00:00Steve Palazzolo, Sam Monson, they do their podcast together on YouTube,
00:04and they had a prediction for who the Browns' breakout player was going to be.
00:08This is what they came up with.
00:09Cleveland Browns are going with Isaiah Bond in the footage that's currently circulating in the internet.
00:15Obviously, much of it is focused on the performance of the quarterbacks and Deshaun Watson and Shador Sanders.
00:21But every now and again, I'm kind of reminded that Isaiah Bond is on this team,
00:24and he was the other Texas receiver.
00:27A lot of kind of off-field questions with him.
00:30But the fact that he's sort of hung around this long already is, I think, a good thing for his
00:36potential sort of long-term prospects
00:38of, oh, maybe he could actually hang around in the NFL.
00:40And if he does, I actually felt like he was the better player on the field at Texas.
00:44So I actually think there's a potential player there.
00:46And I know they just drafted Concepcion and Denzel Boston and stuff,
00:50but, like, Bond is exactly the type of player, I think, that might end up forcing a bigger role within
00:55that team.
00:56Well, he definitely can.
00:57Man, I don't know if it's dependent on who wins the job.
00:59We know the connection with Shador and Isaiah Bond exist.
01:02Go back to the Raiders game last year.
01:04It's just obvious they have that deep threat.
01:05We've seen it a couple times already here in camp.
01:08The thing that people that have been at these camps keep telling me, though,
01:10is physically he does look different.
01:12At Texas, he was more of a decoy.
01:14You know, they didn't use him in what I believe to be a proper way.
01:17He was more just about like, oh, shiny object over here, get attention on him.
01:21And then that was all it was.
01:22That's why his production wasn't that great at Texas.
01:24But I'm excited about the idea.
01:26Like, if he can become the breakout player on this team,
01:29I know with certainty in my head that Boston's going to be good this year.
01:34I'm fairly confident Concepcion's going to be there as well.
01:37Concepcion, no reception kind of scares me a little bit.
01:40But ultimately, I just watched too much of him.
01:42I think he's going to be good.
01:42But I don't know whatever to expect out of Jerry Judy.
01:45But if you can give me those two that I first brought up and Isaiah Bond,
01:49we go from one of the worst wide receiver rooms to one of the, I don't know,
01:52top 15 in the snap of a fingers, Jack.
01:54I mean, it can definitely happen.
01:56I just, I struggle to predict Isaiah Bond as a breakout star this season
02:01because I just don't know.
02:02There is a role for him on this offense.
02:04He will certainly be on the field.
02:05It's just, like, what is a breakout star?
02:08Like, if Isaiah Bond goes for 500 yards this year,
02:10That's not breakout.
02:11No, that's not breakout.
02:12We're talking about, I don't know, close to 1,000 yards, somewhere in that range.
02:15I don't see how he gets that much attention, that many targets.
02:18So in order to be a breakout star,
02:19you have to basically come from nothing to then actually materialize into something.
02:23So maybe it's closer to, like, 750.
02:24The idea, though, is right now he's perceived to be a nothing.
02:28Do you think that's a fair assessment?
02:29Yeah, I mean, I think the perception on him after last year is about a nothing.
02:32I mean, he went for, what, 300 yards last year?
02:34That might be generous.
02:35It wasn't that much.
02:36Yeah, it's not good.
02:39So he goes 750, 800, 850, somewhere in that range.
02:42He solidifies himself as, I don't know, the number two wide receiver on this team.
02:45Is that enough to be breakout star?
02:47That would be breakout to me.
02:48I just don't see that pathway forward for him.
02:49Why not?
02:50Because I think you're roadblocked by both Boston and Concepcion,
02:53two guys that I think they just invested heavily capital in,
02:55that they're going to make sure he's on the field before Isaiah Bond's on the field.
02:58And Jerry Judy exists here this year.
03:00And, like, say what you will about Jerry.
03:02Again, he was bad last year.
03:04That's a guy that went for 1,200 yards the year before and is consistently, in his career,
03:09yes, been a disappointment after being a first-round pick,
03:11but been, like, a 750-plus-yard guy every single year of his career, basically.
03:16Why do I expect that to just all of a sudden, poof, disappear?
03:19Because while he had no wide receiver help, he looked bad.
