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John Collins and John McKinnon examine why followers often remain committed after prophecies fail, using William Branham, Millerism, Seventh-day Adventist origins, Jehovah's Witnesses, and modern prophetic movements as case studies. They explain how date-setting, doomsday expectation, invisible fulfillment claims, and spiritualized reinterpretations can turn failed predictions into loyalty tests.
The discussion connects failed prophecy to authority control, information restriction, identity fusion, doctrinal revision, and the emotional difficulty of leaving a high-control religious system. Rather than attacking people trapped inside these movements, the episode encourages critical thinking, historical documentation, and careful testing of prophetic claims.
00:00 Introduction
04:20 Why People Stay After Failed Prophecies
11:26 William Branham’s 1977 Prediction
16:07 William Miller And The Great Disappointment
23:32 Branham’s Shut Door Theology
27:47 Jehovah’s Witnesses And Repeated Failed Dates
33:32 Failed Prophecy As A Loyalty System
42:22 Why Failed Prophecy Strengthens Groupthink
46:10 Branham’s Africa-India And Tent Visions
50:15 Message Interpretations Of The Tent Vision
55:54 Critical Thinking And Preserving The Real History
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The discussion connects failed prophecy to authority control, information restriction, identity fusion, doctrinal revision, and the emotional difficulty of leaving a high-control religious system. Rather than attacking people trapped inside these movements, the episode encourages critical thinking, historical documentation, and careful testing of prophetic claims.
00:00 Introduction
04:20 Why People Stay After Failed Prophecies
11:26 William Branham’s 1977 Prediction
16:07 William Miller And The Great Disappointment
23:32 Branham’s Shut Door Theology
27:47 Jehovah’s Witnesses And Repeated Failed Dates
33:32 Failed Prophecy As A Loyalty System
42:22 Why Failed Prophecy Strengthens Groupthink
46:10 Branham’s Africa-India And Tent Visions
50:15 Message Interpretations Of The Tent Vision
55:54 Critical Thinking And Preserving The Real History
______________________
Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962
Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K
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00:31Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research
00:40at william-branham.org, and with me I have my co-host, researcher, and friend, John McKinnon,
00:46author of The Persuasive Preacher, The Gifted Prophet, and The Noble Politician.
00:51John, it's good to be back and to talk about all things failed.
00:56This is probably going to be one of the weirder episodes that you and I have done, but it's
01:01important.
01:02And I think for people who were never involved in these groups who are watching and trying
01:07to learn more about the mindset of somebody, generally I get people who are contacting me
01:12about the mindset of somebody who has escaped a cult and they want to help them in one of
01:16the churches.
01:17I think to understand this subject that we're getting into today is probably one of the most
01:23important that you can examine because most of these groups have spun off and their leader
01:31has claimed to be a prophet of some sort, maybe an apostle of some sort with prophetic gifting
01:36or maybe just a five-fold minister with authoritarian and divinely inspired or so-called quote-unquote
01:46divinely inspired sermons.
01:48They all claim to have some sort of a gift or a prophetic insight, and that's how it spins
01:54off into a destructive cult.
01:56That's why when they leave, they talk about the prophecy.
01:59Only as they leave and start to unravel what was in their head, many of them who are escaping
02:06suddenly realize it wasn't really prophecy, it was failed prophecy.
02:12And whenever one of these people who have escaped get into one of these normal, quote-unquote
02:17normal churches, and I'm quoting that because there are so many varieties of different denominational
02:23churches, each one of the denominational, not just ministers, but even lay members who want
02:30to help the group, some of them contact me, and the biggest question is this, John, whenever you read
02:36the Bible about prophecy, the Bible is very clear in its instructions to test the prophecies.
02:42If the prophecies do not come to pass exactly as claimed, then that person is not a prophet
02:48of God, or they're not speaking prophecy from God.
02:51Why do the people not do this?
02:53And it's an important question, because they don't.
02:56Whenever you leave these destructive groups, even long after leaving, they still, many of
03:01the people, are so burdened because they believe the person really to be truly a prophet.
03:07And in the case of Branham, as we've mentioned, some of the prophecies can't even be tested
03:12because they weren't even claimed until long after the event happened.
03:16And yet, he still got them wrong, which is kind of funny.
03:18But all of that aside, it's important for this very reason.
03:23Prophecy to people who are in these destructive groups is not viewed in the same way as people
03:29who've not been influenced by them, in so much that prophecy, specifically failed prophecy,
03:36isn't viewed as a failure so much as it is a test to the people who are escaping, or to
03:43the people who are inside who might otherwise escape.
03:46It's a test to see who remains.
03:48That was really, really difficult for me to understand.
03:51When I discovered the first failed prophecy of Branham, and I went to my grandfather, I
03:57really thought, oh my gosh, if one of them is wrong, can we say that he was a prophet of
04:01God?
04:02Because I'd read that scripture, but my answer that I got from my grandfather was really
04:07to suppress it.
04:08So, excited to get into this.
04:10There's so much to say.
04:11I hope I can contain it to an hour.
04:13We'll see if we can.
04:15John, it's good to be back and good to do another episode with you.
04:19We're probably on number seven now on what we were talking about, how to start a cult.
04:25And on this one, we're going to continue about a part three in a couple of series on why people
04:32stay with false prophecies and why they fail to leave the group when they realize that there's
04:39been a false pronouncement of something that never came to pass, that their leaders clearly
04:46articulated that it was supposed to happen and why people remain even more committed to these
04:52groups even after that.
04:55So, we're going to look at the psychological things again somewhat, but go into more detail
05:01on what the prophecies actually were on some of these groups and just show how we see today
05:08they're still in them and the groups are still thriving.
05:10And the groups will probably remain thriving because they've long forgotten that their
05:16leaders have proclaimed false prophecies.
05:21So, I'm looking forward to these next episodes because this is where we can critically examine
05:26what these high control groups have prophesied and whether these prophecies really came to
05:31pass and examine what it does to the psychology of the members of the group.
05:35We could actually spend a lot of time on this and I'm going to try to reduce it down as
05:40much as possible, maybe only going over two episodes with it because you could just go
05:45on and on with the numerous false prophecies.
