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02:23Welcome to be on the tape and of course to our viewers across Trinidad and Tobago and across the globe as well today's Thursday and
02:32Day 11 of the state of emergency and a familiar face on a Thursday with us. Of course the usual
02:40ESP acting ESP Ishmael Pitt from the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service. Welcome son. Happy New Year. Thank you, Mark
02:47It's always a pleasure to be a happy new year to you as well
02:50Trinidad and Tobago. It's always a pleasure. Yes, so I know, you know, we're in the height of the SOE and it's day 11
02:58Tell us a little bit of anything happening in any area that that you are you are overseeing kind of
03:05Northern division and so on. Yes. Yes, and how it has been in the last couple of days
03:11well, a lot have been happening and
03:13There are so many police operations that have taken place even whilst we speak
03:18We have recorded a tremendous amount of success in terms of persons we have been identifying and targeting
03:25In terms of firearm recovery in terms of that overall restoration of that public trust and confidence in us
03:33It is by no means
03:36Something that
03:37We can do by ourselves and as we will always say we need the buying of the public at large
03:45In some instances there will be some inconvenience
03:48But I can assure that it is to make that
03:53Safety and security that we all would want to see mark as citizens of Trinidad and Tobago
03:58Once again here with us in a in a way that
04:03We cannot say that it is
04:05Compromised we cannot say that that fear of crime has taken over to the extent that we are free to go from point A to
04:11Point B. We are free to live our lives as noise always have to be looking over our shoulders and things like that
04:17So yes, the SOE has placed us in a position and we intend to capitalize on that position in order to achieve our mandate
04:25And of course, there's also the flip side of that
04:28There's some some concerns of course by by the citizenry about how the police conduct their operations
04:34And they know there's that concerning or violation of rights
04:38and I know that the police also has to be cognizant of that and I'm glad that you raised that because
04:46As much as we have been granted additional powers
04:49It is for us now to act
04:51Responsibly and within the confines of the law and so for that reason we are going to hold our officers
04:59accountable we are going to hold our partners accountable regarding how we behave on the outside and
05:06The means that have been established already regarding the complaints authority the
05:12Professional Standards Bureau and even any police station those means are open for persons to make whatever report
05:20They would want to make or address whatever concern regarding the conduct of our officers
05:26Having said that though
05:28We would also ask members of the public to not make it more difficult for us to carry out our duties
05:34We know that in some instances and we cannot bury our heads in the sand mark
05:38There are areas that the police officers would go into where the reception is not always the best
05:43We are entitled to use force. We will use force if it's necessary, but we will not use more force than is necessary
05:50Well, certainly I know I know it can be the US as you say you go on and it's rather challenging
05:56Yes for law enforcement and you will not just police officers
05:59but other other arms of the law enforcement agencies who also accompanying you all on these exercises and
06:05I don't want to be the primary things is the
06:10Proliferation of firearms and I don't know if you could speak a little bit about just in your area
06:15What has that been like in terms of retreating retrieving firearms?
06:19And what types of firearms you all have been been been getting off the streets so far?
06:25Well as is recent as yesterday our intelligence team was able to recover a shotgun and
06:33We are seeing more and more of the heavy arms being recovered by our officers
06:39It tells us or it paints a picture
06:42It tells a story in terms of what actually is in the possession of the of the criminals
06:47We are not going to be dissuaded by that. However, we are going to be guided by that. So mark to answer your question directly
06:54We are seeing more and more heavy arms
06:57we are retrieving more and more heavy arms and
07:00For that reason we are going to continue to take the necessary steps, you know that the preserve our safety while
07:06Retrieving these deadly weapons from off the streets. And of course later on we're gonna take a little more detail look or breakdown rather
07:15of the the figures in terms of firearms
07:18offenders, etc
07:19Across the divisions of Trinidad and Tobago and I know one of the important things as well here is
07:27disrupting gangs and gang activity
07:31definitely
07:32so
07:33Almost all crime type. We are recognizing that
07:37The approach is truly gangs. The gangs have been involving themselves in the varying
07:44Criminal aspects in our country and for that reason we recognize that the targeting of the gang is of paramount importance
07:52We have been having some success where that is concerned
07:55Our officers are much more
07:59Prepared to address that type of criminal activity
08:03and the
08:05support that we have been getting from our partners the DPP office the Forensic Science Center and even internally in terms of a
08:11Cybercrime unit and so on and so forth. It has been tremendous and it is paying dividends
08:17in terms of looking at it though from the
08:21Social aspect we recognize that we cannot address the gang situation just only from a policing lens
08:28We'll be treating with the symptoms
08:30so we have also been looking at it from the perspective of
08:34What really is encouraging our young men and young women to be so attracted to gangs?
