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02:32Welcome to Beyond the Tape.
02:46I'm your host,
02:47Mark Basant.
02:48Welcome to our viewers across Trinidad and Tobago.
02:51Of course,
02:51our international viewers,
02:53as well as our brothers and sisters in the Isle of Grinera.
02:57Yes,
02:57one more day,
02:58and it's the long weekend,
03:00at least for most of you,
03:01but not for police officers and the media,
03:04of course.
03:05We have to continue working to bring you those stories.
03:08The police have to continue working to protect you,
03:10as well as other law enforcement agencies.
03:13Of course,
03:14today is World Day Against Trafficking in Persons,
03:19and, you know,
03:20today with me,
03:21who's obviously going to talk a little bit more about this,
03:24is Acting Sergeant Zaheer Ali at Tignat Law,
03:28with the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
03:31Welcome again,
03:32sir.
03:32Thank you very much,
03:33Mark.
03:34It's indeed a pleasure and honor to be here.
03:35You know,
03:35I heard that you stressed,
03:37while others may have the opportunity to,
03:39you know,
03:39rest and reflect,
03:42the TTPS and members of the media,
03:43unfortunately,
03:44you know,
03:44have to be diligent to uphold the democracy and,
03:47you know,
03:47protect and serve the people of Trinidad and Tobago,
03:49but good evening to you,
03:52good evening to Jackie and other family members,
03:53and be on the tape,
03:55my law enforcement colleagues,
03:56and most importantly,
03:58the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago.
03:59And, you know,
03:59Mark,
04:00I,
04:00not frequent do I make reference to,
04:03you know,
04:03persons who may be viewing,
04:05but I know you do it on our behalf,
04:07persons who are out of the jurisdiction,
04:09looking on or looking at us,
04:11you know,
04:12through other medium.
04:14Good evening to you,
04:15and,
04:16you know,
04:16I'm always happy,
04:18and look forward to your engagement.
04:20So,
04:21Mark,
04:21let's see how I can assist you this afternoon.
04:22I know you have mentioned the topic of,
04:24or I should say,
04:25the International Day,
04:27or the National Observance of Trafficking in Persons,
04:29which,
04:30from an international context,
04:32I've described it,
04:33or have indicated that it is organized crime.
04:36Yes,
04:36it is.
04:36And, you know,
04:36that's a very strong statement,
04:38you know,
04:38trafficking in persons.
04:39And when we speak about organized crime,
04:42you know,
04:42you're speaking about not only organized crime,
04:45you know,
04:46from a national context,
04:47but you're looking at organized crime,
04:49and also transnational crime,
04:52where you are seeing persons who may be brought from different jurisdiction,
04:55or in our case,
04:55sent out of the jurisdiction,
04:57to another jurisdiction,
04:59in order to be exploited.
05:00And, you know,
05:01I want to join the international community,
05:04Mark,
05:04by observing this particular crime,
05:08or I should say,
05:08this organized crime,
05:10because this goes straight,
05:11or smug into the heart of the dignity of the human being.
05:14That exploitation,
05:15Mark,
05:15takes many forms.
05:17You know,
05:18in Trinidad and Tobago,
05:19you know,
05:19that's a barrier of discussion.
05:20We may have grown accustomed to sexual exploitation.
05:24Yes.
05:24You know,
05:25which is,
05:25you know,
05:26because,
05:27you know,
05:27possibly because of our proximity,
05:30you know,
05:30to the South American continent,
05:32you know,
05:32looking at these situations that's happening in the South American continent.
05:36But,
05:36you know,
05:37my call this afternoon,
05:38in the observance of international,
05:39observance of trafficking in persons,
05:42you know,
05:43I want to make a strong call to the respective ministry,
05:47the Ministry of Homeland Security,
05:48and other stakeholders,
05:50the counter-trafficking unit,
05:51and even other ministries,
05:52that have the responsibility to look at,
05:55or the state's response to trafficking in persons,
05:58to really examine the areas of exploitation.
06:02I think that if we look carefully,
06:03the time may have come to expand those areas of exploitation.
06:07So,
06:08as I said before,
06:09we may be looking at it from a sexual context,
06:12but deeply embedded,
06:13you may be seeing a lot of labor exploitation.
06:16And the most important,
06:17you know,
06:17in the time that we live in,
06:19we're in a state of emergency,
06:20we have heard about criminal gangs.
06:22I want to direct this country,
06:24direct this nation,
06:25and the decision maker,
06:26respectfully,
06:27to look at exploitation,
06:29where persons are using persons,
06:30to move illegal items,
06:32within the border,
06:34or,
06:34you know,
06:35out of Trinidad and Tobago,
06:36or vice versa,
06:37within Trinidad and Tobago.
06:38I think,
06:38it is extremely important.
06:40So,
06:40you know,
06:40it's my simple way of recognizing the day,
06:42and to comment,
06:43comment,
06:44sorry,
06:44the state's effort,
06:45or the state's response.
06:47Thus far,
06:47we are not here too,
06:49for my last check.
06:50Yes,
06:50the last check from the U.S.
06:52Yes.
06:53Embassy.
06:55And I know that,
06:56I think over the last 24 hours,
06:57or 48 hours,
06:59referencing this human trafficking,
07:01Yes.
07:02problem,
07:03they did talk about,
07:04recently,
07:05a police officer,
07:06a former police officer,
07:07being sentenced to 16 years,
07:09Yes.
07:10for human trafficking,
07:12dating back from a case,
07:14a couple of years ago.
07:15Yes.
07:15So it also sends a message,
07:17to those in the law enforcement,
07:19who have been part and parcel,
07:20of facilitating,
07:22these traffickers,
07:24Yes.
07:24and these gangs,
07:25that you're not exempt,
07:27from being caught,
07:28and charged,
07:29and facing the music.
07:30Well,
07:30I'm happy that you took me there,
07:31Mark.
07:32And just to reflect on,
07:34you know,
07:34two previous reports,
07:37it was clearly,
07:38expressed in those reports,
07:41about the alleged,
07:43complicit involvement,
07:45of public officials,
07:47or law enforcement officials,
07:48that the case may be.
07:49So to see the response,
07:50from Trinidad and Tobago,
07:51in this case,
07:53a law enforcement officer,
07:55being arrested,
07:56and charged,
07:57prosecuted,
07:57and most importantly,
07:58convicted,
07:59by the High Court,
08:00of Trinidad and Tobago.
08:01Again,
08:02it is refreshing,
08:03and it's shown,
08:04that the rule of law,
08:05is alive,
08:06and you know,
08:07the state's response,
08:08to dealing with,
08:09human trafficking.
08:11Where I'd like to take it,
08:12Mark,
08:13is in addition to the conviction,
08:14and you spoke about,
08:15I think 14 or 15 odd years.
08:16Yes.
