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00:09on today's show this guy 75 year old was convicted of indecent sexual assault he was put in jail
00:34you also grounded up against me and used to grunt
00:50this guy said i am not his father 100% i've been looking for my dad for 24 years you
01:00saw me outside
01:02you knew all about fights with them two and you know it you know what i mean you've got funny
01:06answer about alan no thanks not answer about alan
01:10i'm fine now you're working my way along you're living well you're not getting there are you just answer why
01:14don't you shut up
01:16i'm not going nowhere till i find the truth come in there please
01:19no i want the truth
01:41hello my friends good morning and a big big welcome to the show now our first guest today
01:45sarah is one brave lady to even be here this is probably one of the most shocking stories i have
01:51ever
01:51ever had on the jeremy kyle show why because sarah is actually to confront the man who was convicted
01:58yes convicted of indecently assaulting her when she was 10 years of age now shockingly
02:04this man was her stepfather and this has quite understandably destroyed the family this is one
02:09brave girl now she's been put through much she's desperate to be here today she said i want to do
02:15this we're going to start with sarah in one of our green rooms backstage one brave lady
02:21how are you okay thank you first up just huge huge respect and i think people watching this would feel
02:30exactly the same um i think that most people though would ask this question um this guy
02:3875 year old gordon was convicted in a british court of indecent sexual assault
02:46he was put in jail and got out early he got out um why on earth are you here why
02:56would you not want
02:56to just draw a line why did you want to do this today because you know what i'm sick of
03:00the abuse
03:01of christopher he's in the audience actually and his wife has actually wrote a statement yeah i know
03:08you're here and i'm just a friend of calling me an unpaid prostitute what have i ever done to you
03:15i'm here as i want answers from my ex-stepfather he abused me as a child
03:19how did it start tell me he used to rub himself in the car and he wore two two pair
03:24of pants and
03:25then he'd try and pull it out try and make me touch it and i used to cry i wanted
03:29to go home
03:30it was like how old were you i was 10 10 tell your mother going on a little no i
03:35was scared he told me
03:36if i told my mom i'd be putting her that i was killing my nan and when when she did
03:41die i was the
03:42one that killed her so i turned to drugs i think your behavior was atypical of an abuse victim and
03:46i think
03:46that's really important you say um it got to the point where it had so affected every part of my
03:53life that i realized i had to do something about that when did you think i mean you're now 25
03:59when
03:59did you suddenly i blocked it all out when i was a kid and as soon as i seen that
04:03video and then
04:04pictures of my son it brought memories back and i broke i just broke what did you do i went
04:10to the
04:10police and i told them everything did your mother believe you at that point well i told my mom
04:16one night when i was drunk over the phone like months before this is lillian right yeah she also
04:23wants to confront him today i'm always interested whether for kids watching this teenagers whatever
04:28does she say yes i believe you say yeah what do you feel you'll get from confronting gordon today
04:35a bit of closure for why he did it to me what if you don't get the answers you want
04:38that's what
04:39worries me i'm not gonna lie then i just have to let it go obviously it's gonna be there with
04:45me
04:45still but i'm gonna have to work a lot of a lot of people i guess i ask this because
04:50a majority of
04:51victims would never want to see their abuser again the reason i want to because i want to know why
04:56he had pictures of my son as well he had pictures of my son not his own son my son
05:02isn't that interesting
05:02as well that we as human beings for this story before you you dealt with all of that not in
05:07a
05:07good way came out in your behavior but then you said the minute you saw this picture the minute
05:13there was any danger to your offspring then you jumped into to to action um because they're my kids
05:18they're my pride and joy i know gordon did this to me i just need to know why he is
05:22in denial
05:23i hope terrible things for him but you are absolutely sure you want to do this yeah
05:27too right i do want to do this on stage yeah i want to face him i want to face
05:34my fear
05:35you sure yeah i think you're amazing come with me give her a round of applause
05:58you'll understand guys thank you you'll understand from our point of view that you verifying that
06:04is massively important this is a hugely contentious uh thing to be bringing out a man who has been
06:12convicted of uh sexual abuse indecent assault can i point something out as well which is for me
06:20central to this whole story this is a man who will come out here please do not shout i don't
06:25want
06:26people shouting from the side to say that you are a compulsive liar she's ruined my life i've done
06:31nothing to deserve this i'm going to say before he comes out and i'm going to say it now whether
06:35people like this or not i have four children if anybody ever ever made the slightest comment
06:43about that to me i would fight for the rest of my dying life to if i knew i was
06:50telling the truth
06:50to never admit it so for this man coming out here not only has he been to prison
06:55because he's pleaded guilty to abusing a child next on the jeremy cowell show
07:20you're surprised by their reaction are you well jerry i'm speaking about this truth aye nothing happened you liar
07:28why did you plead guilty then i'm talking to jerry what it's not jerry it's jeremy
07:32shut up and answer me a really simple question why did you plead guilty shut up
07:39eddie all right
07:44i don't care if you want to involve yourself in this sit down and shut up until i ask you
07:50be quiet i want to speak to him or you will leave the building
07:56i want to hear him why did he plead guilty then shut up and sit down no you touched her
08:02didn't you
