save your daughter.
13:48Yes or no?
13:49Yes, I did.
13:49Is it right that you did that?
13:52No.
13:52Is it right, whatever you feel for, that you spent 50 more deaths?
13:56Listen, listen, listen.
13:56What a date.
13:57But you did it!
13:57I have to!
13:59I have to!
13:59Yeah, we have to!
13:59Listen!
14:00If you're going to ask me a question...
14:02Why were you in jail?
14:03Isn't it after then?
14:04Let me answer you then.
14:05She was in jail with me.
14:06Right, listen.
14:07Let me answer you.
14:08You want an answer?
14:09I'll give you it.
14:10Right, when I inherited that money and I sold that house, Zena didn't just get all the
14:13money.
14:13I helped him with the funeral bills for Nana when Nana passed away.
14:15I moved Zena out of the area from all the drug dealers and the users and moved all the
14:18way into another area so Zena could be clean.
14:20Let me ask you a question because you're trying me as an intelligent woman.
14:22I got wrong the script and I got wrong the script.
14:22I would say that everybody, bar him, has...
14:25No, Mike's supported Zena as well.
14:27Have you bought her drugs?
14:27I certainly have not.
14:28He's given her money for drugs, though.
14:30And I've given her money because she's wanted money.
14:32I know!
14:32Would it be fair to say, Louise, Louise, Louise, can I ask you this?
14:35I know!
14:36Would it be fair to say that everybody, for whatever reason, just don't
14:42interrupt me a minute, all right?
14:43Try and make sense.
14:44In trying to help either their daughter or their wife or their sister, I don't
14:48know whether, have enabled this problem...
14:51All of us have.
14:52...enabled this problem to get worse and worse and worse.
14:54Today is surely about acknowledging that and actually saying, don't say
14:58it's the wrong way, the odd option is to go and do something about it.
15:02The easy option is to sponge off people or people to go, we don't like to see
15:05like this, we're going to buy drugs.
15:06Yep.
15:06That cannot continue, can it?
15:08No.
15:08That's why we're...
15:09This is the point we're at.
15:10I'm not having a go at you, but you can't expect a sane person watching
15:14this to think that your everyday mother, to get a kid off heroin, would
15:17resort to drug dealing and go to jail!
15:20Or that your wife, in loving you, would spend whatever number of money...
15:24But it ain't just that, I've spent it on funeral bills, I've spent it on a
15:27new home...
15:27You haven't helped her, have you?
15:29You haven't helped her.
15:29I've put her on the streets, I've put her off the streets.
15:31Have you...
15:32I've moved her out of the area.
15:34Have you helped...
15:34Well, she's not off it, is she?
15:35No.
15:36Have you helped her?
15:38But it's a big addiction to get off, it's not easy.
15:40No.
15:40So, you know, one question before I go to a break.
15:42Why are you here today?
15:44Because I want to change my life.
15:45Why?
15:47Because if I carry on like I am, I'm just going to end up killing myself.
15:50They want Xena back.
15:52We all want Xena back, Tracy.
15:53We all want Xena back, Tracy.
15:54We all want Xena back, Tracy.
15:55Let's see what we can do.
15:55Back after this break, don't go anywhere.
15:57Why is it all my...
15:59This is you...
16:01You...
16:02You know what this is?
16:03What?
16:03This is the truth.
16:05She doesn't want to...
16:07She needs...
16:07You two love her, you need to stop having a go at me and deal with her.
16:10Come with me.
16:12Come on, baby.
16:13This is the best thing.
16:14It's one of the best 12 weeks of your life, I'm telling you.
16:15You need to get away from her for that, you know, and move away from all this.
16:18She needs it.
16:21She needs this.
16:21You know what?
16:21Am I doing...
16:22Am I doing what?
16:23Elf.
16:24She needs this.
16:25Z!
16:25Come on.
16:26Speak to me.
16:27Speak to me.
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17:08What?
17:09Apparently it's all my fault.
17:10Come with me.
17:11Why is it all my fault?
17:12I'll tell you.
17:13This is you.
17:15This is you.
17:15Do you know what this is?
17:16What?
17:17This is the truth.
17:18She doesn't want to face up to them.
17:20If you two love her, you need to stop having a go at me and deal with her.
17:23Come with me.
17:24It's not about me.
17:26Where's she gone now?
17:26Here we go.
17:27Zena, come here, Ben.
17:28Come here.
17:28Why does nobody...
17:30Why does get these...
17:31Why do you not want to hear the truth?
17:33Explain that to me.
17:34I'm not hearing the truth.
17:35It is.
17:35There's no one more remorseful than me.
17:37Then don't call me.
17:38What I've done.
17:38Do you want it on a plate?
17:39Do you want it on a plate then?
17:40I don't want it on a plate because I ain't shy.
17:42They have made it easy on you by providing the drugs.
