00:00If I set the bar at functional, NFL-level quarterback to Deshaun tomorrow for the Bears,
00:06am I setting it too high?
00:07I mean, it's higher than mine.
00:09Yours is?
00:10Oh, I don't think he's going to look good at all.
00:12Whatever that level is for you, I'm going to say below NFL starter.
00:16Is that what yours is at?
00:17You'd set the bar at bad.
00:19I'm going to set the bar at embarrassing is what I'm setting the bar at.
00:21I think it's going to look real bad.
00:23Yeah.
00:23And this is against twos as well, by the way.
00:26This is not supposed to be the hardest putt that he ever has in his life.
00:30I think it's going to – I think what we saw last Tuesday where it was unplayable,
00:34I think that's what we're prepared for tomorrow.
00:35Like, if you can't – honestly, we should probably actually set it to light him up.
00:39If you can't light up the Bears twos, that's a real concern.
00:44The only way he lights it up is if, again, it's like a seven-yard pass
00:47and then Denzel Boston does all the work.
00:50That's fine.
00:50That'll be lighting it up.
00:51If we have a lot of those – no, he himself isn't doing the lighting up.
00:54It's the players around him that would be doing the lighting up.
00:57But that's how it's set up.
00:58If that's how it's supposed to be, then that would be lighting it up.
01:00There's a world that exists where that's the reality of it.
01:03And I saw this, by the way, with Drew Aller last night.
01:05Drew Aller got 153 yards, three total touchdowns.
01:08People lost their minds.
01:09Medina's own.
01:10The one play was like an 80-yard play that the receiver did all the work on it.
01:14It was a crossing route that went six yards,
01:16and then the receiver did all the work and went to the two-yard line,
01:20and then it's Drew Aller, 153, three touchdowns, awesome day.
01:24And it's like, all right.
01:25And then he legitimately did make good throws outside of that one.
01:27I'll give Drew his credit.
01:28I'm not trying to slap that down.
01:29But if tomorrow for Deshaun, it's just a lot of bubble screens
01:36where Concepcion keeps going after the fact,
01:39and Denzel and all these guys are the ones doing the work,
01:41then okay, fine.
01:42But I'll know what that is.
01:43I think my concern is we are very easy to take away credit for players, right?
01:49He's not execute.
01:50But I think my point is we're very easy to be like,
01:52well, that was a seven-yard pass, and then the receiver did 80 yards of it.
01:56Because with quarterbacks, Nick, you're constantly wondering,
01:58are you winning?
01:59This is a Coach Riz thing.
02:01Are you winning because of the quarterback,
02:03or are you winning with the quarterback?
02:05But the problem is we don't give the player credit.
02:09In fact, I'll give you, for instance,
02:10the Amari Cooper touchdown against the Raiders
02:13that was called back for, I think, holding?
02:16It was some penalty I didn't love in the moment.
02:19But if you put that touchdown,
02:22it was a great throw by Deshaun Watson.
02:24If you put that touchdown, a good play by Amari too,
02:27if you put that touchdown,
02:29and I think it was like a 70-yard touchdown or something like that,
02:31on the stat line for Deshaun,
02:33it looks, it's his best day as a Brown outside of like one other play.
02:38It's a top three performance.
02:39He never got credit for that.
02:41Dustin and I actually had a knockdown dragout argument
02:43because I was like, if you put the Amari play in there,
02:47he looked really good on Sunday.
02:49And so we take away this credit very easily for players.
02:53Oh, the receiver did that.
02:55But we don't give him credit for a play that fell apart
02:57for no part of his own reason.
02:59Well, we haven't played the game yet.
03:01I don't know if we have any of those plays to offset with.
03:03I can't proactively give him plays to offset the idea
03:09that he's going to get some yards off of Concepcion doing a lot of work.
03:12I think my point is a good play is a good play.
03:14If you're on the field and it results in a touchdown,
03:18I got to give you credit for it
03:19because if a good play where you make the best play of your career
03:24and it falls apart, no one's going to give you credit for that.
03:27I think what we're arguing is the reason why they've created
03:29so many advanced stats in quarterback in the NFL world
03:32is because of what we are describing right now
03:35is legitimately the Sumer sports world
03:39creating all these different advanced algorithms
03:41to offset the idea that, oh, people just look at passer rating
03:45and see whether or not you threw for a lot of yards
03:47and who actually gets credit for these yards and who doesn't.
03:49Yeah, can we agree there's too many stats, though?
03:51There's a lot of stats.
03:52Can we streamline it?
03:52I know, there's a lot right now.
03:53I feel like baseball's the same way.
03:54Can all the nerds and traditionalists,
03:57everybody gets to pick like three stats each.
03:59They tried.
04:00The problem that the NFL has is they tried
04:02and then they all settled on EPA
04:04and EPA is incredibly flawed, in my opinion.
04:07And why is that?
04:08Because EPA sets for down and distance
04:09and starts as if you only get credit for each play
04:12on an individual basis and goes 10-yard increments
04:14and works off of that.
04:17And I just feel like it's just incredibly flawed.
04:19It's just not how I would operate
04:20with trying to figure out the best way to figure out
04:22whether or not a quarterback's having a good day or a bad day.
04:24I wouldn't reset it every single time
04:26and then say positive play, non-positive play,
04:28and also have it skewed for what is a positive and negative play.
04:32I would just do it differently.
04:33I feel like we've got to get you in the room
04:35with those Sumer sports people.
04:36Now, those are football-knowing nerds.
04:38That's not like a fangraph thing.
04:40Let me get my T-line.
04:42Fangraphs?
04:43They have their stuff, too.
04:44Well, I've got a theorem for you.