08:02no you're a sick old man how did you only get 11 months and then got out earlier
08:09why would she make this up well what she got against you why would she make it up
08:14what she got against me to move with her mother i moved out because of you i moved out because
08:20of
08:20you you liar and you do not need to do you told me i killed my nan you're a scum
08:27you're a pedophile
08:28what are you no she's my auntie what are you i'm i'm her auntie now i'll defend her and if
08:34i find out you've done anything to my
08:35god help you you're a pedophile you're a dirty old man you don't even deserve to be sat there in
08:41that chair
08:42for people to listen to you
08:44hey
08:45hi come on can i just point out that i don't want him sat in their chair and this is
08:49important
08:49but you you wanted us to do this this isn't i'm going to be honest with you i wouldn't want
08:55that on
08:56my stage you talk to him and your henchman can shut up you speak to him he did do it
09:01to me and you
09:02know you did garden when we used to go to the fair you know damn well you did you tried
09:06to make to
09:06touch you and you also you also grinded up against me and used to grunt well you're not denying it
09:13are
09:14you i explained it you did do it didn't you golden why are you not denying it did you do
09:18it golden no i
09:20didn't no i did not because i'll tell you what journey me i don't know why you did it to
09:24me
09:24garden i was 10 years old garden i turned to drugs in here because of you
09:34can my mum come in i ripped all my eyelashes you look at my eyes i have no eyelashes forget
09:40the audience
09:41forget shouting i want you to do what you asked the jeremy to allow you to do today i'm not
09:49interested
09:49in the people at the side actually if it was anything to do with me they wouldn't be involved i
09:53want to know what you the victim say to him the person who was convicted of doing disgusting things
09:59to you this is your moment nobody else's why did you do it to me well could i just have
10:06i say
10:06i'll let the audience think about it don't have to do with the audience her mother no her mother told
10:13shut up you're not helping your daughter or your niece be quiet her mother told me to go and fix
10:17the
10:18washing machine right to roll me out to the house right if i didn't go and fix the washing machine
10:24what's that got to do with grinding against a 10 year old did you do it yes or no no
10:28i did not i did not
10:30you did
10:34so you admitted so you admitted let me forget your washing machine you admitted to this indecent
10:41assault you got convicted and put in jail you're on the sex offenders register from now till what
10:47another 10 years yeah there are men in this audience watching this at home will go to their
10:51grave before they admitted something i didn't do nothing my childhood why i am who i am because of
11:09you yeah and do you know what i hate you i hate you with so much passion you used to
11:14bully my mum you
11:15bullied me i came in from work one day yeah and what did you do i have beans on toast
11:20you're eating
11:21all the best food so i had to throw my daughter away because i had to go into work i
11:26had to go to
11:27chips or forget my own teeth did you sexually abuse your stepdaughter i did not sexually abuse at all
11:31let me get this absolutely straight you hold on a second i'll tell you what i'm going to do after
11:37this break i'm going to give this audience a piece of evidence that absolutely will say everything
11:42about you as a disgusting human being back in a minute
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12:38thank you my friends welcome back i don't like this story at all i don't why'd you do it then
12:43i don't
12:45what's your mum called my mum lillian lillian's on the jeremy carl show that way
12:55you're nothing but a disgusting
12:58pedophile
13:02that's what you were
13:03am i yeah lillian do me a favor please um obviously oh do you know what i don't like
13:10him i don't see what this guy brings shut him up i did smash him in the mouth because he
13:14was in my face
13:15calling me a druggy this lillian i'm here because i want to confront my ex-partner about him sexually
13:19please can i speak sorry when you find out when she was uh 20. tell me if you can in
13:27your own words
13:28because i asked her why lillian she hadn't said something before she's 25 now and what she's done
13:32standing up because garden turned around and told her that i would put her in care and that she was
13:38killing her nan and when her man died he turned around and told her that she killed him that she
13:43killed her nan 13 years of age everybody knows this 13 years of age my doctor sarah turned to drink
13:48and drugs and now you say as a mother i realize it because of what it was because of what
13:51gordon did to
13:52her do you know what you need to talk chris you went back when i was sure i was 10.
13:57as a mother you
13:57believed her straight away yeah and i i blame myself for not being knowing the signs of it even
14:02my own sister and me thought sarah was going tell my team was this kind of man what do you
14:10mean at
14:10first he he was kind with her at first he used to take while i was watching my mom he
14:14used to take
14:15her to farm give her sweets and everything never eat and come back and and all this and never said
14:22no sarah never said no because she said she was too scared to tell me when she was 10. you
14:28can't
14:32that as well she'd have believed you straight away but you can't i guess as as a sane human being
14:37in a
14:37normal society ever assume there are people like this no i didn't think he would he was like that
14:43with her um i just i just i just i don't understand one thing about this story okay i've got
14:50a girl at
14:5025 who says that she was abused her stepfather was arrested convicted he comes out and denies it but
14:57this is a guy who pleaded guilty in a british court as i've said already nobody would ever convince me
15:01no something like that but you support your daughter and yet tommy sarah's uncle and your
15:07brother completely agrees with this man and calls tommy was never about tommy's on the jeremy carl show that way
15:22not really mate i don't like to shake hands the people is
15:25you're a liar
15:27you're a liar
15:29you're a liar
15:33you're a liar