17:45Be quiet.
17:46Do you not think that is...
17:47No.
17:47I don't have Zena money like that.
17:48I go mad about it.
17:49It's not a straight case scenario.
17:51Take the blame.
17:51Take the blame.
17:52Yeah, I do.
17:52I give money and I feed it.
17:53Where's the mother?
17:54Take the blame.
17:55Do you not understand?
17:56Can you tell her to be quiet?
17:58You will obviously deny, make an excuse, but you are here because you want to change.
18:06Yeah.
18:06The people around you, be it blindly through love, have enabled this problem to continue.
18:11Yes or no?
18:12Yeah.
18:13Not...
18:14You don't have to speak for her.
18:15Yeah.
18:16The people around you, because they love you, because they don't want to see you rattle,
18:19they don't like to see you whatever, they've bought you this stuff.
18:22Which means the problem is never going to get better.
18:25You can call me every name under the sun.
18:27That's why I am here.
18:27Right.
18:28It's because I'm angry, because I just...
18:30I don't like my mum being slagged off that sort of...
18:32But everybody has to understand...
18:34But you surely can understand that.
18:34Yes, of course, but everybody has to...
18:36Please don't say a word.
18:37No.
18:37You've got to understand that if your mother gives you drugs, if your wife gives you drugs,
18:43enabling somebody to take drugs is as bad as taking the drugs.
18:48They are not helping you, and they need to accept that.
18:50And I am not going to stand here, right?
18:52Because, yeah, I could change your life in a heartbeat if you've got something inside your head
18:55that says you want to do it.
18:56I am.
18:56And I ain't going to do it until they accept...
18:59It's them.
19:00It's not in there.
19:00Well, don't expect me to criticize people who've bought you heroin for the last ten years.
19:04I'm coming down to you.
19:04I'm coming down to you.
19:04I'm coming down to you.
19:05I'm coming down to you and beg you.
19:06What do you want?
19:07No.
19:07I want you to accept that they have not made it easy for you, and I want honesty from everybody
19:11on that stage, or all of you can do one, seriously.
19:13I'm not even getting involved.
19:15People will only change if they accept where they're wrong.
19:18That includes your mother, that includes your...
19:21That stage.
19:22I regret.
19:23Everybody.
19:23If you want my help, you three are getting out there and you're going to be honest.
19:27You stop.
19:30On stage, ladies, now, or no help.
19:32I'm not even having a debate about it.
19:35If anybody watching this expects me to say it's okay for a wife and a mother to buy drugs
19:39for somebody, then it's not going to work.
19:41Do you accept what I mean?
19:43Because I don't.
19:44But you never said that.
19:45Do you think I'm happy about what I've done?
19:46Right, at least we're getting there.
19:47Well, I'm not.
19:47I tried to explain that a minute ago.
19:49But it's about honesty.
19:49It's not about sitting there going, my daughter's killing herself.
19:51The truth is, actually, you know what, Jez?
19:53I got so desperate, I dealt drugs and went to prison.
19:57Did I really need to see that?
20:00Look at this.
20:03Xena, you came today to see me in clinic.
20:06The worrying thing is I don't think you even realise how bad your body is.
20:11It is literally crumbling around you.
20:14When we examined you today, I'm so concerned by your lungs.
20:18You felt your lungs were clear and they clearly aren't.
20:22The drugs themselves that you've been ingesting and smoking
20:24have been sitting on those lungs and have been rotting them from the inside.
20:28Both of the lungs had severe wheeze.
20:31And when we asked you more questions,
20:33it was clear that you have a chronic underlying lung disease.
20:37Worse than that, you've picked up hepatitis C.
20:40Your liver, as you know, is inflamed and it was tender when we examined it.
20:44If you weren't aware of it, this is a direct use from your intravenous drug use.
20:49When you start injecting drugs, you take that risk right to the next level.
20:53You expose yourselves to hepatitis, HIV and lots of other blood conditions.
20:58I'm so grateful that you found this out quick enough to get treatment.
21:02Because if you didn't, it is fatal.
21:05I'm really concerned that you're in denial about how you were injecting these drugs.
21:08When we looked at your groins, you said that you never injected
21:12and there was clearly a fresh injection mark.
21:15They're leaving holes inside your groin which are going to open you up for abscesses and infections
21:20and potential clots.
21:22This is fatal.
21:23You need help and you need help right now.
21:26Can I just say something without anybody else shouting, right?
21:29Look at me.
21:31Look at me.
21:33You said to me out there, I put this totally honestly, you've had a go at my mother, you've
21:39had a go at my wife, look at me.
21:41There's only one way to deal with a situation like this, in my humble opinion.
21:45And if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.
21:48Everybody needs to be honest.
21:50Everybody needs to accept responsibility.
21:52I am not in any way, look at me, I am not in any way saying it's easy, I could
21:59do any better.