05:49So, rather than doing that, there's some things in the modern day prophets in the New Apostolic
05:55Reformation movement.
05:56It's kind of hilarious to watch them in action because they're far different than what happened
06:01in the past, they're much less formal, they're more spontaneous, and they come up with some
06:07pretty wild ideas nowadays.
06:09You know, anything from one prophet I've heard that visited a Christmas town in heaven and
06:15also maybe having snowball fights with Frosty the Snowman and then eating your house made
06:21out of candy or Jell-O and then having it regenerate.
06:24You know, we're not focused on the prophets who have only a few brain cells left, but we're
06:29focusing on those movements, you know, who claim to develop prophetic insight and, you
06:33know, gain a large following to the point of looking like a legitimate Christian congregation.
06:39And these groups or their leader, you know, gets bold at some point in the movement's history
06:45and they begin to make predictions about doomsday and they begin to set dates about the end times
06:50or about themselves and prophesy of things to come, which brings down the showdown.
06:55You know, when that date finally arrives, you know, whether God really spoke to them or not.
07:00So it's kind of amazing to see this happen and the dynamics of that because clearly when
07:06they set a date in their own lifetime or in even our lifetimes, we can observe it, you
07:11know, and watch whether or not it does come to pass.
07:16So we got a foundation in our last two episodes of why members would continue to support a group
07:22and continue to believe even though the prophecy and the dates and the details, you know, are
07:26clearly shown to be false.
07:28And I'm going to mention some of these false prophecies today and even name the groups.
07:32But like we said, when a group does publicly speak in the name of the Lord and they speak
07:38a prophecy and, you know, puts their stamp of approval on it, I believe the public, like
07:43us, has the freedom and responsibility to examine it and see if it's really so and identify the
07:49group with the prophecy.
07:50It's fair game.
07:51So that would be true of any church or group who wants to claim special, you know, divine
07:55revelation even.
07:56If they really believe their prophecy, they should not be afraid to have it challenged and
08:00to see if it can stand the test of a true prophecy.
08:03And so I will say that, you know, regardless of any of these, whether any of these people
08:08stood in the public square, you know, in sackcloth and ashes and proclaimed that thus saith the
08:13Lord with their pronouncements, you know, when they speak, believe, or preach and publish
08:17a prediction about an event to make it clear that they believe it, you know, to me, that's
08:23qualification enough to say it lies close to prophecy, even if they don't proclaim it
08:28in the name of the Lord and sackcloth and ashes.
08:31You know, prophecy is just predicting the future.
08:34And that's what they're attempting to do.
08:36And any false prophets also quick to promote things that they may get right, you know,
08:42as vindication of truth.
08:43But on the flip side, you know, everything they got wrong, you know, is usually forgotten.
08:48And, you know, a lot of these things, and the groups will mention, you know, they didn't
08:52start flourishing until after Darby's dispensationalism maybe came out in the 1830s.
09:00And when the end times became very, a flurry of activity around that and study around the
09:06end times because of the teaching of the rapture and the coming of Christ.
09:11So then we see now these groups are trying to actually predict, you know, when it's going
09:16to happen.
09:17But there's been many variations and groups of Christianity over the last 2,000 years, in
09:23fact.
09:24And I'm sure some of them are even similar to the ones we're discussing today in the
09:28last 200 years, which are most well documented in our time.
09:33And they also arose back in those days and claimed maybe to be the true Christian church
09:38as these did.
09:39But I don't know why the date setters, you know, we're looking at today are similar in
09:44the date spread they put upon their prediction.
09:45But usually when they predict a date that we find, it's usually about 15 to 20 year spread
09:51on average, I found from the time they publicly go forward with it until the time of the fulfillment.
09:57And most of the time the date was well off after they've gone off the scene.
10:02So another interesting similarity of all these cult leaders is the fact that they have a
10:06heavy emphasis on doomsday, the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation, as well as the second
10:12coming of Christ.
10:13So when they get deep in the study of it, you know, they almost think they have it figured
10:18out, you know, a lot of us do, because I remember back when I was a young teenager and, you
10:25know,
10:25it was my prayer to God to really understand the book of Revelation.
10:29You know, I was naive enough to think that I could discover something, you know, maybe
10:33no one else had seen.
10:35And because I believe my prayer.
10:37And then I see how men fall into these traps.
10:41And when you get counting into the 70 weeks of Daniel, then some of that interpretation
10:46is easy and just builds excitement because you're, you feel like you're going to really
10:49discover something unique here that Bible prophecy is not really hard to understand.
10:55And so each of these men and women who developed their own church, you know, they each had a
10:59slightly different take on the second coming and the book of Daniel, the book of Revelation,
11:03the fate of the Jewish nation, the fate of the elect and non-elect.
11:07So I'm sure these men are not much different than all of us, except they eventually convinced
11:12themselves that they really had to do when Jesus was returning with an actual date.
11:18You know, if they'd only realized that Jesus said no man knows the day or the hour, it might
11:22have helped them avoid all these controversies.
11:25You know, we look back at the message and William Branham even went on to say during his
11:29predictions that Jesus didn't actually say no one could not know the year of Christ's
11:34return.
11:34And so that was his justification for setting the date of 1977.
11:38There are many different people in many different circles of Christianity and even non-Christianity
11:44who are aware that William Branham falsely prophesied that the world was going to end in 1977.
11:51But those people are not the people who are in his religious following.
11:55I was one of the people who was on the inside, and I can say with certainty that while I
12:01knew
12:01that William Branham made the prediction, I did not view it as a failed prophecy, which
12:06is really interesting.
12:08There are many different ways in which a central figure will do this, and I've examined several
12:14different groups at this point.
12:15They all have one thing in common.
12:17Whenever they're giving a prediction that they know is probably not from God, internally they
12:23have to know, because they always give a caveat or an out.
12:27They will say things like, I believe with certainty.
12:30God has showed me that this is going to happen unless this other thing happens.
12:34And that's one of the common tricks and gimmicks, if you want to call it that.
12:39And the other thing that they will do is they will try to qualify what they say and give it
12:45just enough leeway to go either direction.
12:48That if it goes in the right direction, it's a prophecy.