15:33no i want to see him at you
15:50you want to see it all the week in the road yeah
15:56can you do me a favor can you just be quiet a minute angie
16:00it was never about tommy
16:01excuse me excuse me one second that's your niece that's blood
16:10he pleaded guilty tommy
16:11you're defending a peanut pie
16:19why did he say i did then
16:22that's his choice not mine
16:23that's ridiculous isn't it
16:27she said she told me mom but she didn't
16:30i didn't say i told you man
16:31yeah you did you said you told you man and you bloody didn't
16:33you put it all in the papers that you told you man
16:35no i didn't
16:36yes you did
16:38tell your people to shut up
16:40who is that
16:41who is that
16:42just get out here lily and you do my
16:48you need to shut up
16:51you're nothing
16:51no because you're defending that
16:53you're defending that
16:54can i point something out
16:58can i point something out
17:00it never happened
17:02you're just going
17:03and you're going
17:05can you do me a favor
17:11can you do me a favor and all of you shut up
17:13can i just do something
17:14can i just do something
17:16nobody else speak right for me
17:17because i believe this girl
17:19no i'm sure you don't
17:21did you just actually abuse her
17:24no we didn't
17:24be quiet
17:26chris is on the jeremy carl show
17:33but you are a liar
17:36you are a liar
17:37you dragged my daughter into it
17:38no no please
17:41no please found nothing
17:44just like they found nothing
17:45in this case
17:47excuse me
17:48could i just because i'm sick and tired of everybody talking
17:51sit down
17:52it's a sensitive issue
17:54but it's to degrade itself
17:55into a
17:56shush
17:57chris says basically
17:59sarah's an unplayed prostitute
18:01yes
18:02she pays her taxi fares by sleeping with taxi drivers
18:05no
18:06she has accused other people of raping her
18:10everybody that we know
18:12know she's a liar
18:13she's changed her story
18:14she has decided to ruin his life
18:17she's horrible nasty scruffy
18:19druggy tramp
18:20okay then
18:21if she is
18:22if she is all that
18:23what you said
18:24was she in the cab when it was all happening
18:26did you see her do that
18:27did you see her do that
18:29did you see her do that
18:30did you see her do that
18:30did you see her do that
18:31so you can't prove it then can you
18:33how old are you
18:3475
18:3675
18:39what happened in 1964
18:41what happened in 1964
18:43it was reported in the press and i have the papers
18:45yes
18:46you have a conviction
18:47for a similar offence against a minor in 1964
18:52yes or no
18:53is that proved
18:54no
18:55you went to prison for it
18:56you went to prison
18:57excuse me
18:58you went to prison
18:59for against a minor in 1964
19:01yes or no
19:03no
19:03i didn't go to prison
19:04you're a dirty man
19:05when i go back to the police station
19:06i don't even want to have it on my stage
19:08that's too
19:09i will get a conviction file off them
19:10do you know what mate
19:11did you know that
19:12did you
19:13i did
19:14why are you still supporting it
19:16yeah
19:16because
19:17how can you support a man
19:18who's been convicted twice
19:20do you know why
19:20because it's not the same as a man
19:22because it's the same as a man
19:24right
19:24and if he's not been to prison
19:26you've got a
19:27social service
19:27social service
19:29did you let that near your kids
19:30i did
19:31yes i did
19:31that's a stupid idiot
19:33no no because he didn't go to jail
19:34right
19:34for that
19:35you don't know that
19:36you don't know that
19:37it's been proved by a social service
19:39he got convicted
19:39yes or no
19:41for that
19:41that one in that year
19:42that's twice pal
19:44you're a father
19:45he's a menace
19:46right
19:46i mean he didn't get convicted
19:47he didn't get convicted
19:48did you know that
19:49not till
19:50not till he got
19:51not till the court
19:52when i went to court with my
19:54that is when i found out in 90s it's for a dick
19:57and he admitted to the judge himself
19:59he turned around and said yeah i did do that
20:01what did you do tommy
20:02i saw a lie
20:03what
20:04no
20:05so the judge is lying
20:06she's lying i'm lying
20:07right
20:07and you've got two blokes who seem to think you're telling the truth
20:10i think you're a dirty disgusting old man
20:25i'm not lying
20:40i'm not lying
20:45It's not about this, it's about him what he did to me!
20:56You got convicted, didn't you?
21:02You got convicted, didn't you?
21:04You've been convicted twice for abusing young children.
21:08I've got four kids and this is a civilised society. On two occasions, in fact,
21:13you have been convicted of abusing sexually a minor.
21:17She undoubtedly went off the rise.
21:19Do you know what I think? It's really contentious.
21:21I actually feel uneasy with you being here, so do you know what?
21:24Go somewhere else because there's a disgusting, horrible smell on this studio floor.
21:28Get off. Go. Away.
21:30Get. Go away. Whatever. Go. Not interested.
21:37We started this, how we'll finish this.
21:39Why did you want to do that today?
21:41I wanted to find out the truth, but obviously I'm never going to get it,
21:44because he's too in denial.
21:46It's no remorse.
21:47I can only give facts, and the facts are that on two separate occasions
21:51under the British legal system, this guy was convicted of sexual abuse.
21:56Not only on me, but off the others.
21:58What part of get him out do I not understand?
22:03I hope that you, because it was about you.
22:07Yeah.
22:08Although you didn't get the answers.
22:09I just want other people to come forward.
22:11This is the basic thing.
22:12People out there who have had this done to you,
22:15come forward because it'll help you.
22:17And you know the other thing that's interesting is your mum,
22:19who I...
22:20I have time for you.
22:22I know that in the past we've done stories
22:24and people have said I didn't say anything
22:26because my mum and my dad wouldn't have believed me,
22:28but she would have.
22:29And that's also a lesson there, I think,
22:31that if something like this is happening to you,
22:32that maybe if you do tell somebody very quickly
22:35you might be surprised,
22:36but anybody that loves you and cares about you will support you.
22:39It's a real pleasure.
22:40I really appreciate how brave you've been.
22:41Thank you very much.