22:00But you've got to understand that in a civilised society, people will watch something like this and go,
22:04so the mother dealt, the wife bought.
22:07You talked through that, all of you.
22:10That's real, that medical examination.
22:12The reality there from him, Aaron, a medical professional, is that your body is shutting down.
22:19So I can come here this morning and I can go, oh Z, oh Mum, that's not going to help
22:26anybody.
22:27The truth is this.
22:31You can be here, but you need to acknowledge what you've done and how the help you've had before,
22:38you've thrown it away, that she has to change.
22:41And you start that by not denying you've got a problem, by admitting you've got a problem
22:46and being honest, as do the people around you.
22:48That's how I see it.
22:49If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
22:49She knows she's got a problem.
22:51Yeah.
22:51Look at me.
22:52What have you done?
22:53Tell me that.
22:54I've done loads.
22:55I've tried to get on a rehab.
22:58Louise said earlier that your mecca, if you like, that the thing that you would want
23:02more than anything, all of you, is a residential rehab.
23:04Why?
23:07Sorry.
23:08Why a residential?
23:10How do I know that somebody like you wouldn't do one in five minutes?
23:14Believe.
23:15You can only take my word for it, can't you?
23:17I can just take yours.
23:18All right.
23:18We'll take my word for it on this.
23:20Your mum told us that Lou's the problem.
23:23That's what you said?
23:25Massively?
23:25Yeah.
23:27You came out very, you know, honestly and said, hold on a minute, it's a bit rich, isn't
23:31it, love?
23:31You've done exactly the same.
23:33I think that this girl seemingly is stuck in the middle of this situation.
23:37I...
23:38Whether I believe you or not, I need you to understand that these people need to be honest
23:44as well.
23:44Would you act differently in the future?
23:46I mean, do you, looking back now, think that dealing drugs to attain them for your daughter...
23:52Like I said, I regret every minute of it.
23:54What about you?
23:55Oh, yeah, I regret giving Xena money to feed a rabbit, yeah.
23:58But I've had Xena on a script, off a script, I've moved her away from drug users and drug
24:01dealers that have been on her doorstep to try and change her life.
24:04See?
24:04See?
24:04I've done a lot of things.
24:08Come on, baby, this is the best thing, it's one of the best 12 weeks of your life,
24:10I'm telling you, you need to get away from everybody that you know, and move away
24:13from all this.
24:14She needs it.
24:16She needs this.
24:16Am I what?
24:17You're doing this.
24:18Am I doing what?
24:18Everything.
24:19She needs this.
24:20Z?
24:21Speak to him.
24:22Speak to him, Zena.
24:24I'm going to tell you something, because I'm going to go to another break.
24:27Here's the thing.
24:28If I'm going to make this happen, three things are going to happen after this break.
24:31You're going to admit, you're going to admit everything, and you are going to convince
24:35me, because I want you to get upset, Z. I've got a girl in front of me who says that
24:40she wants to change, people around who haven't really helped her.
24:44I need to know if that's the truth.
24:45The car is waiting, her rehab is on offer, I'm back after this break.
24:48Do not go anywhere.
24:51There's 17 years of your life you've been on drugs.
24:53You don't really know a life without it from 15.
24:57I know you didn't like what I had to say out there, but I did it for a reason.
25:08Excuse me.
25:09Excuse me.
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25:51Thank you, my friends.
25:52Welcome back.
25:53Xena.
25:54Xena.
25:57Why should I send you to rehab?
26:01Because I want it.
26:02No, no, no.
26:03I really need it, though.
26:04Imagine...
26:04Right, don't get upset.
26:05You're going to get angry now.
26:06You're going to get angry.
26:06Imagine I at this moment and somebody you're trying to get drugs off.
26:09I need a bit of passion.
26:10No, I'll end up killing myself.
26:12I'm going to lose all of my family.
26:14I'm not allowed in my mum's home.
26:15I'll lose my wife and my kids.
26:17What did you do the last time you went to your mother's home?
26:20What happened the last time you went to your mother's home when your wife stood outside in the rain
26:23because she and your mum were arguing?
26:24If we're going to be totally honest today, you're going to get your head up.
26:26You don't even know this.
26:27What happened the last time you went to your mum's home the other day?
26:29What did you do?
26:30I don't know.
26:32When?
26:32When it was raining, when.
26:34When?
26:35When you went in, what happened?
26:38I was trying to sort out a career.
26:41Did you take anything?
26:42No.
26:44Did you steal anything?
26:46No.
26:47Totally honest today, if you want to go to rehab.
26:49What did you steal the other day from your mum's house?
26:51Speak, please.
26:53Total clean, your wife's nodding.
26:55When you went to your mother's house the other day, what did you steal?
26:57Speak to me.
26:59What did you take?
27:01Come on.
27:03You want my help?