12:51If it goes in the wrong direction, in other words, if it doesn't turn out like they said,
12:56well, that was just my own personal prediction.
12:58And that's what Branham did.
12:59He said it was a divinely inspired prediction.
13:03You can find an example of that statement in his Church Age book when it talks about 1977.
13:10Well, a divinely inspired prediction is a prophecy.
13:14There's no two ways about it.
13:15You are divinely inspired, meaning God has showed you that this is going to happen.
13:20Well, that's what he said.
13:22And leading up to 1977, his following believed it so strongly that there were publications
13:30that, in fact, there was a book called By 1977.
13:34I've got a copy of it in there.
13:36They believed it hook, line, and sinker.
13:38And then what happened is when 1978 came, suddenly they realized, well, that was just a personal
13:45prediction.
13:46That was not a prophecy.
13:47And so I avoid that conversation entirely.
13:50There are better examples of failed prophecies that are much easier to show a person who is
13:57leaving the Branham religion.
13:59In fact, there is a prophecy that William Branham admitted to have failed.
14:02We've talked about that before, the India prophecy, but the 1977 prediction, as they call it, which
14:09was a prophecy, they will skirt around it in many different ways.
14:14Interestingly, you'll find the same thing even with the one that Branham admitted to have failed.
14:19He himself admitted that the prophecy failed, but I have had people contact me on the website
14:24and said, no, John, that didn't fail.
14:26It was fulfilled in this other way that wasn't the way that he said it would be fulfilled.
14:31So there is always a way in which the group can change or alter the statement, and it becomes
14:39a proving ground.
14:40If you can believe it, even though it failed, you have greater faith than the person who
14:46doesn't believe it.
14:47So therefore, you are a more devout follower of whatever is the movement.
14:52That's so correct, John, and it's right on point, you know, as we go through this.
14:56Even back in the days of Sir Isaac Newton, you know, he was known for wanting to – he
15:01was a scientist and very brilliant man, a Christian, and I'm sure as he started looking
15:07at the book of Daniel, he even probably believed he could decode, you know, the dates and the
15:12times and when these things were going to happen.
15:15And so it's easy to fall into that.
15:18So during the Second Great Awakening in America, which was in the 1800s, there was a lot of religious
15:24fervor in the U.S. at that time.
15:27Like I said, Darbyism, dispensationalism had also came about and came to the U.S., and
15:32it clouded beliefs in the end times in America and eventually gained a large following even
15:38in the Christian church because around 1909, we found it becoming firmly entrenched in American
15:45society and evangelicalism because the Schofield Bible was published.
15:51C.I. Schofield, he systematized Darby's ideas and put them directly into that Bible text as
15:58notes.
15:59And so it entered America through that channel around the mid-19th century, around 1840 to
16:051870.
16:07And so during this time, a Baptist lay preacher named William Miller, you know, this is one
16:13of our first groups we'll look at here, he spent years of intensive study of the symbolic
16:18prophecies of Daniel and counted the 2300-day prophecy.
16:22And so Miller got to where he believed that the cleansing of the sanctuary, you know, represented
16:27earth's destruction by fire at Christ's second coming.
16:31And so he used a year-a-day method of prophetic interpretation, which started around 457 B.C.
16:37with the decree to rebuild Jerusalem by our taxercees of the first of Persia.
16:44So he just calculated it and indicated that this period would end about 1843.
16:49And it's amazing how we can calculate these events, and they always end about the time,
16:53you know, we find them to end about the time we're alive, and so it amazes us.
16:58So a simple calculation amazed him that he was living about that time, and that he might
17:05get to see these things.
17:06So around 1831, he published an article in his tracks and periodicals that were sent about,
17:11and it took about nine years for this to gain hold and gain momentum.
17:16Because this was back in the days, you know, we didn't have internet, we had the Pony Express,
17:19maybe the horse and buggy.
17:21It took a long time for ideas to travel.
17:23So nine years, not a long time, much slower than today, which could be immediate.
17:29So after about nine years, around 1840, you know, Millerism, as it became to be known,
17:34was transformed from an obscure, you know, regional movement into a national campaign, actually.
17:40Miller was actually become in high demand to explain this prophecy.
17:44And as the various dates of Christ predicted return approached, you know, Millerite publishing
17:52gradually increased.
17:53Around 1843, 21,000 copies of Millerite papers were published every week.
18:00In New York, in a five-month period, in 1843, about half a million copies of various publications
18:09were distributed.
18:11In December of 1843, there was a publication proposed by the group of about one million
18:18tracts.
18:19And in May of 1844, he even announced that five million copies of Millerite publications
18:25had been distributed about that time.
18:28And they went up into Canada and even Great Britain.
18:30So you see, the publishing of their ideas tends to gain momentum.
18:34And you can imagine what happened in the Schofield Bible as it got into the homes of people and
18:41they read it, how much those ideas, you know, lash into people's brains even to this day.
18:47You know, Miller, William Miller didn't express a specific date, but he narrowed the time frame
18:54between March of 1843 and March of 1844 for Christ's coming.
18:58But eventually that date, of course, passed, you know, no incident.
19:03But most Millerites at that time retained their faith.
19:07They didn't leave the movement.
19:09And Miller expressed continued expectations, saying that he's going to, Christ's going to
19:14return at any moment.
19:15And so the movement kept surviving after this because the leaders kept being flexible on the
19:21timing, allowing for minor calculation or historical errors to come into play there.
19:28And so they just kept being in expectation.
19:31And that's generally what these groups do is they keep you in high expectation for something
19:35about to happen.
19:37And in fact, they get you so much on the edge of your seat that if you felt like if
19:42you'd
19:42leave, you're going to miss it.
19:43So then a new date was set after that.
19:46And it was based off a different Jewish calendar.
19:49And that passed without fulfillment.
19:51And that led to a belief into a tarion time of waiting.
19:55And that sustained the movement for a while, until about July of 1844.
20:01And their evangelistic fervor declined at that time.
20:05But about August, another minister named Samuel Snow introduced the seventh month or midnight
20:12cry message.
20:13He concluded that Christ would return October 22nd of 1844 using the Jewish Karyite calendar.
20:21And that spread rapidly, as you can imagine, because everybody's, you know, all in expectation.