08:17I think that,
08:18what we should be looking at,
08:19if we really want to really,
08:20again,
08:21look at making a dent,
08:22we need to review,
08:23the Trafficking in Persons Act,
08:24in my respect for view,
08:25and if we,
08:26and this is another call,
08:27I want to make,
08:28in terms of,
08:28looking at the act,
08:30to see whether in fact,
08:31the penalties,
08:32associated with this,
08:33heinous crime,
08:33really matches,
08:35the degree of,
08:37of impact,
08:38on a human being,
08:39and I'll go as far,
08:40to say,
08:41even while law enforcement,
08:42officers are concerned,
08:43it should not have been,
08:44attracting,
08:45for example,
08:46a similar penalty,
08:47to average citizen,
08:49because law enforcement,
08:50have taken an oath,
08:51to protect and serve,
08:52and uphold the rule of law,
08:52so,
08:53you know,
08:54I'll probably leave it there,
08:55for this afternoon,
08:56but just to summarize,
08:57a review of the Trafficking in Persons Act,
08:59stiffer penalties,
09:00for law enforcement officials,
09:02and the forms of exploitation,
09:05and you know,
09:05I will respectfully,
09:06ask the stakeholders,
09:08to direct their efforts,
09:09beyond the sexual exploitation,
09:11because there's,
09:11in my respect for view,
09:13based on intelligence,
09:14there may be a lot of areas,
09:15that labor exploitation,
09:17is taking place,
09:18and I know the Ministry of Labor,
09:19are very much aware,
09:21and I think that we need,
09:22to look into that area,
09:23but again,
09:24the dignity of the human being,
09:25I've spoken about,
09:25on this particular program,
09:27on numerous occasions,
09:28but from a trafficking,
09:29in persons,
09:30the dignity of the human being,
09:31Mark,
09:31is very sacred,
09:34and we must always be,
09:35taking steps,
09:37to protect that dignity,
09:38of the human being.
09:38Yeah,
09:39and I have to agree with you there,
09:40because you know,
09:41when law enforcement,
09:42does something like this,
09:44they should really,
09:45face a stiffer penalty,
09:47Yes,
09:47most certainly.
09:47or jail time.
09:48Most certainly.
09:49Because it's important,
09:50you know what is right,
09:52and you continue to break the law,
09:54knowing that,
09:55you have already,
09:56you know,
09:57sworn an oath,
09:58to protect people,
09:59Yes.
10:00and you're doing the opposite of that.
10:01Yes,
10:02I mean,
10:03you know,
10:03if we continue this discussion,
10:05on why we should be,
10:06looking at stiffer penalties,
10:09for law enforcement,
10:10I'm sure we'll be able,
10:10to write a bookmark,
10:11between you and I,
10:12and as I said before,
10:13apart from,
10:14you know,
10:14being an oath officer,
10:15you have a duty,
10:16and responsibility,
10:17to protect and serve with pride,
10:19and if the,
10:20vulnerable groups,
10:21in Trinidad and Tobago,
10:22whether it be a visitor,
10:23whether it be an illegal immigrant,
10:25whether it be a local,
10:26if they do not find,
10:28safety,
10:29with all law enforcement officials,
10:30where else,
10:31would they find safety?
10:32So,
10:32I think it's important,
10:33for us to look at that,
10:34and you know,
10:34I say in the Trafficking in Persons Act,
10:36they did in fact,
10:38went into the direction,
10:39of where persons may be,
10:40in the realm of law enforcement,
10:42but you know,
10:43I still think that,
10:44you know,
10:44that act,
10:45if I recall,
10:46it was assented to in 2011,
10:48and it was operationalized,
10:49in 2013,
10:50so if you look at 2013,
10:52to 2025,
10:53you see it as over 10 years,
10:55so I think that,
10:55legislation is over 10 years,
10:57and looking at the present status quo,
10:59where the international community,
11:01saying hey,
11:02us member states,
11:03we need to look at this issue,
11:04of trafficking in persons,
11:05I think that,
11:06legislatively,
11:07it's also important,
11:08to look to see,
11:08whether in fact,
11:09the legislation,
11:10is in line,
11:13with the international objectives,
11:15and from a national context.
11:17Yes,
11:17as you know,
11:17because you know,
11:18the world is watching,
11:19and of course,
11:20the determinants,
11:21and how we deal,
11:22with this problem,
11:23it gets us,
11:25into a higher tier,
11:26rather than a lower tier.
11:28And most certainly Mark,
11:29and if you know,
11:30and when you speak about it here,
11:31if you look at the consequential impact,
11:34if we are going down to a tier two,
11:37even going to a tier three,
11:38a lot of people may not know,
11:40the financial support,
11:41for Trinidad and Tobago,
11:42can now come into question.
11:44So this is not just about,
11:45a situation where you are looking,
11:47to evaluate,
11:48or the Trinidad and Tobago's response,
11:50to human trafficking.
11:50The consequential impact,
11:52for every single citizen,
11:54is one,
11:56that can't go down,
11:57a negative direction,
11:59if we are not careful,
12:00how we are dealing with these issues.
12:01Because,
12:01the perspective to this,
12:03is that the international community,
12:04must not be looking and saying,
12:05okay,
12:06human beings have been exploited,
12:08in Trinidad and Tobago.
12:09We cannot have that headline.
12:11We cannot afford,
12:12to have that headline.
12:13What we should be seeing,
12:14is that,
12:14the traffickers,
12:15must be warned,
12:18to do not even think,
12:20about exploiting,
12:22or even recruiting,
12:23or even harboring,
12:24transporting,
12:25any person,
12:27in Trinidad and Tobago,
12:28whether within Trinidad and Tobago,
12:29whether coming in,
12:30or leaving Trinidad and Tobago,
12:32that must be a no-no,
12:33for the traffickers.
12:33And that's the position,
12:35in layman's term,
12:36that we want to be in,
12:37so that we are,
12:38stamping all the trafficking,
12:39in persons.
12:39And Mark,
12:40lastly,
12:41you know,
12:41while the trafficking,
12:42in persons act,
12:42may have been grounded,
12:43in terms of,
12:44looking at women and children,
12:46as a vulnerable group.
12:47You know,
12:48there are also,
12:50the male elements.
12:52And that's why,
12:53short while I go,
12:54I went to the issue of,
12:55persons,
12:56and I want to repeat this.
12:57So if the decision makers,
12:58are listening,
12:59respectfully.
13:01Persons who are using persons,
13:02to move illegal items,
13:04within Trinidad and Tobago,
13:07or out of Trinidad and Tobago,
13:08into Trinidad and Tobago,
13:09as the case may be.
13:11And,
13:11illegal items like what,
13:12Mark?
13:13We're speaking about firearms,
13:14we're speaking about explosives,
13:15we're speaking about dangerous drugs,
13:17is an area that we need to look,
13:19and we need to go to,
13:20because,
13:21as I said before,
13:21do not only look at it,
13:22from a sexual exploitation context.
13:24We have grown,
13:25to know that,
13:26okay,
13:26you hear that,
13:27okay,
13:27an operation was conducted,
13:29at a bar.
13:29Yeah.
13:30You know,
13:3015 odd females were rescued from the bar.
13:32When you interview them,
13:33they give statements,
13:34as to they're being exploited,
13:36sexually at that particular bar.
13:37But,
13:38I think that we need to go,
13:39a step further,
13:40if we really want to deal,
13:41with this monster,
13:42of human trafficking,
13:43in Trinidad and Tobago.
13:43And hence why,
13:44you know,
13:44I just want to point,
13:45the law enforcement agencies,
13:46the stakeholders,
13:47to look beyond,
13:48sexual exploitation,
13:50explore labor exploitation,
13:51look at the movement,
13:52of illegal items,
13:54look at the legislation,
13:55with reference,
13:55whether the penalty matches,
13:56what we are currently facing.
13:58And,
13:59you know,
13:59we should never rule out,
14:01mark the financial aspect,
14:02as well.
14:02Because,
14:03if you look at,
14:04human trafficking,
14:05in a circle,
14:06you realize that,
14:06we have the blue collar element,
14:08where the actual exploitation,
14:09which is a criminal offense.
14:10But,
14:10the benefit from that crime,
14:12is generated,
14:13either in companies,
14:14in purchasing vehicles,
14:16and other,
14:17financial gain.
