00:00If you say confident four times in a 16-second clip, people think you mean the opposite.
00:07That you're overcompensating with the word confident.
00:10Oh, that was your takeaway on that.
00:11Oh, yeah.
00:12The last confident was the one that caught my ear in the press conference.
00:15Is that what it was?
00:15It's funny because, again, you could have played that clip talking about the offensive line
00:18or him talking about basically anything.
00:20And in that press conference, he's done the thing that he's consistently done,
00:23which is try to tell everybody how awesome he thinks this team is 24-7.
00:28And the only end result out of this is either he's right, sees it all before everybody else,
00:33or the alternative, if this team stinks, nobody's ever going to take a word he says seriously
00:37when it comes to, I think this is awesome.
00:39I don't think people are going to remember it four months from now.
00:41He just does so much of it.
00:43It's a constant theme for him is going back and telling everybody how great he thinks Deshaun Watson is,
00:47how great he thinks this offensive line is that you just heard, how the practice is.
00:50He'd be so surprised if these practices, what was going on there didn't translate to the field.
00:55Like, he is a constant 24-7, this-is-going-to-work machine.
01:00And if nobody else remembers it, I certainly will.
01:03Okay, listen.
01:03One, I think that's just his style.
01:05And I think it might be an extension of how he actually coaches, and I love those guys.
01:11I love coaches who don't coach with fear.
01:14Urban Meyer actually had a great quote about why he thinks his career ended with all the health issues
01:19and the do-do-do-do and all that.
01:20And he talked about coaching with fear as opposed to coaching with love.
01:24So the idea that you believe in your team, then, is that where the fear dissipates?
01:28Yeah, no, you coach with love.
01:30And I think Todd Munkin is loving up a young team, and I think there's some understanding
01:36of what kind of team he has and how they're going to respond.
01:39I think you treat a veteran team and a very young team differently.
01:44I think one of the things that actually hurt Kevin Stefanski, certainly on offense, was
01:50that I don't think Kevin realized how close that team was to sliding into a black hole,
01:56whether it was a quarterback or any other spot.
01:59And I think he coached him like a veteran team.
02:01And you had a lot of young guys who are inexperienced guys who are not very good guys.
02:05There's a lot of tactics you can take.
02:06But if this team ends up being hogwashed, then four months from now, I am going to sit there
02:10and be like, wait, how did you misread this this badly?
02:13Or are we just going to all have the result of he did what he had to do?
02:16Yeah, at some point, though, again, we are the, although you are the truth broker, we
02:21are the show that says they don't tell you the truth 100% of the time.
02:24No organization does.
02:26If he's lying, not lying, but if he's embellishing.
02:29That's what this would be.
02:30This would be just straight up lying.
02:31If he's embellishing in the name of believing in his guys, I think that's a worthwhile embellishment.
02:37I really do.
02:38I don't think this is a lie.
02:39That doesn't strike me as a lie.
02:41Lying is, I'm not even going to go there.
02:44I was going to give plenty of examples.
02:45I don't need to because I'm taking the high road today.
02:47That's what people know about Nick Wilson.
02:49He's taking the high road today.
02:50But my point is, what was my point?
02:53You're taking the high road.
02:54I'm taking the high road.
02:55You're a high road guy today.
02:56No, I do think, like, I think he means it.
02:58I think he means it when he says it.
03:00And so, and by the way, four months from now.
03:03I think he means it, too.
03:04That's the other part of this.
03:05I genuinely do think he means it.
03:07I just say, coming from Baltimore and that team that was as stacked as it was, if you're
03:11saying these type of things about these practices and how they're going, then it gives people
03:15a lot of confidence that he's got.
03:18Huh?
03:18Where and whom?
03:19Who are these people with the confidence ahead of this game?
03:21Might be you.
03:22Might be Ken.
03:23What do you mean?
03:23Who's it giving confidence to?
03:24Todd Munkett's saying it is not why I'm confident about this team.
03:28Oh, okay.
03:30That's that you isolated you.
03:32Yes.
03:33Sure.
03:33But you're telling me there's people that don't listen to that and think that man coached
03:36in Baltimore and knows what a good practice looks like.
03:39He consistently tells us that this team is practicing at an elite level with elite traits.
03:44All right.
03:44This gets you a little excited.
03:46I'm just being truth talking about myself.
03:47Like when I hear him talk, I have to constantly check myself because I'm like, wow, he really
03:52sounds, he really sounds like he has this all put together.
03:54Isn't that about hearing Kevin Stefanski say nothing into a microphone for six years?
03:58I just, I don't know.
04:00I want to weaponize positivity against Todd Munkett if the Browns end up being a five-win
04:04team and you think they're going to be a six-win team.
04:05It's not weaponizing it.
04:06It's just when you keep saying how great they are and you keep it, that's the well that
04:09you go to four months from now.
04:10If they're not great, then I just, we just got to clock that and say that for what that
04:13is.
04:14I just think four months from now, I think this is where, like you've teased me about
04:18my putting him on the table, eight, nine, eight, nine record, uh, really going out there
04:22on a limb that nobody's also teased you about a massive defense of Todd Munkett you consistently
04:25have.
04:26And I feel like that's showcasing right now.
04:28No, I'm just simply saying, I think you're be, you're nitpicking him.
04:31I think you're picking nits here with, uh, with him, with him, with him, maybe a little
04:35bit.
04:35Yeah.
04:35Maybe a little bit.
04:36It's just like, it seems like every press conference is exactly the same with him.
04:39Everything is awesome.
