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John and Bob examine how anti-Catholic activism, fraternal politics, and extremist religious networks intersected with early Pentecostal and Latter Rain history. The discussion follows Roy E. Davis, William Branham, Indiana political influence, Methodist participation, and the broader climate that helped shape later restorationist and charismatic movements.
The conversation also explores how propaganda, civic clubs, religious identity, and power structures overlapped in twentieth-century America. Along the way, John and Bob connect those older patterns to later movements, including Christian Identity, the New Order of the Latter Rain, and the environment that influenced modern apostolic and prophetic networks.
00:00 Introduction
01:19 Why This Topic Matters
07:47 The Klan As A Religious And Anti-Catholic Movement
11:03 Roy E. Davis, William Branham, And The Indiana Klan
18:27 Methodism, Protestant Culture, And Klan Expansion
21:41 The Klan As A Christian Fraternal And Civic System
27:31 Money, Marketing, And Power
34:03 Roy Davis In California, Front Organizations, And Propaganda Networks
47:16 Pulling Back The Curtain On Religious Power
51:54 JFK, Anti-Catholicism, And Militant Reorganization
56:05 Why The Same Religious Patterns Still Matter
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The conversation also explores how propaganda, civic clubs, religious identity, and power structures overlapped in twentieth-century America. Along the way, John and Bob connect those older patterns to later movements, including Christian Identity, the New Order of the Latter Rain, and the environment that influenced modern apostolic and prophetic networks.
00:00 Introduction
01:19 Why This Topic Matters
07:47 The Klan As A Religious And Anti-Catholic Movement
11:03 Roy E. Davis, William Branham, And The Indiana Klan
18:27 Methodism, Protestant Culture, And Klan Expansion
21:41 The Klan As A Christian Fraternal And Civic System
27:31 Money, Marketing, And Power
34:03 Roy Davis In California, Front Organizations, And Propaganda Networks
47:16 Pulling Back The Curtain On Religious Power
51:54 JFK, Anti-Catholicism, And Militant Reorganization
56:05 Why The Same Religious Patterns Still Matter
______________________
Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962
Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K
______________________
– Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham
– Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ
– Visit the website: https://william-branham.org
– Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg
– Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham
– Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr
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00:00:31Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:00:35I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research
00:00:40at william-branham.org, and with me I have my co-host and friend, Bob Scott, former co-founder
00:00:46of the Kansas City Fellowship and the author of three books, the latest is Some Said They
00:00:50Blundered, Breaking My Decades of Silence on Mike Bickle, the Kansas City Prophets, and
00:00:55the International House of Prayer.
00:00:57Bob, it's good to finally be back.
00:00:59We've had so many things that have come up on the time slots we usually record, including
00:01:06some family emergencies and health emergencies, which I won't get into, but needless to say,
00:01:11everything is back to recording and normal and somewhat better.
00:01:17So glad to be back.
00:01:18The topic that you brought up for today is one that fascinates me, and our listeners, I think,
00:01:24you have a different set of listeners than some of the other hosts.
00:01:28I think this set of listeners would be crazy interested to hear more because of exactly
00:01:34what you just told me.
00:01:35Whenever I mention the word, the phrase, the clan, and I'm purposefully leaving out the
00:01:42other two Ks because YouTube likes to block those videos.
00:01:45So we'll call it the club in this podcast.
00:01:50There is a club that is one of the words, has the word clan in it, and there are two
00:01:56other Ks.
00:01:57I'll just say it like that.
00:01:58Triple Ks.
00:01:59Triple.
00:02:00And we'll call it the club in this podcast so it doesn't block it.
00:02:03The triple K club.
00:02:04Part of the reason why so many people aren't familiar with this is that I have trouble
00:02:09getting the research out because of exactly what I just said.
00:02:13I have released countless episodes, documents, things on Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, YouTube.
00:02:23And YouTube, the moment they see this, and this is an important part of American history,
00:02:29when they see that phrase, it gets blocked.
00:02:32And sometimes I've got platforms that entirely take the video down, so I can't even put it
00:02:37out.
00:02:38So that's why I'm using the word the club.
00:02:40Right.
00:02:41But the important thing to understand, and now that I know how to get around it by using
00:02:45the club, the important thing to get around and to understand is that a lot of people
00:02:52associate that phrase, acronym, word with just simply an issue between white people and
00:03:01black people.
00:03:02Right.
00:03:02It's racial.
00:03:03They frame it in a racial context.
00:03:05Exactly.
00:03:06And it isn't that.
00:03:07And it has really big significance in the state of Indiana, where I live, where William
00:03:13Branham was raised and where the latter reign, really, if you look at the heart of how it
00:03:19was birthed, a lot of it came from Indiana because of Branham.
00:03:23Right.
00:03:24So there's a lot we can discuss, but I think it is important.
00:03:27I've done it with some of the other hosts.
00:03:29I think all of them at this point.
00:03:31We talked about it to some extent, but we want to discuss today how the club, it was
00:03:37more of a religious movement than it was anything else.
00:03:40But it turned very nasty very quickly.
00:03:43Yeah.
00:03:44So just to give you guys some context here, I was explaining to John that I have had a
00:03:50little bit of difficulty connecting the dots with some of the connections he made between
00:03:58Ladder Reign and this club.
00:04:02And the reason being is because my perception of this particular organization was that it
00:04:12was based on being anti-African American.
00:04:16That was the focus of it.
00:04:18Where did I get that?
00:04:20Well, at my age, which I'm 69 years old, I grew up during the 1960s, right?
00:04:26Civil rights, Dr. King, all of it.
00:04:30And everything was framed in that context.
00:04:35And that club was always brought into the conversation.
00:04:40So I grew up my whole life thinking that the primary focus of the club was to keep black
00:04:47people down, right?
00:04:49To put them in their place, to keep them subservient, right?
00:04:53So I've always had this mentality.
00:04:56Well, the reason why this is important is I was telling him that I, for years, have done
00:05:02racial reconciliation.
00:05:03I've been involved in stuff all over the world.
00:05:05And I have a little seminar I used to do called Perception, Perspective Paradigm, meaning that
00:05:14the way our worldviews are shaped is that our five senses pick up data.
00:05:20They're like our little receptors.
00:05:22That's how we get our information, through our five senses.
00:05:25Well, what do we do with those five senses?
00:05:28How is it interpreted?
00:05:29Like, there's data that we get.
00:05:31Well, we have perceptions.
00:05:33Well, if you study sociology, you find out that your subculture, which is your family,
00:05:38your friends, your peers, they form that, they take that data and give you a perspective of
00:05:48what that means, right?
00:05:50So we all grow up thinking we're normal and this is how you view life.
00:05:55This is our perspective about a lot of different things.
00:05:57Because when those things become entrenched in a subculture to the point where it's like
00:06:03a set of rules, right?
00:06:05The unspoken rules.
00:06:06Well, that becomes a paradigm then.
00:06:07Like, it's locked in, right?
00:06:09And this stuff gets carried on.
00:06:12So here I am.
00:06:13I grew up during the 1960s.