27:04I want your honesty.
27:04Tell me.
27:05A chain.
27:07Pardon?
27:08A chain.
27:09A chain?
27:10Yeah.
27:10The one you bought me for Christmas.
27:12Yeah.
27:13With the mum on it.
27:15If I didn't you ask me, you could have had it.
27:18What did you do with the necklace?
27:21Where's it gone?
27:23Did you pour on it?
27:24For drugs?
27:26How much did you get for it?
27:2820.
27:29Sorry?
27:3020 pounds.
27:3020 pounds.
27:32So we're in a situation where you can't even go to your mother's house without nicking
27:36a piece of jewellery to pay for your habit.
27:39So if we're being completely honest and your mum has been frank, I didn't bring your secret
27:44up.
27:45Louise did.
27:46You've dealt drugs, bought drugs, been to prison for that.
27:51You've spent money.
27:53You've spent money that you've inherited.
27:56Blindly to us, you know, buying my wife drugs, that's not the way to go, but you've
28:00done that.
28:00You've watched the guy Aaron talked to you about medically.
28:04You've got to understand, Zina.
28:05Look at me.
28:07I can't, I can't help you unless you're honest.
28:14What do you want to know?
28:17He wants to know why you want it so bad, Zina.
28:19Why do you want to go in a residential rehab so bad?
28:21I want to flip this round.
28:22I want to live a normal life.
28:24I want to work.
28:25Zina, everybody around you has suffered because of your choices.
28:32You had a go at me earlier for having a go at the people around you.
28:36All I wanted was honesty from them.
28:37Actually, as this story's gone on, I have a lot of admiration for your wife, because
28:41I can see it in her eyes.
28:43I'm beginning to understand the desperation that your mother must have felt to
28:46actually do something as ludicrous as that.
28:49I can't condone it.
28:50I can't stand on television and go, yeah, that's the right thing to do.
28:53I hate it myself or what I've put them all through and I'll be the first to stand there
28:56in a minute.
28:57I don't need no one else to tell me.
28:58No, no, but do you know what I've learned?
28:59I've learned.
29:00Drug addicts always say that.
29:01I know I'm not.
29:02And I can go, right.
29:03What goes Jeremy Cash?
29:04Not all drug addicts are the same, neither.
29:06There's users and there's abusers.
29:08But you have ruined your own life and people around you by the choices that you've made.
29:15Yes or no?
29:16I want to know in two sentences, if you want to get in that car, why I should give that
29:21to
29:21you?
29:21Nobody else.
29:22Why should I give it to you when there are probably 100,000 people watching this right
29:26now going, my God, I want to be in that car because I want to tell you something else
29:29as well because I want to.
29:31The work that Graham does with these units, with these rehab units, there's only a certain
29:36number for all sorts of reasons that we can provide.
29:39And over the last couple of months, one or two, and I'm going to be totally honest,
29:44have sat in front of me like you, right, and given it the big I am, this is it.
29:48One lasted 24 hours and has been begging us ever since.
29:52The other lasted two days and has been begging us ever since.
29:56Now people watching this will go, is she going to do the same?
29:59I want you to look at me and I want to know that I'm not going to get a call
30:02next week
30:03saying, oh, you know, she's done one because she missed her wife.
30:07No.
30:08Why then?
30:09Why?
30:10Because I need it from me.
30:11Come with me.
30:12All of you.
30:13Which way am I going?
30:14Am I going that way?
30:16Thank you very much indeed.
30:17Come with me, watch the wires, guys.
30:27Z, can I ask you a question?
30:29Yeah.
30:31Does it scare you?
30:34Come with me.
30:35Come with me.
30:36How old are you?
30:3832.
30:3917 years of your life you've been on drugs.
30:41You don't really know a life without it from 15.
30:46I know you didn't like what I had to say out there.
30:48But I did it for a reason.
30:50Now you've slowed walking.
30:52Shh, shh, shh.
30:53Hey, but I...
30:55I did...
30:56Oi, why are you...
30:57Why...
30:57Excuse me.
30:58Excuse me.
30:59Why are you angry now?
31:01I don't like losing my baby.
31:03I do.
31:04I love my kids.
31:06You have to redress the past and he's absolutely right.
31:09Because what they're asking of you is for you to make changes with your life.
31:13For you to stop using drugs.
31:14And for you...
31:15To be able to learn to deal with my triggers in different ways.
31:18Absolutely.
31:19Absolutely.
31:20But do you think today is all about you making changes?
31:24Yeah.
31:24Just you?
31:25Yeah.
31:25You're wrong.
31:26That's everyone as a whole.
31:27Okay?
31:28When they're asking you to make changes...
31:30Listen to me.
31:31When they're asking you to make changes in your life, positive changes in your life, so do these.
31:37Because yes, they have made mistakes.
31:39Right, quickly, because I'm running out of time.
