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00:00Welcome to Beyond the Tape, I'm your host Mark Bassan, welcome to our viewers across Trinidad and Tobago, and of course our viewers across the globe, our brothers and sisters in Grenada.
00:21Welcome, we're on the eve of the Indian arrival holiday, and with us today is ASP Ishmael Pitt of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service. Welcome sir, how have you been?
00:33Not too bad at all, Mark, how have you been?
00:36I'm as good as can be, I guess.
00:37Excellent, excellent. Good afternoon Trinidad and Tobago, happy East Indian arrival day.
00:42And we know that this weekend will be fun-filled, a tremendous amount of activities.
00:48For that reason, we would want that everyone enjoys the weekend, but that it goes without negative incidents.
00:55So as the program develops, we'll be discussing some tips, some big events that are upcoming, and things that persons could do in order to make themselves happy.
01:03As you talk about the long weekend, we have three days, and obviously we have some inclement weather now on the horizon has already been affecting parts of Trinidad and Tobago, and I think one of the paramount things in everyone's minds is safety on the roadways.
01:22Of course, of course. So you are correct, the rain is here, and you know, we have been seeing a lot of activities taking place on the roadway.
01:32We have also been seeing an increase in terms of the police presence, the licensing officers doing their thing.
01:40At times we have seen that collaborative approach as well, which is organ well in terms of traffic management.
01:46But fundamental to all of this is the behavior of the persons who are using the roadways.
01:53And once persons understand their role and responsibility, it would make our job a lot easier.
01:58It would make traffic management a whole lot easier.
02:01It would make the safety of our roadways, you know, a reality.
02:05Yes, most certainly.
02:06And it is flip-sided, as I said, we also want people to be cognizant of the places they go, of the business transactions, or whatever kinds of transactions they might be doing.
02:18Because obviously we're going to refer to some things that happened over the last couple of hours.
02:22Yes, indeed.
02:23And we know we've got this big event coming up, the device cartel event.
02:29We can assure members of the public that we are going to have a tremendous police presence.
02:35We would ask persons to comply with the officers and the directions that they would be giving.
02:39There are things that we would not want persons to do, you know, persons who are firearm holders, lawfully that is, please don't come to the venue with firearms.
02:49You will not be allowed to enter the venue with your firearms.
02:51We know that given the type of concept it is, there are persons who might be tempted to want to use a particular type of drug in order to, how to put it, how to put it, a particular type of drug.
03:04Right?
03:04So they would want to be using that drug.
03:06But as far as the law is concerned, you cannot use marijuana in a public place.
03:10And, you know, we will be treating with that aspect of the law robustly.
03:15So this particular consort is one that we will ensure the patrons that, you know, the law enforcement will not just be present for the purpose of being present,
03:26but that we will be actively engaging, going through the crowds to ensure that persons comply, to ensure that level of safety.
03:33We will also be looking at the arrangements regarding motor vehicles because within these types of activities,
03:41we know that the opportunities present themselves to persons to, you know, move away with things that don't belong to them.
03:49So a tremendous amount of effort has gone into the planning and the security arrangements that will be taking place on that particular day.
03:58But most of all, we would ask persons, please comply with law enforcement.
04:02Please comply with the directives.
04:04Please act responsibility so that the event in itself would be an enjoyable one.
04:09And we wouldn't have to take action that would put persons in a position of disadvantage.
04:13Yeah, certainly.
04:14And, you know, and seeing that as well and the other side of that, we're going to have a lot of East Indian celebrations tomorrow and even during the weekend as well.
04:23Of course.
04:24Of course.
04:24And, of course, there will be people, a lot of people gathered in specific areas.
04:28We want to ensure that you will secure your vehicles properly because you never know in that unguarded moment somebody's looking or persons are looking to capitalize on you parking your vehicle and walking away to a venue nearby and leaving it, you know, vulnerable where they can actually break in and steal your car or steal your valuables in your car.
04:49Exactly.
04:49Exactly.
04:50So it's a matter of, yes, we are going to enjoy ourselves.
04:53This is a weekend that definitely is worthy of celebrating.
04:57But in doing so, we must be aware and we must not throw caution to the wind.
05:02You put it so succinctly in terms of ensuring that we secure our vehicles and also in terms of how we manage the roadways, in terms of how we navigate, how we drive, how we traverse, you know, we must align a high level of responsibility to that to ensure that we go from point A to point B safely.
05:23And, you know, come what Monday morning, we can say, hey, we all had an enjoyable weekend and it was incident-free.
05:28Yes, certainly.
05:29All right.
05:30We're going to take a quick look now at our headlines.
06:02So those are some of the headlines within the past 24 hours.
06:11And, you know, we have a very disturbing video to show you about car jockeying that took place last night along the southern main road in Curip as employees were locking up a business establishment.
06:25And it appears that a driver came to pick them up.
06:29This is what happened.
06:32Yes.
06:32So it is a lengthy video and I know we have edited because of the time.
06:37But what is notable is that the driver took a considerable period or he stood there for a considerable period.
06:44We don't know at this point in time if he was being watched.
06:47Yeah, this is when he was approached when he was approached by the teeter.
06:50Yeah, this is when he was approached by the teeter.
06:51So.