00:06:16And I see the Klan always framed in this context of being a racially focused thing.
00:06:29I actually have a favorite little podcast that I listen to, which is two British guys
00:06:38that actually go back through history and they take various events and kind of break it down.
00:06:43So this is hilarious that I'm actually learning this from these British guys.
00:06:48But anyways, in listening to the podcast, I had some epiphanies that were like game-changing
00:06:55perspective changers for me, which finally helped me fill in some gaps.
00:07:00Because as I was telling John, I have been having a hard time getting my head around the
00:07:05fact that this particular religious movement, Ladder Reign and its key leaders were associated
00:07:13with this Triple K club, right?
00:07:16It's like, I didn't know that they hated black people.
00:07:21That was always like, huh, this is a big leap for me.
00:07:24So I love John.
00:07:26I trust him.
00:07:27I know he does his research.
00:07:29But in my own brain, because of my perceptions and perspectives, I was having a hard time connecting
00:07:35the dots here going, well, wait a minute, weren't there black people in these meetings?
00:07:39Like, wait a minute, like, how, I'm not, this is not fitting for me.
00:07:43Like, I felt like the puzzle piece that was, like puzzle pieces on a table that I couldn't
00:07:48connect until this podcast.
00:07:50And in this podcast, what happened was, is they opened up my mind to realize that the Klan,
00:08:01especially the Indiana version, was not created to be anti-black and have a racial element to
00:08:10it.
00:08:10It was focused on stopping Catholics from taking over America and Jewish people.
00:08:16It was religious.
00:08:18And that was such a shock to me.
00:08:20I was like, what?
00:08:22This is the first time.
00:08:23I'm 69 years old.
00:08:24This is the first time I'm ever hearing this.
00:08:26I had no idea.
00:08:27I've never heard anyone talk about this.
00:08:29It's always framed, even on TV, even today when you hear it.
00:08:33It's always framed in a racial context, right?
00:08:36And I'm like, what?
00:08:38And so then suddenly my brain starts racing ahead going, oh my gosh.
00:08:43And there was other events that I was too young to understand that suddenly start making
00:08:48sense.
00:08:48And I was telling John, it's like, I'm like curious about John Kennedy because I remember
00:08:53as a little boy, you know, when Kennedy got elected, I think I was three years old.
00:08:58And when he got killed, I was six, right?
00:09:00And then, but I remember there was this swirl around him.
00:09:04Well, he's the first Catholic president of the United States.
00:09:07I understand now why he was so controversial.
00:09:11It's like, we've never had this before.
00:09:13We're a Protestant nation.
00:09:15The Triple K Club was focused on keeping them at bay.
00:09:20It was like this war.
00:09:22And that was a kind of a, what do you call it?
00:09:25An aha moment for me.
00:09:27It was like, oh, okay.
00:09:30Now this is starting to make sense.
00:09:32You know, there's so much to tell.
00:09:34I'm going to be dropping random facts in this podcast almost at a machine gun scatter rate.
00:09:40But if you want to know the full history, you cannot contain it in one podcast.
00:09:45The Revival History Series, which is on the YouTube site, and I'm rearranging the website.
00:09:51Soon you'll be able to find it easier on the website.
00:09:53It contains about 60 episodes describing this.
00:09:58But the history of the latter rain movement, basically what birthed IHOPKC and what predated even latter rain,
00:10:06was so heavily influenced by this club that we're talking about.
00:10:10And if you're just now joining in on the podcast, we're purposefully using the word club for, I'll say it
00:10:17again, the club.
00:10:18So we don't get censored.
00:10:19So we don't get censored.
00:10:20There's so many times that you can say it before YouTube blocks as well.
00:10:24So we may have hit that limit at this point.
00:10:27But for the club, there are so many different details that tie it to the movement.
00:10:33The biggest of which is this.
00:10:35William Branham's mentor was the second in command of that club.
00:10:40From Indiana, the second in command in Indiana?
00:10:43No.
00:10:44Oh, in Atlanta.
00:10:45There's a long history you and I haven't talked about because it does relate to IHOPKC, Kansas City Fellowship,
00:10:52in that it is the history and the genealogy of the movement, if you will.
00:10:57But it is somewhat disconnected.
00:10:59So I'll just give you a five-minute broad overview.
00:11:03Yeah, that would be good because as I learned from listening to the podcast, there's three renditions of this club.
00:11:11We're talking about the second rendition, which was actually Rebirth in Atlanta, but then there was this split off, right?
00:11:19And they had a fight, a leadership fight, which is – so pick it up and kind of fill in
00:11:24the gaps for everyone.
00:11:25Yeah.
00:11:27So specifically, I'm talking about the second and the third iteration of the club.
00:11:32The first one was in, I think, Pulaski, Tennessee.
00:11:35Yeah, Tennessee.
00:11:36The 1800s.
00:11:38So William Branham –
00:11:51William Branham's mentor was from Texas, and he was from a place in Texas where it is well-known for
00:11:59issues, racial issues,
00:12:02and one of the highest lynching rates in Texas history, near Paris, Texas, I think is where it was.
00:12:09Which is where Branham's family also came from, we later learned in Branham's ministry.
00:12:15He was a bigamist, a – many, many different bad things that I – YouTube would also censor if I
00:12:23tell you everything that this guy did and was.
00:12:25Right, right.
00:12:26But long story short, he had a wife and children in Texas and rode the rails on a Christian revival
00:12:35circuit preaching the gospel
00:12:37and had his other wives in other places and basically was living dual lives.
00:12:43Right.
00:12:44And he got caught in Texas.
00:12:46When he got caught, it was a whole bag of worms because he was the second in command of the
00:12:53club.
00:12:53He was working directly with William Joseph Simmons, who founded the second iteration of the club.
00:13:00The Klan was disbanded in about 1921 or 22.
00:13:07There was a big congressional inquiry because it had turned into a domestic terrorist organization.
00:13:14Yeah.
00:13:14At that point in time –
00:13:15Political, too, right?
00:13:16They had a lot of political clout, so they were a threat politically.
00:13:20Exactly.
00:13:21What they determined was that they had invaded the United States.
00:13:26They had basically taken control of local and sometimes state governments.
00:13:31And so there was a congressional inquiry.
00:13:34At that point in time, William Branham's mentor, Roy E. Davis, was the official spokesperson for Simmons.
00:13:42And there was another name, William D. Upshaw, who was widely respected in the temperance movement.
00:13:51He's part of the reason why you can't buy alcohol in grocery stores on Sunday.
00:13:57He and his team swept through the United States.
00:13:59He was also deeply tied to William Branham.
00:14:02And he is the one who defended the club in Washington and kept it from being completely disbanded in the
00:14:10early 20s.
00:14:12But William Branham's mentor helped write the Constitution, the bylaws, basically helped establish the second iteration of the club.
00:14:23And from there, whenever the congressional inquiry basically said, you can't do what you're doing, what happened is the club
00:14:33splintered into different factions, the largest faction of which was Indiana, as you mentioned.
00:14:40Partially because one of the clans' agendas was the anti-Catholic position that they had.
