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00:44:56The officers are engaging in the communities, and we'll touch on that.
00:45:01We have a caller on the line.
00:45:04Oh, okay, I thought we had a caller, but you could call us at 623-1711, extension 1992, 1993, and 1997.
00:45:12Now, something that stood out to me where you spoke about a bat and a ball.
00:45:16Yes.
00:45:17When you were speaking to one of the members in the community there.
00:45:20Yes.
00:45:22And how important it is in your opinion, because in my mind, I think it would be amazing to bring more persons together,
00:45:28because sport is something that brings, even if you can't play it, it brings the community together just to witness, participate, cheering on as a spectator.
00:45:38Yeah.
00:45:39Are you all using that also to help you in the engagement with persons in your community through sports?
00:45:45Yes, we are using sports.
00:45:47It is more exhibited at the youth club level, and we are seeing the need for it to be exercised even at the level of the police officers within the station.
00:45:58There should be resident police officers engaging the residents in that type of sporting activities, be it cricket, football, you know, what have you.
00:46:09So you have this type of friendly encounters, you know, where persons probably could show off their skills, their talent.
00:46:17They might, probably might be victorious over the police, and there might be some sense of…
00:46:23He said might, you know, he said might.
00:46:26Some sense of…
00:46:27Some of the sporting engagements happening before you all won.
00:46:30If it's what?
00:46:31I said some of the sporting engagements you all had before the TTPS won from the division.
00:46:35Yeah, we…
00:46:36Because clearly he's saying might, so that means you all won before.
00:46:38Might, because we are competitive, and we know that there are persons within the community who would be just as competitive.
00:46:44Yes.
00:46:45Yes, but it would augur well.
00:46:46It would augur well, definitely, for us to see each other outside of that type of work environment, strict policing community type of…
00:46:56The traditional engagement, as it were, and, you know, really blend that…
00:47:02Those type of energies in an environment where it can explode into something positive.
00:47:09You can imagine a score goal against the police officers, and yeah, you know.
00:47:13Yeah, it feels good.
00:47:14It feels good, right?
00:47:15Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:47:16Wheezy boss kind of thing.
00:47:17We are the boss, and we feel them all.
00:47:19Wheezy boss, right?
00:47:20Yeah, but they can break the ice there with many persons who may have a better taste about the officers in their community, you know.
00:47:25Absolutely, because they can see now that police officers are human beings.
00:47:30Yeah.
00:47:31There's a human side to us, and it's not just about us wanting…
00:47:34Because there's a common feeling of people being oppressed, people being looked down upon, people not being treated with that level of respect,
00:47:43and it would work well for our officers as well to see people as people, to treat persons as people,
00:47:49to know that the same way we want persons to look at us in a particular way, we need to look at persons in a particular way as well.
00:47:55So that level of respect could be across the board, and you know, it could work wonders.
00:48:00Beautiful.
00:48:01We have a call on the line.
00:48:02Let's take that call.
00:48:03Hello.
00:48:04Good afternoon.
00:48:05Hello.
00:48:06Good afternoon.
00:48:07I would like to be on the tape, please.
00:48:09You're live, ma'am.
00:48:10You're live.
00:48:11Okay, thank you.
00:48:12Good afternoon, ma'am.
00:48:13Okay.
00:48:14So I can understand what the officers say, that they are more engaged.
00:48:18A relative of mine had a crime of someone getting into their home and breaking into their home and taking their property, their gas tank or whatever.
00:48:34So he went to the police station.
00:48:36We were kind of not having trust in the officers at the ARIN station and CCPS on the whole,
00:48:44but I want to commend the officer on seeing this, knowing that this is interaction when the police are now engaging.
00:48:53The police went to the home, and they followed up on it, and that is the police from the ARIN station,
00:49:02and I understand them very much.
00:49:04They followed up on that crime, and they went back again another night, and they spoke to the person that was the victim.
00:49:17So I can see what he is saying by they are trying to be more engaging and responsive, and I must commend him.
00:49:26And we are trusting that the police become more, we can rely on the police officers for some relief of this criminal activity that is escalating in the country.
00:49:37Thank you very much.
00:49:38Thank you, ma'am.
00:49:39Thank you, ma'am.
00:49:40See, so that's the opportunity there where persons could also feel free to speak on some of the engagements you had with officers,
00:49:51and ones that are positive, because I think when we hear more of that, it will boost the morale of the officers knowing that it's not going in vain.
00:50:00It's not going in vain, absolutely.
