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02:51Welcome to Beyond the Tape.
03:14I'm your host Mark Basant.
03:15We want to welcome our viewers across Trinidad and Tobago, our international viewers, and our brothers and sisters in the Isles of Grenada.
03:23It's Wednesday, of course, and it's legally speaking Wednesdays, and I want to introduce somebody well known to you guys, but with a different twist in terms of his portfolio.
03:33I want to introduce Zaheer Ali, a trainee at law, also a sergeant.
03:41He's now the Director of Policy and Community Support under the Ministry of Homeland Security.
03:51So we want to welcome you, sir.
03:53Well, Mark, thank you very much for your warm and your kind introduction.
03:57And, you know, let me take this opportunity immediately, I'm humbled by it, you know, to say thanks to, you know, you and your family and Beyond the Tape, Jackie and others, and the TV6 family for the support.
04:08And now, you know, looking forward to additional support in this very important role.
04:14It will be remiss of me as well, Mark, if I do take this opportunity to recognize the Honourable Minister of Homeland Security, the Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Homeland Security, and by extension, the Executive of that Ministry, and by extension, the Cabinet of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago,
04:28for the opportunity to continue to serve my country, and most importantly, serve the people of Trinidad and Tobago, and the confidence that they have deposed, you know, upon me.
04:40I'm very humbled by it, and I'm looking forward to giving my very best for the people of Trinidad and Tobago.
04:46So thank you very much for that, to my law enforcement colleagues.
04:50Good evening to you.
04:52You know, I'm looking at you now with a different lens.
04:56Thanks to the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago.
04:58I strongly believe that I can be of more value to you, more direct input, you know, and I'll definitely be using the opportunity to, you know,
05:08ventilate some of the issues that you all are having, and also to hold your hands, to progress some of the things that you have been calling for.
05:15You know, so I want to recognize you all this afternoon, and also thank you to the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago, Mark,
05:19for the support that you have given me, you know, in the previous hat.
05:23Yes, I'm still a police officer, but in a different capacity, but I look forward to your support.
05:29And to those who may be viewing and listening out to the jurisdiction, similarly, thanks for your support as well.
05:34And, you know, I'll see how best I can assist you, Mark, in this capacity.
05:36Well, certainly a very deserving accolade there for you, Mr. Ali, and obviously we want to congratulate you on your new post,
05:45first announcement made here on Beyond the Tape, of course.
05:49Moving to matters of major tension right now, of course, Hurricane Melissa, devastated Jamaica,
06:02especially the western part of Jamaica, virtually flattening places like Westmoreland, St. Elizabeth,
06:09and at least 75% of Jamaica remains without electricity.
06:16And these areas, it's as high as 90% to 95% without electricity.
06:22We have, you know, roofs of homes being destroyed, debris on the roadways, major flooding.
06:31We had palm trees thrown in the air like toothpicks, aerial shots of the St. Elizabeth area that was actually the Prime Minister,
06:42Mr. Andrew Holness, posted on his Instagram page, showing the devastation you see there of this catastrophic Category 5 Hurricane Melissa
06:53that barreled through Jamaica.
06:56It's the first time, I was talking to a media colleague a short while ago,
07:00and he said it's the first time in the history that he took a direct hit from a hurricane.
07:06Hurricanes have passed very close to the island.
07:09But look at the devastation you're seeing there.
07:12And it's really, our heart goes out to all those persons in those areas that are affected.
07:17Of course, the shelters are available.
07:21We understand that the number of shelters and the number of people, actually,
07:24that shelters have swollen from 15,000 to near 28,000 in the last 24 hours
07:31because we have the concern of, you know, there's accessibility to certain areas that have still been cut off
07:38that the authorities are still trying to get to.
07:42And, of course, the only way in some areas that you can severely damage is through this aerial view here you're seeing.
07:50And you can see virtually leaving a path of destruction, you know, ripping through homes,
07:58uprooting trees, you know, rivers overflowing, et cetera.
08:03And it's going to take Jamaica quite some time to recover from this catastrophic hurricane.
08:10But I know that they are resilient people.
08:12And, of course, our prayers and whatever relief Trinidad and Tobago and other countries
08:16will be providing in the not-too-distant future for the coming days and weeks.
08:22Mr. Ali.
08:23Well, thank you very much, Mark.
08:24Mark, you know, I must join with you immediately and, you know, send my prayers
08:31and, you know, offer immediately expressions of hope.
08:37And, you know, you use a very critical word in terms of resilience.
08:40You know, and I ask the people of Jamaica and, you know, by extension, the people of the Caribbean,
08:48you know, to let us reflect on that word resilience as we respond to this particular situation.
08:53Mark, from a legal context, you know, just to share from an academic perspective,
08:57when you see this degree of damage or destruction by a natural disaster,
09:03and the Honorable Prime Minister of Jamaica would have indicated that it's a disaster area.
09:08Yeah.
09:08For those who may be listening and, you know, or to remind those who are already aware
09:12that declaring a place as a disaster area is not a simple position.
09:19It's a very serious position where, under the laws of, and I can make comparison to Trinidad and Tobago,
09:27that we have a Disaster Measures Act in Trinidad and Tobago to deal with situations like these,
09:32natural disasters, hurricanes, earthquakes, and for other emergencies.
09:37And the genesis of that declaration, Mark, is to ensure that, notwithstanding the destruction,
09:44things can become even more chaos if there's no order in terms of how we respond to those situations.
09:51And it may be a situation as well where certain areas on land, and even where the water is concerned,
09:56may be dangerous, so that you need a group of persons to identify or persons who identify
10:00to be able to lead and direct the response to this hurricane that, you know, passed over Jamaica.
10:07But most importantly, I want to bring to the attention of the members of the public
10:10that that declaration of the area being a disaster area, and also from our legislation in Trinidad and Tobago,
10:19you have the proclamation by the president where powers can be given to particular entities or individuals
10:26to basically take possession of property as well for the whole purpose of the rebuilding, you know,
10:34of a country or area that is defined as a disaster area.
10:37So, a very significant matter, and the Honorable Prime Minister have identified,
10:41and here he is, in terms of the disaster area.
10:44And, you know, I will close by asking the Caribbean, the international community,
10:48and by extension, the people of Trinidad and Tobago, in whatever kind, whatever way that they can assist,
10:53whether it be through prayer, whether it be through other efforts, you know,
10:57to see how best we can reach out to assist our brothers and sisters in Jamaica.
11:01And we must always take note, Mark, that when we are speaking about the natural disasters,
11:06that we must always be prepared as best as possible, because you see that a Category 5 would have passed over Jamaica,
11:13and this is the situation that we are seeing here.
11:15So, again, you know, do not underestimate nature and respect nature, you know, as we go forward.
11:22But, again, very unfortunate situation, and please, let us take heed with reference to these occurrences around us.