22:42Do you want to go that way?
22:44Is that all right?
22:45Give them a round of applause.
22:47Right after this break,
22:48we're back with DNA results.
22:50Don't go any way.
22:51Well, you didn't say much.
22:52Who are you?
22:53You couldn't even remember me.
22:54You couldn't remember me.
22:55You're annoying.
22:56She didn't remember me.
22:58My sister didn't go around sleeping with squaddies.
23:01You don't know what happened.
23:01She slept with...
23:03You don't know what happened.
23:03She slept with one squaddy.
23:05You.
23:12Thank you very much indeed.
23:17Welcome back.
23:17My next guest today, Alan, is here to get long-awaited confirmation
23:20about who his father actually is.
23:21Now, he says,
23:22the man he believed to be his father, Derek,
23:24is nothing but a vile lowlife
23:25and he wants absolutely nothing more to do with him after today.
23:28He claims he will never ever forgive Derek, who would,
23:30for walking out on his mum when his mum at the time
23:33was tragically dying of cancer.
23:35This young man has much to say but is very nervous.
23:37Alan is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
23:42Thank you very much for coming in.
23:48This is a heck of a story.
23:51Now, your potential dad has been on the show before
23:53but you, I know, have so much you want to say.
23:56Let's just lay out the facts before we start.
24:00You, Derek, is potentially your dad.
24:04Mandy's your partner.
24:06Potentially half or full brother to Becky.
24:08Let's just talk about you and Derek.
24:11Derek's 43, you're 23.
24:12Being brought up, what were you told?
24:15Not really much.
24:16Being told much.
24:17Well, he walked out when I was young anyway, so...
24:20He walked out?
24:21Did you ever know him?
24:22Well, I heard that he walked out.
24:24I didn't know him that well
24:24because actually my mum passed away when I was six,
24:27so I didn't really know anything.
24:28This guy on my life today said,
24:33I am not his father.
24:36100%, right?
24:37He has always denied you.
24:40Yeah.
24:40What does that do to you?
24:42Oh, it pushed me down
24:43because I've been raised by my grandparents on my life.
24:45You lost your mum when you were six?
24:46Yes.
24:47And he did nothing in your mind.
24:49It's quite interesting.
24:50On the last show, he was proven to be Becky,
24:52who could be your half or full sister's dad.
24:54Yeah.
24:54They didn't seem to have much in common.
24:57You say, I've always felt abandoned.
24:59I sort of wanted a relationship,
25:01but he's always rejected me.
25:03Yeah.
25:04I can tell by looking at you
25:06that you have a lot that you want to say.
25:08Talk to me.
25:09Why are you here?
25:09What do you need?
25:10Well, I just want to come find the truth.
25:13What do you want from him if he is your dad?
25:15It's a lot to be there for me, to be honest with you.
25:17I'm 23, and if he is my dad, it doesn't really bother me.
25:20I've been 23 years without him.
25:21I've got my own family anyway, so...
25:24I've had plenty of...
25:25Are you angry?
25:27A wee bit angry, yeah.
25:28You met up with him a year ago, didn't you?
25:30You bumped into him.
25:30What happened? Tell the audience.
25:31Well, I bumped into him,
25:33had a little conversation with him,
25:35and then he saw his grandson,
25:37well, potential grandson, and then...
25:39He was pretty disgusting about your mother, wasn't he?
25:41Yeah, he was.
25:41Bear in mind this kid lost his mother when he was six.
25:44Told us that she was basically a dirtbag
25:46who would have threesomes with squatties
25:48and would sleep around.
25:49Oh, I don't think that's my mum anyway.
25:51It's not very nice to say to you,
25:52bearing in mind that your mother died from cancer, is it?
25:54No, not really.
25:55And if he is your kid, if you are his kid,
25:58he's done absolutely nothing,
25:58but he absolutely, I promise you, maintains 100%
26:02you are nothing to do with him.
26:04He wants nothing to do with you.
26:05Much like Becky, you're both vile, you're both disgusting.
26:08This man last time was one of the rudest men
26:10I've ever had on this show,
26:11but there you go.
26:12You said something that I really like.
26:14You say, looking at Derek
26:15and what little he's done for me and my sister
26:16makes me want to be a better dad for my son each and every day.
26:19I can do this, but it's better if it comes from you.
26:22Do you understand?
26:22Yeah.
26:23Make sure you say what you think.
26:24Derek, unfortunately, is back on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
26:40Oh boy.
26:4223 year old son, you said, um, I didn't find out Alan existed until he was a toddler, and his
26:48mum, who later died from cancer, absolutely told me that he wasn't mine.
26:53Correct.
26:54Last time on the show, Becky, you said you didn't believe that you were Becky's father, and it turned out
26:58you were, and you got very angsty.
27:00Now we've got another young man who says that he doesn't know who his father is.
27:04Yeah, I've been told that you are my dad.
27:06Hmm.
27:06By loads of people, and I just want to know why I want you there.
27:09Right, I'll tell you the truth, shall I?
27:11Well, speak up, because we can't hear you.
27:14Yeah, stand up to be a dad!
27:19Go on, then.
27:20Speak.
27:20Right.
27:22Your mother and I broke up, as you know.
27:24Did you walk out on her when she was dying of cancer?
27:27No, I didn't walk out on her when she was dying of cancer.
27:30I'll get to that in a minute.
27:31Do you remember last time on the show, when Becky, you said Becky wasn't your daughter?
27:34Did you give me a chair?
27:34Let's get Becky on the Jeremy Carl show.
