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00:00So can I say something here?
00:02We got Jason coming on at nine.
00:03Let me make an immediate switch for those going into work.
00:07If I were Miles Garrett, I'd be doing the exact same thing.
00:10I know Miles could just come out and do something on Instagram story and just,
00:14if he's just looking at a Microsoft Surface or there's something Browns related, whatever,
00:18like it would calm a lot of people down because a lot of this is,
00:22and people are getting upset because they think we're trying to talk it into existence.
00:25The media is, I don't know if that's the case.
00:28I'm trying to put two and two together.
00:30I did not like Mike Rutenberg's answer yesterday.
00:32I thought it was hastily put together,
00:34and it made me think that somebody has loaded up his answer for him
00:38and helped him with that, and then he just Kato Kaelin'd it.
00:41That's a reference that's more my age.
00:45If I were Miles, I'd do the same thing because what does it hurt?
00:48If we talk about it, they don't get mad at Miles.
00:51The fans are not mad at Miles.
00:52They get mad at us.
00:52There are some.
00:53No, not the majority.
00:55Not the majority.
00:56That's the internet.
00:57I'm looking at it right now.
00:57Why is he scheduling his vacations around football activities?
01:00Because he's a defensive end.
01:01He can do it.
01:01If he were a quarterback, I'd be talking differently.
01:03He's a defensive end on a losing football team.
01:05Beside the point.
01:06On a losing football team, Kenny.
01:07Does that matter to you?
01:08If I took 10 calls.
01:09Does that matter to you if it was a winning football team versus a losing football team?
01:11We can argue that at another time.
01:13I am.
01:13I'm arguing it right now.
01:14I don't want to argue it right now.
01:15Let me do this.
01:16If 10 people called in right now,
01:19how many people would be mad at Miles over this or just go,
01:22you guys got nothing to talk about.
01:23It's your fault.
01:24Well, I'd say 8 out of 10 people.
01:26The majority of the fans are on Miles' side.
01:30There's no side, but the majority of the fans are not mad at Miles.
01:34Don't forget, there's a contingent of the fan base that was not happy with the way he humiliated the Browns
01:40when he wanted his trade.
01:42And for some people, they were like, he'll never be my favorite player ever again after that.
01:46There is always going to be people who tell you that the sky is red.
01:49There's always going to be people who tell you that grass is blue.
01:52There's always going to be people who tell you something.
01:53Wait, wait, wait.
01:54You don't remember those shows we did where people screamed and said, that's it?
01:57Fine, trade him.
01:58If he wants out and doesn't want to be a Cleveland Browns.
02:00And in the words of you, that was then, this is now.
02:03And fast forward it.
02:05Because again, I'll do it at 9.22 after Jason.
02:08We'll see what he says about the Cavs.
02:09But I'll do it at 9.22.
02:11I want 10 people to line up and tell me if they are mad at Miles over this
02:15or they just think that the media is making a big deal.
02:17I could very well guess, and I'm going to guess 8 of the 10 callers,
02:21they will say it's media-driven.
02:23The other part of it is, it doesn't hurt him.
02:24I mean, we've heard that our whole lives.
02:26Media this, media that.
02:27It's the media's fault the Browns are bad.
02:28It's the media's fault that the Browns can't get out of their own way.
02:31He's awful touchy about the media, isn't he?
02:32Right, but it's all I've heard my whole life.
02:34We've got a real ombudsman over here.
02:35And at some point, is it the media or is it the awful Browns?
02:38You guys be the judge.
02:38If you think it's the media, well, then, okay, we'll all move
02:41and the Browns will just, what, instantaneously start winning games?
02:44So it sounds like you're mad at Miles.
02:45You're mad at Miles.
02:46I just, why does he?
02:46Are you mad at Miles?
02:47I think he could endorse the new head coach, which he didn't want.
02:51But he doesn't have to.
02:51No, he doesn't have to do anything.
02:53Miles Garrett doesn't have to do anything.
02:54He'll just continue to be on the losing Browns.
02:56That's the point.
02:57That is the point.
02:58And he'll just continue to lose games and he'll put up great numbers
03:00and he gets to do all these cool things and be famous.