31:41We are going to work with the family, with you two.
31:42We will make sure.
31:43But I want a question, Graham.
31:44What are we offering on a plate?
31:46Okay.
31:47First and foremost, what I'm going to say, in order to enable this change in the whole
31:51family, you will have to go to family therapy.
31:54You must understand the problem.
31:56And you must understand how you people interact in this problem.
32:00What's going to happen today is you're going to a drug rehabilitation.
32:04You're going to go for six weeks.
32:07You will go to Bournemouth, to the Providence Project.
32:10And initially, you will be detoxed from the substances that you're using.
32:15But let's be really honest, that's a short-term solution.
32:18We have to look at the long-term solution.
32:20You need to then go into one-to-one counselling.
32:22You need to go into group therapy.
32:24You need to look at relapse prevention.
32:27You're going to get the full deal.
32:29Absolutely.
32:30All I'm looking for is your commitment.
32:32But I'm going to say this again.
32:33This is not just about her making changes.
32:35All of you have made mistakes.
32:38We all need to make changes.
32:39Do you understand now, whatever you think of me, that we needed complete honesty?
32:44Because it would have been no good sending you off under the guise of rehab for you to
32:49come back, for these two to still be at loggerheads, for her to think enabling was
32:53okay, and her.
32:54She made a major sacrifice today.
32:56You might think I'm at whatever you call me.
32:58I'm not.
32:59Because you can change your life.
33:00I think he's going to ring me on Tuesday and say you've walked out.
33:03Say goodbye to your family.
33:04You're going.
33:04Say goodbye now.
33:05We need to understand the family dynamics.
33:07I know.
33:07I wish she was my mother.
33:09She's done loads for Zina.
33:10I wish she was my mum.
33:11I do.
33:12She's been a good mum and a good grandma.
33:14You can't say no better than that.
33:16I wish she was my mother.
33:17Because she's done a lot for her.
33:19Good.
33:19Like I've done a lot for her.
33:21We've all done a lot.
33:21It's not the end of it, yeah.
33:23It'll all be all right, isn't it?
33:24What you need?
33:25I love you.
33:26I love you, Mum.
33:27You'll be in touch with each other.
33:30It's not like you'll be alone.
33:31Got to get in the car, guys.
33:33Can I have a cuddle and a kiss?
33:34Got to get in the car.
33:34Say goodbye.
33:35I love you.
33:36I'm proud of you.
33:38I love you.
33:38The family will be looked after as well.
33:40Time to go, Z.
33:41Come on.
33:42Six weeks.
33:44Residential.
33:45Providence project.
33:46Bournemouth.
33:46Come on.
33:48I don't want to see you.
33:51I love you.
33:53I love you.
33:54I'm going to ask you something.
33:55You're going to let me down?
33:56No.
33:58I'm going to put on Michelle.
34:00Go.
34:02I'm proud of you.
34:03I love you, Mum.
34:05I'll be back, too.
34:07You will.
34:08For the best six weeks of your life, Zina, it's going to change your life.
34:10You won't see me for six weeks.
34:12I love you.
34:13Stay strong.
34:14Go.
34:15Thanks.
34:16He's absolutely right.
34:18You guys need to be included in this process.
34:21She needs to get off it, but it's the long-term thing.
34:25What happened today, as you mentioned it, don't get angry with her.
34:28You did something that I think is amazing.
34:32I think your love for the girl shines through.
34:34I think the choices you've both made have been wrong,
34:37although one would perhaps understand the desperation.
34:40She's going to the right place.
34:42I'll leave you with Graeme.
34:43She's a good mum and a good nanny, and I wish she was a good mum.
34:45You do understand why we need to...
34:46Give me a round of applause.
34:48OK.
34:49She took the family dynamic.
34:53Just before we move on, somebody just said to me,
34:55do you think Zina will last?
34:57Do you think she'll do the six weeks?
34:58Do you think she'll change her life?
35:00I hope so, but I can only ever say this to people, you know?
35:03This show has given her a fantastic opportunity,
35:05an opportunity she'll never get anywhere else.
35:07It really is down to her and her family.
35:09We'll keep you updated.
35:10Let's continue with my next guest today, Sarah,
35:11who's here for crucial double lie detector results.
35:15She says her boyfriend Curtis had a friend with benefits.
35:18What does that mean, Will?
35:19This is a Friday nighter, before they got together.
35:21And rumours have circulated that this guy
35:23is still sleeping with the Friday nighter.
35:25Sarah is here to get the truth and check this,
35:27to prove to Curtis she isn't a cheat either.
35:30A lot more to the story.
35:31Do I look confused? I probably am.
35:32Sarah's on the car show that way.
35:37How are you?
35:39Nice to meet you.
35:40You all right? I don't know whether you look...
35:42Nervous.
35:42Why are you nervous?