27:36Give me a chair straight away.
27:40Oh, that's...
27:42God, he doesn't seem to...
27:45What?
27:45He is your son, Derek.
27:47I'm trying to get the point across.
27:48You're not, are you?
27:49You haven't said anything.
27:4923 years.
27:50You told...
27:51You told everybody.
27:52You said really disgusting things about his mother.
27:55Yes or no?
27:56I turned around and told you the truth.
27:57It's not the truth, Derek.
27:57What happened that night, when I waited outside to see Shirley, yeah, to speak to her about
28:03getting access to Rebecca when she was two years of age.
28:06You told my team I didn't even have sex with this woman around the time that Alan was conceived.
28:10True or false?
28:11So he can't be your son?
28:12Correct.
28:13100%?
28:17Not 100%, no.
28:19So there is a...
28:19I can't see.
28:20My mum is sleeping with other blokes.
28:24They tried finding this bloke to find out, to get a DNA test between a pair of us.
28:28Yeah.
28:29But this bloke, yeah, it's been shipped to somewhere else.
28:32Yeah, but all of a sudden this bloke's been shipped off.
28:34I've been told that you're...
28:35You told my team, quote or unquote, Derek, quote or unquote.
28:39If you're Alan's dad, you said, that would mean I had an affair behind my current wife's
28:43back and that never happened.
28:44You told my team...
28:45I've never told you about that.
28:46No, no, but I'm asking, you don't believe there's a chance that you can be his father,
28:50yes or no?
28:52No, I don't.
28:52At all.
28:54Because like I said, at the time...
28:55Because you were with your current wife.
28:56At the time.
28:57You are his father.
28:58How do you know that?
29:00Well, if you think about it, from January to October is nine months, right?
29:03Good.
29:04It's been on mum in February.
29:06I actually didn't.
29:08But you didn't think that Becky was your daughter.
29:10I was told us last time.
29:10It's been on my mother in February.
29:12Right.
29:13But you didn't think Becky was your daughter last time.
29:16I knew she was my daughter.
29:17That's not what you said on the last show.
29:19You've denied me for the past six, seven years, Derek.
29:21You ain't no father.
29:22I've been told to stay away from your father.
29:23I got told to stay away from you lot.
29:25No, you didn't.
29:26What's your partner called?
29:27Mandy.
29:27Mandy's on the Jeremy Kyle show as well.
29:29Get her out.
29:29Get Mandy out as well.
29:37Who's your son?
29:38And you know it.
29:39I've looked at photos of white me when I was younger.
29:42Yeah.
29:42And I've been told by all and everyone in my family, I looked spit image of you when I was
29:47younger.
29:48That's actually true as well.
29:49I'm a spit image.
29:51So where have you been?
29:52I actually took you and Rebecca up the day your mother died at the hospital.
29:56Why would you do that to a kid you don't think she was?
29:58Because they asked me to show for her mum up there.
30:00Her mum and...
30:01Did you go to the funeral?
30:02Did you go to the funeral?
30:03Yes, I did.
30:04No, you didn't.
30:05Yes, I did.
30:06No, you didn't.
30:07Yes, I did.
30:07I didn't see you there.
30:09Neither did anyone else.
30:09All right.
30:10In the church where it was at Woodland Cemetery.
30:12Yeah?
30:13The church was packed out.
30:15Isn't the truth that your ex-partner got ill with cancer and you did one and left two
30:19kids?
30:20A little side area there.
30:20A little side area there.
30:21In there sat.
30:23Yeah, but I don't remember.
30:25You knew.
30:25Derek, question.
30:26Is there any part of you or was there any part...
30:28Oh, yeah.
30:29There as well.
30:29Stop talking.
30:30Is there any part of you that believed at that moment that Alan was your son?
30:35Yes or no?
30:35Even a small moment.
30:37A small moment.
30:37Then why the hell have you done nothing for 23 years then?
30:41That's the point.
30:42Because it's happened with her.
30:45You've got...
30:46I've lost contact with this one.
30:47You've got your new wife and your new kids.
30:50When I was younger, I remember you coming to Nana's house.
30:52Yeah.
30:53Taking Becky out, but just totally ignoring me.
30:55I come down the stage and you said, all right, mate.
30:57And then you...
30:57You admitted that yourself.
30:58When your mum...
30:59When your mum lived at...
31:02I spent...
31:03That much higher than you, but still.
31:05Same thing.
31:06Why are you so disrespectful to your daughter?
31:10I'm only telling her what I'm trying to tell you.
31:12It's the truth, but none of you seem to be listening.
31:15Is this how you talk to your kids?
31:15You shouldn't talk to her like that.
31:16Is this how you talk to your kids?
31:18Do you talk to all your kids like this?
31:19Every time, Mandy, yeah?
31:20You should think last time.
31:23Hey, Derek.
31:23Right.
31:25You said you are it.
31:26Answer that.
31:27Why did you talk to your kids like that?
31:28I took you...
31:29Doesn't answer anything.
31:30I took Rebecca to the school up the road.
31:32Why would you do that to a kid that you don't think is yours then?
31:35I took you.
31:36Oi!
31:36Why would you take a kid to school or put him in your car and take him to a funeral
31:40if you
31:40don't believe there's a chance he's yours?
31:42And if you did, as you admitted, think there was a chance, why have you done nothing for 23 years?
31:47You won't answer that.
31:48It's the kind of person I am.
31:50What do you mean?
31:50What?
31:50You're a waste of space and you don't care about people.