06:55So clearly, the assailant is armed with what looks like a firearm, resembles a firearm.
07:01And forces him out of the vehicle.
07:04I like that the driver remained calm and he complied.
07:10Of course, he was asking them to throw his phone out.
07:17But obviously, they weren't paying him any heed.
07:20Yeah.
07:21And I guess, as our producer asked before the show, what should persons do in a situation like this?
07:28This is another angle here of the two female employees leaving the establishment.
07:33It appears to be a pharmacy from the top there at the left.
07:37Okay, well, what stands out here, and again, we are not victim blaming.
07:43Yes.
07:43We are all, at times, within a comfort zone.
07:47And, you know, for that reason, sometimes we tend to not really pay attention to a lot of what is happening around us.
07:53But the whole aspect of situational awareness is something that we must consider throughout.
07:59And it doesn't put us in a position where we'd be foolproof, so to speak.
08:03I mean, there's always the unguarded moment, but it can place us in a position where we can observe things that are happening in our environment
08:10and make the appropriate decision in order to avoid those things from happening.
08:15So, it's a matter of awareness.
08:19Yeah.
08:20Understanding, observing.
08:22There are things that might stand out that might render itself suspicious.
08:28Mm-hmm.
08:28And, based on that, you are now able to respond appropriately.
08:33Now, obviously, they would have known, or probably looking at his movements for a period of time,
08:40to see that he goes and he picks up these employees or his relatives or whoever they might be.
08:46And, you know, interesting question would be, I know it's a main road, so it's difficult to reverse into a spot
08:53where you can actually see things happening if you reverse and they pull up on you.
08:58I don't know if the car was already blocked, even if it was in the opposite direction.
09:05Well, what happens at times is that when we sit in vehicle and we wait on persons,
09:11you know, sometimes we are on our phones and we are otherwise engaged,
09:15and a lot of things could be happening around us that, again, we might be unaware of.
09:22So, we advise persons, even when we are speaking to different groups regarding vehicle safety,
09:27that it is not advisable that you sit in a vehicle for an undue period of time.
09:33Right.
09:33That puts you at a disadvantage because persons tend to look at your pattern,
09:39your mode of operation, the way you behave, and you might be correct.
09:43It could be a case where this person was being looked at for a considerable period,
09:49and they understand his behavior, and based on that,
09:53they were able to use the opportunity to the advantage.
09:57We are hopeful that anybody with information about this particular crime
10:01will contact the nearest police station.
10:04Of course, you can also contact Crimestoppers as well,
10:06if you have any information that might be valuable to this particular crime.
10:11And there's another interesting video that emerged this morning
10:15outside the Port of Spain jail.
10:18Let's take a look at it.
10:22This is pretty early.
10:25This person, you just see there, and he's running away,
10:29throws what appears to be two bags over the Port of Spain jail.
10:34Well, you said it's pretty early.
10:38He's pretty bold.
10:39It's pretty brisant.
10:40And the video is pretty clear.
10:42Yes, it is.
10:43So we expect that pretty soon, he may not be in a pretty position.
10:47Well, I think he's already not in a pretty position
10:49because I understand that the individual is from the Duncan Street area,
10:55and he has since been apprehended by the police.
10:58But more so, it speaks to the security,
11:02and I know that the prison commissioner would have spoken to the media.
11:05Following this, there was an online story,
11:07and he spoke about the fact that there are constant patrols around the jail.
11:14But what they do is that they wait for when the jeep moves
11:17and goes around the block.
11:20That is the opportune time to throw contraband over the jail walls.
11:25And this has not been the first.
11:27It has happened many times, especially during the nighttime period.
11:31And my understanding is that this individual in question
11:34has done this before and was already before the court for a similar offense.
11:40Well, a repeat offender, and based on your information,
11:44we trust that justice will be served,
11:47and he will be treated as repeat offenders ought to be treated.
11:51Yes.
11:51But you mentioned something, and it's very significant.
11:54You mentioned that based on the information you got,
11:59it's a case of the patrols doing their stuff,
12:02and these guys are now able to look at the pattern of the patrols
12:05and find that window of opportunity in order to carry out these acts.
12:09So similar to what we were discussing with the guy in the vehicle,
12:14in terms of persons watching you
12:16and trying to understand your modes of operation,
12:18similarly as law enforcement,
12:20we tend to keep changing our modes of operation
12:24in order to still capture that element of surprise
12:29and not be predictable.
12:31Largely, you know, it's a difficult undertaking
12:35because of the fact that, you know,
12:37oftentimes our job means operating in marked police vehicles.
12:42But it's not something that we throw caution to the winner about,
12:47and, you know, in many instances,
12:48we were able to change our modes of operation
12:51and be successful at it.
12:53And I'm glad you mentioned the word captured.
12:56Yeah.
12:56And this third video is a really good demonstration of the police.
13:02At work, three alleged snatchers
13:06along the Bryan-Lara Promenade
13:09held by police officers sometime this morning,
13:13and you see they're being ushered away there
13:16into police vehicles.
13:18Yes, and you said three snatchers, right?
13:21So persons who engage in larceny from the person,
13:25and we, based on our understanding
13:28of this particular crime type
13:29and how they go about it,
13:31it's usually a group of persons who run a relay.