08:40and for that reason
08:42We have looked at other persons outside of the police service in order to assist us
08:47with treating with the social issues in a way that we could dissuade our young men and women from
08:53Being part of gangs. All right, we'll continue that discussion. Of course a little later in the program
08:59We're going to take a look now at our headlines
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15:18I know that there are certain legal details
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15:31Maybe we are hopeful now that people will try to use that
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15:39Yeah, well, from a law enforcement perspective,
15:43we always look at it from the lens of consequence.
15:46However, if there's a means by which we can get
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15:56But as was discussed,
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16:08Most certainly.
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18:44Welcome back to Beyond the Chip, I'm your host Mark Bosan,
18:46of course joined today by acting ASP Ishmael Pitt
18:49of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
18:52Reminder of the numbers to call 623-1711,
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19:00So we were just talking about this state of emergency
19:03and of course yesterday the police held a press conference
19:08and DCP Benjamin would have outlined
19:11some of the successes of the SOE thus far.
19:15So let's take a listen.
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19:41I would like to take the opportunity at this time
19:43to just give you a bit of update as it relates to
19:48what we have accomplished thus far
19:51within the state of emergency.
19:53To date, we have accomplished at least 473 operations.
20:02We have also had, in terms of our priority offenders,
20:09we have targeted 503 priority offenders.
20:12We have conducted at least 2,495 searches.
20:18We have done thus far at least 321 traffic operations.
20:24A total of 360 persons has been arrested
20:30and we have detected at least 951 traffic offenses.
20:3622 firearms thus far has been recovered
20:39and around 818 assorted ammunition
20:44has been recovered thus far.
20:46And in terms of dangerous drugs seized,
20:50we have just under 84 kilograms of marijuana
20:57and 592 grams of cocaine.
21:01Ladies and gentlemen, let me say in terms of
21:05the DCP operations, from the information
21:11that I've just read, we recognize that our officers
21:16are outside there and our divisional commanders,
21:19they are at work ensuring that we continue
21:25to have that level of law and order,
21:29that level of safety in our nation.
21:32We want to take the opportunity at this time
21:34to thank all our officers for the level of commitment
21:39that we've seen and we are asking that they continue.
21:43We want to thank even the public for working with us
21:47because some of these successes could not take place
21:52without us working with the public
21:55and therefore we want to continue to admonish the public
21:59to work with us as we seek to deal with the crime situation.
22:06To this point, we are thankful for all
22:09that has been accomplished but nevertheless,
22:11we remain focused in terms of what we want to accomplish
22:16during this state of emergency where we are seeking
22:20to ensure as we seek to bring to justice persons
22:27that are found committing offenses.
22:29We want to at least still work on dismantling
22:33and disrupting the activities of even those
22:37who are bent on breaking the laws.
22:39So thus far, we believe that we have started well.
22:44Nevertheless, we remain focused on the work
22:46that needs to be done.
22:48We have continued our operations.
22:51We have both overt and covert operations taking place
22:54and we are expecting as we continue to intensify
22:59our approach, we are going to have more
23:00and more police visibility out there.
23:03We are assisted by the Triantidigo Defense Force
23:07and we are out there and we're going to be out there
23:10to ensure that level of safety and security
23:13and to continue to also not just work with the citizens
23:19but we want to ensure that we also seek to address
23:23and allay some of the fears that seem to be very much
23:27in the hearts of our citizens.
23:29So again, we are very much grateful
23:32for what we have accomplished and we look forward
23:34for even more as we continue along the SOE at this time.
23:39Thank you very much.
23:44So certainly a lot of work in the last 11 days
23:52seeing the dedication of many of these officers,
23:54some call out and going into some of these areas
23:59during conducting searches, as you said,
24:01overtly and covertly and openly as well.
24:05You know, there's an element, of course,
24:07of risk in some areas where you go
24:09and he also mentioned, you know,
24:11going above and beyond the call of duty
24:14a lot of these officers.
24:16Yes, and indeed it is.
24:20We have been asking our officers to give more.