31:53It's called trying to help people out, which is one thing you shouldn't be lacking these days.
31:56What?
31:56What?
31:57So, what?
32:00If I was a coward, if I was...
32:03Shut up, right?
32:05I've been looking for my dad for 24 years.
32:07You saw me outside the...
32:09Who are you?
32:11Who are you?
32:12Couldn't even remember me.
32:13I've had to get back.
32:14You're a liar.
32:14You're a liar.
32:18My sister didn't go back and sleep in the squaddies.
32:21You don't know what happened.
32:22She slept with one squaddy.
32:26So wasn't her and two of us, yeah.
32:28Dad, don't deny it.
32:30The only reason you're denying it is because you walk away.
32:33Two others.
32:34Oh, is that right?
32:35Who are you?
32:36Who are you?
32:37My auntie.
32:38So was your...
32:39Becky, hold on a second.
32:40Becky, Becky, wait.
32:41It was your sister that he was with.
32:43Yeah.
32:43Can we have some...
32:44What's your name?
32:44Kate.
32:45Kate, thanks for coming on the show.
32:46And your sister was in a relationship with this guy.
32:49Now, we've heard both sides of this story, right?
32:51But he doesn't seem to do much because last time he was on the show,
32:54Becky's not my kid.
32:54La, la, la, la, la, la.
32:55I didn't say that.
32:56Yes, you did.
32:57No, I didn't.
32:58She asked for a DNA test.
33:00You were screaming at your own daughter.
33:01She asked for a DNA test.
33:03You're a low-life waste of space, mate.
33:05That's the truth, aren't you?
33:06A DNA test for Liam and the girl.
33:08Get your facts, bro.
33:09Right?
33:10Yeah, facts.
33:10Facts.
33:12No father gets in their daughter's face.
33:14Quite right.
33:18Do you believe that he's your son?
33:20Like I told you.
33:21Then why have you done nothing about it, like I asked you?
33:24Because you told the team 100%.
33:26If there was a small chance,
33:28why have you done nothing to discover the truth over the last 23 years?
33:33Don't clap.
33:34Answer the question.
33:35Go on, you.
33:36Lost contact, for one.
33:37Didn't care.
33:38How have you lost contact?
33:39I moved up north.
33:40You could have gone.
33:41You still could have found.
33:42You knew where I was living.
33:43Actually, I didn't.
33:44I reckon.
33:44Because you turned up at the house picking up Becky when she was young.
33:47You come and visit us.
33:48To see her, to take Dan to her house when her baby was born.
33:53Exactly.
33:53So you knew we were staying at the same place?
33:55I've been at that house.
33:56Actually, we met Dan for 14 years.
33:58I was at that house for 16 years.
34:00We met.
34:01So you're basically saying there was a small part of you that thought he might be,
34:04but you haven't been able to do anything because you've lost contact.
34:07Not that you picked your new family and your new life,
34:10and you made a really interesting point.
34:12I reckon the reason you've denied this kid
34:14is because you're so under the thumb, despite your big gob,
34:16that your new wife wouldn't like it.
34:18Yeah, big gob.
34:19You didn't want her to be your daughter.
34:20You screamed in her face.
34:22And I bet he will tell now to be his son.
34:24And what if that make you?
34:25About the worst father that's ever been here.
34:27DNA next.
34:27I'm right back.
34:29You've got a new life now.
34:30You've got other kids.
34:31You've just forgotten about them two completely.
34:33I want to know.
34:34I want to know if you're my dad.
34:36I've been at that for 23 years.
34:38Alan, Alan, Alan.
34:50Derek, you don't seem to get this.
34:54You seem to just, okay, you want to talk to him.
34:57Last time on the show, you said,
34:58Becky's not my daughter, and then you were vile.
35:00I didn't say that.
35:02You admitted that there was a small part of you
35:04that believed that he might be your son,
35:05but you've done nothing.
35:06We've got to talk about Alan here at the moment.
35:07Yes, we are.
35:09If I'm a small part of your son, yeah?
35:11Listen to your potential son.
35:12Why haven't you literally gone out there and searched for me?
35:16I know you moved up north and everything,
35:18but you still knew where we live.
35:19So why wasn't you looking for me?
35:22Why wasn't I looking for you?
35:23Why wasn't you looking for me?
35:24Yeah.
35:25Answer that question.
35:26Come on.
35:26There's a thing called Facebook.
35:28Oh, God.
35:31I don't think it's funny.
35:33Let's answer the question.
35:34Nobody's ever made him answer the question.
35:36Alan, be quiet a minute.
35:37Why did you do nothing to find your son?
35:40Why didn't I?
35:40Yeah.
35:42I got to talk.
35:44Who's that?
35:46Who's Teresa?
35:47That's Teresa.
35:47Oh.
35:48No, I'm not.
35:49Cousin.
35:49Cousin, sorry.
35:50Teresa's on the Jeremy card.
35:51She has the whole family are here.
35:53Give a round of applause.
35:58You knew all the bad boys with them two,
36:00and you know it.
36:00You know what I mean?
36:02It's wrong.
36:02You haven't been there for him.
36:04You haven't been there for her.
36:05You've been, you know what I mean?
36:06You've got a new life now.
36:08You've got other kids.
36:08You've just forgotten about them two completely.
36:10Alan, you need to speak up.
36:11You need to get to the answers that you actually want.
36:13He hasn't been in your life whatsoever.
36:15He doesn't give a **** about you.
36:17He doesn't give a **** about Becky.
36:18You know what I mean?