14:19So,
14:19the financial investigative branch,
14:22the financial investigative unit,
14:23should also be,
14:25excited as well,
14:27to be able to really explore,
14:28and deal with human trafficking,
14:29in a way that it should be dealt with.
14:30And,
14:31under the app as well,
14:32it gives that power,
14:33to probe in those areas as well.
14:34But,
14:35thank you very much for,
14:36for bringing it to life,
14:37this afternoon,
14:37Mark.
14:37Now,
14:38Sidney,
14:38you will have to write a book.
14:40I know you spent about,
14:4110 minutes on that.
14:42Yes.
14:42But,
14:43it's very important,
14:43that people are aware,
14:45and they are conscious,
14:46of the information out there.
14:48Yes.
14:48How to assist.
14:49There's even an app,
14:50I understand,
14:51that you can download,
14:52on your phone.
14:53And,
14:53it's an international app.
14:55A couple brought it out,
14:56some time ago,
14:56when you download that app,
14:59you can take a photo,
15:00of somebody,
15:01and report it,
15:02anywhere in the world,
15:03and they can match it,
15:04with a database,
15:05and so on,
15:05to see if that person,
15:06is it missing,
15:07in a particular country.
15:08That's how,
15:08the technology is now.
15:10Mark,
15:10may you just say,
15:11one thing as well.
15:11You know,
15:12sometime ago,
15:12you and I,
15:12would have discussed,
15:13the sex offender,
15:16the public sex offender,
15:17Yes.
15:17database,
15:18or slash registry.
15:19And you know,
15:19the trafficking in persons,
15:20offense,
15:21is an offense,
15:22that is covered,
15:23in putting persons,
15:24who are convicted,
15:25on that particular website,
15:27for members of the public,
15:28to know,
15:28for example,
15:29if you have to employ someone,
15:30if someone is in your community,
15:32look at trafficking in persons,
15:34and trafficking in persons,
15:35from a sexual context,
15:37you know,
15:37that is also covered.
15:38So,
15:38you've seen,
15:39you've seen,
15:41the law,
15:43moving in,
15:43to try and protect,
15:45the law abiding citizen,
15:46from the hands,
15:47of those traffickers.
15:47So again,
15:49I think that was important,
15:50to highlight that,
15:51in terms of how it is,
15:51consequential,
15:53with other legislation,
15:54and other avenues,
15:55to be able to protect,
15:56the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago.
15:58Yes.
15:58All right.
15:58Thanks a lot for that,
15:59Sergeant Ali.
16:00And of course,
16:01you know,
16:01the police have been working,
16:03over time,
16:04since the state of emergency,
16:06recently,
16:07according to a report,
16:09they would have,
16:10in terms of,
16:11ramping up their efforts,
16:12last need of motor vehicles,
16:14multiple arrests,
16:16in the Southern Division,
16:17two men were recently charged,
16:18with receiving a stolen vehicle,
16:20following a detailed investigation,
16:21into the theft,
16:22of a white Nissan Tida,
16:23valued at $77,000,
16:25at Cypress Region Union Hall,
16:28and then,
16:28later on,
16:29investigators are also,
16:30checking it,
16:30as second vehicle theft,
16:31in the same area,
16:33involving a Hyundai,
16:34H100 panel van,
16:36valued at $113,000,
16:38so those,
16:40those are being looked at,
16:41and then a third incident,
16:43in the Northern Division,
16:44on the 29th of July,
16:46where they intercepted,
16:47a Toyota Corolla,
16:49along the terminal,
16:50Salpara Road,
16:52where they found,
16:53a fraudulent license plate,
16:54linked to a different vehicle,
16:55a silver Toyota,
16:56field of wagon,
16:57also reported,
16:58reported stolen,
16:59in the Komoto area,
17:00and added to that,
17:02of course,
17:03the police had a major bust,
17:05in car theft operations,
17:06one man was held,
17:08at a true strategic,
17:10intelligence gathering,
17:12believed to be,
17:13a main player,
17:14behind a recent,
17:15Sage and Motor vehicle,
17:16thefts,
17:16plaguing Central,
17:17and Northeastern Trinidad,
17:20at least five vehicles,
17:22apparently,
17:23multiple reports,
17:24of stolen vehicles,
17:25and through surveillance,
17:27they interviewed,
17:2830 year old,
17:28Alan Balkisun,
17:29a.k.a. Lal,
17:30of William Zill and Malik,
17:32arrested,
17:33subsequently appeared,
17:34before a court,
17:36charged with,
17:3613 counts of last name,
17:38motor vehicle,
17:39allegedly committed,
17:39between the 2nd,
17:40and 20th of July,
17:422025,
17:43he was denied bail,
17:45and remanded in custody,
17:46and of course,
17:47the matter was,
17:47returned to October,
17:4829th of this year.
17:50Well Mark,
17:51I want to immediately,
17:52salute my brothers,
17:54and perhaps my sisters,
17:56and the children,
17:57around to make a police service,
17:58with special reference,
17:59to the Northeastern Division,
18:00and the Central Division,
18:01that reference,
18:02to that last media release,
18:03that you read,
18:04and you know,
18:05why we spoke about,
18:06trafficking in persons,
18:07is an organized crime,
18:09this particular,
18:10offense that you have identified,
18:11the last name,
18:12motor vehicle,
18:12notwithstanding that one person,
18:13has been charged thus far,
18:15that in itself,
18:16is a clear indication as well,
18:18of organized crime,
18:19because for,
18:20you know,
18:20just to put it into,
18:22the minds,
18:23and of the members,
18:24of the public,
18:26the last name,
18:26motor vehicle,
18:27and we have heard about this many times,
18:29there are many different reasons,
18:30why persons will steal the vehicle,
18:32so this is not a situation,
18:33where one is stealing a vehicle,
18:34just to have,
18:35an enjoyment of a vehicle,
18:36this is,
18:37and the media release,
18:39and even the newspaper,
18:40would have indicated that,
18:42in some instances,
18:43the parts,
18:45because if you look at,
18:45the type of vehicles,
18:46that have been targeted,
18:47persons are busy looking,
18:48for parts of those vehicles,
18:49so that you find,
18:50that you create a market,
18:51a black market that is,
18:52so the persons are stealing vehicles,
18:54in order to,
18:55to distribute parts,
18:57secondly,
18:58with the level of criminal activity,
19:00you see that vehicles are involving,
19:01drive-by shootings,
19:03gang rivalry,
19:04you see that vehicles are using,
19:05the movement of dangerous drugs,
19:07and firearms,
19:08so,
19:08there's a lot of,
19:09there are a lot of areas,
19:12when we're speaking about,
19:12larceny motor vehicles,
19:13that vehicles can be,
19:15stolen,
19:16on many different purposes,
19:18so,
19:18you just want to give members,
19:19of the public,
19:19that this is another,
19:20organized syndicate,
19:21that we are speaking about,
19:22and even from a financial contact,
19:24as well,
19:24because when you are,
19:25engaging in,
19:26nasty motor vehicle,
19:27you are looking to,
19:28engage in transaction,
19:30so that there's a,
19:31a financial gain,
19:32that is associated with it,
19:33so you are receiving,
19:34you are money laundering,
19:36if persons know,
19:36that vehicles are stolen,
19:38and engaging in transaction,
19:39with the vehicle,
19:40so again,
19:40a very significant area,
19:42and I'm asking members,
19:42of the public,
19:43to be very vigilant,
19:44in terms of how you,
19:46are moving around,
19:47and the places,
19:48that you are seeking,
19:49your vehicle,
19:49please heed,
19:50all the notices,
19:51from the,
19:52Trinidad and Tobago,
19:52police service,
19:53in reference,
19:53area that may be vulnerable,
19:55area that you need,
19:56to be very careful,
19:57and to the law enforcement,
19:58agencies again,
20:00you know,
20:00let us commute a bill,
20:01on the great work,
20:01that we are seeing,
20:02unfolding.