00:14:46They saw Rome and Catholicism as an invasion of the United States.
00:14:51And the Pope was a bad man.
00:14:53The Pope was a bad man.
00:14:55And Notre Dame was in Indiana.
00:14:58And they saw that as basically the capital of Romanism.
00:15:02Yeah.
00:15:03That's in our backyard.
00:15:05The largest club in the history of the organization was Indiana.
00:15:11And there weren't that many black people in Indiana.
00:15:14It was mostly about the Catholics.
00:15:17But more than that, they saw it as they were trying to spread what they called true Americanism, which is
00:15:24interesting if you think of today's politics because they're using the same verbiage, lineage, and they're coming from the same
00:15:30roots that all of this grew and developed from.
00:15:33There was a moment in time, and this is the part where I'll stop dropping facts and hand it back
00:15:39to you.
00:15:39There was a moment in time when the leader of the club in Indiana was, they had taken control of
00:15:47the Indiana state government.
00:15:48They almost put a person in Washington who was one of their puppets.
00:15:53He wasn't really in any way affiliated with the Klan, but the Klan, the club controlled him.
00:16:00And it was at that point that it was learned that this head of the organization in Indiana was seeing
00:16:07mistresses, was drinking heavily, had cannibalized a person.
00:16:12Yeah.
00:16:12I learned all that.
00:16:14I was like, whoa, these are some nutty people.
00:16:17It was in complete disarray.
00:16:19That is the moment whenever Roy E. Davis migrated to this area and planted my grandfather's church.
00:16:28Wow, that's so fascinating.
00:16:31Well, you know, I'm an author, so from an integrity point of view, I think it's always important to cite
00:16:38your references.
00:16:39So, what I failed to mention was, well, it was the podcast that I listened to where I got all
00:16:47this information.
00:16:47And the podcast is called The Rest is History.
00:16:51And it's two British guys, and they literally, every week, go through some great story in history.
00:16:57And I just absolutely am a history fanatic.
00:17:01Like, I just, I'm so fascinated by human behavior and how things are happening.
00:17:06And what happens, the hard part about being somebody that loves history is that you sit there and you look
00:17:14at your TV and go,
00:17:16oh, my God, do these people not realize we already did this 70 years ago?
00:17:20Did they not realize we already tried that 100 years ago?
00:17:23Like, this doesn't work.
00:17:27It's so frustrating.
00:17:28And then you realize why, you know, when my kids were coming up through the education system, they weren't taught
00:17:35history.
00:17:36Or what they were taught was so dumbed down, it's unbelievable how little the millennial kids actually understand about what's
00:17:44going on.
00:17:44Like, all this detail that you have, nobody was ever taught any of this, right?
00:17:49And so they have no context to the fact that, hey, do you not understand we already did this in
00:17:54the 1920s?
00:17:55We're just repeating something again?
00:17:57And history's, you know, it's like history just keeps going in these cycles, and the only thing that changes is
00:18:03the character in the play, right?
00:18:04It's like a Shakespeare play that was written in the 1500s, and everybody keeps doing the same play, only we
00:18:11have different actors.
00:18:12And it's like, oh my gosh, that's what happens when you become a historian, and you're just going, oh God.
00:18:19Same play, different actors.
00:18:21So, moving on, now that I feel better that I told everyone where I was having this epiphany from,
00:18:31the second piece of this that just blew my mind was they talked about the fact there were at least,
00:18:39I think they said 40,000, we'll just say tens of thousands of Methodist ministers that were a part of
00:18:46the club.
00:18:49So, again, here I am kind of going, wait a minute, I thought this was an anomaly.
00:18:56Like, again, because you're shaping it over here as it's a racial thing,
00:19:00therefore there shouldn't be any church people involved in this, or if there are, it's got to be rare.
00:19:04And when they drop this, the fact that, wait a minute, the Methodist church is intimately involved in this,
00:19:11you kind of go, what?
00:19:14But again, when you start thinking through the context of this, there's a couple pieces to this.
00:19:22One, again, when you realize it's anti-Catholic, you can understand why a Protestant organization
00:19:28would feel threatened by the influence of Catholic politicians, Catholic civic leaders, right?
00:19:35In other words, they would see that as, how do you want to say, it's almost like the Reformation again,
00:19:42right?
00:19:42It's this, only it's reverse Reformation, and where the Protestants are in charge,
00:19:46and now the Catholics are going to come take over, right?
00:19:48So it's almost like another kind of Reformation, and they're trying to basically keep this contained, right?
00:19:57But the other thing that people may not connect the dots with is the Methodists were very strong in Kentucky.
00:20:05In fact, if you know anything about church history, there's a phrase called the circuit riders.
00:20:12And the circuit riders were predominantly Methodist guys on horseback that would travel from,
00:20:20you know, you talk about the moonshine and the hollow, right?
00:20:23All these little villages and towns back in these little mountains in the Appalachians.
00:20:28Well, these Methodist ministers would get on their horses and travel
00:20:32and maybe do five or six church services in a day, right?
00:20:37Because they were too small to have their own pastor or whatever,
00:20:41so they were on the road.
00:20:43And so you have, again, connection to Bram here with his Kentucky roots, right?
00:20:51So you've got this heavy-influenced Methodist Kentucky area with these circuit riders,
00:20:59and what are they doing?
00:21:01They're trying to make sure the Catholics don't make inroads into Kentucky and Indiana
00:21:05and all this kind of stuff.
00:21:07And to your point, they already had with Notre Dame.
00:21:10Notre Dame is like the equivalent of Rome.
00:21:13It's like, oh, my God, the enemy has now got a fort in our Protestant state, right?
00:21:20And so you can understand if that's your worldview, right?
00:21:22If that's your perspective, you can understand then how all these people would then suddenly go,
00:21:29wait a minute, we're at war here, right?
00:21:32This is a threat.
00:21:34We've got to stop this.
00:21:35And so that was the second piece of this.
00:21:38And then I'll give you a third piece, which I was telling John, what I didn't grasp until listening to
00:21:46these podcasts
00:21:47was, again, we think of the Klan, because of the way it's been shaped for us on TV and in
00:21:54movies,
00:21:54that this is a violent organization lynching black people, and that's what they do mostly.
00:22:01Well, that's actually not true.
00:22:04What it was was a civic organization very similar to the Elks Club, the Kiwanis Club,
00:22:10like all these civic organizations that we may or may not belong to,
00:22:16they were tied into, and what's even interesting, and you can probably shed some light on this,
00:22:21was they were very connected to the Masons, right?
00:22:25And there was a little bit of a battle going on between the Triple K Club and the Masons,
00:22:31because the Masons go back to the Revolutionary War days, right?
00:22:35And they were the big predominant sort of club that all the judges and business guys and big civic leaders
00:22:44all joined.
00:22:45And suddenly now there's this other club, right?
00:22:48And people are joining them.
00:22:49So there was this weird tension between these two organizations, right, for dominance.