11:28Yes, and for those who are not familiar, in the parish of St. Elizabeth, Black River is the capital of that area,
11:34and it was severely flattened by that hurricane that virtually sat on the island for at least 12 to 14 hours.
11:45The intensity of the winds, the flooding, the rainfall, 30 inches of rainfall in that short space of time,
11:54massive flooding across Jamaica, you know.
11:57So, this is the force of nature here you're looking at in its rawest form.
12:04You know, houses uprooted, trees uprooted, power lines flattened, everything.
12:11It's just total decimation in some of these areas.
12:15As you see the Prime Minister there walking through these areas to get a first-hand view,
12:20an assessment of the damage that would have happened in these areas.
12:27And, of course, it's going to take them quite a while,
12:29and it's accompanied by the military of Jamaica, the Jamaica Defence Force as well.
12:33So, certainly a lot of work to do, but our prayers remains with the people of Jamaica,
12:40and we are hopeful that we all can pitch in and give them some assistance, Mr. Ali.
12:44Yeah, well, most certainly, and I think that should be the key this afternoon in terms of your publication,
12:48you're reporting this afternoon, to urge the citizenry of Trinidad to become an extension,
12:55as I said before, persons in the CARICOM region, even in the wider international community,
13:00to feel the urge to respond.
13:02This is something that could have happened to any one of us.
13:04As a matter of fact, history would have shown that very serious and dangerous hurricane
13:07would have impacted other Caribbean islands.
13:10You know, just by way of reference, Hurricane Ivan, Hurricane Beryl in recent times.
13:15So, you know, this is something that we live in this particular area.
13:17Every single year, there's a declaration of a season that is prone to hurricanes, you know.
13:23So, it's not something that we can easily put.
13:28We are in that zone, and the question, you know, one may say,
13:32okay, how prepared can we be for a natural disaster?
13:35Well, we should try to be as prepared as possible with reference to a natural disaster.
13:38But the key is, if it comes, like in this situation,
13:41it's going to test, and the word that you use is a beautiful word,
13:44it's going to test the resilience of the people of the Caribbean,
13:48so that you're not expecting an overnight rebuilding of that country.
13:51That may take, as you said before, that may take years
13:53to really rebuild Jamaica in the way that they would like it to be rebuilt.
13:58But, again, unfortunate situation.
14:00And let us remember, when a place is declared as a disaster area,
14:05because while we may not have a situation where we have a hurricane,
14:07at times, Mark, and now I sit in a policy context,
14:11and policy triggers law or amendment to the law,
14:14you may see situations where we are prone to flooding.
14:17And sometimes areas are very badly affected.
14:22It creates a major risk.
14:23And the question is, should we be declaring those areas
14:25as areas where it's a disaster area
14:28to avoid persons or risk the person's life
14:31and control the activities that are ongoing in relation to those areas?
14:35So, again, let us use this as a learning and a development process as well,
14:39notwithstanding the destruction that we have seen there.
14:43But thank you very much, and I urge you to continue to advocate
14:46for help for the persons of Jamaica.
14:48Yes, certainly.
14:49And just before we move on, of course,
14:51the authorities told us that if you need to head to Jamaica,
14:55commercial flights will be available from tomorrow to Kingston.
14:59However, the Sangsta Airport in Mubei
15:01is only accepting relief flights at this point in time,
15:05and they are the smaller airport in Hanover,
15:08where American Airlines is used.
15:10That is still not operational.
15:12So hopefully, as you said, it will take some time,
15:15but we're hopeful that the Jamaican people will receive the assistance needed
15:20internationally and regionally as well.
15:22May I just say one more thing, Mark?
15:24And, you know, last time you was on the program,
15:27you know, you basically, you heckled me with reference to my haircut
15:30and whether, you know, it was a result of, you know,
15:34the West Indies performance.
15:35And I want to say to you today
15:36that I see that you're very passionate about West Indies cricket.
15:39And just to remind you and remind our listeners and viewers
15:44that Jamaica forms part of West Indies cricket
15:46and a very significant part.
15:48So we should be feeling the pain as West Indian fans
15:52that one of our Caribbean islands that produce
15:56or has a stake in West Indies cricket is also impacted.
15:59So let us look at it where, you know,
16:01you always hear about West Indies cricket bringing Caribbean people together.
16:05Let us look at that being the biggest test match,
16:08but not test match in a cricket in context,
16:11but a test match to see how quick we can rebuild Jamaica
16:14in light of the circumstances.
16:15So I just wanted to show that by you this afternoon.
16:17Well said.
16:18And, you know, the West Indies won the T20 against Bangladesh earlier today.
16:22So we'll dedicate that success to urge us
16:24to be able to respond to the issues in Jamaica.
16:26Indeed.
16:27All right.
16:27Just moving on, of course,
16:28we know that the state of emergency was extended.
16:32Well, it's proposed to be extended
16:33and will be discussed on Friday in the parliament.
16:38But, of course,
16:39the commissioner of police gave his reasoning
16:41to reporter Alexander Bruzel last night
16:43as to why he would have recommended
16:45that the state of emergency be extended.
16:48Let's take a listen.
16:49Thank you for reaching out, Mr. Bruzel.
16:53Even as you put it at this hour,
16:56as I understand the urgency of the question,
16:59the extension of the state of emergency
17:01is a matter for parliament
17:03and not the TTPS to determine its duration.
17:06What I can confirm is that I submitted
17:10a classified operational report
17:12to the National Security Council,
17:14inclusive of recommendations.
17:17The contents of that report remain confidential
17:20as it should be given the sensitivity
17:23of the ongoing operations.
17:25From the TTPS's standpoint,
17:28the initial threat was neutralized
17:30through decisive disruption.
17:32What followed and what continues currently
17:36is a dismantling phase.
17:39Several actors have gone into hiding
17:41and we are pursuing them
17:42through precision intelligence operations.
17:45The additional time allows us to deepen that work
17:50to also consolidate gains,
17:53prevent reorganization within criminal networks
17:56and reinforce community safety
17:59through sustained presence
18:01and strategic targeting.
18:05This is about keeping the country safe
18:08and I appreciate the calls and messages of support
18:12that have come from the members of the public.
18:14It is truly heartwarming to know
18:16that the job that is being done by law enforcement
18:21is truly appreciated.
18:25So on behalf of all the various arms of law enforcement,
18:30I wish to thank the public for their continued support.
18:35Commissioner of Police Day, Alistair Guevara.
18:39Mr. Ali?
18:40Well, I'm happy, Mark,
18:42that the Commissioner of Police have spoken.
18:46I always believe in effective communication
18:48so that the members of the public citizenry
18:50can be properly advised,
18:52especially in such significant matter.
18:54And to link it with the portfolio
18:55that I hold currently,
18:57in simple terms,
18:58what the Commissioner has done
18:59is basically provided the policy position.