13:34So one person would take,
13:35and then they would pass on to somebody else
13:37and then give somebody to reach to the homestretch.
13:40So definitely we must commend the efforts
13:44of the police officers
13:45who were able to apprehend not just one person,
13:48but three persons who were responsible
13:50for carrying out these acts.
13:51Yes, certainly.
13:52Quick work by the police,
13:54and we obviously have to commend them for that.
13:56All right, we're going to take a short break,
13:58and we'll be back.
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16:59Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
17:15I'm your host, Mark Bissan,
17:16joined today by ASB Ishmael Pitt
17:17of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
17:20ASB Pitt,
17:21often when you hear about
17:23a taxi driver abducted
17:25or a ride-share driver,
17:27for a matter of speaking,
17:28it always ends badly
17:30in most cases, right?
17:32And I really want to say
17:33this particular story
17:35ended well for the victim.
17:39Mr. Keston Ramsey,
17:41a ride-share driver,
17:42abducted by two men
17:44while plying his vehicle.
17:48And apparently,
17:50they took him to a area
17:51in Santa Cruz,
17:52where they met
17:52two other victims.
17:54He was tied to a tree
17:56and beaten badly
17:57by his assailants.
17:59I guess,
18:01in that moment,
18:03one of the assailants
18:04saw a Bible in his car.
18:07And I think he asked them
18:09if he could pray for them.
18:11And in doing so,
18:12of course,
18:14some of the assailants
18:15opened up to him
18:16and were speaking to him
18:18about the troubles
18:19that they were going through
18:20and so on.
18:21Mind you,
18:21they did take his vehicle,
18:23they did take his possessions
18:25and so on.
18:26But they released him
18:27and it did not take his life.
18:29And he was able to
18:30make his way later
18:32to the police station
18:33and give a full report.
18:35And we're just thankful
18:36that Mr. Ramsey is alive
18:39and I'm sure his family
18:40and his friends as well.
18:42Yeah, definitely.
18:43And I echo your sentiments
18:44in that we are thankful
18:45that he's alive.
18:47Usually, persons provide
18:49a service with the ride share
18:50arrangement.
18:52And, you know,
18:53most citizens
18:55who utilize that service
18:57will always speak about
18:58how convenient it is.
19:01And it is sad
19:02that when persons
19:03volunteer themselves
19:04to be part of the service
19:06as a provider
19:08that you are faced
19:09with all these risks.
19:11And, you know,
19:11it's risk that is
19:12very difficult
19:13to be managed
19:14because, you know,
19:15persons just want to make
19:16an honest dollar.
19:18And, you know,
19:18we are being modern
19:21when we look at
19:22the different styles
19:23of providing
19:24that type of
19:25taxi service.
19:26and when persons
19:29invade that arrangement,
19:31it makes it more difficult
19:32for persons
19:33who have a similar ambition
19:34to want to offer themselves
19:36as taxi drivers.
19:38So, people don't understand
19:39the ramifications
19:40of their actions
19:41and what they can be
19:42destroying
19:44in just being selfish
19:46and being self-seeking
19:47and carrying
19:47all these particular acts.
19:48It brought back memories
19:49of the, I don't know
19:50if you remember
19:51the ride share driver
19:52many months ago
19:53last year
19:54when missing
19:54you never found him
19:55and I think, yeah.
19:56and it was really bad.
19:58He was a young man
19:59who had a child,
19:59I believe,
20:00and I think
20:01they took his life
20:02and it was really sad
20:04that, you know,
20:05it brought back
20:06those kinds of memories
20:07when you see things
20:08like this happen.
20:09And largely,
20:10it's innocent men.
20:11Yeah.
20:12Innocent men
20:13who are just trying
20:14to make an honest living,
20:16you know,
20:16and it's really sad
20:18to accept.
20:19Yeah, and obviously,
20:21there was also
20:21a shooting
20:22in the Diggle Martin
20:23Richmond area
20:24last night
20:24where two victims
20:27were shot.
20:28One is in hospital
20:29listed in stable condition
20:30and the other
20:31apparently
20:32was shot in the shoulder
20:33and fled.
20:35One was identified
20:37the victim
20:37as Jeremy Taddy.
20:40I hope I got that right.
20:41Taddy.
20:41Taddy.
20:42He was shot
20:43in the chest,
20:44arm and foot.
20:45He was sitting
20:46in the vehicle
20:46with another man,
20:48another victim
20:48identified as Jeremy Williams
20:50in the Richmond
20:50Diggle Martin area
20:51and apparently
20:53a vehicle pulled up
20:54and opened the fire
20:55on them
20:56as they sat
20:57in their vehicle
20:58and drove off.
21:00Mr. Williams
21:00apparently ran out
21:01of the vehicle,
21:02shot in the shoulder
21:02and fled.
21:05And then,
21:05of course,
21:07the other victim
21:07was taken
21:08to the Portispean
21:09General Hospital
21:10where he was treated
21:11and listed
21:12in a stable condition.
21:13Yeah.
21:14And more and more
21:15and it just
21:16goes to the point
21:17that we were making earlier
21:18regarding
21:19that vulnerability
21:22that is attached
21:23to sitting in vehicles.
21:24Yes.