20:27And it was faster spreading than any prior Millerite teaching at the time.
20:33And even major leaders were caught off guard with his teaching, such as Miller and a man
20:40named Himes.
20:41Most didn't accept that date until late September or early October.
20:46And there was a lot of confusion.
20:49And what this whole year became to be known was called the Great Disappointment.
20:55And then all these members of the group, it seemed like almost every one of them had a different
21:00opinion.
21:01And all of them were different.
21:02But after that, the movement fragmented into distinct groups, each interpreting the failure
21:09differently.
21:11And so there was major groups formed after this.
21:14Now, I can relate this to the message.
21:15You know, after 1977, or even after 1965, the prophet dies.
21:21And 1977 comes to pass, and nothing happens.
21:25But each time this happens, the groups just splinter in all different directions, because
21:29everyone's trying to understand the prophecies that were given and trying to interpret them
21:34in light of what's happened.
21:37And so it causes that to happen.
21:39And that's what we see in these groups.
21:40So no different in this Millerite movement.
21:43It formed the Seventh-day Adventist Church, eventually.
21:47And they interpreted something as Christ entering the heavenly sanctuary.
21:51It became the investigative judgment, not his return to earth.
21:56They retained the historicist's prophecy and rejected dispensationalism at that time.
22:03They emphasized Saturday Sabbath keeping.
22:06And key figures at that time were Ellen White, James White, and Joseph Bates.
22:12So, interesting at this time, they latched on to the October 22nd day of 1844,
22:18and they said the door of salvation for the world had closed.
22:23They believed the probation had ended for those who rejected the Millerite message.
22:28And so the key figures that held that temporary view were Ellen G. White,
22:33in her earliest writings, James White, and Joseph Bates.
22:37So the shut door was present in the spiritualizers also, and that was short-lived as well,
22:43which said that Christ had already returned spiritually in 1844.
22:48And this was all quickly faded and rejected by most Millerites.
22:51So you see these different splinter groups had their own interpretation of what happened.
22:56And I likened what they said about salvation of the world had closed.
23:01A lot of the people in the message in 1863, you know, taught that as well.
23:06I'll go through that in a minute.
23:08This belief was popularized, say, by a couple of Millerite people.
23:14You know, they got into the parable of the ten virgins, mentioning the door being shut.
23:18But, and so that happened there, and so they became known as the shut door spiritualizer group,
23:28believing that further calls to repentance were not even necessary.
23:32So the shut door teaching that came about as a result of all this, you know,
23:39I think back in William Branham's group saying that salvation closed after 63,
23:43when the seven seals were revealed, when supposedly Jesus stepped on earth and said,
23:48good time shall be no more.
23:50But that was later abandoned in the Millerite movement as well as the message movement
23:56as conversions kept happening.
23:58And nowadays we say that, you know, God is still converting people in the message.
24:03It's not over.
24:05And because you have to eventually say that.
24:07It's been 60 years now.
24:09So how long is God going to keep that door shut and let people be born
24:12and never have a chance at salvation when the gospel is still going forth?
24:16You know, that's something that I don't think many people think through.
24:20Not just the people who are inside the group, but I'm talking about even the people who are
24:24outside looking in.
24:25They don't think through that as closely as they should.
24:28It isn't just the failed prophecy that is concerning.
24:32When people are on the outside and they want to look in and see, was this a false prophet?
24:37They'll go directly to the prophecies and say, are these prophecies from God?
24:41In other words, we're going to test them.
24:43Did all of the details come true exactly as they said?
24:46Can I find one single detail that failed?
24:48If I did, it's a false prophet.
24:51That's usually the direction they go.
24:53But remember, in these destructive groups, the prophecy itself isn't all encompassing.
25:00It is just the foundation for the doctrine that's built on top of that prophecy.
25:04And as you just mentioned, Branham did build theology on top of his doomsday prediction
25:09that closed the doors to the gospel.
25:12In other words, his group had it.
25:14They had the message.
25:15That's what he called it.
25:16That's why it's called the message.
25:18This message was the new gospel.
25:20And there's no need really to go out and recruit new members because this is it.
25:25The door has closed.
25:27We're in the ark, so to speak.
25:29And the doors are shut on the ark.
25:31Everybody on the outside is doomed.
25:32That was really the theology.
25:34That theology was based upon these predictions, these false prophecies.
25:39So when you're outside of the group and you're looking in, you also need to examine, does
25:44the theology that's built on top of the prophecy match the themes that we find in the New Testament?
25:52Because that's really the key.
25:54Does this support the furthering of the gospel?
25:56Or is this something that actually hinders the gospel from spreading?
26:00That is, that's really, really important to look at.
26:04It took me years after leaving to understand that concept.
26:08And I did have people try to explain it in different ways.
26:11But my head was so wrapped around just the prophecies themselves that I didn't think of all of the many
26:18things that were built on top of it.
26:19It's another reason why people say, whenever you leave a group, that the people on the inside will say, well,
26:25if that wasn't the true prophet of God, tell us which one is.
26:28They always go that direction because there are so many themes built on top of the prophecies.
26:33They must have a prophet or the whole thing crumbles.
26:36Every theology really crumbles.
26:38You don't have a messenger for the age, for example.
26:41All of that theology fails.
26:42So, for me, that is one of the most important points that we're probably going to bring up in this
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27:47Yeah, John, we see these cults forming all around this kind of hype and, you know, predictions that happen and
27:55fail.
27:55And so, even another group that was later developed and was influenced by the Millerite movement was called the Bible
28:03Student Movement.
28:04And this is where we got Jehovah Witnesses coming out of that.
28:07So, they drew from the Adventist chronological interest, but they were theologically very distinct in their own way.
28:16They adopted a new prophetic system and dates totally unrelated to Millerism.
28:22But it was founded by Charles Russell, of course, but they were influenced by the Second Adventist thinkers.
28:32And what the Jehovah Witnesses will say is that the prophet is not just one man, but it's a body
28:38of people.
28:38And that's where they get their Watchtire Track Society is that it's a body of people deciding, you know, what's
28:44truth.
28:45But they had major prophecies as well that came and went.
28:49But they predicted in 1874, they said that Christ returned invisibly.