19:02Policy position built with the present construct
19:05in terms of the statistics,
19:08some of the justifications,
19:10some of the advantages
19:11in continuing a state of emergency.
19:15So he has provided a policy position,
19:17hopefully will be debated by the Parliament
19:19to be able to trigger the law
19:21as it relates to a continuation
19:24of the state of emergency
19:25using the constitutional powers.
19:26So, again,
19:27an ideal way to link policy and law.
19:30But, you know,
19:31thanks to the Police Commissioner
19:32for, you know,
19:33bringing some clarity
19:34with the reference to this issue
19:35and the possible continuation
19:37of the state of emergency.
19:38All right.
19:39Thanks a lot.
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22:37Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
22:38I'm your host, Mark Bassan,
22:39of course,
22:39joined today by
22:41Zaheer Ali,
22:42Director of Policy
22:44and Community Support
22:45under the Ministry
22:46of Homeland Security
22:47and attorney at law,
22:48of course,
22:49his new portfolio.
22:51And, you know,
22:52I just want you to give us
22:53an idea quickly
22:54as to what that
22:55new portfolio entails.
22:57Well, markets
22:58are very, very wide scope
22:59with reference
23:00to when we speak
23:01about the first aspect
23:02of policy.
23:03It's directing focus
23:04to law enforcement agencies
23:06in Trinidad and Tobago.
23:08So it's about looking
23:08at the policies
23:09that currently exist
23:10and seeing where,
23:11you know,
23:12amendments could be made
23:13or even new policies
23:14and to even trigger
23:15amendments to the current law
23:17to be able to ensure
23:18that these law enforcement agencies
23:20are effective
23:21and fulfilling
23:22their legal mandate
23:23just by way of reference
23:24in terms of the policy area.
23:26There's also
23:26a community support
23:27which is, again,
23:28and I'm sure
23:28the citizens
23:29will be very interested
23:30in this part
23:30where there's a lot of matters
23:32that are affecting
23:33members of the public.
23:35And, you know,
23:35just a hint,
23:36things like noise,
23:37things like,
23:37you know,
23:38mental health response
23:39of law enforcement
23:40to mental health issues.
23:42You know,
23:43some of the prevailing
23:44and, you know,
23:45the public have cried out
23:46for a deliberate response
23:48to these issues.
23:49So from our community support,
23:50we are also looking at
23:51matters that can be
23:52directly impacting
23:53the community
23:53but also from a youth
23:55and community development
23:57perspective.
23:58So just by way of reference,
24:00we would have seen
24:00the intervention
24:01of police officers
24:01in the nation's schools
24:02in terms of high risk.
24:04One of the areas
24:04that I'm contemplating
24:05is looking for an initiative
24:07to complement
24:07that intervention
24:09by the TTPS
24:10so that we are looking
24:11at prevention and suppression
24:12but dealing with the core issues
24:14as to what may have been
24:15causing these issues,
24:16whether it be social,
24:17economic,
24:17or what have you.
24:18So I'm looking to sit down
24:20with the team
24:20of the Honorable Minister
24:21of Homeland Security
24:21and the executive
24:23to be able to look,
24:25you know,
24:26decisively
24:27at an effective initiative
24:30to be able to complement
24:31the intervention
24:32by the police.
24:32We saw recently
24:33that the Deputy Commissioner,
24:35Mr. Benjamin,
24:35would have spoken
24:36about, you know,
24:37evaluating the success
24:38of the police officers
24:39in the school
24:40and it's a very exciting response.
24:43Yes.
24:43You know,
24:43and I'm hoping that we...
24:44That's really diminished,
24:45you said.
24:45Yes.
24:45Increased, sorry.
24:46Yes, and I'm hoping
24:47now we can build on it now
24:48from an educational context
24:50or a social intervention context
24:51and, you know,
24:52just yesterday you had
24:53Corporal Shabidi
24:54on this show,
24:55you know,
24:55in relation to the responsibility
24:57of the youth clubs.
24:59So I'm going to look at this
25:00in a very systematic way
25:02to ensure that
25:02all the stakeholders
25:03who are including
25:04the Children's Authority,
25:05the various ministries
25:06to basically have
25:08a directed effort
25:10in relation to dealing
25:11with these issues
25:12because we know, Mark,
25:13that the children
25:13are our future
25:14in this country.
25:15So, you know,
25:15just to agitate a little bit
25:16based on your question,
25:17it's a very, very broad area,
25:19wide in scope
25:20and I respectfully think
25:21I told the Honorable Minister
25:22of Homeland Security
25:23in our initial discussion,
25:24I told him,
25:25I said that
25:25we are possessed
25:27with a mandate
25:28that is so important
25:29as we speak
25:30in Trinidad and Tobago.
25:31Where crime and criminality
25:32is basically impacting
25:34every sector of society
25:35and when you look
25:37at this particular unit,
25:38this particular unit
25:39is geared towards
25:40strengthening
25:40the law enforcement response
25:42and also looking at
25:44how we can partner
25:45with the community
25:46including, may I say,
25:48external agencies.
25:49So like you have
25:49the UNDP,
25:51you have WHO,
25:53you have the University
25:53of the West Indies,
25:54you have the Caribbean
25:55Court of Justice.
25:56So, you know,
25:57it's a very wide mandate
25:59and scope
25:59and I think I'm very excited
26:00about it, Mark.
26:01And, you know,
26:02I would not leave out
26:03the important role
26:04that the media
26:04will have to play
26:07when, you know,
26:08these activities
26:09are rolled out
26:10to ensure that we
26:11create the pathway
26:12to get effective response
26:14because I think
26:15that policies
26:15must be driven
26:16with the input
26:17of members of the public.
26:19So, that's in a nutshell
26:20the mandate of this unit.
26:21We appreciate that
26:22and of course
26:23we wish you well
26:23and I'm sure
26:24we'll be hearing more
26:25as time goes on
26:27about some of the things
26:28that you would
26:29be rolling out.
26:30to definitely leave
26:31by the grace of the Lord.
26:32All right.
26:33It's day 104
26:35of the state of emergency.
26:36We quickly want to bring you
26:37up to speed
26:38with some of the figures.
26:40Number of operations
26:417,508.
26:42Target priority offenders
26:442,561.
26:45Searches conducted
26:4649,553.
26:49Traffic operations
26:505,051.
26:52Total persons arrested
26:533,273.
26:55Traffic offenses detected
26:5629,913.
26:59Farms recovered
27:00no change.
27:00Total 192 farms.
27:02Ammunition recovered
27:03total 2,425 rounds.
27:05We had a rise
27:06there 9mm of
27:071,331 rounds.
27:094,76 rounds
27:11of 5.56.
27:12And of course
27:13dangerous drugs seized
27:14629,244.98 grams
27:18of cannabis.
27:198,929.25 grams
27:22of cocaine.
27:23Same figure
27:24for STC pills
27:25and molly.