00:50:01Because it's definitely not, I know sometimes a thank you goes a long way.
00:50:04Of course, of course, and we welcome the feedback.
00:50:07And of course we'll feel good about the positive feedback, you know, and we can also work with the negative feedback because it will tell us exactly where we have to improve.
00:50:16Yes.
00:50:17So that was important.
00:50:18So, ma'am, thank you very much for your feedback, and definitely hats off to the officers at IRINN, and we would, you know, ask that they continue to keep the flag flying.
00:50:26Yeah, very high.
00:50:27Yes.
00:50:28Now, something that we have to touch on quickly here is the incident that happened with the minister.
00:50:35Now, you don't have full details on it.
00:50:37We're not touching like that.
00:50:39I'm speaking of suspects were held.
00:50:41Yes.
00:50:42Suspects, they weren't charged thus far, but persons were held.
00:50:46And, you know, the talk on the street is always because of whoever's sitting in the position.
00:50:51It's not the person, the position.
00:50:53Let's make it clear.
00:50:54It could be Tom Harry in the same position where the minister is.
00:50:58Yeah.
00:50:59It's just the position.
00:51:00And the actions in which officers move so swiftly to engage, try to get the information.
00:51:09We also saw the DCP.
00:51:11She came out, and she made a statement saying they're going 400, making sure we find who did this.
00:51:18But when it's a normal citizen, we don't hear the same or get the same energy.
00:51:25So, you're saying that that's the perception?
00:51:28Yeah, of the people.
00:51:29That's what they're saying.
00:51:30Yes, yes, yes.
00:51:31You know, and that's how they feel.
00:51:32Yeah.
00:51:33Now, remember, this is a public figure.
00:51:34Of course, of course.
00:51:35So, the public figure has a certain amount of spotlight that will be on, and I said it's the position.
00:51:41So, even if he is no longer there and someone else is in that position, it happened to them, it will be, you know, on them.
00:51:47But I'm saying this to say it will be public knowledge because they're fully prisoners.
00:51:53Yes, yes.
00:51:54But the action is, I think it's not so much a prisoner, it's the action of the TTPS.
00:51:58The swift action, let me add a word.
00:52:02Add the word swift.
00:52:03Yes.
00:52:04The swift action that was brought forth from members of the TTPS, even the heads.
00:52:12Yeah.
00:52:13The uproar, the outrage, and the next day, suspects held with a vehicle.
00:52:20Yeah.
00:52:21So, it's good work on behalf of the police, and I understand what you're saying.
00:52:25Is it selectors?
00:52:26Yeah, well.
00:52:28No, no, no, but it's a question that the average man would want to get answered because the average man would want to know that if he or she is similar in circumstance, that he will get a similar type response.
00:52:44And the reality is you ought to get a similar type response.
00:52:50We know that there are persons who would be saying that that may not be a reality.
00:52:55But there are persons right now who are sitting watching this program who can come out and say, hear what?
00:53:01Even before I was able to recognize that my vehicle was stolen, even before I was able to recognize that my house was broken into, the police officers already had suspects, and they already recovered my vehicle.
00:53:14There are instances of that where the officers were able to respond so quickly.
00:53:19So, that is in one instance.
00:53:23Looking at it from another lens, any part of the world you go on, this is not about making excuses.
00:53:28This is about being practical.
00:53:29Any part of the world you go, there's a particular way that a society would respond to persons in authority in a particular way.
00:53:39We may see it as the average man and woman as we may be, that we would want that level of activity or that level of response, that level of support to be across the board.
00:53:53But the reality is, if it is that something happens to persons who hold a particular office, we can't get away from the fact that the reporting on this incident will be the spotlight to the extent that persons will be saying, this is what happened so quickly.
00:54:11Because they will keep it alive.
00:54:12The media will keep it alive.
00:54:13They will keep it alive.
00:54:14So, it's not to say that if something happens with somebody else that the media will keep it alive because it may come mundane, somebody got their house broken into, but the media won't really follow that.
00:54:25But something like this, obviously the media will follow it and they will follow the police response.
00:54:29We have a call. Let's take that call quickly before we have to debrief.
00:54:31Hello, good afternoon.
00:54:36Afternoon, sir.
00:54:37Afternoon.
00:54:38I want to make one comment today.
00:54:43I saw something being posted on the social media with respect to offences that it can be flogged for.
00:54:53These are about four or five offences.
00:54:57Can you give us a little bit more light on that because, you see, I am looking at how much things were put in place to start this criminal activity in the country.
00:55:07Sir, before you go quickly, you said four offences?