24:25We have continuously been asking our officers to give more
24:28and we are proud to say that our officers
24:31have been giving more.
24:32And we are seeing the results of it.
24:35And at this stage, we are also asking members of the public
24:39to give us a little more support.
24:41And, you know, there are persons who would be of the view
24:44that the management of crime is a police affair.
24:50And we always say that the management of crime
24:53is everybody's business.
24:55We are employed as an organization
24:58to have it as a full-time focus.
25:01But we live in a society where crime affects everyone.
25:06So that if it is, we have that collaborative effort
25:09that we have continuously been asking for.
25:12We are seeing that we will be able to achieve
25:14the objectives of the organization in the first instance
25:17and achieve that state where the society
25:20could feel proud of itself regarding safety and security.
25:23Yeah, and as you said, you know,
25:25the engagement of the public is extremely important
25:28if we are to have a safer community and a safer society.
25:34Because as Mr. Benjamin pointed out,
25:37DCP Benjamin, he spoke about that element of fear
25:42that a lot of citizens have expressed over the last year.
25:47You know, 624 homicides is not a very flattering figure.
25:51We really don't want to exceed that in this year.
25:55And hopefully we get more than half that this year.
25:59And of course, as you said,
26:01the police are not the only ones that can be instrumental
26:05in having that homicide rate,
26:08but we need the engagement of the citizenry.
26:10Definitely, definitely.
26:12And we have called out to the technocrats
26:16and persons with varying skillsets
26:19because we understand that almost everything impacts crime
26:24and crime impacts almost everything.
26:27So for that reason,
26:28we need to treat it from a holistic perspective.
26:32Yeah.
26:33All right.
26:34I think we have a caller on the line.
26:35Caller, good evening.
26:37Hi, good afternoon, Mark, and good afternoon to Officer Sick.
26:41Good evening, sir.
26:42Officer Sick, in light of the state of emergency
26:44and the laws being drafted in Europe
26:46during some of these criminals and I'm outside there,
26:48in terms of promoters,
26:50now I know for these promoters,
26:53they have to apply for police and fire for their threats.
26:57How are you utilizing the process right now with Extra DT
27:01in this time of the state of emergency
27:04that's taking place right now?
27:05I'd like to hear if you can expand.
27:09And it's a very good point, caller.
27:12We are going heavily into the carnival season
27:17and as citizens and even persons
27:21in the international domain,
27:23our carnival is one that is well celebrated
27:27with that safety and security is of paramount importance.
27:30So it would take a level of management
27:35regarding being able to have
27:36what we'll call operational continuity
27:39and still able to have the necessary staffing
27:42in order to manage these varying events,
27:45FETs, what have you.
27:46But we are confident and satisfied
27:49that we would be in a position to do that.
27:52The members of the defense force
27:54have been providing a tremendous amount of support
27:57and we are seeing now with that level of support,
27:59we would be in a position to utilize our staff
28:02in areas that they are also needed.
28:04Yeah, because it makes a very interesting point
28:05because you know, sometimes criminals
28:08wait for that opportunity.
28:09If there's a huge event and you have in a particular area
28:12and you have to call out 150,
28:15I'll just say a number of officers,
28:17then it leaves the area and other areas
28:21vulnerable to criminal activity.
28:23Of course, the thing with extra duty though
28:25is that extra duty is performed by officers
28:29outside of their normal call for duty,
28:32outside of their roster, outside of their work schedule.
28:35So it would not really impact
28:37in terms of the time that they are for duty.
28:40However, the point is still valid
28:43because we have a concern
28:44in terms of the welfare of the officers,
28:46whether they are getting sufficient rest
28:49because we know that policing is very demanding.
28:52You need to be on top of your game.
28:54You need to be sharp in order to carry out your duties
28:57and in order to carry out your duties professionally.
28:59I'm seeing that as a state of emergency, I guess.
29:01It increases, it increases.
29:03I think that's why you asked the question,
29:04that's why I wanted to kind of underline, you know,
29:07because you have your SOE and you know,
29:09if things push come to shove
29:11and God forbid something major happens
29:13while you're at that event,
29:15they will have to leave the event and respond.
29:17Of course.
29:18As the case may be, you know.
29:19Of course, of course.
29:20So yeah, all right.
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31:04A message from the TTPS.