36:19You've got kids now, both of you.
36:20And where has he been?
36:22Nowhere.
36:23Nowhere whatsoever.
36:29Very impressive.
36:31Not going to answer that either, eh?
36:32He hasn't got no answers whatsoever.
36:34You can get in her face.
36:35I'm pretty sure you can get in your son's face as well.
36:37No, he won't get in his face,
36:38because he'll knock him out.
36:40He's pretending he's someone else like he's an angel.
36:42That's why he won't get in his face.
36:43No, I'm just sitting and listening to you look.
36:45So what's your answer?
36:48Give him answers.
36:49You just understand this after your first boy's born.
36:52You've got funny.
36:53Answer about Alan.
36:54No, Bex.
36:55This is about Alan.
36:57I'm fine in that.
36:58I'm working my way along.
36:59Why, you're not getting there, are you?
37:00Just answer your **** mouth then.
37:02Why don't you shut your ****?
37:03Answer your potential ****.
37:06Alan doesn't want to know, yeah?
37:07But I want to know.
37:09I want to know if you're my dad.
37:10Yes, I know you want to know.
37:11I've been looking for 23 years.
37:12Okay?
37:13I've been brought up by my grandparents for all my life.
37:15Yes, I know you have.
37:16Yesterday you said to my team,
37:18I'm 100% sure he's not my son.
37:20True or false, Derek?
37:21I have popped round and seen your **** out of you
37:23when you were growing up.
37:26Why would you do that to a child that's not yours?
37:28Derek!
37:29I found out that you had ADHD.
37:31What?
37:33You were never there when he had ADHD.
37:34Did you or did you not?
37:36Alan, hold on a second.
37:36You were never there.
37:37Excuse me.
37:38That's a lie.
37:39That's a lie.
37:40Derek, did you or did you not say yesterday
37:42that you 100% know he's not your son?
37:44Did you or did you not say that to my team?
37:46Yeah, and then I was thinking about it overnight.
37:47It's a possibility that he could be mine.
37:48You thought about it overnight but not in the last 23 years then, yeah?
37:52Like I said...
37:53You're an absolute disgrace.
37:54You don't deserve to be a father to anybody.
37:56You don't.
37:57You thought about it overnight after 23 years.
38:01What about thinking about it 23 years ago?
38:03What about going and getting a test so that your son,
38:06if he is your son, and I genuinely don't know,
38:08wouldn't have to grow up?
38:09You know what I think?
38:10He probably wishes that you're not.
38:12Well, guess what?
38:13He is your biological son.
38:18I've told you, 23 years ago.
38:21Alan, Alan, Alan.
38:24Alan, mate, listen to me.
38:26Go and have your say.
38:27You have to.
38:28Do it.
38:2923 years.
38:30Just because he doesn't answer.
38:31I know it's difficult.
38:32Go.
38:33Come on, come here.
38:34Go.
38:34Not the girls, you.
38:36Just speak to him.
38:38Tell him.
38:39Why have you been hiding it?
38:42Why have you been hiding it?
38:44Been hiding it.
38:45Faking the old poor man.
38:46Or is it because you're ****ed it?
38:47Is it because ****ed it?
38:48Yeah.
38:49Where are you going?
38:49Do I go?
38:50No, sit down.
38:51Do you crack?
38:51I'm not going nowhere until I find the truth.
38:53If you want to talk, come in there, please.
38:54No, I want the truth.
38:55It's all about you, isn't it?
38:56No, it's not all about me.
38:57Then come back here and I'll do what he asks you.
39:00You ask me.
39:01You're walking away from your son again, shaking your head.
39:04I'm walking away from your son.
39:04I'm walking away from you.
39:05No, you're actually walking away from your son.
39:08Oh, come on, you lot.
39:09I've got to my head in, this does.
39:11Come on.
39:12He's walking away because he's gutless.
39:14He's walking away from your son.
39:16What was he?
39:16He had a deal.
39:18I didn't get a deal.
39:19I want to ask you, it's been 23 years, yeah?
39:21I didn't know who my dad was.
39:25Let him do it, girl.
39:26Step back.
39:27Back there a bit.
39:28You know I lost my mum at the age of six.
39:30Yeah, and I was there.
39:32All I had to look up at was my ****.
39:35That's it.
39:35On a minute.
39:36Pardon?
39:37No, you weren't.
39:37Forget everybody else.
39:39Speak to Alan.
39:39No, can you do me one thing first here, please.
39:41To hear me out, yeah?
39:43Where I can prove, yeah, that a shadow of doubt, I was at the day, I was there, the day
39:49the mother died.
39:50What has that got to do with the fact that you haven't been anywhere in the last 23 years?
39:56I was there in the day of the funeral.
39:56You're doing my head in.
39:57You've got Beavis and it's not here.
39:58Right, do me a favour.
39:59You, you, you and you.
40:00Back on stage.
40:00I've got nothing against you.
40:01Back on stage.
40:01Of course you've got nothing against him because you haven't got a leg to stand on now,
40:04have you?
40:05I've got four.
40:05Twenty.
40:06You've got four legs.
40:07Two legs, two sticks.
40:08There you go.
40:09That's your son.
40:10That's your son.
40:11And overnight you suddenly went from I'm 100% sure he's not.
40:15No, I will not.
40:15Then why was you saying that I wasn't?
40:18Why?
40:19Yeah, why?
40:19I had a doubt that you weren't.
40:21After what happened.
40:22Yeah, but my mum don't sleep around.
40:24My mum never slept around.