04:40Everything is great.
04:41This team is that this team is that.
04:42Well, all right, let's see it on the field then.
04:43Like, if it's that great, then let's see it on the field.
04:46That's, that's, that's all I'm asking.
04:47We'll, we'll wait and find out.
04:48So with that, yeah, with that, you tease me about being too positive at eight, nine, uh,
04:54and your, your point and it's an astute point.
04:57First off, I don't even tease you.
04:57I don't even tease you about being a two positive at eight, nine.
05:00I make the suggestion that if you were actually positive, you'd go higher than eight, nine.
05:05All right.
05:06So you, you, uh, you needle me about, uh, being a nine say, Oh, the Browns are going to win.
05:11How bold of you.
05:12No one's going to be mad at you at the end of the season.
05:14If you're wrong, no one will be mad at you.
05:15There's a very similar situation going on here with Todd Munkin.
05:18If Todd Munkin is wrong and they're a three win team, we will immediately switch gears
05:23to excitement about the number one pick or number two pick and what quarterback we're
05:26going to take.
05:27A hundred percent.
05:27Right.
05:27Yes.
05:28You're right.
05:28The idea that if Todd Munkin four months from now is absolutely unequivocally wrong about
05:33how he speaks about this team, people will turn around and they'll still want this same
05:36type of energy from them.
05:37And they'll still take it as, okay, great.
05:39You do what you got to do.
05:41I just won't.
05:42How much of a learning curve for Todd Munkin is this weekend?
05:45By the way, Ben Solak saying that the Browns Jags watchability this weekend, Ben's an aura
05:51farmer.
05:51We like Ben.
05:52We were a big fan of him.
05:54He says the watchability is at a 5.3.
05:57Now, if you don't know the watchability scale, that's not good.
06:01I would say that's darn near unwatchable.
06:05And the funny thing is, I understand, I'm going to have to watch Deshaun Watson on Sunday.
06:11That's going to ding the watchability.
06:12There's a lot of unknown with the Browns.
06:15And I think people tend to skew negative if it's the Browns and there's unknown.
06:20A lot of other teams, if it's unknown, there's a real Peterland pass that you get week one,
06:25just not this Browns team or this Browns organization.
06:28Well, it's the same way I ask you, how do you think about the Jets?
06:30Do you want to turn the Jets on right now?
06:32One, I like the word play.
06:34No.
06:35You don't.
06:35You don't.
06:35Do you want to turn the Cardinals on right now?
06:37No, I don't think.
06:38Well, see, this is where I don't.
06:39I think the Browns are in a class ahead of those two teams.
06:42And the NFL world disagrees, though.
06:44That's the difference.
06:45And I can't wait for those bastards to be wrong.
06:47The NFL world right now groups have been in the class with Dolphins,
06:49Cardinals, Jets, and us.
06:51That's the class that we're in.
06:52If you want to throw the Titans in there, you can throw the Titans in there.
06:54But the collective NFL world treats us as in that class.
06:59And even if the step above is not a great class to be in,
07:01now all of a sudden we're in Falcons territory.
07:04Like, it's like it's – we're just not in a respected class of people
07:07being interested in what we're doing.
07:08Now, what I'm torn on here is that, one, week one football can be a bit of a
07:15defensive slugfest and the offense can be a little bad week one.
07:21But also, I kind of think there's a lot of, like, really interesting players
07:26on both teams here.
07:27So, I actually think it is going to be more watchable than Ben Solak
07:31or a farmer thinks it's going to be.
07:33Yeah, I mean, we spend every day talking about this team.
07:36Like, you and I and the listeners are going to have a massive amount of
07:38what do we find out.
07:39I think it's – for ourselves, it's going to be closer to, like, Lindsay
07:42when she joined us yesterday from Sumer Sports, where she's talking about
07:45all the different mystery boxes that we get to find out and check off
07:48and really unearth within this team.
07:52Ben doesn't have to really care about that.
07:54That's the difference.
07:55Like, the national person or the person watching in Kansas, let's say,
07:59they don't have to care about whether or not Concepcion looks good
08:02in his day one game.
08:03They don't have to care if Jared Vers is working out the same way.
08:06They have a lot of other storylines to care about.
08:07Yeah, but I think the difference is Casey Concepcion's talent is something
08:11that I think is – again, like, it's not like – even – oh, so I'm not
08:14the biggest fan with the trio of wide receivers from the Jaguars
08:19because Brian Thomas was not as good last year.
08:22You can say he was bad at points.
08:24He's on the trade block for a full year.
08:26Parker Washington had a really nice end of the season.
08:29You've got to do it for, you know, 17 games.
08:32And even Travis Hunter, I think, is going to play, like, 90% cornerback,
08:36maybe 10% wide receiver.
08:38Jacoby Myers is rounding out the trio.
08:40They don't even put Travis Hunter in there.
08:41Jacoby Myers, I think, is a really nice possession receiver.
08:44None of those things to me are incredible – meaning, like, oh,
08:48I have to watch those.
08:50But I understand the upside of each one of those players and the playmaking
08:52ability of Parker Washington, I think, is kind of can't miss kind of stuff.
08:57Oh, Parker Washington's can't miss stuff.
08:59I think he's a really electric player.
09:01He's a lot of fun to watch.
09:01Think about how many different wide receivers are falling into that category.
09:04If we're just basing it off that.
09:05Like, we brought the Jets in the equation.
09:06You can make an argument Garrett Wilson is way more much watch
09:09than Parker Washington is.
09:11Just listen.
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