00:22:55But when we think of the Klan, we're thinking of guys in white hoods, burning crosses, and lynching black people,
00:23:05when in Indiana, this is picnics, parties, carnivals.
00:23:09It's like everybody's having a blast, and everybody belongs to it,
00:23:13because that's how you do business and make relationships,
00:23:16like you do when you join an organization now.
00:23:20So that suddenly makes sense to me, suddenly, why you'd have so many pastors, people like Branham,
00:23:29you know, Pentecostal churches, all be a part of the Klan, or the Triple K Club, as we say, right?
00:23:36Because they're not looking at this as evil.
00:23:40They think they're doing good.
00:23:42So some more scattering of random facts.
00:23:44And I'll begin with, my grandfather was a Methodist minister.
00:23:47Okay, well, there you go.
00:23:49That makes even more connection.
00:23:52But the thing to understand, and there's really not enough time in this podcast to show the sheer complexity of
00:24:00it,
00:24:01but you did have all of these fraternal organizations, like you mentioned, the Masons.
00:24:05You had a whole variety of these things.
00:24:09And it was common back then, so common that the Flintstones have the Order of the Water Buffaloes.
00:24:16And that's why you had that in the Flintstones.
00:24:19Put the big hat, the horn.
00:24:23Exactly.
00:24:24You had to be the grand poobah.
00:24:25His whole outfit, right?
00:24:27You did have all of that.
00:24:28But these guys created the notion that we needed a Christian version of this.
00:24:35So what happened was you had a group of men.
00:24:39I can't remember how many were the original for the second iteration.
00:24:43I think it was seven men or 14 men.
00:24:46Anyway, among those original people, they defined the Constitution.
00:24:51And I've got a copy of it on the website.
00:24:53You can read it.
00:24:54They defined it as a Christian fraternal organization.
00:24:58But they wanted to create it with the same mystic feel as some of the other fraternal organizations.
00:25:04That's why you have some of the strange names of the different people who are in the tiers, right?
00:25:09So they've got all of this presented to the people as a Christian organization.
00:25:14To your point about the funny names, these guys are going through the list of the names.
00:25:19And they're laughing so hard they can't hold it together.
00:25:23Because these names of these different levels are absolutely freaking ridiculous.
00:25:29I mean, it's comical.
00:25:31Like, you're sitting there going, are you sure this isn't a comedy sketch here?
00:25:35But this was, like, real, to your point.
00:25:38But the idea, the reason why they did that is, much like the Flintstones, they wanted to make it fun.
00:25:43It was supposed to be fun, Christian, and fraternal.
00:25:47We want our own fraternal organization that's Christian.
00:25:50What happened was, much like many of the cults that we examine on the website,
00:25:55because you had leadership who really, they were calling it Christian,
00:25:58they were framing it as Christianity,
00:26:01but some of the people who were leading it weren't really Christian.
00:26:05Roy E. Davis being chief among them.
00:26:07I mean, while he's writing this Constitution and bringing his wife to this thing,
00:26:12he's got another wife back in Texas.
00:26:13And he's got young women.
00:26:16I'll just say it like that and keep it YouTube clean.
00:26:19Young women that there's some inappropriate things happening.
00:26:22I'll just say it like that.
00:26:24Yeah, lots of inappropriate things, though.
00:26:26It's not a little bit.
00:26:27It's a lot, right?
00:26:28There's a whole steamy underbelly to this thing.
00:26:32It was horrendous.
00:26:35So you had people who weren't really Christian who were leading it and swaying the policies.
00:26:40And at the same time you had this being birthed, it became widely popular.
00:26:44It turned into a cult.
00:26:47It was a movement, much like some of the other movements, that turned into a cult.
00:26:52While you're part of this cult, it became dangerous to defy it.
00:26:57So in some of the cities, if you were doing something that opposed the local guy running for sheriff, for
00:27:05example,
00:27:05and the sheriff was part of this club, well, you might have people at your door beating you up
00:27:10because you voted for the other guy.
00:27:11That's how bad this got.
00:27:12And that's why the Congressional Inquiry, because they were trying to stop the idea that an organization can become so
00:27:22large in the United States
00:27:24that it can sit outside of the government and actually control the government from underneath.
00:27:29And that's what was happening with this movement.
00:27:31Wasn't there a musical like in the 1960s?
00:27:34I think it was called The Music Man.
00:27:36Didn't it take place in Indiana?
00:27:38But the guy, it's about a con man, right?
00:27:42And the reason why this is interesting to me is because when you start unpacking this,
00:27:49what you realize is these guys that you're talking about that are leading this,
00:27:53they're not actually Christian.
00:27:55What they're building is a multi-level marketing organization because they're all getting super wealthy
00:28:02because you have to pay memberships and you get recruiting fees.
00:28:07So when you bring somebody in, you get a slice of their, like everybody got a piece of the dollar,
00:28:13right?
00:28:14And so there was a motivation to recruit people.
00:28:17But the people at the top were all con men.
00:28:20They were, in other words, they were using a particular religious and slash we'll call it civic issues to make
00:28:30money.
00:28:31They actually hired two people to do marketing.
00:28:35That was the whole thing, right?
00:28:37They actually, this is, so this is so funny because I'm listening to this going,
00:28:41oh my God, this is Christianity 1980s.
00:28:44Because I've talked about this in previous podcasts where in the 1980s there was a whole movement of business consultants
00:28:54that came back into the church world and took all the marketing principles from the business world
00:28:58and just put religious words on it and we all got church growth seminars.
00:29:04And where you see all of the marketing and the, I call it the perception game that is the, the
00:29:13mega church world, right?
00:29:14It's all based on what happened in the 1980s when there was a big shift away from local congregations,
00:29:23you know, where you had a pastor and it was family and there was two of these big massive institutions
00:29:30with millions of dollars and a celebrity, a star, television, radio, you know, this,
00:29:38that was exactly what they were doing in the 1920s.
00:29:42So here, here, so put this into context for people.
00:29:46One third of every male in the state of Indiana was a member of the club.
00:29:54So again, this is not an isolated, radical, extremist group like we all think.
00:30:03Yes, some of the people that were involved were kind of crazy and criminal,
00:30:07but the average person that was involved in this wasn't, wasn't necessarily somebody that was radical.
00:30:14They were just regular families, people raising their kids,
00:30:18trying to be a part of a town or a village or a city and have friends and hang out
00:30:23together.
00:30:24So the people at the lower levels probably weren't as engaged as people at the higher levels in the ideology
00:30:32realm,
00:30:33which is pretty typical even now with the political parties, right?
00:30:36It's like, it's the people at the top that are all the ones spouting the ideology.
00:30:42Well, most people down at the bottom are sort of like bobbleheads, you know, it's like, okay.
00:30:46But yeah, and so that's really fascinating to me because now it starts making sense to me
00:30:52why the latter rain movement would have been connected to this
00:30:57because I was having a hard time understanding the why.
00:31:01Like, why would this group of people want to be associated with such a racially motivated organization
00:31:10that's full of hate, right?
