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00:39Beyond the Tape, we'll be back after these messages.
00:44Folks, take a look at all these medical conditions.
00:48What does it have in common?
00:53This, ITIS.
00:55But what does ITIS really mean?
00:58The suffix ITIS denotes inflammation of a specified organ or tissue.
01:03ITIS really means inflammation.
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03:18And, of course, to bring reassurance to the nation, not just with this matter, but other matters as well that
03:25are circulating throughout the public domain, we have my co-host with me this evening, no stranger to your screens,
03:31ASP Russell here with us.
03:33ASP, good evening to you, Sue.
03:34Good evening, Ms. Husbands, and good evening, Trinidad and Tobago and the Viewing Caribbean on behalf of the Commissioner of
03:40Police, Deputy Commissioners, Assistant Commissioners, and First and Second Division Officers of the esteemed Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
03:47It's like, is it that you practice that or is it just as a flow?
03:51It's just something because of being a part of the...
03:54I know how I feel about my organization and I know the efforts that the members, all ranks and files,
04:00put out in Mitchell and Tobago a safe place.
04:01Yeah, that is very important.
04:03I mean, regardless of what is taking place, we still have technology, hard work of the TTPS and the executive
04:08as well.
04:09Now, we're going to dive straight in and OS because, you know, once you're here, we have questions that we
04:14need answered.
04:15And, of course, things that are circulating throughout the public domain that persons want to know some clarification, updates, investigations
04:22that may be taking place as best as you could give us.
04:25Because I know not everything we could put out there in the public domain because it is extremely sensitive, especially
04:31if it's under investigation.
04:32In addition, you know, I'm not the repository for all information, but by God's grace, I'm hoping that I can
04:38satisfactorily answer all of your questions.
04:41Well, let's see how things go because usually the phone lines start blazing when you show up.
04:45So, right now, let's head to Eldorado and take a look at this video.
04:48This was very disturbing here because this was caught on camera early on Tuesday, February 24th in the Eldorado area.
04:56So, ASP, we see here how it's important that persons, even though you may be in an area that you
05:02may be comfortable or familiar with,
05:03it is not suggested any time day to remain in your vehicle for whatever reason.
05:11And I'm saying, even though you have to remain in your vehicle, you need to be vigilant, keep looking around,
05:17keep checking your mirrors,
05:18because he would have, had he been checking his mirrors, he could have seen when the vehicle turned, he may
05:22have had a suspicion of something.
05:24To the persons that own teeters, you know, sometimes people think that police officers are targeting them and we are
05:30profiling them,
05:31but far too often we see a particular type of vehicle being used in these offenses, these crimes, these robberies,
05:40these Facebook marketplace situations.
05:42And again, a Nissan teeter.
05:45Yeah.
05:47I mean, as you said, I don't want to stereotype the drivers who may have.
05:52Definitely.
05:52Oh, teeter, but I am very alert, and wagons.
05:57Definitely.
05:57A.D. wagons.
05:58A.D. wagons as well.
05:59A.D. wagons as well.
05:59A.D. wagons as well.
06:00Sorry to say, it is one where you also have to pay attention.
06:03Almost every vehicle.
06:06Almost every vehicle.
06:08Well, if your gut is telling you something is off, it is off.
06:11Because your father, I mean, this is where persons use SUVs as well.
06:14Yes.
06:15So, you know, we are asking the public just to be vigilant, just to really take that extra time, look
06:21around.
06:22If you have your opinion something is wrong, you get that gut feeling, trust your gut feeling.
06:27You know, I always ask the question when I see these videos to the family members who may recognize some
06:35of the individuals who may be committing these crimes.
06:38How do you feel, even if you do approach these individuals who are committing these heinous acts, what do you
06:45say to them?
06:46And then, is it that would you call the CTPS on them, or you'd rather not do that because it's
06:51a sibling or someone that you consider or you love?
06:54Obviously, there are people who love and care for them, you know.
06:56There are people, if they are killed, will be crying and bawling, you know.
07:00And that is the thing about it.
07:03Everybody is, everybody has somebody who they love.
07:05The worst person, in somebody's eyes, are the greatest person.
07:11Yes.
07:12And also, we need to really be responsible.
07:15And I'm saying to the relatives, the friends, the families, the loved ones.
07:18If you know that that particular individual lives that particular type of lifestyle, but he or she has no income,
07:27no permanent job, no temporary job, it must arouse some kind of suspicion in your mind.
07:33And we wanted to bring the information to the police.
07:36Because I'll tell you something, when it turns around and somebody else's relative do it to you, or you are
07:43on the receiving end, you feel a particular way.
07:47But a lot of the times in Trinidad and Tobago, we condone things until it happens to us.