35:43Just nervous.
35:44Why are we here on the car show today?
35:46Because, on a second, it's an amazing love.
35:48You're engaged. I mean, two years, everything's great.
35:51What's the matter with you? Why are you here?
35:52Well, he was sleeping with one of his...
35:55I got with me, friends with benefits.
35:57Is that like a...
35:59Oh, man, now.
36:00Is that like you go to a disc club, sorry.
36:02You go to a club on a Friday night disco.
36:04I get it.
36:05And neither of you pull.
36:07And so you think,
36:08oh, we're mates.
36:09We want to have sex.
36:10Safe sex.
36:11Bob's your uncle.
36:12Not safe sex, but I basically with each other.
36:14Sorry?
36:14It wasn't safe sex, but I...
36:16But they...
36:17So they would have sex, but there wasn't a relationship.
36:20No.
36:21Was that happening when you got with him?
36:23No, but not long...
36:24Not long before I got with him was...
36:26So why, two years down the line,
36:28are you on the Jeremy Kyle show saying,
36:30I said, yes, I'd marry him.
36:32He's my first love.
36:33Everything's great.
36:34But now I reckon he must have still been having sex with this bird.
36:37Because she was actually telling people
36:39that she did sleep with Curtis behind me back a few months ago.
36:41But then there's something more to this,
36:42which is because you're licking your lips and looking at the floor,
36:44I think you look nervous.
36:45In all of this, um...
36:47Why are you doing one?
36:49Because he gets paranoid.
36:50He smokes weed.
36:51He gets paranoid and he thinks I've done something.
36:54But you have actually given him some reason to be paranoid, haven't you?
36:57Well, no, not really.
36:58Erm...
36:59Yes, you said the following.
37:01Previously, I...
37:02One of his friends kissed...
37:03Well, two of his friends kissed me and I've pushed them away,
37:05but that's not my fault.
37:06They came up to me, I pushed them away and I told Curtis straight away.
37:09You didn't do anything back?
37:09No.
37:10So he's on weed and thinks she got off and done more than that
37:12with two of his mates.
37:14You think that the fact that this bird's put around
37:16that she's had sex with Curtis means that something's going on.
37:19So, at the moment, where are we at?
37:22I mean, it wasn't the Jeremy Kyle show, you idiot,
37:23but I mean, what about the relationship?
37:25What's the relationship like?
37:27Erm...
37:27We'll argue because of it.
37:29Because of these rumours.
37:30We'll argue a lot.
37:31You told my team he's had enough chances to admit he's cheated
37:33if he's failed the test.
37:35It's all for good, he's gone.
37:36It's a big day.
37:37Mm-hm.
37:38Curtis is on the Jeremy Kyle show.
37:39He's coming out that way.
37:41APPLAUSE
37:46All right, Curtis.
37:48Curtis...
37:49Curtis, 20.
37:50I'm here to prove I haven't cheated on Sarah with an old fling.
37:53You're Friday nighter, son.
37:54Aye.
37:55Please do slouch.
37:56Sit up.
37:56Nice one.
37:58Erm...
37:58Tell me about the friends with benefits thing.
38:00How does that work, then?
38:02Did you have safe sex with her?
38:04Er...
38:04Not all the time.
38:06Why not?
38:07Good morning.
38:08Great.
38:09Did she get pregnant, too?
38:10No.
38:11Were you still having unsafe sex with her
38:13when you met the love of your life, Sarah?
38:15Er, no.
38:16I stopped having sex with her about a week, two weeks before I met Sarah.
38:19Very admirable and very good of you, isn't it?
38:21Er, so you met Sarah.
38:22Er, I've been with Sarah for two years, engaged after seven months.
38:24I proposed on Facebook.
38:26We called the engagement off.
38:27Why?
38:28Because of all accusations put in too much stress,
38:30so we both agreed that we jumped into her too quick.
38:34Too big of a step too fast.
38:35Tell her why you don't trust her.
38:36Look at her.
38:37Tell her.
38:38Because, obviously, with a smoking weed, I get paranoid, you know that.
38:41And with me two friends trying to kiss you, obviously, I do believe you,
38:44but there could be a bit more.
38:46And that's it, basically.
38:47And I'm going to pass 100%.
38:48See you, Mia?
38:49Why do you smoke weed?
38:50Yep.
38:50Because I love it.
38:55Honestly.
38:56Really.
38:57Honestly.
38:59Do you not like him smoking it?
39:00No.
39:02You think I'd smoke you the big man, yeah?
39:04No, no, no.
39:05Why don't you get off your backside and go to work?
39:07I've got a job, so...
39:08You do?
39:08So you spend your money on drugs?
39:09Yes, I do.
39:10How much do you smoke?
39:11I smoke about a tenner bag a week.
39:13A what?
39:14A tenner bag a week.
39:15About a gram.