20:03Yes indeed,
20:04all right,
20:05let's take a quick look,
20:05it's day 13,
20:06of the state of emergency,
20:08the figures,
20:09and number,
20:11of operations,
20:12970,
20:13target priority offenders,
20:14442,
20:15services conducted,
20:166,330,
20:18traffic operations,
20:20552,
20:22total persons arrested,
20:23418,
20:24traffic offenses detected,
20:273,148,
20:29firearms recovered thus far,
20:3121 pistols,
20:3210 revolvers,
20:336 shotguns,
20:343 rifles,
20:36and 2 air rifles,
20:38ammunition recovered,
20:39310 rungs of 9 mm,
20:4241 rungs of 12 gauge,
20:4316 rungs of 0.38 to 132 rungs of 5.56,
20:4929 rungs of 0.38,
20:5126 rungs of 0.40,
20:537 rungs of 0.357,
20:56and 17 rungs of 0.45.
20:59Meanwhile,
21:00dangerous drugs seized to date,
21:0266,669.64 grams of marijuana,
21:09and 171.91 grams of cocaine.
21:12So, again,
21:15excellent work on part of the law enforcement agencies,
21:18Mark,
21:18and, you know,
21:19that's the statistics that we have just seen there will not only be attributable to the TTPS,
21:24but law enforcement across the board.
21:26But, you know,
21:27there's two simple things I'd like to say there in terms of the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago.
21:30This is also your statistics.
21:33This is your information that has been actioned or operationalized that result,
21:38or resulted, sorry,
21:39in the fine that we have seen in terms of the ammunition and the related matters.
21:44So, you know,
21:44I want to commend you and ask you all to continue,
21:46you know,
21:46to bring forward that information and intelligence.
21:48And,
21:49Mark,
21:50like the previous SOE,
21:51I guess I will have to probably have some discussions with the executive to see whether,
21:54in fact,
21:54we can add a column so that you have these statistics in terms of how many persons are actually charged
21:59under the emergency powers regulations 2025 because there are specific offenses under that regulation as well.
22:05So,
22:06perhaps on the other occasion,
22:08you know,
22:08we could probably have another column.
22:09So,
22:09we have an indication,
22:10not only the fines of firearms,
22:12ammunition,
22:13operation,
22:14but how many persons specifically were charged under the emergency regulation because I know that was a major talking point.
22:19Yeah.
22:20post the last state of emergency.
22:22All right,
22:23let's take a quick look now at our headlines.
22:50So those are some of the headlines over the last 24 hours.
23:12We're going to take a short break.
23:13And when we get back,
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25:53Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
25:54I'm your host, Mark Bussan,
25:55joined today by your 10-year-old
25:56from the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service,
25:59Sergeant Ali.
26:00And we were talking about,
26:04I know that you would have read
26:06about the unfortunate accident
26:08of the young lady
26:09who died the night before
26:12near the bridge here
26:14in the D.B. area,
26:16in the South Oropitch River.
26:17Her car going into the bridge
26:19seems here captured
26:21by the hunter, search, and rescue team.
26:23But I think photographer
26:25for the express,
26:26Dexter Phillip,
26:27went back to that bridge.
26:29Yes, this is the bridge here.
26:31It's a very narrow bridge,
26:32I might add,
26:33Sergeant Ali,
26:34and you would see on your right there
26:36the cones
26:36where the car would have
26:38actually gone through.
26:40And I know the area well.
26:41The bridge is not fixed, obviously.
26:43It looks very makeshift,
26:45if you ask me.
26:46And, you know,
26:47it's clear that
26:48a lot more needs to be done
26:51in the quickest possible time
26:54to prevent an occurrence
26:55of that disaster.
26:57You know, Mark,
26:58I want to be reasonable
26:59in my response,
27:00but first let me express
27:01condolences to the family
27:02of this individual.
27:04I know it would not be
27:06an easy time for the family
27:08and my condolences to you.
27:09And I hope that the
27:10citizens of Trinidad
27:11are going to offer
27:12in whatever way they could
27:13condolences to this individual.
27:15and, you know,
27:16other persons who may have
27:17lost their life, you know,
27:18while being on the roadway.
27:20But, you know,
27:21you've made mention of something
27:22in reference to the infrastructure.
27:24And, you know,
27:25if I should, you know,
27:26just make a kind suggestion
27:27that, you know,
27:28the best response
27:29that we could give
27:30to the deceased
27:31is to have an immediate review
27:33from the Ministry of Works,
27:36you know,
27:36the Engineering Department,
27:39you know,
27:39to look at all the various
27:41roadways and, you know,
27:44bridges across Trinidad
27:45and Tobago
27:46to, you know,
27:46to ensure that they are
27:48proper, fit and proper,
27:50you know,
27:50to accommodate, you know,
27:52motorists and, you know,
27:53other related matters.
27:54And, you know,
27:55I also want to indicate
27:56that when you look
27:57at the bridge mark,
27:57even for the motorists,
27:59I do not know
27:59the circumstances
28:00in relation to the death
28:01of the individual.
28:02But, you know,
28:03sometimes I've seen
28:03that a narrow pathway,
28:05you know,
28:06persons are trying
28:06to force their way through.
28:08And, you know,
28:09sometimes you can end up
28:10in difficulty.
28:10So, you know,
28:11to the motorists
28:11in Trinidad and Tobago,
28:12you know,
28:13can you be diligent
28:14and, you know,
28:14we learn in our regulations,
28:15Ma, I don't know
28:16if you recall,
28:17that when we have,
28:18like, road traffic signs,
28:20we need to take heed
28:21of these signs
28:21in terms of when we are
28:22approaching,
28:23for example,
28:23a bridge.
28:24Yeah.
28:24You know,
28:24so, you know,
28:26unfortunate situation,
28:27but, you know,
28:27I condolences to the family
28:29and I ask the citizenry
28:30to be responsible
28:31when they're on the road
28:32of Trinidad and Tobago.
28:33Yes, correct.
28:35All right.
28:35I know you recall
28:37that there was a body
28:38found a couple months ago
28:40in the Prince's Tongue area,
28:43a burnt body.
28:45Police officers
28:46were on the scene.
28:47It was on June 3rd.
28:49And apparently,
28:50of course,
28:51they had to do
28:53proper DNA testing
28:55to ascertain
28:56whether or not,
28:57as the mother suspected,
28:59if it was the body
29:01of Jeremy David.
29:02So, in fact,
29:04we understand
29:05that the DNA
29:06has come back
29:07and has confirmed
29:08that it is,
29:10in fact,
29:10the remains
29:10of Mr. David
29:11that was found.
29:13This is Jeremy David
29:15here,
29:16unfortunately,
29:17passing.
29:19Well, again,
29:19condolences
29:20to the family,
29:20Mark.
29:21Mark,
29:21this is your
29:22crime scene management,
29:23crime scene investigations.
29:25Very, very critical
29:26and you just highlighted
29:28the importance
29:28of ensuring
29:30that we protect
29:30that crime scene
29:31in order,
29:31and in this case,
29:32to be able to,
29:33you know,
29:34achieve a match.
29:35Yeah.