31:06Welcome back to Beyond the Chief, I'm your host Mark Bassan,
31:20joined today by acting ASP Ishmael Pitt
31:22from the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
31:25And we just wanted to point out something that's very serious
31:28and has been circulating on social media earlier today,
31:33where people purportedly placed an image
31:36of a gentleman leaning against a car outside of a gate,
31:40claiming that this man was a fake TNTEC worker
31:45and to beware of people posing to be TNTEC workers
31:49trying to gain access to your compound.
31:52And the TNTEC, of course, later refuted this claim,
31:55indicating that he was a bonafide employee of TNTEC.
32:01So you have to be careful on social media
32:05before putting up something.
32:06And of course, if you're not certain TNTEC issued this
32:10on their social media pages, call us to be sure.
32:13There's numbers in the central area,
32:15south area, east, northwest and Tobago.
32:20ASP Pitt.
32:22Mark, that situation is one where,
32:26from a policing standpoint,
32:29we would appreciate.
32:31And I'm going to tell you why.
32:32It means to say that persons are becoming
32:35more and more vigilant.
32:36And in their vigilance, they are also passing on information.
32:40We spoke of community policing
32:42and hats off to the TNTEC authorities
32:45in that in answering the call,
32:48they have now placed our citizens in a better position
32:51to utilize a means in order to establish
32:54where persons are bonafide or not.
32:57So it's a win-win, generally speaking.
32:59In this instance, the person in question was legitimate.
33:04It could have very well been that
33:07that person may not have been legitimate.
33:09That person could have been a criminal.
33:11That person may have had ill intentions.
33:13And if that was the case,
33:14it meant that persons would have been aware,
33:17the police would have been aware,
33:18and we were able to intervene in time.
33:20So as much as we will always agree with you
33:25that we ought to be careful
33:26in terms of how we label persons
33:27and how we place information in certain domains,
33:33in terms of the intention,
33:36the intention in itself was very, very good.
33:38And again, hats off to TNTEC for providing that means
33:42in order for persons now to verify
33:44so that they don't have to go away now with wild suspicions.
33:47We can verify that this person is bonafide or not.
33:51All right.
33:52So spotlight on you, Carnival coming up.
33:56Yes, Carnival is coming up.
33:59And we always say that we love to jolly vacate.
34:04We love to have a beverage.
34:06And the reality is nothing is wrong with that.
34:09However, the danger comes in when it is married
34:14with the maneuvering of motor vehicles
34:17from the perspective of being a driver.
34:19And in this regard,
34:21we will always be reaching out to members of the public
34:25in order to practice safe approaches
34:28in order to traverse in our nation's roadways.
34:32And from the other perspective,
34:35if it is that persons are not taken heed,
34:37we are going to ensure that the law takes its natural course.
34:42So protect yourself, is it?
34:43Of course, protect ourselves.
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35:52I want music.
35:53G, are you sure you can drive?
35:56What do you mean?
35:57I'm not tripping the other man.
35:58I'm driving all over.
35:59Oh my God, I'm not sure about this at all.
36:02Oh my God, G.
36:04No, no, no, no, no.
36:05No, no, no, we're not doing this.
36:07No, give me the keys.
36:08No, no, no.
36:09No, listen.
36:10No, listen.
36:11Give me the keys.
36:12Give me the keys.
36:13I'm not driving.
36:14I don't need to be getting into an accident.
36:15Please give me the keys.
36:16No, man.
36:17G, please.
36:18No.
36:19Look what just happened.
36:20We're not doing this.
36:21What happened?
36:22Give me the keys.
36:23What happened just now?
36:24You're frightened or what?
36:25To drive?
36:26You reversed.
36:27Almost hit the car behind.
36:28No, no, no.
36:29No, you have red space behind you.
36:30Have you even seen this man crossing there?
36:31No.
36:32There's nobody in front of me there.
36:33Keys, please.
36:34Come out.
36:35Let's go.
36:36Let's go.
36:37Hey, wind down to this girl.
36:38I'm coming and get you.
36:39Come out.
36:40Yeah.
36:41Yeah.
36:42All right.
36:43All right.
36:44Don't worry yourself.
36:45I won't come out.
36:46All right?
36:47Hey, baby.
36:48The woman tell wind down to the girl.
36:49They said I love the woman.
36:50Sweetie, come along.
36:51Hey.
36:52I didn't know that again.
36:53That party wasn't it?
36:54Oh, boy.