03:22So I do think there's enough room, though, for somebody to go out there and grab a spot in this
03:25wide receiver room.
03:26I understand what you're saying about guys being blocked, and I agree with it for the most part.
03:30Like, I told you, I listened to that Jarvis Landry podcast with Collard.
03:33He was talking about the very last year he was in New Orleans.
03:35Do you remember that year?
03:36Michael Thomas is there.
03:38Olave's there.
03:38And he looks around, and he thinks he's got a lot to give still.
03:41I think he opened up the season with, like, a 130-yard game.
03:44And then he looks, and he's like, oh, oh, yeah.
03:46No, they took Olave in the second round or first round, whatever it was.
03:50Like, we got to pay that off.
03:51Like, they're, you know, other guys have to get theirs, and I'm just not going to be able to do
03:56it.
03:56But he did mention how a guy like Shahid on that team basically came up out of nowhere and then
04:01stole a spot that was basically supposed to be his.
04:04And, like, there's, I think in the NFL there is room for that.
04:07I agree with the idea.
04:09Boston's going to get his.
04:10Concepcion's going to get his.
04:11Judy should get his.
04:13Unless he's got the case of the dropsies early, and then they just kind of phase him out, which is
04:17definitely on the table.
04:18But there's going to be room for Isaiah Bond.
04:20I think the question I would have for Isaiah Bond is, can you become more than just a, hey, go
04:2660 yards deep.
04:27Let's throw it up like we're at the schoolyard and see if you can catch it.
04:30Can we see Isaiah Bond do more in the offense than just that?
04:33Now, that's a great trick.
04:35That's not a bad trick.
04:36That's a magician making the Statue of Liberty disappear, okay?
04:39Like, that's a finishing trick.
04:41That's great.
04:42We like that one.
04:42But can you do more than just that?
04:45Be more than a one-trick pony.
04:46And I think that's where, if Isaiah Bond becomes a breakout star, I think that's where it lies.
04:50Yeah, because if he's going to be the one-trick pony, that's where he ends up being kind of the
04:55wide receiver four on this team.
04:56And that's what he is currently to me.
04:57I don't know if you have a different perception on him.
04:59But, like, to me right now, he's a one-trick pony.
05:01He becomes a breakout star if he adds more to that arsenal.
05:04Yeah, I think that's where he stands right now.
05:05And let's say it's possible.
05:06I just, like, do I think he could be better this year and more suited in the offense?
05:11Like, especially when we get late in the year, do I think he could steal a little bit more time,
05:14especially if the season's not going this way?
05:16Browns assume they're probably not hanging on to Jerry Judy any longer.
05:18And it's like, hey, why don't we get Isaiah Bond some more reps out here?
05:21Let him play a little bit more.
05:23Or who knows, an injury pops up.
05:24Definitely.
05:25Do I think he's much more slated for a breakout year in, like, 2027?
05:29If he's back on the Browns and still playing here?
05:31Yeah, I think that's the year where you look at him and go, okay, not only is he clearly the
05:35wide receiver three in this room,
05:37but after you get a year of Denzel Dawson, after you get a year of Casey Concepcion,
05:42now you have the chance to steal spots on the depth chart.
05:45Like, they're going to be featured in year one.
05:46They're still going to be on the team in year two, but, okay, I drafted him.
05:50He's on my team.
05:50He's a fine wide receiver.
05:51Doesn't mean Isaiah Bond can't go take the yardages from him and be the better wide receiver that I put
05:56more attention to at that point.
05:56It just feels like the type of prediction that could go very, very well for the two people in Palazzolo
06:02and Munson,
06:02and it could also go really miserably.
06:05And they look up, and at the end of the season, it's like, oh, yeah.
06:08Yeah, that never did make sense, did it?
06:09Jerry Judy does exist and is a good football player.
06:11Concepcion and Boston were obviously going to get targets, and they're really good.
06:14And you just kind of ran out of balls to go around, all things considered.
06:18Fannin had to get his in there, and it just kind of became what it is.
06:21On the other side of that, though, it wouldn't be crazy to me, and I'm not betting – I wouldn't
06:26bet your money on it,
06:27but it wouldn't be crazy to me if Jerry Judy doesn't look good and week eight they decide to trade
06:33him.