07:52Because even, Jack, if you go back a little bit, which I still don't get, you have the person who
07:58is really and truly taking all instructions needed.
08:04Yeah, gun buddy individual.
08:05All right.
08:06He is moving, as you say.
08:08He is not trying to react in any way.
08:10But you still shoot off the gun.
08:12For what?
08:13What is your reason?
08:15Is it fair?
08:15Is it, no, I know you can't speak on behalf of the actions of the said criminal, but you have
08:20the person in full control.
08:22Why let off the gun?
08:24And you know the nice thing about it is that when the public witnesses, they would understand the partnership that
08:32we so yearn for as a Trinidad and Tobago police service.
08:35Because when you sit at home and you look at this, you must feel some kind of way.
08:40You must feel some kind of negative emotions towards this.
08:45You know, your emotional intelligence must be somewhat aroused.
08:49When you look at this, hence the reason we ask for the continuous partnership.
08:53Hence the reason we ask for the information.
08:56Nothing is wrong if you see a strange vehicle in your neighborhood.
08:58Call the police, let us try to intercept it.
09:01Might as well be coming and we verify who the individuals are.
09:04Then you say, well, all right, and we brush it off.
09:07And then something is persons in the neighborhood actually looking for their next target or their next victim or planning
09:13to do a home invasion or surveilling the place to see who is going to work or who is driving
09:17what vehicle.
09:18So we have to be super vigilant.
09:21No, we have to be your brother's keeper no more than anything else.
09:26No, I mean, I'm watching the video over and over and it is really breaking my heart because of I
09:32know there are many individuals who work, if not the majority.
09:37They work extremely hard.
09:38They're trying to provide for their families.
09:40And this could be one of us.
09:41This is, this is, this is not something that it is exempt from me or anyone else who's watching the
09:48show.
09:49It could be you one day and.
09:52Or your family member.
09:53Or your family member.
09:54And all we're trying to do is survive, work and live.
09:59Do what is right.
10:00And then the individuals who believe they're entitled to what you have.
10:05Well, I feel I need this because it's an unfair situation that I'm living in that I now have to
10:11take advantage of individuals who are trying to be law abiding citizens.
10:15And I'll tell you something, eh?
10:17After your house, your motor vehicle is your second most expensive investment.
10:26I'm almost certain that gentleman probably still paying the bank for the vehicle.
10:30Yeah.
10:30Now he's without a vehicle.
10:32And then you don't know if that was his trade that he's using for to provide for his family.
10:37It's just, it's just disturbing.
10:38And then stereotyping individuals when you see persons look like that, it breaks my heart because it's people who look
10:44just like me.
10:46It is, it could be a family member.
10:50Remember, we share the same skin color, the way how we, the appearance of individuals.
10:56And I have to stereotype a young man for what?
10:59That is not fair.
11:01When you would, this is breaking my heart.
11:03And I understand that.
11:05And what I want from Trinidad is the commitment going forward to assist us, to partner with us.
11:11At times, we may not always get it right.
11:13And I always stand here and say that because we are human beings as well.
11:17But it doesn't mean because of one error, one mistake that you would turn your back because we have to
11:22survive here.
11:23My family is out there.
11:25So it's not even who is armed with a firearm, who is unarmed.
11:28They are persons who are armed with firearms and they themselves were victims of crime as well.
11:33And killed.
11:33And killed.
11:34So no one is exempted.
11:37No one is immune.
11:38Never think for one moment that it cannot happen to me.
11:41It wouldn't happen to me.
11:43You're not friends wrong.
11:44Yes.
11:45You pray.
11:46You ask your God for your protection.
11:48And you go about your daily businesses being vigilant.
11:52Of course, anyone with information, we ask you to contact the nearest police station or call 999 or 555.
11:58Now, as the TTPS continues to get the illegal drugs off the street, we are now seeing they are trying
12:04to get the illegal guns as well off the street.
12:07Now, according to the Daily Express, Trini, who concealed firearms in punching bags, sentenced in the U.S.
12:14A Trinidad and Tobago national has been sentenced to federal prison in the United States for his rule in multiple
12:20-year firearm smuggling operations.
12:24Alexander and his co-conspirators had deliberately concealed the firearms without informing the shipper of their true contents.
12:32Now, Shem Wayne Alexander, 36, of Portisville, Trinidad, was sentenced by a U.S. district judge to four years and
12:41nine months in prison for conspiracy to smuggle firearms from the United States to Trinidad and Tobago.
12:50The court also ordered Alexander to forfeit firearms seized during the offense.
12:55Alexander previously pleaded guilty.