28:54And then in 1897, said that he, the appointed king, is now present.
29:01In 1878, they predicted saints would be taken to heaven.
29:06And then in 1876, of course, Russell adopted the Adventist-derived view that Christ's perusia or presence or return began
29:15invisibly in 1874.
29:19And so they kind of gathered in the old little group there, and they kept setting dates and dates.
29:24One of the major dates that's well-known in Jehovah Witness history is 1914, which they established as the end
29:31of the world.
29:32And it was spoken about 1899, so about 15 years earlier.
29:36And that's where they said the Battle of the Great Day Almighty.
29:39It would end in 1914 with a complete overthrow of Earth's present rulership, and it was already commencing.
29:45So I can imagine that World War I was very influential in their beliefs because it was taken to be
29:53fulfillment.
29:54So we see that when groups make prophecies, they look for current events to vindicate what they're saying.
30:02So just like William Branham's prophecy of a woman being president, and just because Kamala wore purple, and he said
30:12the woman's arrayed in purple,
30:14well, that was immediately taken to be that that's the fulfillment of the prophecy.
30:19So we look for confirmation bias in our current events, and it's very heavy in the mind.
30:25So any little thing that shows up that appears to be like it's a fulfillment, they take it as a
30:31fulfillment.
30:33In 1918, the Jehovah Witness determined that the destruction of churches and governments would be happening,
30:41and they were confidently marking the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the prophets back to the Earth.
30:48And they even built a, I think they built a building for them to live in.
30:55So around 1925, they predicted the resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
31:01And then when it finally came, he said, many Christians have looked forward to this year.
31:06They've confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to the heavenly glory.
31:11So many other things happened.
31:13And in 1966, the Watchtower Society issued what became a sequence of statements on a new date, 1975.
31:22And that raised the possibility of that year heralding the beginning of Christ's millennial reign and doom for unbelievers.
31:30So as it drew closer, a degree of uncertainty became apparent in the Watchtower publications.
31:35And then they started saying it was probably feasible, apparent, appropriate.
31:42But then at the end of 1968, it became just a possibility.
31:47And as more and more time went on, you know, they became less and less confident that anything was going
31:53to happen.
31:54Some of their catchphrases about that time was, stay alive till 75.
31:59You know, they urged members to maintain their meeting attendance or you're going to lose your life at Armageddon.
32:06So there was a Dutch social anthropologist named Singelenburg.
32:14And he found that amid that conflict within those statements from an era about what might happen that year,
32:22they had a sense of urgency on there on a probable apocalyptic event.
32:26And then later, the possibility of a cataclysm.
32:30The expectations of that significant event in 75, it had a real big impact on their proselytizing activities and on
32:38the membership growth.
32:40So, John, I believe that's the key to the whole thing is that the more hype and the excitement you
32:45can build about something fixing to happen,
32:48you know, it feeds the group.
32:50It feeds their expectations and it raises it up to a high level to where they start proselytizing.
32:55Then they stick closer to the group.
32:57It has a great psychological effect.
33:00They create high expectations among the faithful members.
33:04And then that fury of emotions and activity and evangelism keeps them in the group because they believe it's going
33:09to save their souls.
33:11And one elder in the group of Jehovah's Witnesses actually told Singelenburg, said it was good, even this was after
33:18the event didn't take place,
33:20he said it was good that Armageddon didn't take place because now it's separated the wheat from the chaff.
33:27So, they find ways to explain it away.
33:29And we're going to see this over and over here as we go through this.
33:32That's the other key thing to understand.
33:34They find ways to explain it away.
33:36It's not just that.
33:39Yes, that is what's happening truly.
33:40But if you really think about what's actually happening underneath the hood, it turns out that whenever there's a failed
33:47prophecy, it's more than a bad prediction.
33:50This is where the failed prophecy itself becomes a system.
33:53In other words, the prophecy created the urgency before it fails, and then after the failure, it starts to create
34:02loyalty after the failure because they start to build doctrines on top of it as to why it's okay that
34:09it failed.
34:10So, prophecy itself, like I said, it becomes this loyalty test.
34:14You can test whether or not you were a good seed or a bad seed, a wheat or a tare,
34:19however they want to frame it.
34:20But then those who stay, those who remain, they get the special secret.
34:26They get the explanation as to why that prophecy was more important, even in its failure, than the original.
34:35In other words, we had all this hype building up to it.
34:37We were focused on it.
34:38It came.
34:39It went.
34:40It didn't happen.
34:41Well, here's why that didn't happen.
34:43Did you know people?
34:44And they start to explain it.
34:45That happened with 1977 as one of the talking points.
34:49But if you go to the website, I've listed several of the different doomsday predictions.
34:55It wasn't just 1977.
34:57This was a repeating theme.
34:59And, yes, it was closely tied to the fears of the war and the fears of a third world war.
35:05They would say things like, this is it, folks.
35:081956.
35:09You have to make your decision.
35:11There is no more time.
35:12They would say things like this.
35:13Well, that's okay when that's opinion.
35:16But then when you match that opinion with, here's the prophecies as to why I made that opinion, that blurs
35:24the lines between what is prophetic and what's just a personal opinion.
35:28And then when you build theology that weaves all of that together, now you have woven your personal opinion into
35:35divinely inspired prophecy.
35:37And once those two emerge, you can't separate them.
35:40So in the people's minds, they have now linked the failed prophecy with all of the predictions.
35:47And they've linked the claim, basically the, what do they call it, the out.
35:52Whenever they give the prediction, they say, this will happen thus and thus, unless.
35:57Well, once that's linked, you can't really go down the unless path.
36:01So even though there is an out, and with 1977, William Branham had one, the people didn't care because all
36:09of that theology was preparing them for the end of days.
36:12So they would come up with things, for example, like they would say, God, through his grace and mercy, has
36:19extended the time.
36:21Or they would say, we weren't ready yet.
36:23We need to get ready first.
36:25So all of these different theologies are built on top of the failure.
36:28And the failure becomes more powerful than the prophecy itself.
36:32So, John, once again, we just see over and over, you know, how these, the hype and the excitement that
36:38builds in members, you know, they can find ways to explain it away.