21:25You know,
21:25it places you
21:26in a position
21:26of disadvantage
21:27and again,
21:28we are not victim blaming
21:29but I always say
21:31that we can learn
21:32from each other's experiences.
21:35So,
21:35sitting in a vehicle
21:36you know,
21:37on your phone
21:38or sometimes
21:38having a conversation
21:39or whatever you are doing,
21:41sometimes you are blind
21:42to what is happening
21:43in the world.
21:44And for that reason
21:45you are vulnerable
21:46and persons can
21:47pounce on you
21:48without your knowledge
21:49and, you know,
21:51put you in a very,
21:52very bad position.
21:53Yes.
21:54Yes,
21:54I agree with you
21:55100%.
21:56We just want to remind you
21:58of the numbers
21:58to call
21:59623-1711
22:02extensions
22:031996
22:04and 1997.
22:06So,
22:07we have some time
22:08to call in
22:09and give us
22:10your opinion,
22:10your feedback
22:11or any questions
22:12that you might have
22:13that ASP
22:14Pitt can answer.
22:15As we continue
22:17our talk about
22:17situational awareness
22:19and the last couple
22:21of videos
22:21would have shown that
22:22and the conversations
22:23that both
22:24ASP Pitt and myself
22:26are having
22:26about that
22:27and that is the kind
22:29of thing
22:29that we want
22:29to transcend
22:30as we even think
22:31about this long weekend
22:32and where are we going,
22:35who are we going with,
22:36what time are we going,
22:38what time are we coming back
22:39and of course
22:40there's also the flip side
22:41to don't advertise
22:42everybody,
22:43I'm going to the
22:44cartel concert
22:45because there are people
22:46that are going to be like,
22:47okay, you're going,
22:48we're going to your home.
22:49Yeah, yeah, exactly
22:51and that's a big point.
22:53There are persons
22:53who broadcast
22:54their entire life
22:56on social media
22:57and persons
22:58are able to use
22:59this information
23:00and utilize it
23:03towards wrongdoings.
23:04So the question is
23:06why do you feel
23:07that you have to place
23:08everything that you are
23:09going to do
23:09on social media?
23:11We know that we live
23:12in a technological world,
23:15it's a modern era
23:16and it has become
23:19the culture now
23:20for persons
23:20in terms of posting
23:22and having these
23:23type of engagements
23:24but with everything
23:26there also comes
23:27disadvantages
23:28and we must be able
23:29to understand
23:30what works
23:31as a disadvantage
23:32to us.
23:33Now just on the issue
23:34of situational awareness
23:35and this I think
23:37is a classical example
23:38regarding someone
23:40who has headphones
23:42in their ears
23:43and they are probably
23:46going around
23:46let's say the savannah
23:48jogging or walking
23:49as the case may be.
23:50Now we are not going
23:51to just put it
23:52towards a situation
23:53of crime.
23:53Let's say a vehicle
23:54loses control
23:55and is coming
23:56towards that person
23:57and the driver
23:58is utilizing his horn
24:00trying to avoid
24:02or making persons
24:04aware that he has
24:04lost control
24:05of the vehicle.
24:06Because of the fact
24:07that you have
24:08this thing in your air
24:08and you may not be
24:09looking in that
24:10particular direction
24:11you cannot react,
24:13you cannot respond,
24:14you cannot protect
24:14yourself.
24:15So similarly
24:16when we are
24:19within particular
24:20areas we need
24:22to understand
24:23that we must rely
24:24on our senses
24:25and allow them
24:26to function,
24:28give them the
24:28opportunity to give
24:29us the type of
24:30information that is
24:31necessary to protect
24:32ourselves,
24:33make ourselves
24:33harder targets.
24:34And of course,
24:35added to that
24:36of course,
24:37when we look at
24:38motorists,
24:39they are driving
24:40down the street
24:41and your music
24:42is loud.
24:43Ah, good point.
24:44So that if an ambulance
24:45or police vehicle
24:46is coming behind you,
24:48in most cases
24:49you can't hear.
24:51I mean,
24:52and I'm talking
24:52about not just
24:53loud music
24:54but a normal radio
24:56playing in your car
24:56that is ever sitting
24:57and your glasses
24:58are up
24:59and ambulance
25:01might be a couple
25:01cars behind you.
25:03You're not hearing
25:03or you're not seeing
25:04because you're driving
25:05forward in traffic
25:06even but you also
25:08have to be wary
25:10and cognizant
25:10of that as well.
25:12Of course.
25:13And there you go.
25:14That is a perfect
25:14example of
25:15situational awareness
25:17and, you know,
25:18being unable
25:19to exercise it
25:20appropriately.
25:21And again,
25:22it puts you,
25:23the individual,
25:24at a disadvantage.
25:24So why would we
25:26want to put ourselves
25:27in that position?
25:28As human beings,
25:29there are things
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25:32and it is important
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25:41in a position
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25:43Yes.
25:43Good advice there
25:44from ESP Pitt.
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27:59Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
28:14I'm your host,
28:15Mark Bussan,
28:15joined today by ASP Pitt
28:17of the Trinidad and Tobago
28:18Police Service.
28:20We have our first call
28:21on the line.
28:22Caller, good evening.
28:24Hello, good afternoon.