03:03That's cool.
03:03That doesn't really help the Browns win games, obviously.
03:05I feel like you yesterday because you're not letting me make my point here
03:08the same thing if I were Miles.
03:10I care about the fans.
03:12Miles doesn't have to because Miles is just going to show up
03:14and get 20 sacks this year.
03:15On a losing football team.
03:16On a losing football team, that's true.
03:18But if he doesn't say anything, this conversation is going to continue to pick up.
03:21I mean, I'm breaking down Mike Rutenberg's conversation
03:24in a media scrum yesterday.
03:26So he likes the conversation.
03:28It's not that he likes it, but it doesn't hurt.
03:30He could end it if he wanted to.
03:31If he didn't like it, he could end it.
03:32But why would you end it?
03:33He's chosen not to.
03:34Why would you end it?
03:35You could either, you could get yourself.
03:37To end it.
03:37If he's annoyed by it the way the coaches are.
03:39But you can get yourself more money.
03:41This could be a business play.
03:42That's what I was trying to get to.
03:44Couldn't he just ask the Browns for more money?
03:45You're annoyed by Miles, Garrett, aren't you?
03:47You're annoyed with Miles.
03:48Of course I am.
03:49I just want to make sure you're annoyed with Miles.
03:50But I say this every year.
03:51You're being honest.
03:52You guys say you're not annoyed by it every year.
03:53And then you wonder, why doesn't it ever seem like our culture is very good?
03:57I don't know.
03:58The best player and the leader of the team just schedules his vacations
04:02around football activities while Denzel Ward...
04:04These are not vacations.
04:04These are business arrangements.
04:06Well, at least Denzel Ward's in town talking to the coach every day.
04:07These are business arrangements.
04:09Denzel Ward doesn't get set across the world.
04:12Hold on.
04:12Business arrangements?
04:14They just made a commercial.
04:15That's not business.
04:16He did it for free.
04:17There's no other time they could schedule that?
04:18Hey, I have no idea when you're able to get the directors ready.
04:21He picks a win of the OTAs.
04:23That's when we'll do it.
04:24That's a business arrangement.
04:24I mean, when they made Days of Thunder, they had to film that during the Daytona 500.
04:27They couldn't just pick a different day, now could they?
04:29No.
04:30We don't know when the arrangements had to be made, when the sun had to be that way.
04:34And what are you trying to say?
04:35Do you want them to make AI commercials?
04:37Do you want them to come and take your job?
04:38I think Miles Garrett's supporting the working man, is what I think.
04:41Are you more annoyed with Miles or the media?
04:45You want to have that fight?
04:46Let's have that fight, Tone Master General.
04:48I think that's kind of a stupid premise, though.
04:50To be honest.
04:51What do you mean that's a stupid premise?
04:52You call me stupid?
04:53I think when you've had presidential elections run on how bad the media is, and it's been successful.
04:59Oh, here we go.
05:00It always comes down.
05:02In Cleveland, and I think it's because the Browns have just haven't been able to get their shoes on the
05:06right feet for 30 years.
05:07When the Cavs stink, people blame the Cavs.
05:09When the Guardians stink, which is not very often, fans blame the Guardians.
05:13When the Browns stink, fans blame the media.
05:15It's just wild to me.
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05:34So I'm serious.
05:34I'm throwing it out.
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05:38I told Lima, when it comes to the Miles Garrett stuff, and I said, I don't think fans are annoyed
05:45with Miles.
05:45And then Lima lost his mind on me to the point where I almost walked out on you today because
05:49you weren't letting me get my stuff in.
05:51It was your turn.
05:52Yes.
05:53Well, I'm not going to walk out on you.
05:55Actually, I have several times before.
05:56We're like James Harden, Donovan Mitchell.
05:58Your turn.
05:59My turn.
05:59Your turn.
06:00You walk out.
06:00I walk out.
06:02He, I asked, are you more annoyed with Miles or are you more annoyed with the media continuously bringing it
06:06up?
06:07Because you just went nuts.
06:09And I go, well, I think you're being sensitive because you're a media member.
06:12Oh, I don't care.
06:14No, I think you do.