27:28So Mark, again,
27:30excellent work
27:31on the part
27:31of the law enforcement
27:33agencies,
27:34TTPS and others.
27:35And by extension
27:36the citizenry of
27:36Trinidad and Tobago.
27:37Now when I look
27:38at the statistics
27:39now with the eyes
27:40or the lens
27:40of a policy maker
27:41or I should say
27:42a policy perspective,
27:46if we are seeing
27:47the, for example,
27:50the number of firearms
27:51being seized
27:51or in the case
27:52of the dangerous drug,
27:54what we are seeing
27:55is perhaps a need
27:56to see whether
27:57in fact the laws
27:58of Trinidad and Tobago
27:59is fulfilling
28:02its obligation
28:03and objectives.
28:04Is it acting
28:05as a deterrent
28:05for persons to say,
28:06okay, I am afraid
28:07to possess a firearm.
28:09I am afraid
28:09to be dealing
28:10in dangerous drug.
28:11So this may be
28:12in terms of simplicity
28:13or areas as to
28:14whether in fact
28:15we need to look
28:15at the present statistics,
28:18do some research
28:19and determine
28:19whether in fact
28:19there is a need
28:20to maybe shape
28:21the legislation
28:21to have deeper impact,
28:24deeper and more intensity
28:27to be able
28:27to prevent crime
28:28and criminality.
28:29So I just want
28:30to use this example
28:30when you are seeing
28:31things that are
28:32very prevalent
28:33and there may be a law.
28:35The question is,
28:35is it that the law
28:36is being enforced?
28:37Is it that the law
28:38is sufficient
28:38or we need to look
28:39at it from a policy context
28:40to trigger amendments?
28:42So again,
28:42I am using this opportunity
28:44as the inaugural session
28:46basically
28:47to demonstrate
28:48the importance
28:49of consistent
28:51and effective review
28:52in relation
28:52from a law enforcement context
28:54to see how we can
28:55move forward.
28:55And it will be remiss
28:57of me, Mark,
28:57if I don't indicate
28:58when you ask
28:59about the mandate
29:00of the unit.
29:01The unit also has
29:03two very important
29:03scope as well.
29:05One is oversight
29:06over the transit police
29:08and that's a very
29:09critical area.
29:10I made a point
29:10to the transit recently
29:11in a meeting
29:12with the general staff
29:13that if you look
29:14at how many persons
29:15traverse the parity bus route
29:17on a daily basis
29:17with the maxi-taxis
29:19and public officials
29:20and what have you.
29:20It's a very large percentage
29:22of the population
29:23of Trinidad and Tobago
29:24that moves up and down
29:25that bus route.
29:26Hence why the transit police
29:27must be transformed
29:29to give that effect
29:30that we are looking for
29:31and especially
29:32where they are also
29:33the areas that they focus on
29:34in terms of crime
29:35and criminality.
29:36And the last but not least,
29:37Mark,
29:37which I'm sure
29:38the national security officers
29:39in various,
29:41whether it be
29:41defense force,
29:42CTPS,
29:43prisons,
29:43what have you,
29:44the national security
29:45officers foundation
29:46which was set up
29:48to look at persons
29:49who may have died
29:50in the line of duty
29:50and the persons
29:51who are dependents,
29:53whether you are going
29:53to offer scholarships
29:54to their children,
29:56psychosocial support
29:57to family members,
29:59very, very sensitive
30:00and important areas
30:01and again an area
30:02that I'm looking for
30:03for deep discussions
30:04with the honorable minister
30:05and other stakeholders
30:06to ensure that
30:06we place focus
30:08on our national security
30:09foundation
30:10and the officers
30:11who on a daily basis
30:12continue to put
30:13their life
30:14on the line
30:15to defend
30:16the people
30:17of Trinidad and Tobago.
30:18So again,
30:18very significant issues
30:19and I'm looking forward
30:22to the support
30:22from both the private
30:24and public sector
30:24with reference
30:25to those initiatives.
30:26All right,
30:27thanks a lot
30:27for that clarity,
30:28Ms. Ali.
30:29Let's take a quick
30:30look now
30:30at our headlines.
30:43So those are some
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34:08Welcome back to Be On The Tip.
34:09I'm your host,
34:10Mark Bussan.
34:10It's Legally Speaking Wednesdays.
34:12Of course,
34:12I'm joined by a man
34:13that is not a stranger
34:16to you guys,
34:16but in a new portfolio,
34:18a tenured law
34:19and director of policy
34:21and community support
34:22under the Homeland Security Ministry.
34:25I have to keep looking at it
34:26to get familiar with it,
34:28of course.
34:29We did mention,
34:32we talked about
34:33a decrease in school violence
34:36as the DCP would have
34:38pointed out,
34:39Benjamin.
34:40Yes.
34:40But of course,
34:42it still continues
34:43in some measure
34:44and we have this video
34:45to share with you.
34:46So it's at least
34:50two to three students
34:52pounding
34:53on another student,
34:56two students
34:56and, you know,
34:59she's holding on
35:00to that reeling,
35:01of course,
35:01because, you know,
35:03if she doesn't hold on there
35:04and she can fall
35:06down the stairway,
35:08there are others
35:08that are filming
35:09and then she's
35:11apparently
35:12she gets away
35:13and she walks up the stairs.
35:16Totally unacceptable behavior
35:17by those young women.
35:19Unacceptable.
35:20And it's unacceptable, Mark.
35:22And hence why
35:22I made the point
35:23a while ago
35:23that while
35:24there was a first intervention
35:26by the placement
35:27of the police officers
35:28to prevent and suppress
35:29and I want to make
35:30use of those two words,
35:32prevent and suppress
35:33and we have seen
35:34the pronouncements
35:36of the success
35:37that coming out
35:41from the initial intervention
35:42of the police,
35:43what is important
35:44and hence why
35:45I think from a policy context
35:46now,
35:47and I hinted a while ago,
35:49that the identification
35:53as to why the children
35:54may be behaving
35:55in the way that they're behaving
35:56and having an effective
35:58response to it
35:59is critical
36:00because what we may have done,
36:01we may have prevented
36:02and suppressed
36:03but the behavior
36:04still within the individual
36:06and perhaps
36:08can manifest itself
36:09one police
36:10or not within the vicinity
36:11or in the presence.
36:12What we want the children
36:12to do
36:13is to have an appreciation
36:14that their engagement
36:16and a simple,
36:19the consequences
36:20that can flow.
36:22Children may not be aware
36:23of the serious consequences
36:24or if they are aware,
36:25they are naive to it.
36:27How do we bring it alive
36:28to these children?
36:29That is from a consequential context.
36:31And going further,
36:32the policy may also require
36:34the intervention
36:34of other stakeholders.
36:36For example,
36:37do we know if it's an issue
36:38of an economic situation
36:40that may have triggered
36:41the use of violence?
36:43Do we know if it's a social issue
36:45that may have triggered
36:46the issue of violence?