00:55:10Yes, about four offences.
00:55:12I think one is gun related, one is rape, and any offence in the shape of an object.
00:55:21All right.
00:55:24That it can be flogged for, you said?
00:55:26I believe so.
00:55:27Okay.
00:55:28We will respond to that after the break.
00:55:30We'll be back.
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00:57:54And we are back and we have entered our final segment this afternoon.
00:57:57We give you the opportunity, as usual, acting as people to speak to the public
00:58:02and let them know some of the things we could do better and also be aware of.
00:58:07Yes, but I would want to respond to the caller first.
00:58:10So he spoke about three offenses,
00:58:12and I'm thinking that he's speaking about corporal punishment.
00:58:16And yes, it may be on the law books still,
00:58:20but we haven't heard of persons being sentenced
00:58:25to having some flogging in a long while.
00:58:28So I don't know if it is that it is just not being exercised
00:58:34because of the changing times or what have you.
00:58:37But we'll do our research and I'll get back to you, caller, regarding that.
00:58:41Because at this point in time, I'm not fully appraised
00:58:44as to the treating with those type of issues.
00:58:48But you are confident it will be the judiciary, whoever says so.
00:58:53Yes, so it's just a similar sentence.
00:58:57It's a hard labor or someone could be sentenced to death.
00:59:00There are instances in the past where persons,
00:59:03it catered for in law,
00:59:05where you were flogged as a matter of your sentence.
00:59:10You would have been carried out of the prison.
00:59:13And that was part of the punishment.
00:59:17I got out in secondary school. It changed my life.
00:59:21It did, I'm not lying.
00:59:23In Providence, the nuns had to put up my hand.
00:59:26I was talking too much.
00:59:28Put one hand behind my back and the other one out.
00:59:31Shout out to Sister Philip.
00:59:33Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:59:35I can relate to that.
00:59:36Changed my life.
00:59:37I can relate.
00:59:38But we know we are in a society now, in a world,
00:59:41and the world continues to change.
00:59:43And I guess institutions continue to change.
00:59:46The way we treat with things continue to change.
00:59:50Based on that, there are things that we don't do anymore.
00:59:56We are in the rainy season.
00:59:58We want to leave on a note of urging our population,
01:00:03our motoring population,
01:00:05and even persons who are not drivers of motor vehicle,
01:00:08to be road safe.
01:00:10Road safety is everybody's business.
01:00:13And for that reason, we would ask persons to be vigilant.
01:00:16And not only because you are a driver,
01:00:20but you might be sitting in a vehicle
01:00:22and you might observe that a driver is not doing
01:00:25what he or she is supposed to do.
01:00:27At that point in time, please take action.
01:00:29There are persons who are bold enough to come out and say,
01:00:32driver, you are doing X, Y, Z, and we are not accepting that.
01:00:35If you are not so bold, then you can always make a call
01:00:38so that the police can intervene.
01:00:40But can a driver put you out of their vehicle
01:00:42if you are letting them know they are driving recklessly?
01:00:45So the situation with a taxi,
01:00:47if a taxi driver does that,
01:00:49that is a kind of breach in terms of the contract.
01:00:54Because you are contracted to take me from point A to point B.
01:00:57And not because I am raising a concern
01:01:01that you are now entitled to put me out.
01:01:04It might be your vehicle, you are maintaining it,
01:01:06but it's a public service vehicle.
01:01:08So I'm seeing some issues there
01:01:11where the person could have some type of redress.
01:01:14So the driver needs to justify
01:01:16as to why you put somebody out of their vehicle
01:01:18for exercising their right to tell you,
01:01:21you know what, what you are doing there is wrong.
01:01:23Yes?
01:01:24A breach of the law.
01:01:25Yes.
01:01:26So, you know, basic things.
01:01:28And we commonly see that these basic things
01:01:30that we deem as revenue-driven activities
01:01:40are in the first instance for your safety.
01:01:44If we don't do X, Y, Z, as you indicated,
01:01:47then the state won't get your money.
01:01:50So long and short, please do the right thing,
01:01:52wear your seatbelt, don't drink and drive,
01:01:54and we'll be in your sights.
01:01:56We'd like to thank Acting ASC for being here
01:01:58with us representing the Northern North Division.
01:02:00We'll be back tomorrow at 4.45.
01:02:02News coming up next.
01:02:03And let's go TKR later.
01:02:05TMT, I want you to remember to be pure and just
01:02:07and have God in your life no matter what.
01:02:09We're out.
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