28:26Good evening, caller.
28:27Good afternoon, ma'am.
28:27Good afternoon, ma'am.
28:32Two things this afternoon.
28:34Firstly,
28:34let me make
28:35a contribution
28:37regarding
28:38persons
28:39and being aware
28:40on the streets.
28:42So many times
28:43we keep seeing persons
28:44crossing the streets
28:45with their,
28:46you know,
28:46they're on a call,
28:48they're on a cell phone,
28:49and sometimes
28:49it's tough for them
28:50and they cross so casually.
28:52Yeah.
28:53They cross so casually.
28:55Sometimes you see vehicles
28:56coming really fast.
28:57And you see in somebody
28:58they're just lingering
28:59on the phone
29:00with no concern at all.
29:02That's my first contribution.
29:04Yeah.
29:04And the second thing,
29:06again,
29:07we have situations
29:08where members
29:09of the public
29:10who are mentally unstable,
29:14what is put in place,
29:17what is in place
29:18to really address
29:20this problem?
29:20a mental health person
29:24harassing a family
29:27and you would make
29:29report after report
29:30and you hear the same thing
29:31over and over.
29:33But nothing,
29:34we have no redress,
29:35no redress.
29:36What are we to do?
29:37What are we to do?
29:41Yeah.
29:42So those are my two
29:43contributions
29:44for the afternoon.
29:45Yeah.
29:46Thank you very much,
29:47ma'am.
29:48Thanks a lot,
29:48Kola.
29:49Yes,
29:49Pippet?
29:51Well,
29:51firstly,
29:51she made a statement
29:54regarding persons
29:55who would be crossing
29:56the roadway
29:57and they're totally
29:58unaware
29:58and it's as though,
30:00you know,
30:00they don't have
30:01a care in the world.
30:02As we would put it,
30:03they are flirting
30:04with danger
30:04because you don't know
30:06if someone's vehicle
30:07breaks could give away
30:09and consequently
30:10cause you injury.
30:13So,
30:14that,
30:15and it happens
30:15so regularly
30:16and for those persons
30:18who are drivers
30:19of motor vehicles,
30:20you can relate to that
30:21where persons would
30:22cross in front
30:23of your vehicle
30:24and throw all care
30:25to the world
30:26and then,
30:26you know,
30:26it's as though
30:27they're cruising
30:27and things like that.
30:30So,
30:30good point,
30:31Kola,
30:31and,
30:31you know,
30:31we would always
30:32ask persons
30:33to please
30:33and that road safety
30:35aspect of things
30:36is not just limited
30:37to drivers,
30:38it also goes
30:39to pedestrians,
30:40you know,
30:41road safety
30:41is everybody's business.
30:43So,
30:43even the man
30:44who's crossing
30:44the roadway
30:45because that can
30:45contribute to an accident
30:46as well.
30:47Yes,
30:47as simple as it might be
30:49and oftentimes
30:50we know that drivers
30:51usually have
30:52the higher burden
30:54if you would call it
30:55that regarding accidents
30:56and persons tend
30:57to take that for granted
30:58as pedestrians
30:59and they believe
31:00that,
31:00you know,
31:00they can just
31:02do what they want
31:03on the roadway
31:03in terms of crossing
31:04but there's a,
31:05there's a cost
31:06attached to that
31:07because,
31:08you know,
31:08you can't,
31:09if you are injured
31:10in a particular way,
31:11sometimes you can't
31:12restore your,
31:13your,
31:13your be restored
31:14to your full capacity
31:15so to speak.
31:16Yes.
31:17Yeah,
31:17so it's a really
31:17serious,
31:18serious issue
31:19and we would want
31:19persons to take it
31:20seriously.
31:21she spoke of persons
31:24being mentally unstable
31:26and what is the type
31:27of response,
31:27what are our citizens
31:29supposed to do
31:31in those circumstances
31:32where persons
31:34who are deemed
31:36to be mentally unstable
31:37attack them
31:38or,
31:39you know,
31:39there's this sense
31:40of threat
31:41or we can only
31:43based on their behavior
31:44anticipate that something
31:45onto what is going
31:46to take place.
31:47so,
31:48ma'am,
31:50you can reach out
31:51to the nearest
31:52police station
31:53regarding any issue
31:54of someone
31:55who has a,
31:56a mental health
31:57or believed to be
31:58mentally,
32:00you know,
32:01unstable
32:01and they are behaving
32:03violently.
32:04Now,
32:05this,
32:05this is a particular
32:06area that,
32:08from a policing standpoint,
32:10is very sensitive.
32:11I think she,
32:11she mentioned that
32:12a family was being harassed
32:14and they had made
32:14a police report
32:15so,
32:15I guess she's asking
32:16for some guidance.
32:17What's next?
32:18Yes,
32:18yes.
32:19So,
32:19so,
32:20really and truly
32:20the court deems persons,
32:22you know,
32:22mentally unstable
32:23based on whatever
32:24expert evidence
32:26that they would get
32:27and then the court
32:28would take the necessary action.
32:30But,
32:30but what happens
32:30to the man in the street
32:31because sometimes it's,
32:33you know,
32:33and you even hear people
32:34saying,
32:35I am a papers
32:35and,
32:36you know,
32:36they use that as a,
32:37as a threat,
32:39yeah,
32:39to tell you that
32:39I would do something
32:40and I would get away with it.