36:42And right now, we're going to look at something that has impacted message believers, anybody in any of these groups.
36:50You know, when they really have that strong belief, and they're holding on to it with all they have, and
36:54they think the end's going to happen.
36:56You know, they do a lot of crazy stuff.
36:59You know, they're not counting us, we're going to be here another 10 years.
37:03So they tend to do some things they wouldn't normally do.
37:06And I'll mention one testimony from a Jehovah Witness that was in the movement in their early 70s.
37:13And then he found it impossible to remain an active member after their failure in 1975.
37:18But he said that he, like many others, had been convinced the world would come to an end in 75.
37:24He said, I said it from the platform.
37:26We told everyone the end was near.
37:28He said, when I became a witness, I gave up my insurance policies.
37:32I canceled all my insurance endowments.
37:34I never bought a house because I knew I wouldn't need one.
37:37We didn't even want to put the kids' names down for school.
37:42So the response of each of these prophetic failures by the Watchtower Society followed this general pattern, you know, amongst
37:51believers.
37:52And this is from Joseph Zygmunt.
37:55He's also one that studied the group.
37:57He said the initial reaction by both rank and file and the movement's leaders was usually a combination of disappointment
38:04and puzzlement.
38:06And that's usually what happens.
38:07You get your hopes built up for the rapture to occur, for the end to come, and then you're disappointed.
38:14Then you wonder, how could he be wrong?
38:16So it creates puzzlement.
38:18And then your proselytism declines.
38:22But the members that are still there, they remain an attitude of watchful waiting as for these predictions to materialize.
38:28It's the same way in the message.
38:30We don't see near the proselytizing that happened back in the early 60s, 70s, and 80s.
38:36The excitement is just not there.
38:37But the members that are still there, they're waiting and watchful for things to materialize.
38:43But the doctrinal basis for the prophecies are reexamined and then conjectures are offered as to why these events might
38:52have been delayed.
38:53You know, we would say that, well, Jesus hasn't come back because we're receiving an extra measure of grace.
39:00The door of mercy is remaining open because there's more to come in.
39:04And, of course, that's true.
39:06God is keeping that door open because he expects to bring in a lot more people.
39:11But not just to the message, of course.
39:13It's to his people as Christians in general.
39:16So then the group asserts that the prophecies had been partially fulfilled or that some event of prophetic significance, something
39:28supernatural and not open to any kind of confirmation, you know, really transpired behind the scenes on these dates that
39:36were set.
39:37So the belief becomes God's plan is continuing to unfold within our group.
39:43And then unfulfilled portions of the prophecies were projected way into the future by reissuing either a new date or
39:51a retrospective interpretation of earlier failures.
39:55So we take in the message, you know, we take there's people that believe that William Branham will come back
40:00and fulfill shooting of a brown bear, for instance, or take a tent and go around the country and have
40:08tent revivals.
40:09I mean, that's a very common belief.
40:11And that's gradually gone away.
40:14But there's probably still some that still probably hold to that.
40:18So this man, Zeigmunt, concluded that the group's faith in its own belief system provides a basis for the claim
40:26of fulfillment.
40:27And the selective perception of global events, which are current events, they furnish supportive empirical evidence of fulfillment.
40:35So in this sense, and he said, and to the extent, the prophecies just cannot fail.
40:42Unfulfilled prophecies were converted into partial successes, welcomed as divinely provided lessons, revealing God's purposes more fully.
40:51Yet it was accepted that each of these prophecies would eventually come to pass.
40:55Thus you have return ministry in William Branham's movement.
41:00So in actuality, it doesn't matter what the leader prophesies because members that are fully dedicated and fully have given
41:10their lives over to this will find a way to show that the prophecies have not indeed failed.
41:16You know, for people whose lives have become dominated by this powerful expectation and their activities and daily lives are
41:23dictated by what this belief requires, you know, the abandonment of faith because of disappointments about some date that was
41:31set, it would usually be too traumatic an experience, you know, for them to contemplate.
41:37And that's why we see these movements survive, because in their minds, it's just too traumatic, you know, so we
41:43could understand why these movements last a long time.
41:47We just hope that the truth that we're bringing out in this day, presenting, you know, all the issues, that
41:55new people will not join these movements because of the issues there, the, you know, the false prophecies and so
42:01forth.
42:02But that the only thing that's holding the group together may be the birth of new children within the groups.
42:08But we hope that the information that's out in the world today that people can, you know, find their way,
42:14even though these groups will continue to survive, at least for a good while yet.
42:19And that's just it.
42:21It is a never ending battle.
42:22When people first leave, they start to say to themselves, well, I just discovered the truth.
42:27This this person was lying to me.
42:29This group was lying to me.
42:30There were so many things wrong with it.
42:33Why can't people see this?
42:34And they they really struggle to recognize the fact that there is a deep level of group think.
42:41And whenever something is a failure, when something is clearly wrong, that failure becomes more powerful than actually the thing
42:49that was wrong in the first place.
42:51The doctrines that are built on top of the failure are like Band-Aids.
42:54So the more you stack the Band-Aids, the more you wrap the Band-Aids, you can take a cut.
43:00And if you wrap enough Band-Aids, your skin is actually harder through all of the layers and layers of
43:04plastic.
43:05Well, that's what they do with these failed prophecies.
43:07They'll add doctrine upon doctrine upon doctrine.
43:10In the end, I've mentioned that it's kind of like trying to peel an onion.
43:15Whenever you leave a group, you you peel off this layer that you found was false.
43:19Well, what you find is underneath that layer, there's another false layer.
43:22So you have to peel it off.
43:24And by the end of your peeling off, you realize that you either end up with something that's just so
43:30incredibly absurd, you would never have followed it in the first place.
43:33Or you find that there was nothing there at all.
43:36So these layers of protection over the false thing are actually the binding that holds the group intact.
43:45You know, I want to go through the reasons why these groups survive.
43:48You know, why, and it's very common to all these groups when you have failures of prophecy, why do they
43:54continue to survive?
43:55Because we said they're going to continue on for a while.
43:58And I'm going to give a good example, you know, in the message movement.
44:02But in Jehovah's Witnesses, it's said that what they did was reinterpret the vision.