36:55It's a mess right now.
36:56It was.
36:57Really?
36:58Yeah, yeah.
36:59What do you think you're driving now?
37:00What do you think you're driving now?
37:01Yes, please.
37:02We can reach home safely together.
37:03Why?
37:04Why?
37:05Why?
37:06Why?
37:07Why?
37:08Why?
37:09Why?
37:10Why?
37:11Why?
37:12I don't know, but why right now?
37:13Now, hold it, please.
37:20You're frightened out, she asked the lady.
37:23Yeah.
37:24But in all fun and joke, that is a serious thing, you know?
37:27Yeah.
37:28Designate a driver, yes?
37:29Of course.
37:30It is extremely serious.
37:31We have lost too many persons for persons not being able to be responsible.
37:38responsible for persons not standing up and ensuring that people do the right thing.
37:46We often leave it up to the drivers to make the decisions, and that in itself is bad.
37:51Remember, just as crime fighting is everybody's business, road safety is everybody's business.
37:58Yeah?
37:59Yeah.
38:00So that's a paramount importance.
38:01So we want to encourage everybody who's going to all those carnival fests over the next
38:05two months and a bit to designate a driver.
38:09All my friends, if I need a driver, the days that I'm not drinking, I could drive you all,
38:14right?
38:15I'm just saying.
38:16But honestly, though, it's a serious thing because we always tend to see an increase
38:21in accidents and road fatalities between the Christmas season straight down into carnival,
38:28and we really would not like to see a repeat of that.
38:31Of course.
38:32But as much persons as we can reach, we will reach.
38:35We are going to be notified, having our awareness programs, and we are also going to be very
38:41much present.
38:43So we anticipate that persons, regardless of how much outreach programs that we involve
38:52the TTPS and the public in, they are still going to break the law, but we are going to
38:57be there.
38:58So persons will be held to account, and it's not limited, as I said before, to the drivers.
39:04All right.
39:05I think we have a caller on the line.
39:06Caller, good evening.
39:07Yes.
39:08Good afternoon, Mr. Russell, and Officer Pitt.
39:09Good evening, sir.
39:10A wonderful evening.
39:11Officer Pitt, welcome on the 2025 show this afternoon.
39:12Thank you, sir.
39:13What I would like to find out, where the SOE is concerned.
39:14Yes, we don't have a state of emergency.
39:15But it is something that can be done to get the youths off the street, even those who
39:39go to school, or avoid the night, 11, 12 o'clock at night, they are still outside here,
39:46causing problems.
39:47There are people who are sick within houses, and they just don't care what happened.
39:52They don't have parents.
39:53Parents are not responsible for their children anymore.
39:54Yeah.
39:55We didn't grow up that way.
39:56There are certain times they get inside, but today, like, every child let loose.
39:57You know?
39:58I don't know if it's something that's got to be looked into.
40:18Yeah.
40:19Noted.
40:20Noted, caller.
40:21Yeah, that's a very good point that he raised.
40:22And I like how he ended it by mentioning parenting.
40:25Parenting is a serious responsibility.
40:26Yes.
40:27And we have been asking that persons take it to that level of seriousness that it deserves.
40:28And if we are having children all hours of the night outside, we have to consider so
40:29many things that can go wrong.
40:30And a child's supposed to be at, and I'm thinking he's speaking about big children, you know,
40:31preparing to probably go to school the following day, and so on.
40:32They need sufficient rest.
40:33Then they have to go to school.
40:34Then they have to go to school.
40:35Then they have to go to school.
40:36Then they have to go to school.
40:37Then they have to go to school.
40:38Then they have to go to school.
40:39Then they have to go to school.
40:40Then they have to go to school.
40:41Then they have to go to school.
40:42Then they have to go to school.
40:43Then they have to go to school.
40:44Yes.
40:45We still would want heavily that parents, you know, they exercise those levels of guardianship
41:13that impacts the society to the extent that children are groomed as children and they
41:20behave as children, and we don't have our children behaving as adults and involving
41:25themselves in adult activities to the extent that they are even becoming nuisance to persons
41:31within their domain.
41:34So from a policing perspective, if you have recognized that in your community you have
41:39an issue regarding that, you can feel free to contact the police station and the officers
41:46will seek to provide the necessary intervention.
41:48It may not be from a traditional policing lens.
41:51It may mean that we may have to outsource and get our partners on board in terms of
41:56treating with the issue.