39:17About a gram worth of cannabis a week.
39:19Why?
39:20Because I want it.
39:20And it makes you paranoid?
39:22I've smoked it for about ten years.
39:25It makes you argue with your girlfriend.
39:25It's illegal.
39:26What good is in any of that?
39:28There's no good.
39:29I just like it.
39:31No good.
39:32Tenner a bag.
39:32Can you help me out?
39:35Do you not think that if you didn't smoke weed, you might look at this whole thing differently?
39:38Aye, but there'd still be that little bit in the back of my age thinking...
39:41She said...
39:42Well, you said to me, if he's done anything, it's over.
39:46Yeah.
39:46Talk to him.
39:47Well, like I've said, you've had so many chances.
39:49Tell us all the two, yeah?
39:51After what happened before we got in the taxi last night when you admitted us something.
39:54After that, and then you feel this, it's over.
39:56I've told you everything now.
39:57What?
39:58Aye, that's what happened the last time you told us something, and the last time you told us something,
40:02well, we'll find out in person.
40:04If it's true, it's over for good.
40:06Fair enough.
40:07I don't know for you all.
40:08What's the fact?
40:09So you're concerned because you smoke weed that she...
40:12I mean, it doesn't...
40:13Two of his friends kissed you, you think there might be more.
40:17You say, well, I'm just being honest.
40:18I mean, I came to waste straight away.
40:20On the back of the other thing is, is that your friends with benefits...
40:23Quite interesting that you were...
40:24What were you doing with her?
40:26Just having sex.
40:27Yes, thanks.
40:28Two years ago, and it finished, apparently, before you started.
40:31You fell in love with her, you got...
40:32And that was a while, and it went on for a few months,
40:34and then it was only then that this woman jumped up and down,
40:36which is a bit weird.
40:37Just a quick question.
40:38You've both done results.
40:39We're going to do them.
40:39How many people think she's passed?
40:41Put your hands in the air.
40:42Everybody thinks you've passed.
40:44That's good.
40:45Big breath.
40:45That's not the result, sir.
40:47And how many people think he's passed?
40:49Why, I...
40:50Nobody!
40:51He's all daft!
40:52He's all daft, man!
40:54Still those all-important lie detector results, please.
40:57Start with you, Curtis.
40:58So, every single person in this audience thinks that Curtis was a liar.
41:02Curtis told the examiner at the beginning of his relationship with Sarah,
41:06he went out for a few drinks.
41:07At the end of the night, he admitted another person gave him oral sex.
41:11Did you know about that?
41:12Just before we got in the taxi last night.
41:13Okay, so we asked him, since the start of your relationship with Sarah in August 2013,
41:17have you, Curtis, bearing in mind you're such a lothario,
41:21had sexual intercourse with the person in question?
41:24He said no.
41:25Why did you say no, Curtis?
41:27Because I was telling the truth.
41:27Because he was telling the truth, ladies and gentlemen!
41:35Since the start of your relationship with Sarah in August 2013,
41:38have you, Curtis, had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
41:40He said no.
41:41Why did you say no?
41:42I was telling the truth.
41:42Because he was telling the truth, ladies and gentlemen.
41:48Since the start of your relationship with Sarah in August 2013,
41:51apart from what you've told me,
41:52have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
41:54He said no.
41:55Guess what?
41:55Your boyfriend got a full house, ladies and gentlemen.
41:59What are you arguing for?
42:00Oh, Ryan!
42:01I didn't know.
42:08We asked Sarah, she also told us something.
42:10She said that on two separate occasions, just to clear this up, boys had kissed her, but she pushed them
42:16off.
42:16No.
42:17She stated, she told Curtis on both occasions what happened and that no other sexual contact took place.
42:22Happy with that?
42:22Yes.
42:22We asked Sarah, since the start of your relationship with Curtis in August 2013, apart from the two occasions we
42:26discussed, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
42:29You said no.
42:29Why did you say no?
42:30I was telling the truth.
42:52I haven't even finished giving...
42:54Oi!
42:55Oi!
42:56Excuse me.
42:58Since the start of your relationship with Curtis in August 2013, apart from kissing, have you had sexual contact with
43:02anyone else?
43:02You said no.
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43:43So he passed and everybody thought he was a liar.
43:46She's ripped off her microphone and done one.
43:48So she believed the test young man when you did it but apparently now it's a pile of rubbish.
43:53I haven't even finished giving...
43:54Oi!
43:54Oi!
43:55Excuse me.
44:00Sorry but you believed the test when he did it and now you're running away.
44:03Why are you running away?
44:04Since the start of your relationship it says you passionately kissed somebody, right?
44:09Since the start of your relationship with Curtis in August 2013 apart from kissing have you had sexual contact with
44:13anyone else?
44:13You said no, that said you lied as well.
44:16She passed the sexual intercourse.