29:35And it's so important
29:36and, you know,
29:37I want Trinidad and Tobago,
29:38we are in a situation
29:39where we may be
29:40coming across,
29:40you know,
29:42crime scenes
29:42in different contexts,
29:43whether it be
29:44a homicide,
29:45whether it be
29:46a simpliciter,
29:48fireman ammunition,
29:49you know,
29:49on the roadway
29:51or in a house,
29:52you know,
29:52whatever it may be.
29:53You know,
29:53I want us to respect
29:54the crime scene
29:55and respect
29:56the crime scene officers.
29:57If we are interested
29:58in the proper
29:59administration of justice
30:00and if we are interested
30:01in securing convictions,
30:03let us respect
30:04and do not tamper
30:05with crime scenes.
30:06The police have a lot
30:07of interests
30:08in crime scenes
30:09and, you know,
30:09let us respect
30:10the crime scene.
30:11Now, most of the times
30:11you see in foreign countries,
30:13you know,
30:14where we may want
30:14to cordon off a little area,
30:16for example,
30:16if something happens here,
30:17you know,
30:18you may see that,
30:18okay,
30:18this particular room
30:19is cordoned off,
30:20but in other countries,
30:21you are seeing that
30:22the area of focus
30:24is very wide
30:25and far
30:25because, you know,
30:27it's on the philosophy
30:28that, for example,
30:29offenses against the person,
30:30persons who are coming
30:31to a crime scene
30:32obviously have to leave.
30:34Yeah.
30:34So, they can normally
30:34create a pathway.
30:36So, it's important
30:36for us to respect
30:37crime scene
30:38if we want convictions
30:40and we want to ensure
30:41that it's a proper
30:42administration of justice.
30:42So, I'm happy
30:43that you raised that
30:44with reference to the,
30:46in this case,
30:47the DNA that you required
30:48from that particular body
30:49to be able to make that match.
30:52All right.
30:53All right.
30:53I think we have a call
30:54on the line.
30:55Caller, good evening.
30:56Quickly.
30:57Good evening.
30:57Good evening, Mr. Bassant.
30:59Good afternoon,
31:00Sergeant Raleigh.
31:01Good evening to you, sir.
31:03Two issues
31:04I want to quickly talk about
31:06and it has to do
31:07with the CTPS
31:09and two officers.
31:11One was basically charged
31:14and the other one
31:15was dismissed.
31:16The one I'm talking about
31:18was one of the senior officers
31:19in Stort
31:20and it was citing
31:21what he had said
31:23with respect to the gathering
31:24of the evidence
31:25and he referred to the PSB
31:28and he, to me,
31:30it's like manufacturing evidence
31:33going to the prison
31:34and what he said,
31:35that officer who laid the charges
31:37has since been
31:39promoted.
31:40The other issue
31:41is that the policemen
31:43who have gotten
31:4416 years
31:45for trafficking,
31:48I want to know
31:49how the CTPS
31:50basically
31:51handled that
31:53with respect
31:54from the date of the charge
31:55of the safety
31:56to the sentences.
31:59That's about
31:5913 years.
32:01Is taxpayers
32:02money being spent
32:04during that 13 years
32:06thing
32:07because
32:07we're very, very
32:09under pressure
32:11for resources
32:12and if we are
32:14basically
32:15allowing that
32:16to happen,
32:17that is where
32:17the CTPS
32:18has to find
32:19a protocol
32:20to deal with
32:22things quickly
32:23and likewise
32:24have to
32:24not only
32:26clean outside,
32:27have to clean
32:28internally
32:28the CTPS
32:29to get rid
32:30of rogue officers.
32:32I'm going to have
32:32a nice season.
32:34All right,
32:34caller,
32:34thanks for your
32:35contribution
32:35and we're going to
32:36respond after this
32:37break and take
32:37more of your calls.
32:38Stay with us.
32:39Good day,
32:40Tren and Tobago.
32:41And I'm here to
32:42invite you all
32:43to come on down
32:44to Queen's Park,
32:45Savannah on
32:46Saturday,
32:47August the 9th.
32:48Mark that day,
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35:55Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
36:08I'm your host,
36:08Mark Besson,
36:09joined today by
36:10Acting Sergeant
36:10Zakir Ali,
36:12a tenet law
36:12with the Trinidad
36:13and Tobago
36:14Police Service.
36:15I know this is one
36:16of your favorite segments
36:17like the rest of the guests.
36:19Voice of the people
36:20in San Juan.
36:21Let's go.
36:21Oh, my apologies.
36:24I think we have a call
36:25to respond to
36:25from the last...
36:26Yeah, thank you very much, Mark.
36:27Apologies.
36:28Yes, go ahead.
36:29Kola, thank you very much
36:30for your submissions.
36:31Two very strong
36:32and powerful submissions.
36:33And, you know,
36:34simply put,
36:35there's a word that he used,
36:36Mark,
36:36with reference
36:37to one of the submissions
36:37in terms of when
36:38persons are charged,
36:39in this case,
36:40law enforcement.
36:41Yeah.
36:41And then, you know,
36:41there's a prolonged period
36:42before the matter
36:43comes to an end.
36:44So he's asking
36:45and during that period,
36:46what happens?
36:47Is it that the person
36:48going to continue
36:48to enjoy full salary,
36:49two-thirds, half,
36:51what, you know,
36:52but he used a very important word
36:53which I want to, you know,
36:54magnify this afternoon
36:55and, you know,
36:55probably position it
36:57for consideration
36:58by the executive
36:59of the TTPS.
37:00Perhaps the need
37:00for a policy,
37:01a clear policy,
37:02and he used the word
37:03protocol governing
37:04when persons are charged,
37:06you know,
37:06what should happen.
37:07And, you know,
37:08I do not want to,
37:09you know,
37:09sit or stand here,
37:10sorry,
37:10and make a pronouncement.
37:11I think it needs
37:12to have deeper discussions,
37:13probably perhaps
37:14out of the TTPS,
37:15but a very important area
37:17that the public
37:18has spoken about,
37:18and I've heard this
37:19many times
37:19in terms of
37:20where the public
37:21believes that
37:21when persons are charged
37:22there should be
37:24a more decisive move
37:25in relation to
37:26moving these persons
37:27from the organization
37:28or in a case
37:30where they should not
37:30continue to enjoy their
37:31whether they be
37:32full or half pay.
37:33But, you know,
37:34there's also another side
37:35which is that
37:36if someone is charged,
37:37you must always remember
37:38there is a presumption
37:39of innocence
37:39until proven guilty.
37:41So, there's a lot of
37:42issues that can arise
37:44in that matter
37:45and I want to agree
37:46with you in terms of
37:47the developing
37:48of a protocol
37:48slash policy
37:49but it requires
37:50deep discussions
37:51perhaps out of the TTPS
37:53with probably other stakeholders.
37:55But again,
37:56thank you very much
37:56for your submission
37:57as always.
37:58All right,
37:58we have another call online.
37:59Caller, good evening.
38:01Good evening.
38:02Evening, officer.
38:03Evening.
38:04Mark.
38:04Good evening.
38:05That area where we know
38:07the car went down
38:08and the behavior there.
38:10Is that net a suture trace?
38:12Because I know you know
38:13where it is.
38:14Is that net a suture trace?
38:15No, that's not net a suture trace.
38:17It's a little way from
38:19but it's actually close
38:20at a, I think it's
38:22bunsey trace.
38:23Bunsey trace.
38:24It's closer to bunsey trace.
38:26I'm a South boy
38:26so I know the area.
38:28So, yeah,
38:29it's closer to bunsey trace
38:31rather than suture trace.
38:32Suture trace is more
38:35in the penal area.
38:36This is DB.
38:37Yes.
38:38Yeah, DB, yes.
38:38I realize that.