36:47Do we know if it's an issue
36:48of where there may have been abuse
36:50of a dangerous drug
36:51or a child being exposed
36:53to a dangerous drug
36:54and let's take it home?
36:56So hence why I'm saying
36:57that it must be complemented
36:58by at least at minimum
37:00an educational intervention
37:02to start speaking resolution.
37:07So like in anything else, Mark,
37:08when you,
37:09and I'll use a medical example,
37:11when you're going to do
37:12a very sensitive surgery
37:15that the person
37:17cannot be, you know, awake,
37:21what happens?
37:22You have to take control
37:23of the individual first
37:24before you start to do
37:25your deep analysis
37:28from a surgical context.
37:29What we are seeing here
37:31is that crime and violence
37:33and delinquency
37:34in particular schools
37:35was overbearing
37:36and the state did in fact
37:38make a response
37:39and a very decisive response.
37:41The question now is that
37:42what else is required
37:44to be placed in that domain?
37:46And hence why I'm saying that
37:47from a community support context,
37:50from a policy context,
37:52it's important for us
37:52to complement this prevention
37:54and suppression strategy.
37:55So again, looking at that incident,
37:57if that's properly investigated,
37:58if the due diligence is exercised,
38:00you may well find
38:01why that situation
38:02may have unfolded
38:03and you may have seen
38:04situations where
38:05that may have been prevented
38:06or it can be easily diagnosed
38:09and ensure that
38:10it doesn't have a repeat
38:11because if you don't treat it,
38:13it's just a matter of time
38:14before it repeats itself
38:15because you may find out
38:16that the person
38:16who was the victim
38:17find it within themselves
38:19now to respond
38:20and then you have
38:21another escalation.
38:21So I'm happy that you showed that
38:23and I'm happy the opportunity
38:24that I got
38:25to justify
38:26why it is that
38:28we need to look further
38:28and deeper
38:29into that area.
38:30Alright, thanks so much
38:31for shedding some light
38:33on that.
38:34Of course, you know,
38:34we always talk about
38:35situational awareness
38:36on this program,
38:37observing your surroundings
38:38when you are out
38:40on the street
38:40or at a car park
38:42or anything
38:42and we just want
38:44to show you
38:44this video
38:45that we got
38:46of a person
38:47being followed.
38:54So it appears
38:55that somebody
38:55is on the top
38:56of the screen there.
38:58He's trying to
38:58try to cross
39:01and then he
39:01went back
39:02onto the pavement
39:03and we are seeing
39:11three individuals
39:12crossing the street.
39:25So I'm guessing
39:26that they followed him,
39:29grabbed his chain
39:30and any other valuables
39:33he could possibly have
39:35but I'm a little bit
39:35confused
39:36at the top
39:37of the thing there.
39:38I don't know
39:39if they had
39:39an exchange
39:40of some sort
39:40with him.
39:42Sergeant?
39:43Well, Mark,
39:44it's difficult to
39:44interpret
39:47this particular video.
39:47Yeah, because
39:48I would have thought
39:49at some point
39:50that perhaps
39:50they were going
39:51into the car
39:51with him.
39:52Yeah, and that's
39:53what I'm saying
39:53it's difficult
39:54to really determine
39:55what may be
39:56I should say
39:58motive or motives
39:59for what we are
40:00seeing unfolding
40:01in terms of
40:02what appears
40:03to be
40:03the snatching
40:06of what appears
40:07to be
40:07jewelry.
40:09So, you know,
40:11I don't want to
40:12pronounce and pronounce
40:12prematurely
40:13but again
40:13what is clear
40:15is in public
40:17daylight
40:19you are seeing
40:20persons
40:21who may have
40:21appeared
40:22to have breached
40:22the peace
40:23and I'm using
40:24a very simple
40:25very, very simple
40:26in terms of
40:27breaching the peace
40:27could be a simple
40:28obscene language mark
40:29or persons fighting
40:30in the public domain
40:31and again
40:32as a society
40:33you do not want
40:33to be seeing
40:34these things
40:34and I have not
40:35gone into
40:35whether in fact
40:36it's a robbery
40:37it's a threat to kill
40:38you know
40:38I'm not even
40:39looking at that
40:40to that extent
40:41but just seeing
40:42that altercation
40:43simple breach
40:44of the peace
40:45really, you know
40:46will warrant
40:46police intervention
40:47but again
40:48I cannot go
40:49to, you know
40:50conclusively say
40:51exactly
40:51what is the
40:52situation
40:52with reference
40:54to that
40:54but again
40:54you know
40:55I hope that
40:56the police
40:57will be looking
40:58into those matters
40:59securely
40:59necessary footage
41:00and you know
41:00conduct a diligent
41:01investigation
41:02alright
41:02thanks a lot
41:03I think we have
41:04our first caller
41:05on the line
41:05caller good evening
41:06and welcome
41:06to be on the table
41:07good evening
41:11go ahead caller
41:11we're hearing you
41:13hello caller
41:17concerning this
41:19police violence
41:20I call
41:22I call
41:22well
41:26unfortunately
41:27the connection
41:28seems to be
41:29bad
41:30we are not
41:31hearing you
41:32clearly of course
41:33you're dropping off
41:34so maybe you can
41:36try back of course
41:37I suppose
41:38she was
41:40she made
41:41mention of
41:42school violence
41:43what you might
41:45have alluded
41:45to a minute
41:46ago
41:46let's see if we
41:49can try and get
41:49that caller
41:50back
41:50let's try again
41:53caller
41:54good evening
41:54again
41:55go ahead
41:56yes
41:58I am
41:59sorry
41:59to be
42:00silent
42:01alright
42:06caller
42:06unfortunately
42:07we are unable
42:07to hear you
42:09of course
42:09so we're going
42:10to take a short
42:10break
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45:01Welcome back to
45:16Beyond the Tape
45:16I'm your host
45:17Mark Bussan
45:17of course
45:17joined today
45:18by Attenant Law
45:19Zahiri Ali
45:20Director of Policy
45:22and Community Support
45:23under the Homeland
45:24Security Ministry
45:25I see you're getting
45:26it correct Mark