12:57U.S. Attorney Gregory W. Kehoe announced court records indicate that between April 2019 and April 2022, Alexander and his
13:08co-conspirators exported more than 200 firearms, including pistols, revolvers, shotguns, AR-15 components, and ammunition from Florida to Trinidad
13:20and Tobago.
13:21In a notable shipment intercepted on April 21st, 2021 at Piyako International Airport, Trinidad authorities seized two punching bags that
13:33were being shipped as household items.
13:36X-ray scans, X-ray scans, X-ray scans, and subsequent inspections revealed the bags contained approximately 11 9mm pistols,
13:452.38 caliber revolvers, a 12-gauge shotgun, multiple AR-15 parts, and magazines, and hundreds of wrongs of ammunition.
13:56PSB?
13:57Hundreds of wrongs.
13:59Yeah.
13:59Multiple AR-15 parts.
14:02Pistols.
14:03Revolvers.
14:06Fresh guns.
14:07Well, you know what?
14:08Brand new.
14:08You know what?
14:10You want to say thank God, though, that the individual has been arrested, the gang has been dismantled, and they
14:19are now serving time in the U.S.
14:22He, being actually a national, what we have to do now as a national security apparatus is have a plan
14:28in place for that individual when they have served their time and they return to our shores.
14:34Yes.
14:35Because we know we have some situations where the deportees would have given us a certain amount of issues on
14:41their return to the country because they bring their now, they now bring their advanced state of thinking and packaging,
14:47etc.
14:47So we need to now have a system in place to monitor these guys and make sure that when they
14:52are here, they do not enter or return to that life of crime.
14:57You know what I mean?
14:57Of course, the connections are still there.
14:59Yeah.
14:59Definitely.
15:00And we're in international waters.
15:01Now, as we continue, we head straight into what's making the headlines today, so let's take a look.
15:23And those were your stories making today's headlines.
15:25ASP, of course, the TTPS continues to work extremely hard with regards to making sure.
15:31We have some sort of control with the crime situation, but it is a hard one to hold on to,
15:35and it seems like it's a wild stallion that is out running wild.
15:41I would not want to say it's a wild stallion.
15:45I would not want to say something that we cannot manage as well.
15:49What I would want to highlight and place the emphasis on is the partnership with the public because we understand
15:56that we cannot be everywhere.
16:00But there are persons who would see things, and we are asking that you say something.
16:05We understand how you feel about your safety.
16:09All we need is the information, right?
16:11Get on a letter and treat it in the station.
16:13Yes, but let me ask you this before we head to the break quickly, right?
16:17Now, there are more than likely will be actual points where you will know your information, where you could place
16:23officers.
16:23The same way if I am on the highway, I will see officers in vehicles parked in certain places in
16:30case, of course, they have to respond quickly to what may ever happen in those certain areas.
16:35But could we find places where you could be placed strategically in case of anything happening?
16:41I'm not sure if that is done, but I'm just going based on my observation of seeing not many marked
16:49police vehicles placed in places in case, like in this case, the bamboo situation, where usually I would have seen
16:54officers patrolling on it because you see them moving back and forth in that area.
16:59But when that incident happened, there was no quick response time in that situation, not saying that's the only situation,
17:07but just having officers placed in certain areas.
17:10Well, you know, the Trenton Tobago Police Service is an intelligence-led organization, and we are guided by the statistics
17:15on CAPA, right?
17:17But, you know, you come to work today, and things happen.
17:21Sometimes you have a plan, your shift is properly staffed, and you have the vehicles.
17:27But then you reach to work today, and guess what?
17:30One of your vehicles have to go on service.
17:32So you now have eight men on a shift, but you could still only send out one mobile patrol.
17:38You may send out one mobile patrol and send out one foot patrol because you're a prudent manager, but your
17:44foot patrol could only go so far.
17:46It would need the support from the mobile patrol as well.
17:51There are times where you have the resources to place persons at certain static points.
17:55It's something that we discussed in St. James.
17:58We do a Monday morning briefing to gather the information as to what happened the week before, what we're putting
18:04in place, and how we're going forward for the week ahead.
18:06And it's something that we are also looking into by placing them in certain places.
18:09I wouldn't say where.
18:10No, you cannot.
18:11But there are certain places that are main activities, and you're right.
18:14Once the resources provide, and we do have the resources, we try our best to do so.
18:20But policing is not perfect, and it's not always a perfect science.
18:25Sometimes the mats don't always mats.
18:27Sometimes you have the vehicles, but not the person.
18:29You have the persons, but not the vehicles.
18:31And certain things happen.
18:31Of course, police officers have their lives as well.
18:34Somebody may wake up today, and they're not feeling well.
18:37Sometimes, based on the strength of your shift, one person taking a sickle almost crippled your whole shift for that
18:44morning, period, or for that entire day.