38:40It's really, really sad.
38:41You know,
38:42and you know what I was saying?
38:44Plenty people tried to help
38:45including somebody
38:46from Venezuela
38:47and I think that was
38:47really so good,
38:48so good.
38:49But that water was so muddy.
38:50They said that certain
38:51things were gone.
38:52It's really sad
38:53condolences to the family.
38:54Officer Ali,
38:56any one of your officers
38:57have passed?
38:58The reason why I'm asking
38:59that, like if I heard
39:00something about some officer,
39:02that didn't one of your officers
39:03have passed?
39:05Well, I'm not hearing you clearly
39:06if any of my officers
39:07has or have what?
39:08Has passed away,
39:09has died.
39:11Well, we know that an officer,
39:14ESP Martin,
39:15was on the show yesterday
39:16and he spoke about
39:17a female officer
39:17who passed yesterday
39:20and he just wanted to express
39:24his sympathies
39:24and condolences
39:25to that officer's family.
39:27All right.
39:28Now,
39:28this was another program
39:30that's what I was going to do.
39:31Officer Ali,
39:31one question.
39:33If you have a client
39:34in a particular area
39:35and you have to go
39:36and talk with this client
39:38and you are told
39:39that you are told
39:40that you must cover your eyes,
39:41is that unconstitutional?
39:43What will you do
39:43in a case like that?
39:45Is that unconstitutional
39:46or not?
39:47Let me just put it.
39:48Another thing is,
39:49I looked at the person
39:50who went for,
39:51the ex-cub who was jailed
39:53for 16 years
39:53and that was since April 2013
39:56and I'm glad they dealt with it
39:59and he will know
39:59how he should have behaved
40:01or whatever.
40:02All right?
40:03So,
40:04all the best
40:06to all of you
40:07and really, really sad
40:08with what happened
40:10with the only woman
40:11and condolences
40:13to whoever died.
40:15Officer Ali,
40:15be safe
40:16and be blessed.
40:18Thank you very much.
40:21Well, thank you very much,
40:21Kola.
40:22Mark, again,
40:23you know,
40:24concerned citizens,
40:26you know,
40:27expressing their interests,
40:30you know,
40:30perspectives
40:31and, you know,
40:31is always welcome.
40:33Mark, the caller,
40:34has placed me
40:34in a position,
40:35you know,
40:35to take judicial office
40:36when she asked me
40:37whether in fact
40:38having an attorney,
40:39you know,
40:40put on,
40:42you know,
40:42mask,
40:43whether in fact
40:45that's constitutional
40:46or not.
40:46So,
40:46she has placed me
40:47in a judicial context.
40:48But, you know,
40:48Kola,
40:48you know,
40:49I'm very,
40:49very,
40:50very careful
40:52in terms of,
40:52especially when
40:53matters are engaging
40:54the courts
40:55of Trinidad and Tobago.
40:56Yes,
40:56the high court
40:56have indicated
40:57that,
40:57you know,
40:58that's a reasonable
40:58position.
41:00And I do not know,
41:01you know,
41:01what will be
41:01the contemplation
41:02of the parties
41:04involved in that matter
41:04whether in fact
41:05they will be
41:05exploring further.
41:06So,
41:07unfortunately,
41:08I do not want
41:09to make a pronouncement
41:10as to whether
41:10it's constitutional
41:12or not.
41:12A high court
41:12has pronounced thus far.
41:14But what I'll say
41:15to, you know,
41:16to Trinidad and Tobago,
41:17when you have
41:18a state of emergency
41:19and it has clearly
41:23been expressed
41:25in many different contexts,
41:27there's a shift
41:28in terms of the
41:30normalcy.
41:31So,
41:32you know,
41:32this is no different
41:33in my respect for view
41:33because there are
41:34many different considerations.
41:36Those who may have
41:37gotten the opportunity
41:37to look at the proceedings
41:39or to maybe look
41:40at the newspaper,
41:41you will see
41:41different contemplations,
41:43different perspectives
41:44and most importantly
41:45there must be
41:45a proper balance
41:46that must be struck.
41:48But,
41:48again,
41:48we must recognize
41:49that we're in a state
41:50of emergency
41:50and,
41:51you know,
41:51you're going to have
41:52shift in what you
41:53or the citizen
41:54are accustomed to
41:55based on circumstances
41:57that is prevailing.
41:58But to give you
41:59a position,
41:59I do,
42:00you know,
42:00I'll have to,
42:01you know,
42:01hold a reserve position
42:03because it's still,
42:04you know,
42:04within the court's domain
42:06and I don't know
42:07wherever,
42:08or where else,
42:09sorry,
42:09it may venture.
42:10All right,
42:11so I think this time,
42:13this time,
42:14it's the category
42:15that we want to get into.
42:16Yes.
42:16Voice of the people
42:17in San Juan.
42:18Let's go.
42:19We just wanted to get an idea,
42:46what's your thoughts
42:47on school violence
42:48and bullying
42:49in the nation.
42:51Well,
42:51to me,
42:52it's more about the influence,
42:53influencing the children,
42:54we're influencing them,
42:56we're examples they have,
42:57you know,
42:58it's more than because,
42:59you know,
42:59that way they stem from,
43:01you know,
43:01what they're seeing,
43:01they're going to practice.
43:03And if they're seeing
43:03respect and order
43:04and they're sitting
43:05out with their discipline
43:05on their daily,
43:06then they're going to go
43:07practice,
43:07if you know.
43:08What do you think
43:09could be done
43:10or implemented
43:11in schools
43:11to mitigate that violence
43:13and stop it altogether?
43:14Well,
43:15to me,
43:15it already had things
43:16in place
43:16concerning disciplinary action
43:18in schools,
43:19but I think it's more
43:20about enforcing it
43:21or taking it to maybe
43:22just a higher level,
43:23but not too much
43:24to incriminate
43:26the children,
43:27but more to show them
43:27that it's serious
43:28and it could lead
43:29to a lot more,
43:30you know,
43:31accidents that happen,
43:32people could get damaged
43:33for life,
43:33mentally,
43:34physically,
43:35so it's more about,
43:35you know,
43:36showing them the extent
43:37that the,
43:38you know,
43:38how fire can go now,
43:39making them understand
43:40how dangerous it is.
43:41You know,
43:41you talk about actions
43:42and the Prime Minister
43:44had recently spoken
43:45about some students
43:46could possibly face
43:47expulsion
43:48because of their
43:49violent conduct
43:50where you had an incident
43:51where somebody
43:52almost died
43:53and was beaten.
43:54What's your thoughts
43:55about that?
43:56Well,
43:56I don't mind
43:58if you expel a child,
43:59but to expel a child,
44:00you have to say something
44:01to put them
44:01because you remember
44:02he's still a child.
44:03Exactly.
44:03If you understand,
44:04so you can just take
44:04a child out of school
44:05because they have
44:06a little violent tendency
44:07and then guess what?
44:08Leave them out
44:08in the world here now,
44:09then what?
44:10It could only get worse
44:11so to expel a child,
44:13yeah,
44:14how do you do, ma'am?
44:16Banana,
44:16seven apples.
44:19To expel a child to me,
44:21I think it should have
44:22some way to put
44:22the children
44:23after you expel them,
44:24like, you know,
44:25some kind of
44:25military academy,
44:27something where they
44:28could still understand
44:29and get learning,
44:30you know,
44:30something like that.
44:31You can't just expel a child
44:32without putting them
44:33somewhere to me.
44:34And you think
44:35your actions,
44:36your parents
44:37should be blamed
44:38in some measure
44:39of take responsibility
44:40for it?