04:46I've got your theorem right here, fangraphs.
04:47Are you changing up your nerd voice?
04:48I feel like your nerd voice used to be different.
04:51There's a cornucopia of nerd voices one can use.
04:55For a while, it sounded like Dr. Fink from The Simpsons.
04:57It was more towards that territory.
04:59Give me one of those,
05:00because I'm trying to think how...
05:01Maybe I'm just off of my nerd voice.
05:03No, you just want me to do a Dr. Fink impression,
05:05and that's not going to happen.
05:06No, I just...
05:06I'm not the impression guy.
05:08I'm not the impression guy.
05:09I remember you, Chris Walken.
05:09I swear to you, Chris Walken.
05:10They sound just like the real thing.
05:12I'm not an impression guy.
05:13Yeah.
05:13Well, I know.
05:14I'm just trying to figure out how...
05:15I'm walking.
05:16It's not bad.
05:17Can I get a little taste?
05:18It's not bad.
05:19No, it's my Malkovich.
05:20That is...
05:21Him and Rounders.
05:22Historically.
05:22Historically, really.
05:23Yeah, I swear it sounds like the real thing.
05:25All right, let's hear it.
05:25No, no, no.
05:26I'm not an impression guy.
05:27Yeah.
05:28I can at least get a little Dr. Fink.
05:29You're the impression guy.
05:30I'm not good at them.
05:32No, that's acknowledged,
05:33but you're the guy that at least goes for it.
05:36Because I actually have the courage to do it.
05:38I wouldn't call it courage.
05:39I have the courage to fail.
05:41Congratulations.
05:42Repeatedly.
05:42I'm still working on that, I guess.
05:44How do you think I got here?
05:44Yeah, I'm still working on that.
05:46Yeah.
05:46Two different approaches led to the same place.
05:50Yeah.
05:50Where we both could have been
05:51if things had just turned out different.
05:53Don't we both wonder that daily?
05:56Hey, we're happy to be here, though.
05:57Happy to be here.
05:58Happy to be here.
05:58As we argue with people online
06:00about whether or not excitement
06:01for a Browns preseason game is warranted or not.
06:04Yeah, that's actually my favorite part of this.
06:06I'm so bothered by this.
06:08Well, okay.
06:09While we're talking about this...
06:10Oh, gosh.
06:11I got to find the darn tweet.
06:11I got scolded for our analysis of the Schroeder trade.
06:19Robert saying...
06:20Because I had mentioned I like the dog in Dennis Schroeder.
06:23Did he say, how do you quantify the dog in him?
06:25No, he didn't.
06:26He said, yeah.
06:26That would be my response.
06:27He said, yeah, that dog in him, 33 and not improving, 6-1.
06:30Come on.
06:33At least man is 6-4 and 25.
06:3618th pick in 2021 draft.
06:38Coach him up.
06:39What the hell did Schroeder do?
06:40At least we saved money to get where we all need to fill out the roster
06:44in the next couple weeks.
06:45Jeez, you guys love to be negative.
06:47And it's like, Trey Mann, this is a salary dump.
06:50Yeah, that's all this is.
06:52The Cavs don't love Trey Mann.
06:52They don't love Trey Mann.
06:53Now, he might end up being a more useful player this year
06:55because last year was a career worst.
06:57But my job isn't to come out here and be like,
06:59come on, big dog.
07:01We saved $7 million.
07:02Let's do it, brother.
07:03Yeah, the best thing about Trey Mann is the idea
07:05that you're now like $40 million under the second apron.
07:08Yeah, if Trey Mann leads to Peyton Watson,
07:10I'll be the biggest Trey Mann fan you ever found, right?
07:13Let's not go too crazy.
07:15Second biggest?
07:161% height, 1% weight.
07:19Sure.
07:19Sure.
07:20Yeah?
07:20Sure, yeah.
07:21That's what you want.
07:22Yeah.
07:23But no, I just think like, it's funny to me.
07:25I feel like Trey Mann is going to have to be crushed
07:27by the idea that he can't wear 23 in Cleveland, okay?
07:30It's Trey Mann.
07:31I think it's time we give it away.
07:33Stop it.
07:33I think if Dan really wanted to be bleepy about this,
07:38I think you'd give Trey Mann, come on.
07:42Just be like, he's the first one to ask for it.
07:44Yeah, nobody asked for 23 previously.
07:46He wore 23 in Charlotte.
07:46He wanted to wear 23 here.
07:47Why not?
07:48He promised he'll be better this year,
07:50and I took him at his word.
07:52It's a level of petty that I know exists in that organization.
07:56That's what makes it so fun.
07:57The funny thing is.
07:58Somebody's had that convo to themselves.
08:00How can we get back at LeBron without upsetting him forever?
08:05Every organization in sports has some level of petty.
08:11But the point is,
08:12there are some organizations that are more petty than others.
08:16I guarantee you,
08:17if any of the other hosts at the station are listening to this right now,
08:21they're prioritizing the teams in Cleveland
08:25and how petty they feel they are, right?
08:27Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
08:28I feel like this is one place where if the Cavs are just a little,
08:31it's not Comic Sans.
08:32We just got a little petty here, right?
08:35Or maybe it was like,
08:36maybe it's like Tristan Anaruma, I think is his name.
08:40Give that kid 23,
08:41and then you'll cut him before the regular season.
08:44Okay.
08:44Or maybe you'll sign him to like a 10-day contract.
08:46He'll play one day, he's 23, and then you cut him.
08:50No, let someone wear it for the whole season
08:51if that's the route we're going to go down.
08:52Let's not get ridiculous about it.
08:54Yeah, yeah, okay.
08:55Let's not get too petty.
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