06:15I think you get very defensive over media when they start going after media.
06:18Which media, though?
06:18Because you know I hate the media, too.
06:20Do you hate the media?
06:21I think there's certain people in the media.
06:23Do you want to talk about it?
06:23There's certain members of the media.
06:24Well, you said that there were plenty of people who apparently think I've wronged them in the media in Cleveland.
06:28That's what we had in our great big knockdown drag out fight last week or two weeks ago.
06:32Obviously, this happens all the time.
06:34Yeah, what?
06:35Fans don't want to hear that anything's a problem.
06:37And so fans are conditioned in many ways to say.
06:41And they do this in other cities, too.
06:42The whole A.J. Brown thing going on in Philly, John will tell you.
06:45The blame of the media.
06:45They go crazy on WIP and all that stuff.
06:47And the reality is, like, we were here when Miles Garrett wanted out.
06:53We were flooded with phone calls.
06:54Good.
06:55Don't let the door hit you out of the way out.
06:57But that was a year and a half ago.
06:58Sure.
06:59And what's happened since then?
07:01He set the record.
07:02He set the record.
07:03He's played well.
07:03On a losing team that doesn't seem to...
07:08That maybe has the arrow pointed up in talent and all that.
07:11But, like, let's be honest.
07:12They're probably going to have a losing record this year, right?
07:15And you have a new head coach.
07:17If they win seven games, better than last year.
07:18Okay, go ahead.
07:19That is.
07:19Yes.
07:20They have a brand new head coach.
07:22Miles Garrett was very public in vouching for a different coach who didn't get the job.
07:27And since the new coach got the job, we haven't seen Miles, heard from Miles.
07:30Nothing.
07:31And you have a whole slew of players that are there at both the voluntary stuff and then,
07:37you know, soon-to-be mandatory stuff.
07:39You have a whole slew of players that are there.
07:40And you have Todd Munkin, who seems annoyed, but at the same time said, yeah, me, I'm coming
07:45to everything.
07:46Like, I want everybody to be here.
07:47I come to everything.
07:48And then the fans say, well, Miles gets special exemption because he's really good.
07:53He doesn't have to be there.
07:54Okay.
07:54I mean, if you play that game, then don't be surprised when people say, Miles is never
08:00going to be a leader.
08:01He's never going to be that guy.
08:03Would have been nice to have him.
08:05But I'm not disappointed in that anymore.
08:06There was a time probably four or five years ago I might have been disappointed.
08:09That is past for me.
08:10Well, wouldn't that be awesome to have your best player also be a leader?
08:12That's normally how it works in sports?
08:13Yeah.
08:14I mean, in most cases.
08:15It'd be great, but here we are.
08:17So is that part of a problem?
08:18Is that part of a problem when your best player is not a leader and is kind of doing their
08:21own
08:22thing?
08:22I don't know if he wasn't that great, but he is that great.
08:24So he might be aloof, but he is so tough to put into a box, man.
08:30I agree.
08:31He is so tough.
08:34Like, he's got speeding tickets, okay?
08:36We don't make big deals about speeding tickets until it's after his last speeding ticket.
08:40Because we've all had speeding tickets.
08:42He hit a guy over the head with his helmet.
08:44Yes, he did.
08:45But we also, I totally, but I totally, firmly, 100% believe.
08:51And you could say that this is my version of chemtrails, whatever you want to say, fine.
08:55I totally believe that there is audio of him being called a terrible word.
09:00I don't know if it's the word.
09:01Because that makes us feel better, because that then justifies the action.
09:03And I don't know.
09:04I mean, that's why.
09:05If you were in Pittsburgh, you wouldn't say that.
09:07Obviously, if I were in Pittsburgh, because that'd be boobery.
09:09So we're in the Cleveland bubble on this one.
09:11But no, because I do believe that Fox spends a lot of money on games.
09:16You're trying to...
09:17Was it Fox?
09:17Either way, you spend a lot of money on those games.
09:20NFL Network.
09:21NFL Network.
09:21Okay, thank you.
09:22NFL Network.
09:23NFL Network.
09:24Spends a lot of money on them damn games.