44:42To tell you,
44:43it should,
44:44you don't know
44:44what's going on
44:45in homes,
44:45you don't know
44:46what some parents
44:46are going through,
44:47what type of home
44:48it's a single parent,
44:49you don't know
44:50if a parent's working
44:50all the time
44:51and don't even know
44:51what's already going on
44:52with the child.
44:54Yes,
44:54you can hold
44:54a parent responsible,
44:56but the real thing
44:56is going now,
44:57you have to be,
44:58it's more tight,
44:58let me just say,
44:59it's more tight,
45:00not just the parent
45:00because how often
45:03a child is around
45:03your parents
45:03when the day comes?
45:05Sometimes your parents
45:05go to work,
45:06a child go to school
45:06most hours of the day
45:07by the time you come home,
45:08maybe your parents
45:09don't even know
45:09until that later hour,
45:11the parent's tired,
45:12they even know
45:12what's really going on
45:13with you,
45:14so it's not just,
45:15it's the parenting,
45:16but it has to do
45:16with the whole society
45:17and all the adults
45:18around dealing
45:19with the child
45:19when the day comes.
45:24Voice of the people
45:25has to do with
45:26parenting and the society
45:27and the persons
45:28around them.
45:29Well, Mark, again,
45:30very refreshing interview,
45:33the questions
45:34and the response
45:36that you generated
45:37from the interview.
45:39I know this is an area
45:40in relation to
45:41where our nation's schools
45:42and in the issue
45:43of youth delinquency
45:44and school violence
45:45or acts of criminality.
45:47I know the Honorable
45:47Prime Minister
45:48and you have mentioned
45:49it in the interview,
45:50placed a lot of emphasis
45:51and a lot of focus
45:52in this area,
45:53even the Commissioner
45:53of Police as well
45:54when he was appointed.
45:57And I think that we need
45:58to continue to look
45:59at this area
45:59and generate discussions
46:00in relation to this area.
46:02You know,
46:02we are seeing right now
46:03that there are strong
46:05armed strategies
46:06in relation to crime
46:07and criminality,
46:08you know,
46:09which is healthy.
46:09But this area
46:10in relation to our nation's
46:11schools cannot be left behind.
46:13It's a very important area.
46:15As a matter of fact,
46:16if we are not careful,
46:18this is,
46:18and I've described it like this,
46:19if we are not careful,
46:20that you don't want
46:21the school system,
46:22the education system,
46:23to be a breeding ground,
46:25to be the area
46:27for recruitment
46:28for those criminal gangs.
46:29So it's important
46:30for us to look at this
46:31in a 360,
46:32look at this in a focus way.
46:34And I'm certain
46:35that the decision makers,
46:36you know,
46:37are looking at it.
46:39But, you know,
46:40it's important for us
46:41to emphasize
46:43the stakeholders
46:44are within this particular area,
46:46the students,
46:47the parents,
46:48teachers,
46:49and principal.
46:49Very, very critical group.
46:51And, you know,
46:52there's a children's act
46:53that govern this area.
46:54And, you know,
46:54I'd like to see more use of that
46:56and probably a review
46:57of that as well
46:58to see where may be
47:00some of the gaps.
47:01Because, you know,
47:02last but not least,
47:03the question that you asked
47:04and whether we should be
47:05holding parents accountable.
47:07And, you know,
47:08you want to ensure
47:08that there's strong
47:09built-in mechanisms
47:10to ensure that parents
47:11are, in fact,
47:12held accountable
47:13in cases where
47:13they are neglecting
47:15their children,
47:15they are failing
47:16to supervise their children,
47:17they are failing
47:18to exercise care.
47:19And also, equally,
47:21that there must be
47:21a mechanism
47:22in which they can
47:23get the necessary
47:24intervention
47:25from state agencies
47:26or EMENGIOS
47:27to be able to assist
47:28that particular home
47:30and those children
47:31that may be
47:31in a state of vulnerability.
47:33All right.
47:34Well said.
47:34All right.
47:35I think we're going
47:36to take a short break.
47:37And when we get back,
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50:01Welcome back to
50:18Beyond the Tape.
50:19I'm your host,
50:19Mark Bassan,
50:20joined today by
50:20Acting Sergeant Zaheer Ali,
50:22attorney at law
50:22with the Trinidad
50:23and Tobago Police Service.
50:25And I do believe
50:26you have a caller
50:26in the line of hold
50:27for you,
50:27Mr. Ali.
50:28Caller, good evening.
50:30Hi, good evening.
50:31Calling from the
50:32windy city of Guagwari.
50:35Good evening to you, sir.
50:36Good day, Guagwari.
50:37How are you, sir?
50:38Not too bad.
50:39Not too bad, gentlemen.
50:40I always believe
50:40that speak it like
50:41it just happened.
50:42So good afternoon, Sergeant.
50:44Get rid of that
50:45acting very, very soon.
50:46Hopefully, sir.
50:48Certainly.
50:48It is amazing
50:51how at times
50:53people in this country
50:54join in the chorus
50:56to support
50:57persons
50:58who are doing
50:59the wrong thing.
51:00So we have
51:01and not that
51:02persons' rights
51:03are not important
51:03but people are
51:05so concerned
51:06I wonder
51:07what should
51:08as persons
51:08to become concerned
51:09of the rights
51:10of incarcerated
51:11persons
51:11who are responsible
51:13for creating havoc
51:14in this country.
51:15What drives
51:16their interest
51:16now
51:17with respect
51:19to the rights
51:20of those persons?
51:21Secondly,
51:23is the TDPS
51:24ever concerned
51:25about the source
51:26of funds
51:26of lawyers
51:29who receive payments
51:30from the people
51:31they represent?
51:33Given that
51:33a number of persons
51:34that lawyers represent
51:35may be involved
51:37in euphoria
51:37activities,
51:39they may have
51:41no legal source
51:41of funds
51:42but they have
51:43been consistently
51:44represented
51:45by lawyers
51:46for years
51:47so is there
51:48anything
51:49on your radar
51:50that will trigger
51:51an investigation
51:52of a lawyer
51:53receiving funds
51:54or source of funds
51:55from nefarious
51:56persons
51:57who they may
51:57represent
51:58who we know
51:59are involved
51:59in illegal
51:59activity?
52:01Thirdly,
52:03is it TDPS?