45:27I'm working on it
45:28I'm working on it
45:29I appreciate that Mark
45:30Alright
45:31so we have
45:32another caller
45:33on the line
45:33caller good evening
45:34and welcome to be
45:34on the tape
45:35Yes hello
45:36good evening
45:37Good evening
45:38good evening
45:39Yeah I hope
45:39you're not okay
45:40both of you
45:40Now I am quoting
45:42I am quoting
45:43from the Thursday
45:45September the
45:4618th Guardian
45:48Caller if you don't
45:50mind just lower
45:51your television
45:52put it on mute
45:53please
45:53we're getting
45:54some feedback
45:54Thank you
45:57Yes go ahead
45:59I deliberately
46:00turned off my
46:01television
46:01I'm not hearing
46:02my television
46:02at all
46:03it's the law
46:04Go ahead
46:05we're hearing you
46:06Yes caller
46:10you can go ahead
46:11Okay yes
46:12Now this
46:14I'm just reading
46:16it in five lines
46:17right
46:17it's an official
46:18document
46:19because it was
46:19on the Guardian
46:20right
46:21it concerns
46:22a survey that was
46:24done
46:25or work that has
46:25been done
46:26by a former
46:26Deputy Secretary
46:27General
46:28of the United
46:29Nations
46:29and also the
46:30Executive Director
46:31of the United
46:32Nations
46:33Office
46:33on Drugs
46:34and Crime
46:35UNODC
46:37Okay
46:38The name of
46:40the first
46:41the Guardian
46:41is
46:42Pino
46:43Alachi
46:44Let me just
46:45read three lines
46:45alone
46:46as it begins
46:47as I told you
46:48it's on the
46:49Thursday
46:49September the
46:5014th Guardian
46:522025
46:53Okay
46:55and I'd just
46:55like to hear
46:56a comment
46:56after
46:57Okay
46:59I quote
46:59During
47:02my time
47:03as head
47:04of the United
47:05Nations
47:05Office
47:06on Drugs
47:07and Crime
47:07which is
47:08UN
47:08I frequently
47:11traveled to
47:12Colombia
47:13Bolivia
47:14Peru
47:15and Brazil
47:16but never
47:17to Venezuela
47:18there was
47:20simply no need
47:21to
47:21the Venezuelan
47:23government
47:23collaboration
47:24in the fight
47:25against drug
47:26trafficking
47:26was among
47:27the best
47:28in South
47:28America
47:29rivaled only
47:31by Cuba's
47:32impeccable
47:32records
47:33this
47:34made
47:34Trump's
47:35narrative
47:36of
47:37an
47:37narcotic
47:37state
47:38in Venezuela
47:38more like
47:40geopolitical
47:41motivated
47:42standard
47:43just one
47:44more
47:45line
47:45the
47:462025
47:47drug
47:48report
47:49tells
47:50the story
47:50that is
47:51opposite
47:52of the
47:52narrative
47:53settled
47:53by the
47:54administration
47:54piece
47:56by piece
47:56the report
47:57dismantles
47:58the geopolitical
47:59lie
48:00about the
48:01cartel
48:02de los
48:02solos
48:03an entity
48:04as
48:04mythical
48:05as
48:06the
48:06North
48:06Death
48:07Monster
48:07which is
48:08useful
48:09for justifying
48:10sanctions
48:11blockade
48:12and threat
48:12military
48:13intervention
48:14against a
48:15country
48:15which
48:15incidentally
48:16sits on
48:17one of the
48:18largest
48:19oil
48:20bills
48:20in
48:21Seoul
48:21I'd like
48:22you to
48:22comment
48:22on that
48:23in
48:23relation
48:24to
48:24what
48:24is
48:24happening
48:25and
48:25talk
48:26about
48:27international
48:28criminal
48:29law
48:29could be
48:30breached
48:30right now
48:31by a
48:32criminal
48:32act
48:32that
48:33may
48:33take place
48:33a dangerous
48:34act
48:34that
48:35may
48:35take
48:35place
48:35very
48:37close to
48:37us
48:37thank you
48:38thanks a
48:40lot
48:40caller
48:40well thank
48:41you very
48:41much
48:42caller
48:42for your
48:43for your
48:45submission
48:45and your
48:46quoting
48:46you know
48:47reportedly
48:48from
48:48one of
48:49the
48:49national
48:50newspapers
48:51those are
48:53very sensitive
48:54matters
48:54while you
48:56have the
48:56opportunity
48:57to read
48:57a couple
48:58lines for
48:59us
48:59I will
49:00want to
49:00take a
49:00more
49:00responsible
49:01position
49:01to see
49:02the entire
49:02article
49:02and to
49:03be able
49:03to check
49:04the veracity
49:04of that
49:06reporting
49:06before I
49:07comment on
49:07that especially
49:08with the
49:08current
49:09geopolitical
49:09climate
49:10that way
49:10and so
49:11you know
49:12if I
49:13didn't
49:13you know
49:14respond to
49:16you in
49:16the way
49:16that you
49:16may have
49:16expected
49:17please
49:17understand
49:19that I
49:19have to
49:19take
49:20very
49:20informed
49:21positions
49:21and as
49:22I said
49:22before
49:22I want
49:24to be
49:24very
49:24responsible
49:24in my
49:25response
49:25but again
49:26thank you
49:26for joining
49:27the conversation
49:27and definitely
49:28I'll take
49:28a look
49:29to the
49:30date
49:31and time
49:31and see
49:32if I can
49:32place my
49:33eyes
49:33on that
49:34particular
49:35article
49:35Mark I
49:35don't know
49:36if you
49:36have any
49:36response
49:36to that
49:37I would
49:37I would
49:37reserve
49:38comment
49:38as well
49:39all right
49:40we have
49:40another
49:41call on
49:41the line
49:41call
49:41good evening
49:42and welcome
49:42to be on
49:43the team
49:43good evening
49:44Mr. Mark
49:45and good
49:46afternoon
49:47and congratulations
49:48Sergeant
49:50Ali to your new
49:51responsibility
49:53I wish you
49:55well
49:55a couple
49:57of things
49:57and I
49:59said something
50:01yesterday
50:02with the
50:04officer who was
50:05there
50:05I think it's
50:05Sharpie
50:06with respect
50:08to
50:08the exit
50:10ramp on
50:11Monroe Road
50:11where you have
50:12a lot of
50:12young
50:13young
50:13babies
50:14being exploited
50:15today I
50:17saw
50:17a lot
50:20of
50:21people
50:21using
50:23bicycles
50:24and they
50:25are not
50:26Trinidadians
50:28and they
50:29are using
50:30our
50:32system
50:32riding
50:34on the
50:35wrong side
50:36of the
50:36road
50:36on the
50:37main road
50:38in
50:38Shibonald
50:38the
50:40second
50:40excuse
50:41is
50:42that
50:43I
50:44because
50:44I look
50:45at other
50:46countries
50:46I'm
50:47benchmarking
50:47the
50:48TTP
50:48to the
50:49Kiana
50:49police
50:50force
50:50and I
50:52made
50:52mention
50:52yesterday
50:53to the