32:41And sometimes even
32:42the police is confronted
32:44with these mentally ill people
32:45That's where I was going.
32:47Right.
32:47Who become violent
32:49in some way.
32:50That's right.
32:50And then the police,
32:52unfortunately,
32:53in some circumstances
32:54are forced to use force.
32:55Force.
32:56Yes.
32:56And,
32:57you know,
32:58and that's why I say
32:58it's a sensitive issue
33:00because we now have to partner
33:02with healthcare officials
33:03in order to treat
33:05with persons
33:06who are mentally unstable.
33:08and there are times
33:10it would go horribly wrong.
33:11Yes.
33:12And,
33:12you know,
33:12as an organization,
33:14we are meted out
33:16for a lot of criticism
33:17when that happens.
33:19And,
33:19you know,
33:20fortunately,
33:21we are in a position now
33:22where we have the use
33:23of weapons
33:24that are non-fatal
33:25in terms of pepper spray
33:27and what have you.
33:28But there are still instances
33:29where,
33:30based on the violent nature
33:32of some persons,
33:33it is difficult
33:34for the officers
33:34to really have
33:36that presence of mind
33:37to utilize
33:39whatever force
33:42that might be appropriate
33:43at the point in time.
33:44So,
33:44it's a very sensitive,
33:46volatile type of situation
33:48to end up in.
33:50But,
33:50nonetheless,
33:51we are the law enforcement agency
33:53and,
33:54you know,
33:54we will treat with
33:55issues of that nature
33:57where persons are violent
33:58and they are threatening
33:59public safety.
34:01We have to intervene.
34:02As I said before,
34:03it's something that is
34:03very sensitive
34:04and for that reason,
34:05we often have to partner
34:07with health care officials.
34:09You know,
34:09and sometimes,
34:10even that arrangement
34:11doesn't go as smoothly
34:12as we would like
34:13because you would have
34:14the police officers
34:14on the scene
34:15and sometimes,
34:16the response of the health care
34:19is one that we have
34:20to wait on.
34:21And in that precious time,
34:23you know,
34:24a lot of things
34:24can occur.
34:26Yeah?
34:26So,
34:28the reality is,
34:29it's something that we have
34:30to treat with.
34:31You know,
34:32it's a,
34:33it's a type
34:35of situation
34:36that warrants
34:39what we would call
34:40an additional type
34:41of intervention
34:42in terms of
34:43even the development
34:45of our officers
34:46regarding having
34:47the necessary skill set
34:49in terms of
34:49treating with instances
34:50of that
34:51because a lot of officers
34:52have not experienced
34:53that type of situation
34:53before.
34:55And also,
34:55I don't mean to cut you
34:56but there's a caller
34:58and I've been waiting
34:59for a bit
34:59but we'll continue.
35:00Sorry, caller.
35:00Sorry, caller.
35:01Good evening, caller.
35:05Good evening, gentlemen.
35:07Good evening, sir.
35:08Good afternoon, sir.
35:08Just to point, sir,
35:10for your input about, right?
35:14So, elsewhere,
35:15I would have engaged
35:16one of your senior colleagues
35:18with respect to two points
35:20that I made.
35:21And the first point I made
35:23was that you have
35:24recent uptick
35:25in persons being reported
35:27from other jurisdictions
35:28and they may come here
35:30and some of them
35:31may have charges
35:33of sexual nature
35:34and so on, right?
35:36Yeah.
35:36And what I explained to her
35:37is that once somebody
35:38commits a crime
35:39in another jurisdiction
35:41because I would call
35:42some people
35:43generally saying that
35:44if you could come back here
35:45and they are sexual offenders,
35:47the public should know
35:48about them.
35:49And what I opined to her
35:51was that
35:52how things work there
35:54is that once somebody
35:55comes here
35:56and they are
35:56repatriated,
35:58the crimes that happened
35:59over there,
36:00they have no bearing
36:01on offenses here.
36:02So, even if you are
36:03a sexual offender
36:04in another jurisdiction,
36:06those records
36:06cannot be used here
36:08for you to be included
36:10in our sexual offenses registry.
36:12You have to be an offender here
36:14to be so included.
36:16Right?
36:17And the second point
36:19I made to her
36:20or attempted to ask for opinion
36:21and I'll ask your opinion,
36:23in case of the plethora
36:24of domestic violence
36:25intimate partner offenses,
36:29would it be a consideration,
36:30could the consideration
36:31of the electronic monitoring
36:34of persons
36:35who orders are issued against
36:37be something
36:38that the police service
36:39would consider
36:40in terms of
36:41trying to control
36:43the alleged offender
36:45from offending
36:46either when the matter
36:47is at an interim
36:48protection order stage
36:50or a final order
36:51protection stage
36:52in terms of
36:54you have the persons
36:55monitoring them
36:57and that there is
36:58another level of
36:59or layer of protection
37:00for a victim
37:02that precludes
37:05just police
37:06or police response.