52:04There's approximately
52:05300 direct vehicles
52:07in the Comoto area
52:08which will act
52:10as a good source
52:12for a vehicle
52:14recycle program
52:15and will assist
52:16the TDPS
52:17in its mobility
52:17and lastly,
52:20of course,
52:21I would have suggested
52:22yesterday
52:23or some time ago
52:24when the signal
52:24was good on my end
52:25that the fingerprint
52:29of a child
52:30be taken at birth
52:31for ease of reference
52:34when looking for
52:35specific characters
52:36later on in life
52:37maybe at that time
52:39the finger
52:39is too small
52:40so I'm suggesting
52:41today that
52:42the fingerprint
52:45be taken
52:45on entry
52:46at school
52:47I need to respond
52:51over here
52:51thank you very much
52:52Quite a mouthful
52:54there
52:54but Kuala
52:54thanks so much
52:55Sergeant Ali
52:56I think I need to
52:57echo that as well
52:58thanks very much
52:59Kuala
52:59very strong submissions
53:00and the last one
53:01with reference
53:02to the fingerprint
53:03I may want to
53:05even extend it
53:05to their DNA
53:06I think that
53:06that's a very
53:08interesting submission
53:09and I think that
53:10again
53:11we may probably
53:11have to be looking
53:12at legislative steps
53:14in order to be able
53:15to secure
53:16what you are
53:17advocating for
53:17but again
53:18I love
53:19and Mark
53:20I always tell you
53:21hence why
53:21when we talk
53:22about voice of the people
53:23and then the callers
53:25this is the involvement
53:27in terms of
53:28when we're looking
53:29at developing
53:29a democracy
53:30and I think
53:31that's an excellent
53:32position in terms
53:33of that last point
53:33with reference
53:35to the lawyers
53:35I think that's
53:36another area
53:36that needs to be
53:37explored
53:38with reference
53:39to source of funds
53:40but again
53:42in the interest of time
53:43I think that
53:44those areas
53:45I will ask the caller
53:47to continue to advocate
53:48with reference
53:49to those areas
53:49so perhaps
53:50it will generate
53:51a national discussion
53:53in terms of
53:54how we go forward
53:55and with reference
53:56to the vehicles
53:56that he spoke about
53:57in Komoto
53:57we have a public
53:59procurement act
53:59public procurement
54:00and disposal
54:01of public property
54:02and I think it's
54:03important for us
54:04if we look in that area
54:05just to remind
54:06that we are governed
54:07by laws
54:08as to how we are
54:09treating with public
54:10and the disposal
54:10of public property
54:11so once that is
54:13employed
54:14I have no doubt
54:15that the position
54:17that you have taken
54:18with reference
54:19to treating
54:19with some of those
54:20vehicles
54:20can be taken
54:22to be able to
54:22as an act
54:25of cleaning up
54:25that place
54:26in the first instance
54:26mark
54:27because sometimes
54:28those areas
54:29can cause
54:29a hazard
54:31to the persons
54:32who are living
54:32in the surrounding areas
54:33but most importantly
54:34to generate some funds
54:36if those vehicles
54:36can be turned over
54:38so excellent suggestion
54:39caller
54:40thank you very much
54:41we have another
54:42call on the line
54:42producer
54:42okay I thought
54:45we had another
54:45call on the line
54:46but you know
54:46I hope that
54:48Guaya Guayari
54:49when he cooks
54:50something good
54:51and he invites us
54:52to go all the way
54:52down there
54:53because he seems
54:54to be a very
54:55avid viewer of the show
54:56and we are hopeful
54:57that at some point
54:58when we get to
54:59Guaya Guayari
54:59maybe we might be
55:00going to do a
55:01voice of people
55:01in Mayaru
55:02we can reach out
55:03to the school
55:04and he leaves
55:04his number
55:05and he says
55:05we cook our pot
55:06well Mark
55:06you know
55:07you have been
55:07talking about
55:08this community
55:08engagement
55:09you know
55:10beyond the tape
55:11community engagement
55:12and partnership
55:12and I think
55:13that is an excellent
55:14idea
55:14and I hope
55:15it really comes
55:16to fruition
55:16maybe we can
55:17probably have
55:17the opportunity
55:17to take Jackie
55:18along with us
55:20but I think
55:21it's an excellent
55:21position
55:21and you know
55:23you know
55:24and you have
55:25spoken to that
55:25particular area
55:26of Trinidad and
55:27Tobago
55:27but you know
55:27any area
55:28that you know
55:29it is feasible
55:30I'm sure that
55:31community will
55:32you know
55:32open their arms
55:33for us Mark
55:34to be able to
55:35engage that
55:35community
55:35and probably
55:36to even
55:37link with other
55:38stakeholders
55:38who may have
55:39a similar
55:40focus with
55:41reference to
55:42engagement
55:42of the
55:42communities
55:42because
55:43I think
55:44it's important
55:44we are one
55:45body
55:46and you know
55:46I think
55:47that's maybe
55:48a very
55:48excellent
55:49initiative
55:50ever so often
55:51we always talk
55:52about that
55:52collaboration
55:53that coming
55:54together
55:55of the
55:55citizenry
55:55of the
55:56TTPS
55:56and other
55:57stakeholders
55:57because this
55:58is a show
55:59about that
55:59about getting
56:00help
56:01about getting
56:01advice
56:02about giving
56:03your own
56:03opinions
56:04or giving
56:04suggestions
56:05that can help
56:06improve the
56:07safety and
56:08security
56:08of not just
56:09yourself
56:10but other
56:11citizens across
56:12Trinidad and
56:12Tobago
56:13and by extension
56:14offering those
56:15ideas to help
56:15law enforcement
56:16operate more
56:17effectively
56:17and efficiently
56:18but most certainly
56:19and you know
56:20any avenue
56:20that you can
56:21generate those
56:22sort of
56:23discussions
56:23will always be
56:24welcome
56:24and Mark
56:24when you have
56:25beyond the tape
56:25it may be
56:26what
56:26beyond the
56:27boundaries of
56:29the TV6
56:29building
56:29of course
56:30you know
56:31so again
56:32I am excited
56:33about that idea
56:34and you know
56:35pending my
56:36the commissioner
56:37and the executive's
56:38approval
56:38I'll be willing
56:39to assist
56:39in any way
56:39possible
56:40but I know
56:41we have
56:41one minute
56:42or two minutes
56:42about a minute
56:43and a half
56:44anything you want
56:44to add
56:45before you go
56:45I know the
56:46long weekend
56:46is on
56:47this upon us
56:47yes I think
56:48it's important
56:49you know
56:49the observance
56:50of emancipation
56:51I think is on
56:52Friday
56:52and to turn it
56:53out in Tobago
56:54let us examine
56:55what this
56:55emancipation
56:56really conveys
56:58to us
56:58and in terms
56:58of you know
56:59from an
56:59individual context
57:00you know
57:00from a national
57:01context
57:01and you know
57:02let's pay attention
57:03to it
57:03and you know
57:04the long weekend
57:05you know
57:05we are in the
57:06vacation period
57:09with reference
57:09to our children
57:10I think that we
57:11are just approaching
57:12the middle
57:12of the vacation
57:13period
57:13you know
57:14parents continue
57:15to supervise
57:16your children
57:16properly
57:17if you are
57:18venturing out
57:18to the beaches
57:19the rivers
57:20even if you
57:21were in a
57:22play park setting
57:23you know
57:24something
57:24you know
57:24we saw
57:25something
57:25occur recently
57:26please
57:26ensure that
57:27you supervise
57:28your children
57:28properly
57:29and invest
57:30in them
57:30take the
57:31opportunity
57:32to interact
57:32with them
57:32take the
57:33opportunity
57:34to listen
57:34to them
57:34you know
57:35make them
57:36feel welcome
57:37there's a lot
57:38to explore
57:39in Trinidad
57:39and Tobago
57:40and not
57:40withstanding
57:40that we
57:41are in a
57:41state of
57:41emergency
57:41mark
57:42it's important
57:43for us
57:43to recognize
57:44the importance
57:45of our
57:45families
57:46you know
57:47I always
57:47you know
57:47I was talking
57:48to a colleague
57:48today
57:49and you know
57:49over the last
57:50couple weeks
57:51I recognized
57:51you know
57:52the importance
57:53of being there
57:53for family
57:55members
57:55and vice
57:55versa
57:56they've been
57:56there for
57:57you
57:57not only
57:58in good
57:58times
57:59but only
57:59in difficult
57:59times
57:59so
58:00you know
58:00I just want to
58:00share that to
58:01Trinidad and Tobago
58:01and may God
58:02bless
58:02our nation
58:03all right
58:04thanks so much
58:05Sergeant Ali
58:05for sharing
58:06your time
58:06with us
58:07for the last
58:08hour
58:08remember
58:09we run
58:09tonight
58:09at 11
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