00:31:13When you bring it around and go, wait a minute,
00:31:15they're against a particular religious organization called the Catholics
00:31:20and they're against Judaism and then you go, oh, right?
00:31:25Now, you know, I mean, people may or not, may not be aware of this,
00:31:32but the founder of the modern mass production system and the founder of Ford Motor Company,
00:31:39Henry Ford, was a virulent anti-Semite.
00:31:43And there was a whole pamphlet that went around.
00:31:46I called something called the Elders of Zion or something.
00:31:49It was a whole, like he was like passing that all around to his friends.
00:31:53So this whole concept of this was not just, again, fringe people.
00:32:00These are some of the major people in our country.
00:32:04The next step to this, of course, is the whole concept, racial purity.
00:32:09So that's where some of the, you know, the racism enters into this thing.
00:32:17But again, it's based on Darwin and the whole, what do you call it?
00:32:25That's not entropy.
00:32:25What's the word that, for racial purity, that the philosophy begins with an E anyways.
00:32:31It was Darwin's cousin that started this, right?
00:32:35That we need to have, you know, a pure race of people,
00:32:39which was, that was happening simultaneously in the 1920s.
00:32:43Woodrow Wilson was a major proponent of it, right?
00:32:47Right?
00:32:48And what you end up finding out is that there's a connection
00:32:51between Woodrow Wilson and the Klan, or the club, I should say.
00:32:57Have you ever wondered how the Pentecostal movement started,
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00:33:57So I'm going to scatterbomb you with a few more random facts,
00:34:00but I'm going to bring the timeline forward to what you're talking about with latter reign.
00:34:03So to get from the point I was talking about before into latter reign,
00:34:09Roy Davis moves into this area.
00:34:11He plants the church that became my grandfather's church,
00:34:14William Branham's Branham Tabernacle.
00:34:16There were many elders in the movement in that tabernacle who were Masons,
00:34:22and I've got that research on the website.
00:34:25Branham himself said the Klan saved my life, Masons.
00:34:28So he was saying that they were Klan and Masons connecting the two.
00:34:32Well, Davis gets caught and arrested right off the platform in a revival
00:34:38because of a young girl, 16 years old, I think,
00:34:42that he had carried across state lines for apparent purposes that he denied.
00:34:47I'll just say it like that and keep it clean.
00:34:49To a young girl he later married on the West Coast.
00:34:54So he gets caught.
00:34:56He escapes that but gets caught for something else down in Little Rock.
00:35:04I think it was Little Rock in Arkansas near where later the Assemblies of God would be formed, etc.
00:35:11Well, he gets arrested.
00:35:13He goes to prison for a period of time, re-emerges in the Los Angeles area.
00:35:20He actually planted a church or became pastor of a church in San Bernardino.
00:35:26They create an orphanage scheme, which was something that the Klan did often during the years when they went underground.
00:35:33They would create a front.
00:35:35The front would fund the organization, and then they would grow and develop, spread, etc.
00:35:42His front was connecting donations, and there were two sets of accounting books.
00:35:47All of that is in the court trial that came out.
00:35:50William D. Upshaw, who I mentioned saved the Klan during the second iteration in the 20s,
00:35:55moves out here with him and set up a Department of Americanism for these orphanages,
00:36:02which is basically advertising, we are the club.
00:36:05That was really all that was.
00:36:08The whole thing gets caught, overturned whenever some wealthy donor figured out,
00:36:12hey, my funds aren't supporting the children.
00:36:14What's happening with it?
00:36:16There's a huge court trial.
00:36:18But this is at a period of time that is critical to several things that we've mentioned in other podcasts.
00:36:25Eugenics was one of the words you're looking for.
00:36:29However, this came after the second Klan was formed, but think of the breeding ground.
00:36:37The Klan basically spread the ideology.
00:36:40Now all of these other ideologies that were similar started to creep in.
00:36:45One of them was eugenics.
00:36:47The other one, which you mentioned, Henry Ford, the Anglo-Saxon Federation was in cahoots with this organization
00:36:55in spreading the protocols of the learned elders of Zion.
00:37:00They started printing it right in the Henry Ford's Dearborn Independent magazine.
00:37:08And they published one of the most anti-Semitic documents, International Jew.
00:37:14And the International Jew was published.
00:37:17It was spread.
00:37:17It was propaganda.
00:37:18But this propaganda machine caught on.
00:37:21So fast forward just a bit further.
00:37:24Now the third iteration of the club is being formed.
00:37:28And it starts actually in California.
00:37:31History doesn't record that properly because they missed the whole Roy Davis thing.
00:37:35Davis is funding it through this organization.
00:37:38Then you have other leaders who would join into this.
00:37:43One of them is Wesley Swift, a name that I've mentioned.
00:37:46Big Christian identity guy who was trained in Amy Semple McPherson's Life Tabernacle.
00:37:52The Klan helps Amy get out of her kidnapping scheme that she had done to cover up her sexual misconduct.
00:38:01The Klan comes and helps her.
00:38:03Well, she gets in bed with Gerald Burton Windrod, who we've mentioned, who is helping to spread the protocols of
00:38:12the learned elders of Zion.
00:38:14His organization starts working with Charles Fuller, who founded the Fuller Theological Seminary, from which John Wimber and others, C.
00:38:23Peter Wagner, were in.
00:38:23And she has Gerald Burton Windrod occupy her pulpit during times whenever she said she was unavailable, one of which
00:38:33was the very Sunday after the Night of Broken Glass.
00:38:38And they were strongly vehemently against what most of the American citizens were saying about Germany.
00:38:46They actually supported Germany in some cases, and that apparently was one of the cases.
00:38:50Yeah, that's one of those, what do they call that, uncomfortable truths in American history that people are not really
00:38:57taught.
00:38:58There was a whole part of our country that absolutely thought Hitler was the bee's knees, as they say, right?
00:39:04He was the future.
00:39:05Exactly.
00:39:06What's like that with any cult, you have, whenever you're taught that the propaganda they're spreading is Christian,
00:39:13and you're taught ways to defend that version of Christianity, it becomes your ideology, and you'll fight to the death
00:39:21over your ideology.
00:39:22Well, that was happening.
00:39:23It wasn't until after the Holocaust that people started saying, wait a minute, this was not quite right, what I
00:39:28was doing.
00:39:28Yeah, that's really interesting.
00:39:31You know what?
00:39:32I think if I ever got inside your brain, it would look like one of those giant libraries that you
00:39:39see where you've got to get up on a ladder to get way up there.
00:39:42It's like your brain is filled with just volumes of cool facts.
00:39:47You know what I mean?
00:39:48Now, I'll give you something, and you can keep it in or cut it out.
00:39:52But, you know, one of the things that people now probably would not comprehend, because it's such an offense to
00:40:01us in our modern world,
00:40:02but old guys with young girls was not weird in early 1900s America.
00:40:13Being with one that's not married, that was the problem, right?
00:40:17That was kind of the line.
00:40:18And the reason I bring this up is people may not be aware of this, but Grover Cleveland, who was
00:40:24president of the United States, actually married his ward.