37:07meaning
37:08you breach the order
37:10while you're being
37:11electrically monitored
37:12that should trigger
37:13some sort of penalty
37:15whether it's
37:16incarceration
37:17or the presumption
37:19that you are
37:20innocent of the charges
37:21being removed
37:22because your behavior
37:24of breaking
37:24the electronic monitoring
37:26will then make you
37:27guilty of the offense.
37:29You know what I mean?
37:30Yes.
37:31While it may impact
37:33on some of your
37:33four, five, and six
37:35rights under the Constitution
37:37because of
37:38how are the
37:39I'm going to change
37:39now in terms of
37:40these statistics
37:41I would think
37:42that this would be
37:43a measure
37:43that would be
37:44welcome.
37:46And finally
37:46I saw on Facebook
37:48where fire arm training
37:49was done in Tobago
37:50and was highlighted
37:51and things.
37:52I have a disquiet
37:53with the exposure
37:55of this.
37:56I understand
37:56the reason why
37:57it's done
37:57but I'm saying
37:58you would not see
37:59the Israeli army
38:02or the IDF
38:03doing something like that
38:04showing the training
38:05that is being done
38:06to the officers.
38:06And I'm saying
38:07yes, we want to be open
38:09when the shared officers
38:10are being trained
38:11but I have seen
38:12even in appearances
38:13before the Joint Select Committee
38:15where people will ask
38:17to give their evidence
38:18in a private setting.
38:20And I'm saying
38:20if we train our officers
38:22the training for me
38:23will be evidenced
38:25when they engage
38:26perpetrators
38:27who wish to harm people
38:28on the outside
38:30by satisfaction
38:31and you would know
38:32as a senior officer
38:33training is ventilated
38:35in the courts
38:36when officers
38:37appear there
38:38to give evidence
38:39where
38:39the people who do
38:40the training
38:41may be called
38:42as expert witnesses
38:43to testify
38:44well yes
38:45that officer X, Y, or Z
38:47was trained
38:48in this particular fire
38:49and I certified them
38:51so trained.
38:52And I just told
38:53I dropped that there
38:54and you could
38:54repine
38:55and listen out here.
38:56Kola, thanks for
38:59your informative
39:00questions
39:00and obviously
39:01ASP Pit
39:02will answer
39:03after this break.
39:04Stay with us.
39:05and I'll see you next time.
39:35Everything is karate.
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40:42Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
40:57I'm your host, Mark Bussandt, with ASP Ishmael Pitt of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
41:02And, yeah, you have some responding to do.
41:05Yes, so I know I was being long-winded in my response with the mentally unstable question.
41:11And I would wrap on that by saying, ma'am, please contact the nearest police station.
41:16I'm going to have a conversation with the officers there as to what is the best form of intervention
41:21dependent on the type of behavior that has been exhibited by this individual.
41:27Regarding the last caller, so he mentioned, firstly, the sex offender who committed offenses in another jurisdiction.
41:36And based on our circumstance, we are unable now to have them on the registry
41:43so that the average member of the public could be aware as to who this individual is
41:47and, as such, take the necessary action in order to protect themselves and their children, as the case may be.
41:53And, yes, there are some limitations, but as we were discussing off-air,
41:59especially if it's in the instance of the United States, you know, we can use the Internet
42:04in order to get information on persons and in order to get the same type of information
42:11that we might be seeking locally to have an understanding as to what type of person
42:18is now within our community, within our space, who we are now exposed to.
42:24So it's not necessarily the best thing, but it still poses itself an option for us to get information.
42:35Now, I will still have a discussion with the persons at that particular department
42:42to see what methods that are used in terms of sensitizing persons when persons who come from abroad
42:50and who have been deemed sex offenders, what is the type of approach that is usually provided
42:56regarding the community that these persons may reside in.
43:00Right.
43:00Yeah?
43:01You spoke about the use of the ankle bracelet, right, so use of technology in order to monitor persons.
43:09And I'm saying it's a brilliant idea because usually this is utilized, you know,
43:15when persons are on bail so that you can monitor their movements to ensure that they don't skip bail
43:21and things like that.
43:22And, yes, if they tamper with the device, it is an offense.
43:25It also could offer law enforcement the opportunity to be proactive so that if we recognize that someone
43:31is now going into a space that they are not supposed to be going into that response.
43:35Reach the protective order.
43:36Thank you very much.
43:37And then you obviously initiate the anklet.
43:40That is correct.
43:41That is correct.
43:42And lastly, he spoke about the, so that's a good suggestion, Colin,
43:46and it's something definitely that, you know, we can discuss and consider.
43:51Regarding the FIAM training, he said that, you know, he found that the, well,
43:57he's aware of a FIAM training that took place in the Tobago Division involving police officers,
44:03and he felt that, you know, it was publicized to the disadvantage of law enforcement,
44:09you know, that certain sensitive things mustn't become public information.
44:13I am aware that there were some pictures regarding officers who had a particular FIAM activity.
44:21I can't say if it was one that was necessarily training or if it was a shooting competition, per se.
44:30Yeah.
44:30I don't know.
44:32But what I can say is that usually the shooting competitions are things that are, you know,
44:38I don't want to say public information, but the officers on completion would take pictures
44:42and, you know, they would get trophies for those who did well and so on and so forth.
44:45So I don't know if that was the particular case.
44:48But on the other hand, training is not something that is usually public information.