09:25You don't think Pablo Torre could unearth it?
09:29Oh, I think he can.
09:29Mike Florio.
09:31Pablo Torre's very busy looking into the Vrabel stuff right now.
09:34Yes, that's true.
09:35And then going back after Jennifer, not Jennifer Hudson, Jordan Hudson.
09:38And the mentalist.
09:40Hopefully, Jennifer Hudson's never done anything.
09:41And the mentalist.
09:42The mentalist.
09:42That was weird.
09:43That was weird.
09:43That was the weird one.
09:45I agree with Kyle Coward on that one.
09:46I went Pablo.
09:49No.
09:50That was just kind of a gag.
09:52Did Copperfield really not make the Statue of Liberty disappear?
09:55I need Pablo to get on that.
09:56I need Pablo Torre to get on that one.
09:58What happened to Houdini?
09:59Pablo, let's hear you.
10:00He got punched in the gut and then he died.
10:02But the other stuff, it's like, no, that's the stuff about, like, Lamar, the stuff about the contracts, the collusion.
10:10I was like, that's bona fide bulldog journalism there, man.
10:13You need that.
10:13It's just, I wish Pablo Torre maybe, in the words of the kids, touched a little grass here and there.
10:18Because the illusionist or the mentalist or whatever it was, I'm like, that was a gag and everybody knows that
10:22was a gag.
10:23Anyway, he is such a difficult person to put into a place that you're comfortable with.
10:34Because if I, 99 out of 100 people, if I say you're not a leader, that's a slight.
10:40And him, I say he's not a leader.
10:43I don't claim he's a leader.
10:44And I don't mean that as something nasty.
10:48I wish he was rah, rah, all that other crap.
10:50Well, yeah, there's a lot of things we wish and we don't get.
10:53He's not that guy.
10:54But when he goes out and he gets 23 sacks in a season, again, what are you going to do?
10:59And I tried to bring this up before, and you cut me off.
11:01I brought it up with Jason.
11:02Let me say it again.
11:05If I'm Miles, I don't care that Anthony Lyme is not thrilled with me or annoyed with me.
11:10I don't care that Kenny Carmen is getting spun and worked into a shoot and playing Mike Rutenberg.
11:15It only hurts my business to make you more comfortable.
11:19As much as it may suck that you are uncomfortable with it, because I don't know if Miles wants to
11:24go out and make people uncomfortable.
11:26He's not acting like it.
11:28Sorry.
11:29Tough bleep.
11:29But fans used to hate that.
11:31Fans tell us every day how they think the athletes, all they do is care about their money.
11:35And then they want the Cavs players to do what Jalen Brunson did.
11:38Take a huge discount.
11:40Or Jose Ramirez.
11:41Take a huge discount.
11:41And you're sitting here saying, no, no, it's okay now.
11:45In this case, they want Miles to make the most amount of money possible?
11:48He's the 100th player.
11:49He is that guy.
11:52There's so many of these guys where they care all about this, that, and the other.
11:55And you turn around and you end up being right, because they end up being Greg Little, or they end
11:59up being Braylon Edwards.
12:01They end up being Johnny Manziel, or any one of these other goofs out there.
12:05They end up being the...
12:06No, he is a first ballot Hall of Famer.
12:08And it's not like he's a bad person.
12:10He's not a bad person.
12:12Far from it.
12:14And if I'm Miles, too bad, Kenny.
12:17Too bad, Anthony.
12:18Too bad, Jason.
12:19Don't care.
12:20It ain't your bank account.
12:21It's my bank account.
12:22Because the only thing this is ever going to do is make me more money.
12:25Because I'm going to work out.
12:26I'm obsessed.
12:27He's obsessed.
12:28He's going to work out, I should say.
12:29He's obsessed with setting more records.
12:31He's obsessed with getting sacks.
12:32He will get more sacks.
12:34I think that motor will continue to go.
12:36There's nothing I can say about the guy.
12:37I've had one game, one game and nine seasons that I thought that he kind of gave up on.
12:43And that was that Dolphins game, and I think in 2021, where he got pushed out of some holes.
12:49And I think that at that point, he had just kind of had himself a fit and kind of had
12:53enough.