18:46So it all depends on the resources that we have available when we end up in the job.
18:50But as far as practicable, we rarely try to utilize the intelligence to drive how we deploy our resources daily.
18:58Yeah.
18:59Daily.
18:59We continue the conversation and more after this break.
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20:19Folks, take a look at all these medical conditions.
20:23What does it have in common?
20:27This.
20:28I-T-I-S.
20:29But what does I-T-I-S really mean?
20:32The suffix itis denotes inflammation of a specified organ or tissue.
20:37I-T-I-S really means inflammation.
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21:22We open up the phone 9-3 to give us a call at 623-1711 extension 1996 and 1997.
21:29Now before we add to the phone lines ASP, I just want to find out.
21:32When it comes to police vehicles escorting funeral home vehicles and the blaring lights and speed,
21:38why do they have to move in that manner?
21:42Well now, let me tell you something.
21:44Sometimes, you know, you have to get to differences at a certain time.
21:48There's a time slot.
21:50And the pathologist could only do so a certain amount of autopsies per day.
21:59Sometimes they run late.
22:01Sometimes the TTPS run late because the same vehicle that is doing the escort might be the same vehicle that
22:06responded to the report before the escort.
22:10You know, we want to get there quickly.
22:13We want to get there safely as well.
22:15Because the resources of the funeral home also have to return.
22:18Yes.
22:19Because the funeral home that really takes up the body may not necessarily be the funeral home that has the
22:26contract for the funeral arrangements as well.
22:28So there are a lot of moving parts, especially when these things happen.
22:32When a murder takes place or there's any death that we are looking into, when we have investigation, there's a
22:38lot of things, a lot of moving parts that has to happen.
22:42You know, before we can really turn that body over to the family so that the body could be cremated
22:47or buried as the family desires.
22:50And of course, the information as needed to continue the investigation.
22:53We are to the phone lines at this time.
22:54We have a call on.
22:55Hold call.
22:55Good evening.
22:56Hi.
22:56Good afternoon.
22:57Blessed evening to both of you.
22:59Good evening to mom.
22:59Good evening to mom.
23:00You look very nice today, Ms. Husband.
23:03Oh, thank you.
23:04All right.
23:05Here's what I just want to talk about.
23:07You were speaking about the incident happening with a guy and a kid with a car and all of that,
23:13right?
23:13And then you were talking about, about the better section you, which is what, like, me too, that sometimes when
23:20these guys get caught, parents of these guys crying.
23:24I mean, you know, the thing is about, I think they don't understand the meaning and they need to go
23:31in the dictionary or even the Bible, meaning of L-O-V-E.
23:35How can you cry for your sons who committed all these crimes, danger in humans, children, parents, and then when
23:42they call them police, the police who they hate, hold them and put them in jail, you are crying because
23:48of your love them at that time.
23:50You know, and what they need to understand, all those who are doing, all children, when they're doing these things
23:57and they're getting away the first time, the second time, there is going to be a time that they are
24:01going to end up in the place that they love because of how they're working hard about, the J-A
24:06-I-L.
24:07And there is where they are going to be showing the love that they have been put, telling in all
24:13of their lives.
24:14So they need to understand the meaning of love, you know, damaging so many, what can they do for them
24:19to you?
24:20Your honey, you can continue to have a blessed feeling and be safe, you are doing well.
24:25Bye.
24:27Thank you, ma'am.
24:28Thank you, ma'am.
24:29Well, you know, I listened to the caller, the caller referenced the Bible.
24:32Yes.
24:32And the Bible said the Lord disciplines or chasing those that he loves.
24:37So as parents, guardians, siblings, you all need to discipline your children.
24:44Train, train your children in the ways, not when they get big, but from baby.
24:52Start teaching them, start speaking with them, start showing them the right way, start correcting them so that they would
24:58have an appreciation for right and wrong.
25:01Start instilling the proper morals and values.
25:04The DTPS have some programs that can help.
25:07We have the hearts and minds.
25:08We have police youth clubs.
25:09I'm calling on the churches.
25:11Parents, take your children to church.
25:14Churches, we need you back in the community.
25:16All the stakeholders.
25:17You remember when you used to have Sunday schools with husbands?
25:20Yes.
25:20Yeah.
25:20My daughter is in the days.
25:22Sunday schools.
25:23She has to go.
25:24Parents.
25:26Parents.
25:27Guardians.
25:28I'm pleading.
25:29I'm begging.
25:31We could do better.
25:32You've got back to the phone lines.
25:34Caller, good evening.
25:37Hello?
25:38Hello?
25:39Good evening.
25:39Good evening, caller.