44:09They called it an invisible spiritual fulfillment of a vision or the date setting versus the actual thing happening.
44:17There's also, in these groups, you have authority control.
44:21So there's very centralized leadership that binds everybody together.
44:25And so to leave the leadership of the local church or the pastor to disagree with the headquarters, say, you
44:33know, you're out.
44:34So there's authority control.
44:36That keeps the groups together.
44:37There's information restriction.
44:39And we find in this day, the information restriction is so much less, thank goodness, because you can get access
44:46to the information if you really want it.
44:48But back then in the days when we were kept in the dark, any information that came out, say, that
44:53was contrary to the Bible message, that was restricted from the rank and file people, including us.
45:00So we never had access to the information to be able to make good decisions, why we were even in
45:05the group.
45:06Then there's identity fusion is what they call it.
45:10It's salvation tied to the organization.
45:12So to leave the group is to leave, you know, the salvation that's guaranteed in the group.
45:18And then you're called an apostate.
45:20Then there's blame shifting within the group, you know, as they separate and splinter in their own little belief systems.
45:28You know, they would say members just misunderstood the expectations.
45:33And that aligns, all these things align perfectly with that book we discussed earlier with all these dynamics that were
45:40described in the book called When Prophecy Fails.
45:42So we find that that's the dynamics of what's happening there.
45:46So the bottom line with Jehovah Witnesses is one of the most documented examples in history of repeated false prophecies
45:53spanning over 140 years.
45:56But with each failure, they followed it along with a doctrinal revision rather than repenting of the era and getting
46:03in line with true Christianity.
46:06We're going to find that is exactly what happened within the message.
46:11Many message people do not, they're not even aware of these things because they did happen early on in William
46:17Branham's ministry.
46:18He mentioned it as early as 1952, you know, right after his South Africa trip that was so successful.
46:25Many people were there, had a big meeting.
46:28So after that, as his popularity began to decline, he came up with a new vision.
46:33And we know it as the, you know, Africa-India vision.
46:38We also know another one called the tent vision, which I'll go through that here just a little bit.
46:43Because he believed very strongly that he was going to have a gospel tent and even have a little room
46:49inside the tent that he would minister personally to people.
46:52And they would come in and go out totally healed.
46:55So as that tent vision, you know, failed to materialize as far as reality, then it became more interpretive of
47:04the things we've gone through today.
47:07I'm going to read some things that show you exactly what people are saying about it today.
47:11Whereas back then, you know, William Branham had gone to people and said, okay, I want you to be the
47:17truck driver.
47:18He said, we're going to acquire this tent.
47:20And they actually may have even bought a tent.
47:23There's some that bought an airplane that he mentioned he was going to fly around on.
47:27As the truck driver took the tent from place to place, he would fly in this airplane.
47:31So they had it all in place for this vision to be fulfilled at the time.
47:36But, of course, it never materialized.
47:39So read a little bit here in 1956 when he actually had this vision.
47:43He said, he'd taken me from there, the angel.
47:45He said, I've seen a great huge tent.
47:47Never seen such a tent.
47:49It was packed and lined with people everywhere.
47:51And he says, I walked out, looked like it was standing above people looking down where I just made an
47:56altar call.
47:56Hundreds and hundreds of people were weeping, rejoicing, accepting the Lord Jesus as their Savior.
48:03He said that Brother Ward would build a tabernacle down in this position, this direction here, just exactly.
48:09You know, old timers.
48:10He's referring back to maybe a vision he had of Brother Ward building a tabernacle.
48:15He said, it happened just that way, and so will this be, he's talking about the tent, for it's thus
48:20saith the Lord, as you know.
48:21So he's relating the tent vision as coming to pass as material, as this tabernacle, he said, that would be
48:28built for a Brother Ward.
48:30Because he said it was thus saith the Lord.
48:32He says, and now I believe I'm at the brink of the greatest meetings ever I've ever held for the
48:37Lord, laying right in the future.
48:38And that was in January of 56.
48:41And then two years later, he still mentions this.
48:45He says, after a couple of nights, I want to start in on my new ministry.
48:49I want to take them back here in this room.
48:51Because you know the vision.
48:53How many remembers the vision?
48:54Sure you do, a little tent in the room.
48:56He said, but a ministry I can't be letting on to the public.
48:59No one will ever duplicate this.
49:02He said, I feel like I can reach out and take it here.
49:04And that was in 58, in September.
49:09And then in 62, he continues to mention the tent vision.
49:13He says, as far as I know, every vision that's ever given me has been fulfilled,
49:16except one that I'm a change in my ministry where I'm to pray for people in a little place, a
49:21little room, under a tent,
49:23a big auditorium or something, it looked like to me a tent.
49:27So all these things that were mentioned, he really felt like he was going to have a tent.
49:31But after that was not fulfilled, and after he died in 65, without that large-scale tent ministry going forth,
49:40then the views start disintegrating rapidly into different sects, you know, people believing different things.
49:48You know, some see it as unfulfilled in a literal sense, and that's why they might have a return ministry.
49:54But they complete it through Branham's overall ministry.
49:57They believe it happened.
49:58Others interpret it symbolically or even spiritually as if already fulfilled.
50:04Critics to the movement view it as a failed prophecy.
50:08But then faithful ministers emphasize a spiritual fulfillment over a literal fulfillment.
50:15So, here's some key things that were said by different ministers.
50:19Of course, one was, of course, Raymond Jackson of Faith Assembly that Charles has talked about very much.
50:27He stated that Branham fully completed his ministry as the end-time prophet.
50:32There's no need for him to resurrect or fulfill visions like a tent.
50:36And so he rejected the carnal interpretations or expectation of a return ministry
50:42or riding a white horse or attributing unfulfilled aspects, you know, to people's attitudes,
50:51similar to how Moses' journey was affected by Israel's unbelief.
50:54You know, Moses couldn't go into Promised Land because of something he did when he struck the rock.
51:02He emphasized that Branham's role ended with his death
51:06and that any unresolved prophecies, including the tent, should be tested against Scripture.
51:11So, he had sort of a balanced view.
51:13And he did not believe he would come back, believe it was fulfilled in his lifetime in some way.