41:57All right.
41:58We're going to take more of your calls after this break.
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43:50Quick.
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43:52You will be out of Mvule High before you can pronounce the word scholarship.
43:57We have a mystery to solve.
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44:22Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
44:24I'm your host, Mark Bassan.
44:26Joined today by acting ASP Ishmael Pitt from the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
44:31And we are hoping to hear more from our callers.
44:35Of course, the last caller raising a very pertinent concern as it relates to children
44:42hanging out late at night when they have to go to school the next day.
44:46So I know, as you said, parenting is a big issue.
44:50And this aspect of ensuring that the children are inside at a particular hour
44:54if they know that they're going to school tomorrow.
44:57And of course, then there's the flip side of that, that these children might be unruly.
45:02And mixing with unsavory friends or elements in the community.
45:07Of course.
45:08And going in at whatever hour that they choose.
45:10Yeah.
45:11And the supervision of children, it is outlined in the Children's Act.
45:16So persons ought to be careful in terms of how they exhibit their role.
45:21Because it could have some legal ramifications if you are found wanting.
45:27Our team goes in there, they investigate.
45:29And based on their findings, some persons may have to account
45:33as far as the laws of Trinidad and Tobago are concerned.
45:35Have you all encountered anything similar in nature to what the caller would have discussed
45:42a short while ago in your area?
45:46No, we haven't had reports of that happening in the Northern Division.
45:51No, we haven't had any such reports.
45:56I'm not saying that it may not exist.
45:58You know that even probably in some areas where persons observe
46:03and things like this happen, it could be very well that the community sees it as normal.
46:08Yes.
46:09So what some persons may see as abnormal, some other persons may deem normal.
46:15It depends.
46:16But really and truly, when we look at it in terms of what is best for the child
46:20and what is best for the society, children at a certain time, you know,
46:25you need to be prepared, as we said before, for your studies, for school.
46:31Additionally, in terms of your company, we always say that the devil finds works
46:37for idle hands and so on.
46:39So there are so many things to consider regarding the supervision of our children.
46:44All right, definitely.
46:46We have a call on the line.
46:47Caller, good evening.
46:49A pleasant good afternoon to the panel.
46:52I have a question for ASTP.
46:58And that question is, does the person who rides their bike, peddles their bike,
47:05do they have to observe the laws of the road, like those who are on mopeds
47:10or motorcycles, or they are exempted from the normal laws of the road?
47:16The reason for that is that we were going down a street, it's a one-way,
47:21and we saw a guy peddling coming up.
47:24And, you know, we were just, me and the driver, we were just asking that question
47:29and that was the simple question that came forth.
47:32So, people who ride their bike, are they supposed to follow the rules of the road
47:39or the laws of the road?
47:41So the response to that is yes.
47:44They must adhere to the rules as provided by the Motor Vehicle and Road Traffic Act.
47:49The bicycle is seen as a vehicle.
47:51It is defined as a vehicle as well.
47:53So the straight answer is yes.
47:56Well, that's interesting because I didn't know that.
47:59I would expect a motorbike, but I didn't know for somebody who's just cycling up a one-way.
48:07And interestingly enough, whilst on our way to here,
48:11the officer and I were speaking about persons riding bicycles against the flow of traffic
48:19and the legality or illegality of it.
48:22So it is in breach of the MV&RT Act.
48:26And yes, persons can be dealt with according to law.
48:31All right. I learned something today.
48:33Yes.
48:34All right. I think we have another call on the line. Call her. Good evening.
48:37Hello. Good evening.
48:38Good evening, ma'am.
48:39Happy New Year to all of you.
48:41Happy New Year, ma'am.
48:42And a safe 2025 to all of you.
48:44Officer Pitt.
48:45Yes, ma'am.
48:46If somebody sees somebody walking down the street with a gun after 10 in the night,
48:52what should that person do?
48:53Because I understand more than one person.
48:55The person who's walking down, cool, cool, cool, like if it's a handbag, they have in their handbag,
49:00with a gun walking down the street.
49:02What that person should do?
49:04That person should take immediate evasive action and notify the police.
49:10Yes.
49:11Because there's so many police.
49:13The persons of all this.
49:14All right. Continue the FOE now.
49:17Now, I see where they have freed some guns, either, and they put them on a house arrest or something.
49:23What happens when everything is finished?