25:41Good evening.
25:43I am calling.
25:45Good evening, Mr. Russell.
25:46This is...
25:47Good evening, ma'am.
25:49Family.
25:49Good evening, Mrs. Husband.
25:51Good evening, ma'am.
25:51You said that your heart is broken, but my own is massive.
25:59It's massive of crime scene going on now.
26:04Mrs. Husband and Mr. Russell, people don't just pick up this and go and do crime, you know.
26:11They plan crime.
26:14They plan the queen by Mr. Z tomorrow, Mr. Q, what day?
26:20They plan, walk around to your car, Mr. Bill in your house, and they come, they do it willfully.
26:28Because you know why?
26:30Certain people said, pull the clip, and that is what they are doing.
26:35They have no guidance.
26:36That is why I said, bring back the hangman, and if you're talking about 10 of them, things will be
26:45cool.
26:45That is my contribution.
26:47You guys say, bless and reach home safe.
26:50Thank you so much, ma'am.
26:52Ma'am, sometimes the crimes are planned, and then there are some times where there's crime by opportunity, Coherent Felsen,
26:58where, you know, you might be going down the road, and he has the safe in him, nothing that he
27:03wouldn't call.
27:03But you may see somebody with a nice chain and say, hey, this person on the phone said they're not
27:08paying attention,
27:09and you may take that opportunity to snatch your chain off their necks.
27:13That way we ask the person to be vigilant all the time.
27:16Bring him back the hangman, and the hangman is the end.
27:19We still have to get the information from the public.
27:23We still need to arrest the persons, put them before the court, secure a conviction.
27:29The judiciary now have to play a part as it pertains to the sentencing of the individual,
27:33because the judiciary could say, life in prison, but no hangman.
27:39So it really, everything does not lie on the TTPs, but it's a system.
27:44Well, you know, when we go to the justice system, there's another conversation, as for tomorrow.
27:48But we get back to the phone line.
27:50Scholar, good evening.
27:52I'm going to say good evening to show my favorite presenters.
27:55Good evening to you, sir.
27:55Good evening, caller.
27:56Mr. Whitney, I want to correct something from yesterday.
28:01When I called in yesterday, I was talking about the pattern of an issue.
28:08Apparently, I was misunderstood totally,
28:12because I listened to the program this morning before 12,
28:16and I heard it being said clearly.
28:20When I said that I was in my late 70s, and I worked with you, with someone,
28:26it was the gentleman who was with you.
28:28We worked side by side for months on a particular project.
28:33Okay.
28:33I was exposed my bodyguide to the person in the fall.
28:38All he had to say was that he misunderstood what I was saying,
28:43because I have been involved in this project for many, many years with you.
28:49And when I look at the ambassador next to you today,
28:54you have to speak, anyone can afford to listen to him,
28:58because in fact, he's not very insultive.
29:02Because saying to a caller, he didn't feel relevant in what's being said,
29:08he's being insultive.
29:10I remember looking at a particular program,
29:13this same program, this same house,
29:17and after the presenter was insultive,
29:20I stopped looking at the program.
29:22So I think what I'll have to do for the next few months,
29:25the Monday night program, I have to mash it.
29:29I thank you all.
29:30Let's know.
29:31All right.
29:32To the call, I think what happened, I know what he's speaking of.
29:34We were not hearing him properly,
29:36and we were trying to put everything together
29:39with what he was saying.
29:40So I think it was just a miscommunication.
29:42No need not tune in on the Monday.
29:45Yes, mate?
29:46Well, that's something you missed, too.
29:48Right.
29:49Call her, she's trying to bring me into the thing.
29:52Yeah, no, no, no.
29:53But, you know, we hear you,
29:56we understand, and we will do better.
29:58Yeah, I think it was just a miscommunication.
30:00We will do better.
30:00We do apologize.
30:01I apologize as well,
30:04even though I wasn't here,
30:05but we will do better.
30:06But I will say,
30:07Captain is not an insultive individual,
30:08but we are back to the phone lines.
30:10Caller, good evening.
30:12Pleasant, good evening.
30:13I have a concern.
30:14What happened,
30:16there's an advertisement right now
30:17on social media,
30:20it is on almost every radio and TV station,
30:24where they're advertising for Spanish national
30:27or immigrants to come and register.
30:30It's in English.
30:31It has some Spanish up on my side,
30:34they will see,
30:37they cannot understand us
30:39when we're speaking to them sometimes.
30:41So I think it's unfair.
30:42So I think what,
30:44whoever is responsible
30:45should also put that,
30:47that I put us into Spanish,
30:50that at least they will understand,
30:51because it's just a few more days again.
30:53Yeah.