44:53Yeah.
44:53So I'm thinking that it was a case of a shooting competition carried out by the Tobago Division
44:58and, you know, persons may have seen the pictures of this in the public domain.
45:03All right.
45:03We quickly want to go to a video feature.
45:06Senior Superintendent Charles, along with members of the Port of Spain City Strike Team
45:10in company with officers of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service, conducting an intelligence-led
45:15police exercise in the Port of Spain area.
45:17And these are some of the findings.
45:33Together with me, I'm a senior officer of the Port of Spain Division and members of the
45:38Trinidad and the River Police Service.
45:40I'm happy to report that our joint exercise was conducted in the Port of Spain Division
45:44during the course of the days, which resulted in a seizure body lightens here.
45:49I will be able to see that quantity of ammunition of various types, together with that quantity
45:55of narcotics, one poetry revolver, together with some magazines.
46:04I have in my midst a senior superintendent Tom of the Port of Spain Division, who will
46:08just say, I don't know if you would, on behalf of the exercise conducted today.
46:13All right.
46:13Good afternoon.
46:15I would just like to say that the Port of Spain City Bullies have been working with
46:19Junk Sanuri in one of the TTPs of the Port of Spain Division.
46:24We have a very successful relationship that we have been able to do a lot and achieve a lot
46:30together.
46:30And we are one in the crime-fighting initiative in trying to ensure that the Port of Spain
46:36remains the safest city in Trinidad and Trinidad and Trinidad.
46:39This was a command of the world for us to see that we have various types of ammunition
46:44here in the Poland, among PSN ammunition, and upon the jail of drugs, a little over 200,000.
46:50Yes, sir.
46:50That's right.
46:51And so we will continue to keep up the partnership in all aspects of policing to ensure that the
46:57Port of Spain Division will be safe with the capital city in the region.
47:01Absolutely fabulous work there by senior superintendent Tom and his team, quite frightening some of
47:21the kinds of ammunition that they found or recovered on the sheets.
47:25And more importantly, if people don't know what lidocaine is, it's a drug that tends to
47:30numb when you use it, right?
47:33And a number of people would use it for different reasons.
47:36Yeah.
47:36But it's alarming because even that speaks to, you know, people using it to harm others.
47:43Yeah.
47:43Yeah.
47:44Indeed.
47:45And it goes to show the collaboration between the city police and the TTPs.
47:49We know that historically, the city police, they were sometimes given a derogatory label
47:56and, you know, in some person's mind, they were limited to a particular type of policing
48:03alone.
48:03But they are demonstrating here now that the city police is just as robust, just as forceful,
48:09just as effective as the TTPs.
48:11And more so, when the two entities combine, you know, it's a force to be reckoned with.
48:17So, these type of operations, these type of interactions, and these type of connected
48:23exercises would be fruitful and auger well, you know, for future prospects.
48:33Yeah.
48:34Again, really good work there by the police.
48:37And we're going to take a short break.
48:39And we'll be back after this.
48:40Stay with us.
48:40Yeah.
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52:08It is an open area, and it's an area that is able to facilitate a large amount of persons.
52:14So having said that, the expectation is that the participation is going to be great,
52:19and we are going to be extremely pleased if the participation is great
52:24because we really want to change the labeling attached to that large tree community.
52:29It is a community that we have experienced some challenges with over the past couple months
52:34and ideas of the past couple years,
52:36and we are seeing some inroads.
52:38We are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel,
52:41and it was only possible based on the type of interaction and collaboration
52:45that we have been getting from the members of the community.
52:47As you mentioned, that community has been traumatized over the last couple of years,
52:53several shootings in the area, some unfortunate homicides,
52:58some children suffering at the hands of gun violence
53:01that really took a toll on that community
53:04and the persons that live in that area.
53:07And, of course, it impacts not just that community,
53:11but the Arema District and, by extension, Trinidad and Tobago.
53:15When we talk about children, gun violence,
53:18it really hits home for everybody with children,
53:22with parents, who have children, a lot of parents,
53:24across Trinidad and Tobago when that sad event occurred more than a year ago.
53:30Several children dying in the hands of armed assailants.
53:35Yeah, yeah.
53:36And any society, Mark, you know, that ideas say that exists on the planet today
53:43is very, very mindful of their children.
53:48And children are sacred, and they are deemed innocent.
53:51So when someone invades that type of innocence
53:56and can watch a child, an innocent child, and murder them,
54:01you know, it's something that would really hit persons and hit persons in a way
54:05and have them ask the question,
54:07what are we really dealing with?
54:09Yes, indeed.
54:11All right.
54:12Yes, Pipette, I want to thank you so much,
54:14and I hope that everybody goes down to the La Retreat
54:17on Saturday between 9 and 6 p.m., I believe.
54:21Yes.
54:22I think once they have the Bungst Castle, I'm going to be there.
54:25All right.
54:26Remember, we run tonight at 11.30.
54:30No repeat tomorrow.
54:32Actually, we do have a repeat, my producer said,
54:34tomorrow at 11 o'clock.
54:36I wish you all a very safe and long weekend.
54:41Happy Indian Arrival Day.
54:43The TV6 News is up next.
54:44Stay with us, and we'll see you on Monday.
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