00:40:28And what I mean by that was is he had a very close friend who told him, hey, if I
00:40:34should die, take my daughter and raise her, which he did, right?
00:40:39And then he married her.
00:40:40And she was like 30 years younger than he was.
00:40:44And they all loved her in Washington.
00:40:46And nobody thought it was weird.
00:40:48So, you know, the president of the United States, like, you know, who's in his 50s with a young 20
00:40:53-year-old, you know, running around Washington.
00:40:56And nobody cared.
00:40:58That continued in the South.
00:41:00My mother used to go across the street and play with this young girl.
00:41:04I can't remember her age.
00:41:06Might have been 13 or 14.
00:41:07And she would go up into the treehouse and play with the little dolls.
00:41:11They weren't Barbie back then.
00:41:13And while the little girl's husband went to work to pay for her treehouse, that's how, that's how, and, you
00:41:20know, I look back and I think that's just disgusting because we've been taught that it's disgusting.
00:41:25And, you know, to some extent, I do believe it's disgusting.
00:41:28But back then, everybody had a different frame of mind.
00:41:30Well, it's kind of like, you know, the concept of normal, you know, I love when people say normal because
00:41:37my brain always starts going, okay, like, what do you mean normal?
00:41:42Right?
00:41:42Because it's like a, you know, it's like a, like when you're looking at a video and you take the
00:41:47little thing and you want to go back and listen to something, you take the little bar and go back.
00:41:51Well, history is like that.
00:41:52Well, over here at this particular time, this is normal, right?
00:41:57But then if you like take your little thing and go back a hundred years, that very thing that you
00:42:02think is normal is absolutely disgusting or it's the other way around, right?
00:42:08It's like women in the 1920s, if they saw the beach with women in bikinis, they would be absolutely horrified.
00:42:16Like every woman on a beach would be considered, would be called a name, a very disgusting name in modern
00:42:23America if you interpret it through the lens of somebody from 1920, right?
00:42:28Things in 1920 that were normal are now disgusting for us.
00:42:33And so I always find that concept of normal kind of an interesting word because it has to be contextualized.
00:42:40Well, what was normal when?
00:42:42And it's not only on a timeline, it's also in culture.
00:42:46So these are some of the things why I think it's important we have these kind of conversations because when
00:42:52you make connections like with this, you know, this group to these religious people, if we don't contextualize it, you
00:43:00completely misunderstand what's actually going on here.
00:43:03Not realizing that everybody's mind, this is perfectly normal.
00:43:07We're all having a blast, right?
00:43:09And we're not lynching anybody.
00:43:11It has nothing to do.
00:43:13Like never even thought about that.
00:43:14What we're really scared of is we're scared of those people up there in North Indiana who've got a foothold
00:43:20in our state, right?
00:43:22And they're going to bring a religion here we don't really want, right?
00:43:26And then, right?
00:43:27And again, if people understand geography, what's right near Indiana?
00:43:32What's just south of Ohio?
00:43:34Kentucky, right?
00:43:36Probably the epicenter of Methodism in American culture, right?
00:43:42And why is the Methodist, right?
00:43:44So it's all these little connections that you start realizing, oh, wait a minute here, right?
00:43:50The thing that I find fascinating about all this is how something's changing and yet it's the same, right?
00:43:58And it's like, wow, we've got all these organizations where you've got a bunch of con men at the top,
00:44:03you know, trying to make a lot of money.
00:44:06And they have all these wonderful things they're saying and preaching and whatever.
00:44:10But it's really all about the money.
00:44:13And it's like the ideology is a means to an end, right?
00:44:20And the reason why I bring this up is because I have seen this all over the world in the
00:44:26not-for-profit world.
00:44:27I have my own organization that I've worked with in Africa.
00:44:31And I cannot believe how many people that are in the not-for-profit organization actually could care less about
00:44:39the people that they're raising money for.
00:44:41What it's all about really is making money.
00:44:46I had a dear friend.
00:44:48This is, again, a sidebar here.
00:44:50I have a dear friend who created a homeless shelter in Aurora, Illinois.
00:44:55And I love this guy dearly.
00:44:57Well, he calls me one day and goes, you're not going to believe this, but they asked me to head
00:45:02up a big civic not-for-profit organization in Washington, D.C.
00:45:07I said to him, go, Ryan, be careful, buddy.
00:45:10I don't think you realize what you're getting yourself into.
00:45:13He was thinking it was a promotion.
00:45:15You know, it's like, oh, my God, I'm going to actually go to Washington and make a difference, right?
00:45:19Because he's like a local pastor in a city helping people every day who are homeless and hungry, right?
00:45:26Then he goes to Washington, and he lasts two years.
00:45:30And he's back at the homeless shelter, and I go, what happened?
00:45:34He goes, nobody actually cares about the poor here.
00:45:38It's all about how much money I can make at this organization.
00:45:42He goes, there's no loyalty.
00:45:44Everybody's flying around, hopping organizations.
00:45:49It's like the whole thing the poor are a means to an end.
00:45:52It's not really about caring for people.
00:45:55And so I feel that way sometimes when I get into certain aspects of the church world.
00:46:00That's why I'm a huge fan of local church pastors who are down there in the trenches day in and
00:46:08day out
00:46:09with a group of people that they care deeply about, and they're involved in their cities.
00:46:13And I have a hard time with the megachurch mindset, the television programs, and the marketing side of this whole
00:46:22ministry world
00:46:23where you're using Christianity as a means to another end, which is to increase your standard of living.
00:46:33And I call it living large, right?
00:46:36They want to live a large life.
00:46:38And the truth of it is, all those people sitting out there are a means to their end.
00:46:44Right?
00:46:45Just like what we're talking about this club, right?
00:46:47It all sounds great until you realize the guys at top are all con men.
00:46:52They're the music man from, you know, what is it?
00:46:55River City.
00:46:56I'm trying to remember the melodies, right?
00:46:58There's a song, Gary, Indiana, that's in there.
00:47:00Yes, that's right.
00:47:02So it's starting to come back to me.
00:47:03But I remember that as a kid, right?
00:47:05And I'm thinking when I was listening to all this, I was like, wait a minute.
00:47:08I think there's a movie about this.
00:47:09Now, one very fascinating piece of this, which you and I should probably explore at some point.
00:47:15But you know what famous novel came out around the same time?
00:47:21Wizard of Oz.
00:47:23Oh, yeah.
00:47:24Right?
00:47:24And one of the discussions is, is the Wizard of Oz have in it, like is he, you know, because
00:47:34he's, there's all kinds of moral truths in the Wizard of Oz, like underneath this, right?
00:47:38But it's from this, you know, even though it takes place in Kansas, it's all about this
00:47:44world.
00:47:44And it's like, well, wait a minute.
00:47:46Is he really going after these wizards, right?
00:47:51I got to go to the, don't, and what was my favorite line for the movie?
00:47:55Don't mind the man behind the curtain, right?
00:48:01And, and that, and so my, you know, everybody thinks Dorothy's the head of the show, right?
00:48:06You know who my favorite character is?
00:48:09Toto.