30:54Sometimes we ourselves have a problem
30:56to just tell them,
30:58look, okay,
30:59pass by me,
30:59I have something for you to call it,
31:01because they're going through a lot these days.
31:03You know,
31:04not after I'm supporting them,
31:06but you can't see people,
31:08regardless of where they are,
31:09you can't see them suffer.
31:11You know,
31:12so I think it's wise that they,
31:15you know,
31:15with whoever,
31:16you meet them,
31:17whoever,
31:17put it across in Spanish too,
31:19so that they will understand,
31:20they just have a few more days,
31:21I think it's up to the 26th.
31:23Yes.
31:24You know,
31:24so,
31:25please.
31:26Thank you so much.
31:27Thank you so much,
31:28caller for that.
31:28That's important.
31:29It's okay to support,
31:30because they're trying to do the right thing.
31:32Yeah,
31:32that's an excellent point,
31:33caller.
31:33I appreciate that point,
31:34and you make so much sense.
31:36And take it one step further.
31:38We need to have somebody here
31:39to do sign language as well.
31:40Oh.
31:42Yeah.
31:43Maybe the person that does the news
31:44need to come on
31:45from six o'clock,
31:47Jackie.
31:48Yeah,
31:48it comes from six.
31:49Yeah.
31:51Well,
31:51I'm sure they're listening,
31:52and they will pay attention to that,
31:54but of course,
31:55the Ministry of Homeland Security
31:57will be able to assist with that.
31:59I'm sure they're more than likely
32:00a rep will be listening.
32:01If not,
32:01we have the director
32:02who will also be joining us tomorrow,
32:05and we could pass on that information to him,
32:06so at least we could get that out there,
32:08and persons could quickly
32:09go unregister.
32:11Or even be the catalyst
32:13for an extension of time.
32:14You know,
32:15and you know,
32:15the idea should be taken forward
32:17so that when they do these advertisements,
32:19it would be in Spanish as well.
32:21Yeah.
32:22We head back to the phone lines right now.
32:24All right,
32:24but before we go back to the phone lines,
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34:58Caller, good evening.
35:00Good evening.
35:01Thanks for calling.
35:01I'm taking my call.
35:02Good evening, caller.
35:03My husband,
35:04and also the ESP Russell.
35:06Looking so dapper,
35:08looking like the man in the book.
35:09You look like the man in the book.
35:11I just want to say that,
35:12I salute again this evening,
35:15the work of the Trinidad
35:17and the Tobago Police Service
35:18in really dealing
35:20with this crime situation.
35:22I say that to say
35:24that I live in the West
35:26and I'm very overwhelmed
35:28in terms of the amount of crime.
35:30I saw somewhere down
35:32in the back of the area
35:34somewhere,
35:35where a man let go
35:37somewhere like about
35:3869 spent shelf
35:40at a garage, you know.
35:42It really hurt my heart
35:44to know that amount of heat
35:46is going into our society.
35:50The police will have
35:51more information
35:52on a situation like that.
35:54Those things will just happen just so.
35:56That could be some kind of
35:58reprisal from something earlier.
36:01I just want to tell you all,
36:03the police service,
36:04to continue relentlessly
36:06to strain these criminals
36:08because we depend on you all.
36:11We depend on you all
36:12for our safety.
36:13And I remember a few years ago
36:15we worked with some police
36:16and of course
36:16in Sacramas.
36:18I remember to say
36:19after God
36:20is the police.
36:22Something I never, never forget.
36:24And I really
36:25have all confidence in you all
36:27that you all will continue
36:28to reduce this crime situation
36:30and this code of crime
36:32in our society.
36:33And for that,
36:34I salute you all again
36:36this evening
36:36for your marvelous work
36:38in trying to
36:39clean up this country
36:40in the civilized society.
36:43Thank you ASP
36:46and also
36:46to your coding
36:47message back.
36:49Bye.
36:49Thank you so much
36:50ASP.
36:51So I say
36:51thank you for your
36:53continued support.
36:55And
36:55Sir Robert Peeler,
36:57the police are the people
36:58and the people
36:58are the police.
36:59By no means
37:01do we ever think
37:02that we could do it
37:03without you all?
37:04We need you all.
37:05You all, the public
37:06are an important part
37:07of the success
37:08of the China
37:09and Tobago police service.
37:11And we want the public
37:12to know that
37:12you are indeed
37:14important to us.
37:16we need the information
37:18we need the partnership
37:19we need you to be
37:21the eyes
37:21and the ears
37:22and that situation
37:23in Bagatelle
37:24I attended
37:26visited the scene
37:27personally
37:28because I was on
37:29and when you hear
37:32mothers, wives,
37:34daughters
37:37crying
37:39and wailing
37:40Miss Husbands
37:41that double murder
37:42bothered me
37:43for the entire weekend
37:46the two gentlemen
37:49the deceased
37:52just went to sit
37:54on there
37:54and take a leg.