40:25After what happened that night and what I saw that night.
40:28So you abandoned them, basically, despite, this is the point.
40:31You got told to stay away.
40:33Oh, here we go.
40:33The old chestnut.
40:34What?
40:35As the years passed, you didn't do anything about it.
40:37Why not?
40:38Have you been done over?
40:40Oh, for God.
40:41No, have you?
40:42You're always...
40:43No, have you ever been done over?
40:44There's always an excuse with people like you.
40:46You don't even know why you would want to have an interview with you anyway.
40:49Mentally scarves your f***ing brain.
40:50Oh, mentally scarves, but you can go and have a new relationship and have other kids
40:53and abandon this boy for 23 years.
40:55Do you see?
40:56Do one.
40:57You're talking rubbish.
40:57They're always in the back of my f***ing mind.
40:59Oh, so in the back of your little mind for 23 years, if I did try and discover the truth,
41:05you might have been done over.
41:07Twice in 23 years.
41:07Shame they didn't do the job.
41:09Yeah?
41:09At that time, I was up north.
41:10You saw me twice in 23 years and you were always in the car.
41:13I was up north.
41:13Yeah.
41:14Give you what?
41:14That you weren't around?
41:16I had moved from Kent up north.
41:18Yeah, but you still couldn't come back.
41:19Due to personal reasons.
41:20Oh, more personal reasons.
41:21What was that?
41:23I'm not even going to go into that.
41:23A new family.
41:24Really?
41:25I then lost contact with Shirley and my daughter, Becky, but I got told that she had
41:29another baby, which I presumed was another man's because we'd not spoken or seen each
41:33other in ages and I'd moved on, married and I had other kids.
41:36Did you or did you not say that?
41:39Did I say that?
41:40I know 100% that the test tomorrow will come back that I'm not his dad, but I don't know
41:44why he wants to test anyway because he's already said he isn't bothered.
41:47If I am his dad or not, quite frankly, with this and Becky, I'm sick of everybody dragging
41:51my family, my important family, through the mud.
41:54It's clear that Becky and whoever else has got into Alan's head has convinced them
41:59and his dad when I am patently not.
42:01I didn't say that.
42:02Your words.
42:03Do me a favour.
42:03Can I believe you, you liar?
42:05I'm not my dad.
42:05The proof is right here.
42:07Not even sorry.
42:08If I didn't come on here, I would have done the DNA myself.
42:10What do you want now?
42:14What do you mean no family?
42:19They're all here for you.
42:21No, my family, my family, my son and my missus and me, right?
42:26Good luck to you.
42:27He's 10 months old and he doesn't know you.
42:29I hope you do well.
42:30Yeah, I'm glad he doesn't know you.
42:31I really do hope you do well.
42:32No thanks to you then, no?
42:34No, it's not.
42:35And you're alright with that, are you?
42:36He doesn't need anyone like you.
42:37I am glad.
42:38What do I make a point to when you produce this show?
42:40So, never let this low-life piece of rubbish near me again.
42:43Get out.
42:43Come on, mate.
42:44Go away.
42:45Just get lost.
42:50I'm not doing that anymore.
42:52Both of you, both of you, I mean, you're smiling probably because you know exactly what he is.
42:56It must have been difficult for you listening to him slag your sister off.
42:58But I think you get to a point in life where you go, do you know what?
43:01He's never been there.
43:02I'm 23 now.
43:03I'm 24 this year.
43:04He's never been there for me.
43:05I've now moved on.
43:07I've got my missus.
43:08I've got a nice, lovely son.
43:10He's literally waiting for me to go back to him, and I'm just going to live my life.
43:14A lot of people hang on to, you know, excuses or answers from absent parents, and it messes
43:18their lives up.
43:19I think you've moved on.
43:20I know Becky's moved on.
43:21I'm sorry for you as well having to do that.
43:23But at the end of the day...
43:24I'll never be like him with my son.
43:26Do you know what's brilliant about what you just said, right?
43:27We're out of time.
43:28But a lot of people, then, their lives, you know, go wrong, and they go, oh, my dad
43:32didn't want me, my mother ignored me.
43:33I would turn it completely on its head, which you've said to us, and I know Becky thinks
43:37this as well.
43:38Use that it as a motivation to be, as you said, the best father in the world.
43:43Because it ain't about money.
43:44It's about time.
43:45It's about consistency.
43:46And you love your kid, and you've got your missus, and there you are.
43:49You're a good dad.
43:50He's a brilliant father.
43:50Which means that you don't need that in your life.
43:53That's the most important.
43:54Why don't you all go that way together, all right?
43:56It's really nice to meet you, all right?
43:58Thanks a lot, darling.
43:58See you later.
43:59Nice to see you again.
44:00Let's give them a round of applause.
44:05Every time I do a part like that, I think about one thing about people like Derry.
44:08There are people watching this show who spend their lives wanting to be parents.
44:11People who have gone through IVF who can't afford it, whatever.
44:14And they must watch a program like that.
44:15And they must look at him and go, 23 years.
44:18You've ignored two of your kids.
44:19You have to come on a television show to be told.
44:20You've got two more kids, and you don't care.
44:23You walk out.
44:24He will find out in the long run exactly what he's done,
44:27because they will build a successful life.
44:29I'm out of time for this morning.
44:30If you want to be on my show, you need my help, you can visit my website.
44:32The details are on screen to my guests, to this audience, and to you at home.
44:35Thanks for watching.
44:36We'll see you very soon.
44:36Take care.
44:37Bye-bye for now.
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