00:48:10Because what does Toto do?
00:48:11He's like, we're Toto.
00:48:13He pulls the curtain back, right?
00:48:15And what's behind the great wizard?
00:48:18It's these feeble little men, right?
00:48:21Who are all trying to pretend there's something bigger than they really are, right?
00:48:27And that's what ends up as you're pointing out, and we have to be very careful here because
00:48:31these are not just feeble little men behind the curtain.
00:48:35These are very gross men, like they do some disgusting things to women.
00:48:41It's like gross.
00:48:42And yet, here they are ahead of this civic organization that's saving America, right?
00:48:49And from these, you know, this religious influx of Catholics, right?
00:48:55So, and of course, for people that want to understand American history, Catholicism, like
00:49:02so many other things, came through the East Coast, and the Irish were very, you know, very
00:49:08strongly Catholic, right?
00:49:09Some parts of Germany were.
00:49:11So, you know, you'll see Boston, and Rhode Island was a Catholic colony, right?
00:49:16So, it was there from the beginning, it just was kind of small and insignificant, and over
00:49:23time, it kept growing and growing, and then, in the early 1900s, what were the two biggest
00:49:29groups of people that immigrated to America?
00:49:33Irish people and Italians, who were what?
00:49:37Diehard Catholics, right?
00:49:40So, now you've got, you know, you've got that whole dynamic.
00:49:45So, you can see why this group of people is feeling threatened, because the U.S. government
00:49:50now has just brought in a whole bunch.
00:49:53Wait, does this sound familiar?
00:49:55A hundred years later, and it's the same thing all over again, only a different group of people
00:50:00this time, right?
00:50:01It sounds really familiar.
00:50:02And, in fact, it's more familiar than you know, because I have written this book, Preacher
00:50:08Behind the White Hoods, that talks about many of the random facts that I'm putting out today.
00:50:13There's a reason why this book exists, and it isn't what people think.
00:50:17I had a YouTube site.
00:50:19It was called Seek the Truth.
00:50:22That was my first YouTube site.
00:50:24And, basically, I had all of these random facts published, and I had collected enough that
00:50:29I started doing a docu-series, and I was heading up to about what I was, to the point in
00:50:34time
00:50:34that I'm about to say, and I got an onslaught of attack.
00:50:39I actually lost the YouTube site, and so I've had to be very careful.
00:50:43When I lost the site, this is a funny story I've told once before, I was distraught, because
00:50:49I was that close to just walking away and never talking about this again.
00:50:53It was my exit strategy, and they brought down my exit strategy.
00:50:58So, I'm sitting in a hotel at probably 3 a.m. on a wedding anniversary, and the thought
00:51:05hit me, well, I have the video files, and I know software, so I cracked into the code
00:51:11behind the video files.
00:51:13I got the – there was a transcript bar running at the bottom, so I got the X and Y
00:51:19coordinates
00:51:20of the transcript bar, ripped the text out of it, and programmatically wrote this book.
00:51:26This is a programmatically –
00:51:27You're such a spy.
00:51:28You're a spy.
00:51:30Yeah.
00:51:30So, this is a programmatically written book.
00:51:33I did have to clean it up.
00:51:34With all the data that you did on the –
00:51:36Yeah.
00:51:36Oh, wow.
00:51:37But it's got all the references.
00:51:39You can go see where I –
00:51:40Oh, my goodness.
00:51:41You know, where I put everything in.
00:51:42Anyway –
00:51:43So, it gets into the why behind a lot of things, which is really important.
00:51:49And it comes full circle to what you asked earlier, JFK.
00:51:54This was significant.
00:51:56Yeah, explain JFK, because, again, people may not understand.
00:51:59We never had a Catholic president.
00:52:01The scary part about this is, if you look at – and I also can't mention the names in
00:52:06this, or YouTube also blocks me.
00:52:08Right.
00:52:08But look at some of the previous elections, and you see the same exact thing happening
00:52:12in a different way with different people, but it's the same thing.
00:52:16So, Kennedy comes into candidacy, and it just – there's this sudden outcry from all of
00:52:24the Pentecostals, the fundamentalists.
00:52:27Everybody hates this guy.
00:52:28Why?
00:52:28Because he is a Catholic, and he's supporting civil rights.
00:52:33Everything that the club stands against, he's fighting for, at a time whenever there was
00:52:40this push by the government to enforce the integration of races in schools.
00:52:46The law had already been passed, but there were so many people fighting it, they hadn't
00:52:50actually done it.
00:52:51So, Kennedy's coming into power.
00:52:53William Branham's mentor, Roy Davis, and Wesley Swift, who I mentioned earlier, out of
00:52:58Angeles Temple, Life Bible College.
00:53:00Right.
00:53:01They joined forces in Little Rock, Arkansas, during the Little Rock 9 event.
00:53:06I've got all the FBI documents on my website.
00:53:08At Woolworths.
00:53:08Yeah.
00:53:10They are trying to reestablish a militant version of the Klan, and succeeded.
00:53:16Fast forward just a little bit, all of this moves down into Texas and Louisiana, and this
00:53:22is basically the rebirth of what was created in 1915.
00:53:27Davis actually mentions this.
00:53:29He becomes the Imperial Wizard.
00:53:31He is now so high level in the group that he's almost untouchable.
00:53:39According to the FBI documents that I have, there were so many people who had infiltrated
00:53:45the politics, the government, the FBI, the police force.
00:53:49You can't really determine who's who.
00:53:53One of the detectives found that the Wanted for Treason posters of JFK was published by
00:53:59William Branham, his mentor, Roy Davis, on his printing presses.
00:54:05And so, these printing presses were widely used, distributed.
00:54:07You had so many different things happening that was related to the fundamentalist, anti-Catholicism,
00:54:19Christian motivation behind the movement.
00:54:22The Davis becomes more and more outspoken, and suddenly it enters into the movement that
00:54:27JFK is today's Ahab, and Jacqueline is today's Jezebel.
00:54:33So, we had Ahab and Jezebel, and once they get into the White House, this is horrendous.
00:54:38JFK comes down into Texas.
00:54:41There are some, there's one FBI report that actually names William Branham's mentor as a
00:54:46shooter.
00:54:47Wow.
00:54:48I don't think that happened, but there's enough.
00:54:51But he wasn't sorry to see him get assassinated, let's put it that way.
00:54:55He wasn't sorry, and he was helping to incite all of the anger against JFK that could have
00:55:01likely caused it.
00:55:02So, are you familiar with the story of how JFK, how they got over the hump so he could become
00:55:09president with votes?
00:55:11And for people that may not be aware of this, JFK's father, Joe Kennedy, made his money as
00:55:18a bootlegger, an Irish bootlegger during Prohibition, right?
00:55:23He made a deal with the Ohio mob.
00:55:29Again, who are the Ohio mob?
00:55:32Catholic Italians.
00:55:34And so, the mob was the one that ended up getting him over the hump, so he won the state
00:55:40of Ohio.