37:56One of the victims
37:58the wife had just
37:59told him
38:00to stay inside.
38:03It is not easy
38:05to run out
38:05and Tobago.
38:08It is not easy.
38:11It bothered me
38:12the entire weekend
38:14because whether
38:15you have a connection
38:17to the person
38:18or not
38:18and I will tell you
38:20something to my officers
38:21especially those
38:22in the front line units
38:24the task force
38:24the GBs
38:25the ITF
38:26the homicide
38:28I sometimes
38:30I wonder
38:30how they do it.
38:32I saw a female
38:33came to process
38:34that scene
38:35Miss Husbands
38:36and when I looked
38:38at how she processed
38:39that scene
38:39I said to myself
38:40an hour will come
38:42where she would sign off
38:44and go back home
38:45to being her mother
38:46her wife
38:47her sister
38:48her daughter
38:50with the vision
38:53of that in her mind
38:55Trinidad and Tobago
38:57the job
38:57that the TTPs
38:58do
39:00is a thankless job
39:02and I thank
39:03the officers
39:05for all their commitment
39:07and their service
39:08because we don't rest
39:09straight from Christmas
39:11to Carnival
39:12and we continue
39:13to fight crime
39:15but we need
39:16your support
39:17we need
39:17your prayers
39:18firstly
39:21don't ever
39:21think that
39:22we are
39:22desensitized
39:23or disconnected
39:26we need
39:27that counseling
39:27a lot
39:29continued
39:30counseling
39:31and I want
39:32the seniors
39:33to be vigilant
39:33to know
39:34when somebody
39:35under your
39:36supervision
39:37requires that help
39:40because we have
39:40the regular issues
39:41we have children
39:42to drop to school
39:43we have issues
39:45at home as well
39:46we have financial
39:47issues as well
39:48some of us
39:49looking for houses
39:50from HGC
39:50and stuff like that
39:51as well
39:52when we coming
39:53out there
39:55to deal with the public
39:57we ask for your
39:58patience public
39:59we ask for your
40:01support please
40:02and this also
40:03was very disturbing
40:04as well
40:05we ask our viewers
40:06to take caution
40:07with regards
40:08to this video
40:09it's the
40:10fatal shooting
40:11of a Digo Martin
40:12man on Sunday
40:13morning
40:13in the bamboo
40:14area
40:15your discussion
40:16is advised
40:21Jesus
40:27so SP
40:28this is a video
40:29that continues
40:30to
40:30circulate
40:32which we mentioned
40:33earlier on the show
40:34the teeters
40:35and the wagons
40:36that continue
40:38to circulate
40:38through social media
40:40and you're speaking
40:42of the officers
40:43not being
40:44you know
40:46desensitized
40:46to what is happening
40:48but it seems like
40:49some people in the public
40:50from the remainder
40:51of the video of course
40:52that if you continue
40:53watching
40:54the way a person
40:55the way a person
40:55just will pass
40:56like it's normal
40:56gunshots
40:57open nobody
40:58with no haste
41:00to get away
41:01to remove themselves
41:03no concern
41:04no like
41:05oh my god
41:05what just happened
41:06are we
41:07have we reached
41:08the point
41:08where we are
41:09so numb to this
41:11I
41:14would not want
41:15to think
41:16that we are
41:17at that point
41:20some persons
41:21just choose
41:21to mind
41:22their business
41:24but crime
41:24is our business
41:26it's my business
41:27it's your business
41:28crime is our business
41:30the days of
41:31minding your business
41:32gone
41:33a friend
41:33from New York
41:34sent me that video
41:35and asked me
41:36what going on
41:37down there
41:37that's how far
41:38I reached
41:38yeah
41:40we have a call
41:41on the line
41:41let's have back
41:42to the phone
41:429th caller
41:43good evening
41:45good afternoon
41:46good afternoon
41:46good evening sir
41:49good evening sir
41:50and good evening
41:51miss
41:52ASP Russell
41:54good evening sir
41:56right
41:56you know
41:57I had a frequent
41:58call
41:58and I want
41:59to help you
41:59fix
42:00what I believe
42:01that is
42:02functional
42:03CTPS
42:04you
42:06basically
42:07wear
42:07two hats
42:08on this
42:09program
42:09one
42:10you're the
42:11second vice
42:11president
42:12of the
42:13second division
42:14and you are
42:14part of the
42:15corporate
42:16communication
42:17and media
42:17ambassador
42:18and I want
42:20to put
42:20the second
42:21division hat
42:21on your head
42:22this evening
42:22and ask
42:24your point
42:24in question
42:25I believe
42:26you are
42:27well read
42:27you scanned
42:28the newspaper
42:29you scanned
42:30everything that
42:31basically
42:32impacts
42:32on the
42:33performance
42:34of the police
42:34service
42:35there are
42:36several
42:37judgments
42:38that
42:39were
42:40recent
42:41within the