50:54two
50:54activities
50:54of
50:54bombing
50:55and
50:56things
50:56like
50:56that
50:56and I
50:56want
50:57to
50:57just
50:58tell
50:59people
50:59what
50:59I
51:00think
51:00the
51:01guy
51:01who
51:02they
51:03basically
51:03arrested
51:03for
51:04bombing
51:04came
51:05in
51:05on
51:06Sunday
51:07with
51:08a
51:09boat
51:09illegally
51:11that is
51:11how
51:12quickly
51:12they
51:13found
51:13out
51:13and he
51:14bombed
51:15the
51:15place
51:16in
51:16one
51:17or
51:18two
51:18days
51:18so
51:19it
51:19tells
51:19me
51:20that
51:20something
51:21is
51:21happening
51:21in
51:21the
51:22police
51:22force
51:22in
51:22Guyana
51:23because
51:23they
51:25use
51:26AI
51:26technology
51:27remaster
51:28the
51:28image
51:29of
51:30the
51:30person
51:30and
51:31were
51:31able
51:31to
51:32get
51:32a
51:32good
51:32image
51:32and
51:33the
51:33general
51:34public
51:34health
51:34detail
51:35issue
51:35you
51:37have
51:38always
51:38said
51:38we
51:38have
51:39to
51:39be
51:39very
51:39careful
51:40what
51:40comes
51:40out
51:41of
51:41our
51:41mouth
51:41and
51:42our
51:42postage
51:43I
51:44have
51:44seen
51:44two
51:45issues
51:45and
51:46I
51:46have
51:46yet
51:46to
51:47hear
51:47the
51:47police
51:47do
51:48anything
51:48about
51:49this
51:49a
51:50paid
51:51blogger
51:52news
51:52source
51:53paper
51:53source
51:53said
51:54something
51:55in
51:55here
51:55cause
51:56public
51:56mistake
51:57and
51:57recently
51:58there
51:59was
51:59a
51:59video
51:59posted
52:00with
52:00a
52:00cross
52:00air
52:01on
52:02the
52:02prime
52:02minister
52:03resident
52:03it's
52:04all
52:05over
52:05the
52:05place
52:05I'm
52:06hoping
52:06that
52:07I
52:07see
52:07some
52:07sort
52:08of
52:08response
52:08from
52:08the
52:09TDPS
52:09we
52:10are
52:10looking
52:10and
52:10trying
52:11to
52:11help
52:11the
52:11TDPS
52:12move
52:12forward
52:13but
52:13the
52:14TDPS
52:14has
52:15shown
52:16that
52:16they
52:17are
52:17going
52:17the
52:18extra
52:18might
52:18make
52:19us
52:19safe
52:20and
52:20secure
52:21and
52:22telling
52:23us
52:23they
52:23wanted
52:24to
52:24continue
52:25to
52:25buy
52:25into
52:26the
52:26police
52:26service
52:27have
52:27a
52:27nice
52:28evening
52:28and
52:28I
52:28said
52:29enjoy
52:29your
52:30new
52:30responsibility
52:31I knew
52:31it
52:31will
52:31be
52:31successful
52:32thanks
52:33a lot
52:34Kola
52:34Kola
52:35thank you
52:35very much
52:36for your
52:36kind
52:36comments
52:36and
52:37your
52:37wishes
52:37and
52:37you
52:38know
52:38just
52:39listening
52:39to
52:40your
52:40tone
52:40I
52:40can
52:40feel
52:41the
52:42depth
52:42of
52:42that
52:43best
52:43wishes
52:43very
52:44critical
52:44point
52:45you
52:45raised
52:45Mark
52:45and
52:45I
52:45want
52:45to
52:45expand
52:46a
52:46little
52:47bit
52:47I
52:48want
52:49to
52:49you
52:49all
52:49and
52:49I'm
52:50speaking
52:50from
52:50a
52:50legal
52:50context
52:51here
52:51now
52:51that
52:52we
52:53are
52:53in
52:53a
52:54very
52:54sensitive
52:55time
52:55in
52:55Trinidad
52:56and
52:56Tobago
52:56and
52:57with
52:58the
52:58geopolitics
52:59that
52:59we
52:59are
52:59seeing
52:59we
53:01state
53:03of
53:03emergency
53:04is
53:04also
53:04in
53:05the
53:05periphery
53:05I'm
53:07asking
53:07the
53:07citizenry
53:07of
53:07Trinidad
53:08and
53:08Tobago
53:08in
53:08fact
53:08I
53:09should
53:09say
53:09I'm
53:09advising
53:09the
53:10citizenry
53:10of
53:11Trinidad
53:11and
53:11Tobago
53:11to
53:11be
53:11responsible
53:12whether
53:14orally
53:14or
53:15otherwise
53:16with
53:17reference
53:17to
53:17your
53:17engagements
53:18your
53:20oral
53:21statements
53:21your
53:23other
53:23statements
53:24which
53:25includes
53:25posting
53:25on
53:26social
53:26media
53:26and
53:27providing
53:27information
53:28if it's
53:29not
53:29temper
53:29you can
53:31be
53:31called
53:31upon
53:31to
53:31answer
53:32very
53:32hard
53:32questions
53:33from
53:33a
53:33criminal
53:34context
53:34there
53:35are
53:35several
53:36criminal
53:37offenses
53:37in
53:38the
53:38law
53:38book
53:38that
53:39you
53:39must
53:40be
53:40paying
53:40attention
53:40to
53:41and
53:41by
53:41way
53:41of
53:41example
53:41we
53:42have
53:42the
53:42sedition
53:42act
53:42we
53:44have
53:45regulation
53:4711
53:48under
53:48the
53:48state
53:48of
53:48emergency
53:49regulations
53:49that
53:49talks
53:50about
53:50statements
53:51that
53:51are
53:51looking
53:52to
53:52influence
53:53public
53:53opinion
53:54that
53:54may
53:54be
53:54prejudicial
53:54to
53:55public
53:55safety
53:55and
53:55security
53:56members
53:57of
53:57the
53:57public
53:57be
53:57responsible
53:58do
53:59not
53:59have
53:59the
53:59police
54:00knocking
54:00on
54:00your
54:00door
54:00for
54:01irresponsible
54:01behavior
54:02this
54:02is
54:02a
54:03very
54:03sensitive
54:03time
54:03so
54:04Kola
54:04I
54:04want
54:04to
54:04thank
54:05you
54:05for
54:06triggering
54:07the
54:07pulse
54:08of that
54:08particular
54:08because
54:08I
54:09intended
54:09to
54:09deal
54:12prevent
54:13any
54:13untoward
54:14activity
54:14and
54:15do
54:16not
54:16treat
54:16this
54:17situation
54:17as
54:18a
54:19light
54:19situation
54:20or
54:20situation
54:21in which
54:21you
54:21can
54:22be
54:22making
54:22irresponsible
54:23or
54:23reckless
54:24statements
54:24that
54:25can
54:25now
54:25impact
54:26the
54:26criminal
54:26law
54:26so
54:27I'm
54:27happy
54:27that
54:27you
54:27raised
54:27that
54:28please
54:28be
54:28guided
54:28accordingly
54:29Mark
54:29I
54:29don't
54:29know
54:30how
54:30much
54:30time
54:30we
54:30have
54:31left
54:31we
54:31want
54:33to
54:33get
54:33to
54:33quickly
54:34all
54:38right
54:38our
54:39last
54:39caller
54:39for
54:39the
54:40evening
54:40caller
54:40good
54:40evening
54:41you
54:41have
54:41about
54:41a
54:41minute
54:42to
54:42throw
54:43your
54:43question
54:43at
54:44us
54:44yes
54:47caller
54:48go ahead
54:48you have
54:48about
54:49a
54:49minute
54:49to
54:49throw
54:49a
54:49question
54:50at
54:50us
54:50okay
54:50good
54:51afternoon
54:51Mark
54:51congratulations
54:52to
54:52Mr.