00:55:41And so, that was always been one of the things that swirled around behind the whole JFK assassination,
00:55:49because then they go after the mob after he becomes president, and so there's always been
00:55:54these theories that maybe it was the mob that did it, right?
00:55:57Which it seems that wasn't necessarily the case.
00:55:59But nonetheless, again, we're back down to this religious thing.
00:56:05It's so interesting to me, because underneath some of these historical stories, it's about
00:56:11religion, right?
00:56:13It's, and where I can circle this back to today, it's the same problem that we're seeing
00:56:20in the Middle East right now on television, where everything's being presented as this
00:56:27political thing, and it's all about nations and whatever, and people don't understand that
00:56:32when we took out Saddam Hussein after 9-11, we got ourselves in the middle of a 1700-year-old
00:56:40religious war that's been going on with Islam, like we stuck our nose in the middle of something
00:56:46that's been going on for centuries, and still going on, and a lot of what you're seeing
00:56:52presented on television, underneath, they're not really telling you that there's tribal wars
00:56:58going on, and things that have been going on for hundreds of years are actually in play
00:57:03right now, and that story never gets told, and that's why I think it's always important
00:57:10when we're looking at things on the surface, or being told with things, you got to go kind
00:57:17of another level, and you got to always ask, what's the spiritual dynamics here?
00:57:21What are the religious dynamics?
00:57:23The secular press doesn't ever want to talk about it, unless it's against something, right?
00:57:30You know, particularly anti-Christian at the moment, but I'm just saying, they don't want
00:57:35to get, go there, but yet it's there, it's infiltrated everything, you can't disconnect
00:57:42the religious worldviews, even in modern America right now, it's, you know what I mean?
00:57:49So it's kind of like this whole concept, and I've said this to people for years, that you
00:57:54started to get caught in the church world as, there's a secular, and there's a sacred,
00:58:00there's the, this and this, and what, and while that may be true on the surface, underneath
00:58:06these two things are absolutely integrated, you can't separate them, and they are influential
00:58:12in all kinds of worldviews, and how people think, and how they vote, and all kinds of stuff.
00:58:17Exactly.
00:58:19In fact, there are key figures in power right now, who are part of policy, that if you question
00:58:26those key figures, and even if you say things about them, they start coming to your door.
00:58:32So I can't even, I can't even really go deeply, but I will say some of those people are tied
00:58:36to this research that I'm talking about.
00:58:38The other thing that I'll say, you mentioned the mob, which is kind of funny, because remember
00:58:42back in the Indiana time period that I'm talking about, when Roy Davis comes in, he's arrested
00:58:48off the platform, Branham's right here, Branham's family was also in the mob, they were part of
00:58:54the distribution of liquor.
00:58:56So this whole thing comes to weird connections and circles that are just spiraling as time goes
00:59:01on.
00:59:02I had a kind of an aha moment with a group of people, they had called me to talk about
00:59:06my book, you know, about IHOP, right?
00:59:09And I've never told anyone, I hardly told anyone this, but I actually had written the
00:59:14book six years earlier.
00:59:16A lot of people, I mean, most people's perception was that this happened, therefore I went and
00:59:23told my story, and I wrote it after the events had happened.
00:59:27Actually, that's not true.
00:59:28What was happening was, it was during COVID, I wasn't doing much, and my children didn't
00:59:36know my story, and so I decided what I was going to do was tell them my story, and then
00:59:42when I died, I was going to give it to them with my, you know, when they were reading my
00:59:46will, I go, here's your dad's story, right?
00:59:48Well, I shared it with five friends around the world who all said to me, do not let this
00:59:54go public, you will get crucified, right?
00:59:57So, it was very funny after, you know, after everything blew up, you know, in October a
01:00:06couple years ago, a lot of the IHOPers were yelling at me going, why didn't you tell us
01:00:12this, you know, years ago if you knew this?
01:00:15And what they don't understand was they would have been on the front row throwing spears and
01:00:20rocks at me because I said it, you know what I mean?
01:00:23That's what people don't seem to understand, and my friends were right, they said, you
01:00:28will not only have every leader at IHOP attacking you, right, you'll have everybody around the
01:00:35world coming at you, there will be no safe place for you, right?
01:00:40And so, I actually kept it, I buried it, I kept it on my computer for like five years,
01:00:47never told a soul, only five people in the world knew that I had written it.
01:00:51So, isn't that funny, because again, it's just like you were saying, it's like if you
01:00:55come out against the system, and that's why there's many mafia, there's a religious mafia
01:01:03as well, right?
01:01:04You and I both know it, we've seen it, it's like religious denominations can function just
01:01:10like the mafia, they will take you out.
01:01:13Absolutely.
01:01:14I mean, there are people, whenever this book was published, there are people who helped
01:01:19to take those videos down, which contain the content of this, that spread the rumor that
01:01:25John's doing all this for money, and I put it out there for free on YouTube, it's not
01:01:30like that, you know, the whole thing, when you get real deep into the weeds of what this
01:01:37mess is, you start to realize that it's not really Christianity, there's something else
01:01:41polluting Christianity behind it, and like I said earlier, it would take me, and it did
01:01:46take me an entire series of podcasts to fully untangle what this mess is, and if you want
01:01:51to see it, you can go to the Revival History series on the podcast.
01:01:54No, that's good, I think that's well worth people's time, and it's important to drill
01:01:58down and understand the why, otherwise you misinterpret what you're seeing or hearing, because you
01:02:04don't have a good context for it, so yeah, well done on your part to kind of get that
01:02:10in writing, and now there's a record, right?
01:02:14It's there for posterity.
01:02:16Well, thank you so much for doing this, this has been fun, and we'll probably do some more
01:02:21on this theme later, because I have more to tell as it relates to IHOPKC, but for now,
01:02:27people can get the general idea.
01:02:28Yeah, hopefully we've been helpful, and didn't freak anyone out, and kind of gave
01:02:34them like an aha like I had, I was like, oh wow, I did not get this, like it was
01:02:40going
01:02:40over, it was going around me, right?
01:02:42It was like, I felt like I was in the middle of something, and it was going around me, and
01:02:45I couldn't connect the dots, and thank you for doing this, because it's like so many
01:02:49things suddenly are making sense to me.
01:02:52Well, if you've enjoyed our show, and you want more information, you can check us out on
01:02:55the web, you can find us at william-branham.org.
01:02:58For more about the dark side of the New Apostolic Reformation, you can read Weaponized Religion
01:03:02from Christian Identity to the NAR, and for more about Mike Bickle and IHOPKC, you can
01:03:08read Sub-Said They Blundered, Breaking My Decades of Silence on Mike Bickle, the Kansas City
01:03:13Prophets, and the International House of Prayer, and I probably should have mentioned Preacher
01:03:18Behind the White Hoods, a critical examination of William Branham and his message.
01:03:41I am the one who has a friend�� tegenover the White Hood, and I could do the past few minutes,
01:03:42I am the one who has a friend and his friend, who is a friend and his wife and her
01:03:58friend and
01:03:58his wife, who is a friend and her friend and his wife.
01:04:08We'll see you next time.
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