06:33They do the Amari Cooper thing like they did when Amari was done here, where it's like, all right, we'll
06:37just get a third-round pick for him,
06:39send him on his way, and we're going to let the young guys play, and this just is what this
06:42is.
06:42And stuff like that can still happen where it opens up an area for someone like Isaiah Bond to really
06:47go out there and steal it.
06:48Like, that is what is on the table to me.
06:50Like, that's the thing that you point to where you say, okay, Isaiah Bond didn't have a good year.
06:53But starting out there, like, Jerry's going to be on the roster.
06:56He's probably perceived walking into day one of the season as, like, the number one because he is the veteran
07:01in the room.
07:01He's the only guy with anything that's proven.
07:03He's probably still the feature of your offense, the guy that you trust the most if you're a quarterback.
07:08Again, you probably have to trade him away.
07:10He probably has to go through and hope this doesn't happen, but, like, go through an injury to open that
07:14up for Isaiah Bond.
07:15Then he can run with it and still be a big part of it.
07:17But as long as Jerry's here, again, I don't think he's incredible, but I don't think he's nearly bad enough
07:23to just start losing his job and become wide receiver four.
07:26And the Browns basically just sit him on the bench and be like, no, we're done.
07:28I know, but what's important about it, he's in the last year of his deal.
07:31Yeah.
07:31And so if he's not going to be part of this team long term, you have to really find out
07:35whether or not he matters to this team in having success.
07:37So if Jerry Judy starts to stink and starts to drop passes and starts to seem like he doesn't have
07:42it, I have no problem if a team comes calling and wants to offer you up a pick and you
07:45say bye-bye, Jerry Judy.
07:47Zero problem with that at all.
07:48I mean, I'm going to give him the chance, obviously.
07:50I don't think he's in the long-term plans of this.
07:53I think that's why you took Boston.
07:54That's why you took Casey Concepcion.
07:56That's why you have as many wide receivers as you do.
07:58And so I think that flexibility is going to offer things up.
08:01And maybe this is, like if Isaiah Bond's awesome, maybe that is part of what's dependent on whether or not
08:05you would make a move like that with Judy.
08:07Listen, about what I'm thinking about on this year, if a team called tomorrow about Jerry Judy, I would consider
08:12moving him.
08:12I would too.
08:13Why have we not talked about that, all things considered?
08:16Why have we not talked about the idea that if Denzel Ward's on the table and some of these other
08:19guys are on the table,
08:20someone like Jerry Judy in the last year of his deal might as well be if we're going to open
08:25this thing up.
08:25I think it's because most people don't believe this is a full garage sale.
08:28It was just getting rid of Miles Garrett, and they want to be competitive, and you are better with Jerry
08:32Judy.
08:32And maybe it's just too reliant on rookie receivers, but it's at least worth the conversation.
08:37Yeah, I mean, I think you could certainly have it.
08:39I just, the other problem is what is Jerry's?
08:41Like, he has better value if he goes out there and has an okay start to the season and shows
08:46a little bit more of,
08:47hey, maybe this is a guy that I want to add to me.
08:49Like, he has the Shaheed type of, he wasn't doing great in New Orleans,
08:53but he was a guy that was certainly going to help out the Seahawks, so they went out and got
08:57him.
08:58They paid the money for him and gave up the assets, but Jerry Judy right now is coming off a
09:02600-yard season.
09:03Like, what team is coming calling?
09:04I mean, like, that's the difference between us and the Super Bowl.
09:06That's kind of where we're at in the Denzel Ward conversation.
09:09It's like Denzel Ward had his worst season he's ever had in the NFL last year.
09:12You're going to wait until he can rebound it.
09:14That's where it's interesting.
09:15Like, if Jerry actually starts off great in, I don't know, week six, week seven, week eight,
09:19do they sacrifice that idea that it's building and that he actually is playing good football?
09:25Or do they just say, well, no, we need the assets.
09:27We need to get better as quickly as we can.
09:29We're not signing you long-term.
09:30This is what this is.
09:31I mean, Jared Judy's, what, 27 years old, I think?
09:34Andrew Barry is very notorious for moving off wide receivers right at about that age 30 mark,
09:38so he's not getting a long-term deal.
09:39And he's gotten a lot of credit for that.
09:41He's gotten a lot of credit for, like, predicting when these guys are going to drop off
09:43and when they don't have it anymore and then making the right move.
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