12:53That was like the one game.
12:55And then what did they call in and say?
12:56Well, you don't love football anymore.
12:57If you're Miles, I hold all the cards.
13:01If people don't call, I can still get a contract.
13:04Or I can just come when I want to, and you guys have all made a big deal out of
13:07nothing.
13:08Or, the more that it gets talked about, the more teams maybe call.
13:12And it's not teams that, if teams call that I don't want to play for, too bad.
13:17I hold the cards.
13:18I have a no trade clause.
13:19But if it's one of the handful of teams that I might be interested in, okay, let's talk.
13:23Let's see what we can do.
13:24He has all the power.
13:26It doesn't help him to try to make me feel better.
13:30So, that's where we're at.
13:31And the only time I haven't really felt good about this was yesterday when Mike Rutenberg gave that answer.
13:36It was just like, hey, man.
13:38Like, his answer to me was just, he tried to rehearse an answer.
13:42It didn't go well.
13:43And then it left me with more questions.
13:45And then Denzel's talking about, yeah, I haven't been there.
13:47But I'm in constant communication with Brandon Lynch.
13:49And, I mean, I'm getting set up all the cut-ups and all the other things.
13:52It's like, oh, God.
13:53And I'm not hearing anything.
13:55I'm not hearing anything from Miles.
13:59I guess I'm just going to have to live with it for a couple more weeks.
14:01And if he's there on June 9th, that's the end of this.
14:04Until it becomes something again.
14:06I'm sure there will be more.
14:08But on June 9th, if he's there, that ends it.
14:11If June 9th and he's not there, June 9th is the day it starts, right?
14:14I think so, yeah.
14:15Okay, if June 9th, he ain't there, I guess it's all hands on deck on this station.
14:21Because if he ain't there, there's going to be a lot of conversation.
14:23And the deniers can't deny it any longer.
14:25And that includes me.
14:26Do you think the fans would then change their stance and say, fine, trade him?
14:32I think that they would change.
14:33Well, first off, they're never going to go back on the media.
14:36They'll just go after the media for other reasons.
14:38And that's fine.
14:39Yeah.
14:39Oh, yeah.
14:40But I think there's a lot of people who are trying to get ready for a season.
14:43They're excited about the possibility of the seasons.
14:46It bothers them because it's a downer to talk about the best player in the history of the
14:50Browns defense being traded.
14:53If then all of a sudden you found out that he did not intend on showing up and he was
14:57out for the mandatory minicamp, then I think a lot of people go, what could we get for him?
15:02And what teams are willing to give up that much for him?
15:05Because if you're giving me back-end first-round picks, I'm going to also need some seconds.
15:09I'm going to need some thirds here.
15:10This is a game-changing type of pass rusher here.
15:14And I know you're going to have to sign him to another contract to play for you, but we'll
15:17talk the turkey.
15:18But, yeah, I think that there's far more people that are annoyed with the media than they are
15:22at Miles right now.
15:23It is, if you didn't like Miles before, then, yeah, you definitely don't like Miles now.
15:28But I think there's a lot of people who they just think that we don't have much to talk
15:32about.
15:33And, yeah, I tell you what.
15:34But they also think the media divides the team.
15:37And if the team can be divided by the media, then you don't have a real team.
15:41Let's be honest.
15:42That is absolutely true because they don't like the media either.
15:45So if the media is dividing them, then you've got yourself a problem.
15:47But I'll tell you what, at least on this side of the show, on this show, I don't want
15:51to divide them.
15:52I don't want any of these things.
15:53I hated that the Jadeveon Clowney stuff happened.
15:55All that other stuff, I hate it.
15:56I absolutely hate it.
15:58And this is the difference.
16:00This is why I'm not a journalist.
16:01I openly root for them to win.
16:03I openly root for them to do well.
16:05Journalists, they, well, I just don't like covering a bad football team.
16:08Too bad.
16:09I hate rooting for a bad football team, too.
16:11Sucks to be you.
16:12At least you're getting paid.
16:13I ain't no journalist.
16:14I want them to win.
16:14I want to have fun with my buddies.
16:15I want to have fun with my buddies.
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