49:25Can he come and sue somebody for something that, you know, that he didn't do?
49:31Because I want to know what strategies you're using this time to prevent a repetition of what took place in 2011
49:39when they come and they got so much money.
49:42That's one point.
49:43Now, concerning the polygraph test.
49:47It is bad because if someone is, you know, trying to get a job and they go to have a polygraph test done
49:55and they fail the polygraph test and they said they're not sure if it's, you know, if it's not working properly,
50:03the polygraph test is not really sure whether it's correct then.
50:08That is putting the person at a disadvantage.
50:10And who is the person responsible to make sure that the polygraph test is working effectively?
50:18That's my other point.
50:19My last point is, now, you see these jail blasts as well?
50:27All right. I think we lost the caller there, but go ahead. Yes, please.
50:32Right. So, that's an interesting point that you raise.
50:35What are we doing different in terms of the SOE before?
50:41I will start by saying the organization that is ATTPS, we are continuously learning.
50:48And we have had a tremendous amount of meetings in order to define our approach to the SOE,
50:58taking into account the laws of Trinidad and Tobago, our approaches,
51:03and the fact that persons will always have the right to have issues addressed at a judicial level.
51:12So, for that reason, our legal officers have been working overtime, so to speak,
51:20and we are satisfied that at this point in time, the advice that we have been getting is sufficient
51:25in order for us not only to protect the society, but to protect society's purse going forward.
51:34You know, there will always be gray areas, so nothing is foolproof.
51:38But once we act in alignment and in accordance with the laws of Trinidad and Tobago,
51:44as agents of the state, you know, it's a case of allowing the court to do what the court may have to do.
51:51Because it could very well be that, in some instances, officers have done all that they are supposed to do,
51:58all in accordance with the law, and someone else down the road may find some issue with it.
52:03But as we say, we have to do what policing offers, and the persons who have responsibility for judicial oversight,
52:14they have their job to do, so to speak.
52:16It doesn't mean to say that we are just going to go out there and do things in a manner that could compromise the public's purse.
52:25As I said before, we have had a tremendous amount of meetings.
52:28On the issue of polygraph, the polygraph unit is a unit that receives continuous training
52:38regarding how to utilize that whole aspect.
52:42It is of paramount importance to persons who are seeking to become police officers,
52:47and also persons within the organization who may go from one space to the other.
52:52And at this point in time, given the law, the commissioner also has an additional authority to utilize the polygraph in different instances.
53:00So she asks the question as to whose responsibility it is to ensure that the polygraph machine is working.
53:06Those persons who are certified as legitimate persons to operate the machinery
53:12are also responsible for ensuring that the machine is calibrated,
53:17and the necessary checks and balances that goes with that takes place.
53:23So it may be in some instances that persons who may have failed the polygraph
53:28may want to suggest that the machine in itself may have failed.
53:34We are saying that nothing is foolproof,
53:37but we are very confident that the persons who are responsible for the management of that,
53:44they have the necessary training in order to ensure that as far as possible,
53:50the best approach and the best result is what we'll be relying on.
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55:45Welcome back to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host Mark Bassan,
55:47joined today by acting ASP Ishmael Pitt from the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
55:51We just have a couple of minutes left, of course, and any parting words for the citizens?
55:56Yes. So again, we are in a period of state of emergency.
56:00We are going to see an increased police presence.
56:03We would always try to minimize that level of inconvenience that persons may encounter.
56:09However, at times it would be necessary in terms of that parenting issue,
56:14one that persons have a full understanding as to the importance, the significance,
56:20and the demands of parenting so that we don't allow our children to go down the path of destruction
56:28and also carry a community with them.
56:32Additionally, in terms of road safety, road safety is everybody's business.
56:38We know that Carnival is here, more or less, and we would ask our motor and public to exercise that level of responsibility.
56:47We are not only speaking about DUI, driving while under the influence.
56:52We are also looking at all the other safety issues in terms of exceeding the speed limit,
56:57ensuring that you wear your seatbelt, speaking on your cell phone or utilizing a device while driving.
57:03There are so many, and we often think that they are just there to probably be a revenue-generating sort of approach,
57:11but no, they are there for our safety.
57:13Great. So I hope that everybody who was listening will pay heed to some of the advice that Acting ASP Pip shared here today,
57:21and we ask you to stay safe on the roadways and, of course, stay safe overall.
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