44:18That would imply whether you like it or not, okay, that more happened on the occasions or on other occasions.
44:26Now they all thought he was a liar.
44:27She did not have sexual intercourse.
44:30She failed sexual contact and kissing.
44:34Why would you fail it if you passed one question?
44:40The test is right.
44:41What happened?
44:42See what I mean?
44:44She passed the sexual intercourse, right?
44:47The last one.
44:48Where's she going now?
44:50It's like the Olympics around here.
44:53Oi!
44:54Did you have sex with anybody?
44:55Did you have sex with anybody?
44:57Seven.
44:58Unbelievable.
44:59She didn't have sex, but something has happened.
45:02And I just want to point something out.
45:03She didn't have sex.
45:05No, no.
45:06So the test, she's admitted, the test is right.
45:09Something happened.
45:10You passed it, she failed it.
45:11Now she won't even talk.
45:12She's in the toilets.
45:14My worst bit of Paris.
45:15What?
45:15She's the one around the shore.
45:18She's the one around the shore thinking I'm the chief.
45:20Do you want to know what I think?
45:21Do you want to know what I truly and honestly think?
45:23Go for it.
45:24I think she thought that you were going to fail and two wrongs would make a right and you'd
45:27walk out of here and everything would be fine.
45:29I knew you'd pass the minute you walked out with your face.
45:32The fact is, she didn't have sex.
45:33That second question would be about kiss or can't it?
45:36Because if it was just a kiss, fair enough.
45:38No, I wouldn't mean I'd let someone.
45:42So in essence, what you've both done is the same, isn't it?
45:46Isn't it equal?
45:47So I've got a little thing and you can say what you want, you can go.
45:50Neither of you had sex.
45:52He admitted only last night there was oral sex.
45:54True?
45:55Aye.
45:55And passed it.
45:57Something happened.
45:58You passed intercourse, which means the test is right.
46:01Something happened and I'm just trying to help you a little bit here.
46:05Level playing field, mate.
46:06He only got in a car last night with you and admitted.
46:08Tell him the truth and you'll be all right.
46:10But tell him the truth and start running.
46:11Tell him.
46:13So, just tell the truth, who you're with and what happened.
46:15If I'm you, do not think I'd tell you.
46:17Do not think you've been out with it and something's happened?
46:19No.
46:19Why'd you further test it?
46:20I'm always with you, I don't know.
46:22Why do?
46:22Because you lied.
46:24Well, that's your opinion then.
46:25But you passed the sexual intercourse.
46:27I'm gone.
46:28So you don't want to stay and fight with him?
46:30Well.
46:31Shall I tell you something?
46:32You know you said that you don't like the fact that nobody wants to keep eating.
46:34Why don't you just run away?
46:35Because nobody here is going to chase you anymore.
46:37You've got a chance to be honest with the man you say.
46:40I am being honest.
46:41No, you're not.
46:42He was honest with you last night.
46:44Tell him the truth, darling.
46:45You can put it right.
46:46I am telling him the truth.
46:47I do not know of me doing anything with anyone.
46:50Come on.
46:50What do you mean?
46:51You might have been drunk.
46:53No.
46:55Come on.
46:56And I never used to go out drinking with him.
46:58I'm not allowed out drinking without him, so.
47:00Something happened, didn't it, because you passed sexual intercourse and you have a great
47:04chance to make this work because he just said, I'm no good, I did that and I only told
47:09her last night.
47:10I don't care.
47:10It could actually be good, this, because you could wipe the slate clean.
47:14Look at me.
47:14If I knew I did anything, I'd tell him.
47:16I don't know, I don't think, yes I would.
47:18You came here knowing.
47:19When I tell him about all the things.
47:19Ask a question.
47:20Look me in the eyes.
47:21Did you come here expecting him to fail?
47:23Yes.
47:24And if he had, you'd have told him what you did and it would have balanced it out.
47:27He admitted what he did last night.
47:29I wouldn't have told him nothing because I knew I haven't done anything.
47:35Um, it doesn't make it right that it was only last night that you admitted.
47:39No, no, I'm in the wrong in all life.
47:41But, he has given you a chance.
47:44I'll put you with Graham, I hope you can do it.
47:46It doesn't, look.
47:47Two wrongs don't make a right but it's a level playing field, isn't it?
47:51I want to hear in a week or an hour or half an hour that you've actually told him that
47:55we can work with you.
47:56One more chance.
47:57Something happened, didn't it?
47:58No.
48:00It did.
48:01Well if it did, she'll tell us after the show when there's no cameras.
48:04No, no, no, she will.
48:06I hope that works, alright?
48:08Yeah, that face says it all.
48:10I'm out of time.
48:11Thanks for watching.
48:11We'll work with these guys and Graham.
48:13We'll see you soon.
48:13Take care.
48:14Bye for now.
48:14Of course you can.
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