51:19Now, Perry Green believed that the vision was literal but unfulfilled during his life,
51:25leading him to attempt to realize it by purchasing a large tent after 1965.
51:32And he recounted Branham expressing uncertainty at one point about the literal tent.
51:38And he quoted William Branham as saying,
51:40Brother Perry, I don't know whether it was a tent.
51:42But Green saw it as a prophetic promise for a continued message ministry, not as a failure.
51:48Framed it as assurance when all doors are closed, you can have the tent.
51:54He positioned the vision as part of end-time events,
51:58but acknowledged it shifted to a symbolic place for preaching and opposition.
52:03So, that was another way it was interpreted.
52:07There's another pastor, Brother Jesse Smith.
52:11He's also a message believer and a preacher.
52:13He argues the vision was fulfilled symbolically
52:17during Branham's private revelations of the seven seals in March of 1963,
52:21rather than a physical tent.
52:23And the reasons why is because he said it was not a public show.
52:26The third poll was private.
52:30And the other thing was a prayer closet interpretation.
52:33A little room was a secret place being shut in a room with the shades pulled for study and visions
52:38happening during the revelation of the seven seals.
52:42Also, supernatural miracles.
52:44He said that healings occurred that week.
52:46Say, a boy with leukemia and a dying child matches the visions miracles.
52:51So, he has that way of interpreting it.
52:52And also, salvation because he led the preaching of the seals led to over 100 baptisms in the name of
53:00Jesus Christ,
53:01fulfilling the mass salvation scene.
53:03So, he interprets it that way, that the seven seals was the fulfillment of the tent vision.
53:09Another pastor down in Alabama, Brother Shelley,
53:13he interprets the vision as fulfilled through supernatural anointing
53:17or a spiritual pavilion for the end-time bride,
53:20not as a physical structure.
53:22So, he also had a vision that told him the tent symbolized a stretched anointing,
53:31preparing believers for a translation faith, making them just like Jesus.
53:35So, in a sense, he's saying it's for all believers, message believers,
53:39and it'll be stretched upon all believers in a spiritual way.
53:44And, in the broader message community, the views are mixed.
53:50You know, some express full belief in a literal fulfillment,
53:53but then question it because of Branham's death.
53:56There's puzzlement there.
53:57And so, it leads to debates on whether it was symbolic or yet to come.
54:01And so, all kinds of beliefs happen because of it.
54:06But, anyway, so as we get through this, that's just one example of how when somebody declares a vision to
54:14be,
54:14thus saith the Lord, or a date setting, you know, we have to re-contextualize it
54:19after it doesn't happen the way we expect it to happen.
54:23So, these visions will continue to be debated year after year after year,
54:27and we'll come up with more and more ways to, you know, spiritualize it
54:31because we don't believe he's coming back to fulfill these things now, of course.
54:37And there's no way he's going to have a tent and go around in an airplane.
54:41It's just not going to happen.
54:43So, they do find ways to explain it away.
54:46And so, as we go through more and more of these false prophecies that were proclaimed by these groups,
54:52and especially the message, that'll be in our next episode,
54:55we're going to see very clearly that, you know, there's a dichotomy here.
54:59These things did not happen.
55:01So, you either have to put yourself in a position to say, you know, what do I do from here?
55:07If you're like most people within these groups that can't seem to come out
55:11because they're a mental block and it's just too painful,
55:14you're going to stay within the group and figure out how to explain it away.
55:17But if you're of those who want the truth
55:20and realize that there's something wrong when somebody's proclaiming a prophecy
55:24in the name of the Lord that doesn't happen,
55:27then I think it's the ones that will be more wiser to question it and look at the evidence.
55:33And that's all we're asking people to do here is look at the evidence, you know, what has happened.
55:37Don't spiritualize it and don't try to explain it away.
55:41But these things are very important to the people.
55:44So, that's all we're trying to do here is trying to get them to look
55:48and use their critical thinking
55:49and not just be going along with the group just because they say it's so.
55:54Absolutely.
55:55You know, people often mistake what I'm doing as attacking the group
56:00or the people who are in the group of the different various groups that we talk about on this podcast.
56:04It isn't really that so much as I'm advocating that they use critical thinking
56:09because it really doesn't matter what church you're in.
56:12You could go, for example, to a – and I won't mention a denomination.
56:16I don't want to point people in one direction or the other.
56:19But say you're going to a denominational church that has a good reputation.
56:24You go to a service where there's a minister that has a good reputation.
56:28You start attending.
56:29Ten years from now, something happens and something changes inside of him.
56:35Maybe there's a mental health issue.
56:37Maybe he went through a bad experience.
56:38But the church starts to shift.
56:42If you're not using critical thinking, then suddenly you're caught up in that.
56:46You're in the group, and it is – maybe it was a benign group.
56:50Maybe it was a healthy group.
56:52Who knows?
56:53But suddenly it starts to change unhealthy.
56:55That's really the problem.
56:57If you're not engaging critical thinking about what's being said, they can take you anywhere.
57:01So my point in doing all of this is not really to drag people out, but just if you're inside
57:08of the group, make it – make the people start thinking a little bit.
57:11Wake up and at least examine what you're in and why.
57:14But my focus is actually for people who are outside the groups.
57:18I want them to get the correct history, not the group's altered histories.
57:24Because part of what we've explained is the failed prophecy, the failed predictions, it rewrites the DNA of the group.
57:32And as you're rewriting the DNA and you're stacking all these doctrines on top, well, eventually there comes to be
57:38a layer where now you have really forgotten the reason why you created all these band-aids for your theology.
57:46And the original reason, the original failure, gets erased.
57:49And so my point in doing all of this is really just to document what happened so that researchers can
57:54find it.
57:55And anyway, this is – there's so much more I could say.
57:58We'll get into it next time.
57:59I think we've only skimmed the surface of this particular subject.
58:03So if you've enjoyed our show and you want more information, you can check us out on the web.
58:06You can find us at william-branham.org.
58:08For more about the information about Roy Davis and William Branham, you can read The Persuasive Preacher, The Gifted Prophet,
58:15and The Noble Politician.
58:16And for more about the dark side of the New Apostolic Reformation, you can read Weaponized Religion from Christian Identity
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