54:53Ali
54:53on your
54:54new appointment
54:54as
54:55director
54:55of
54:55Umband
54:55I
54:56am
54:56confident
54:56that
54:56you'll
54:57do
54:57excellent
54:58in that
54:58position
54:59thank
54:59you
54:59I
54:59just
55:00have
55:00a
55:00quick
55:01suggestion
55:01which
55:02is
55:02concerning
55:02the
55:03prison
55:03service
55:03one
55:04that
55:04I
55:04believe
55:05could
55:05help
55:05reduce
55:06corruption
55:06and enhance
55:06the
55:07protection
55:07of
55:07officers
55:08who
55:08face
55:09trust
55:09in
55:09their
55:09lives
55:09and
55:10the
55:10families
55:10by
55:13use
55:13of
55:13protection
55:16for their
55:16face
55:16so once
55:18you protect
55:18that face
55:19I don't
55:19think
55:19and use
55:20instead of
55:20using names
55:21use numbers
55:21to avoid
55:22these criminals
55:24from actually
55:25trying to
55:26go after
55:27their families
55:27and identify
55:29the person
55:29on that
55:31and I'll
55:31just keep
55:31it
55:31sure
55:31that
55:31you
55:32can
55:32comment
55:32on that
55:32after
55:32time
55:33thanks a lot
55:34caller
55:35thank you
55:35very much
55:35caller
55:36caller
55:36I want
55:36to use
55:37your
55:37opportunity
55:37to
55:38bring
55:38the
55:39curtains
55:39on
55:39on
55:39my
55:39side
55:39and
55:40Hanover
55:40to
55:40Mark
55:40and
55:41this
55:41is
55:41the
55:41thinking
55:42that
55:42I'm
55:42asking
55:42members
55:43of
55:43the
55:43public
55:43now
55:43with
55:43my
55:44new
55:44capacity
55:44do
55:45not
55:45be
55:46afraid
55:46to
55:46engage
55:47me
55:47I
55:48will
55:48provide
55:48the
55:48necessary
55:49engagement
55:50platform
55:52do
55:52not
55:53be
55:53afraid
55:53to
55:54engage
55:54me
55:54especially
55:55with
55:55things
55:55that
55:55can
55:55benefit
55:56our
55:57law
55:57enforcement
55:57agencies
55:58or
55:58can
55:59lead
56:00to
56:00very
56:00important
56:01and
56:01deep
56:02impact
56:03with
56:04reference
56:04to our
56:04youth
56:04and our
56:05communities
56:05so
56:05again
56:06I'm
56:06offering
56:06that
56:07opportunity
56:07for you
56:08all
56:08I want
56:10to
56:10ensure
56:10that I
56:10hold on
56:11to the
56:11hands
56:11of the
56:11persons
56:12who
56:12have
56:12been
56:12crying
56:12out
56:13for
56:13change
56:14looking
56:15at
56:15new
56:15policies
56:16amended
56:16policies
56:17triggering
56:17amendments
56:18to law
56:18new
56:19enactments
56:19as the
56:19case
56:19may be
56:20so
56:20I
56:20just
56:21want
56:21to
56:21give
56:21you
56:21that
56:21assurance
56:21that
56:22I
56:22will
56:22give
56:22my
56:22best
56:22and
56:23look
56:24forward
56:24to
56:24the
56:25engagement
56:25and
56:26Mark
56:26it's
56:28important
56:28for me
56:28to
56:29say
56:29to
56:29your
56:31good
56:31self
56:31and
56:31all
56:31media
56:32houses
56:32that
56:32from
56:34time
56:34to
56:34time
56:34let us
56:35continue
56:35to
56:35remind
56:35the
56:36public
56:36about
56:37the
56:37offenses
56:38that
56:39are
56:39very
56:39important
56:40especially
56:41in
56:41these
56:41times
56:41and
56:42I've
56:42already
56:42identified
56:43some
56:43it
56:43will
56:44hurt
56:44us
56:44every
56:45so
56:45often
56:45in
56:46an
56:46article
56:46to
56:47remind
56:47from
56:48an
56:48educational
56:48context
56:49using
56:50the
56:50media
56:50to
56:50educate
56:51this
56:51platform
56:52and
56:52I
56:52always
56:52make
56:52mention
56:53to
56:53Jackie
56:53that
56:54this
56:54platform
56:54is a
56:55critical
56:55platform
56:55for
56:56sharing
56:56information
56:57and
56:57educating
56:58the
56:58public
56:58if
56:59the
56:59public
56:59can
56:59be
56:59educated
57:00to
57:00avoid
57:01coming
57:01into
57:02contact
57:02with
57:02the
57:02criminal
57:02law
57:03or
57:03even
57:03the
57:03civil
57:04law
57:04from
57:04a
57:04defamation
57:04context
57:05we
57:05have
57:05done
57:06our
57:06job
57:06we
57:06have
57:06done
57:07justice
57:07so
57:08I'm
57:08urging
57:08you
57:08and
57:08all
57:08media
57:09houses
57:09to
57:17an
57:18espionage
57:19and
57:19so
57:19forth
57:19those
57:20are
57:20very
57:20serious
57:21matters
57:21perhaps
57:21I
57:21speak
57:22on
57:22another
57:22occasion
57:23but let
57:23us
57:23be
57:23responsible
57:24and I
57:25want to
57:25thank you
57:25as always
57:26Mark for
57:26the
57:26opportunity
57:26and
57:27Jackie
57:27TV6
57:28and by
57:28extension
57:29the
57:29TTPS
57:29for
57:29allowing
57:30me
57:30to play
57:31this
57:31new
57:31role
57:32that is
57:32within
57:33the
57:33Ministry
57:33of Homeland
57:33Security
57:34and the
57:34Honorable
57:34Minister
57:35of Homeland
57:35Security
57:36I
57:36salute
57:36you
57:36and
57:37you
57:37have
57:37my
57:37full
57:37support
57:38all
57:39right
57:39thank
57:39you
57:39definitely
57:40in
57:40a
57:40geopolitical
57:42climate
57:43is heating
57:43up
57:43and we
57:44want to
57:44be
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57:45in our
57:45reporting
57:45double and
57:46triple check
57:47things
57:47and just
57:48be observant
57:49around you
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