42:41last two
42:41years
42:42where
42:42a judge
42:43basically
42:44said
42:44police officers
42:46who are
42:47errant
42:48should
42:49pay for
42:50all those
42:51nefarious
42:53activities
42:53basically
42:55that
42:55a former
42:56former
42:57general
42:57said
42:58he is
42:59looking at
43:01legislation
43:01for that
43:02you as
43:03a representative
43:04of almost
43:0590%
43:06of the
43:06police
43:07service
43:08through
43:08your
43:08second
43:09division
43:09have you
43:10all
43:11engaged
43:11yourself
43:12on a
43:13position
43:14where if
43:15an officer
43:16is found
43:17wanting
43:17the taxpayers
43:19like me
43:19do have to
43:20contribute to
43:21that
43:21where do
43:22you stand
43:23as a
43:23second
43:23division
43:24and as a
43:25TTPS
43:25senior
43:26officer
43:26on that
43:27issue
43:27because
43:28I am
43:29in sync
43:29with the
43:29former
43:30former
43:30general
43:30legislation
43:31should
43:32be
43:32passed
43:32so
43:33errant
43:34police
43:34officers
43:34the
43:35bad
43:35apple
43:35should
43:36be
43:37held
43:37accountable
43:39all right
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45:45and we're back
45:46sp would you like to
45:48respond to the caller
45:48before we move forward
45:49the caller spoke about
45:50bad apples right
45:51and how we deal with them
45:54and in trying to be a good
45:55police service
45:56Yes, we pride ourselves on discipline, but no organization is perfect.
45:59We have the Departmental Order 14 of 2008, which speaks to the disciplinary process,
46:04where officers appear before a tribunal as a result of an investigation and the findings of that investigation.
46:10So there are quite a few apparatus to report an officer who has done something to offend you
46:18or has been seen in any sorts of wrongdoing.
46:21We have the Police Complaints Authority, which is a civilian body, where if someone thinks that they're not comfortable enough
46:27to go to the police service to report it, they can go there.
46:30And when they are completed with their investigation, they either send it to the police service so we can action
46:36it
46:36or they may send it straight to the Director of Public Prosecution for him to have a look at it
46:41to see what criminal charges could be borne out of the investigation.
46:45We also have Anti-Corruption Bureau.
46:47We have the Professional Standards Bureau, which also deal with the criminal aspect of the police officers.
46:52With respect to what he's saying where officers fund some of their wrongs or their misgivings from their pockets
47:01and the association's view, I would not want to pronounce on that, but out the instructions or discussions
47:10with myself, the President, Mr. Pitt, and the entire executive of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service,
47:16as well as the membership that we represent, sir.
47:20So I hope I would have answered the majority of your questions, but I would not stand here and pronounce
47:24on something
47:25with all the direction of my President and my members.
47:28Thank you so much for that. We are back to the phone, 9th caller. Good evening.
47:31Good evening, officer.
47:33Good evening, sir.
47:34How can the system anti-police officer and the judiciary, and the reason why I'm asking that,
47:43104 legislation was brought to Parliament within the last 10 years.
47:4724 of those legislations was actually to deal with criminal activities and crime.
47:5424 of these legislations, except for three, I think, that is when some young lady was killed
48:00and the pepper spray legislation was passed, bail amendment, and maybe a next one, right?
48:05How it is that the word abstain in Parliament became one of our, as a citizen, most dangerous word,
48:15the word abstain, right?
48:17How can, or what can be done to get officers and the judiciary hand untied?
48:24Our next thing is, husband, tomorrow, and the next officer comes in, the legal officer.
48:30Ali, attorney.
48:31Right. I wish you could ask if, because there's a narrative going around now concerning the dash cam in our
48:38vehicle.
48:40I have dash cam in every one of my vehicles.
48:43And at presently, right now, most of these vehicles come in, down with this nice, you know, touch screen in
48:49front.
48:50Right. Is it still something that you could get charged for, or so you could find out for us, written
48:56and answer tomorrow?
48:58Of course.
48:58And thank you very much.
49:00And, officer, good work.
49:02Thanks.
49:03You know, I'll keep it up. I know it's difficult, but, you know, I hope they untie all their hands.
49:08All right. Thank you so much, ESP.
49:11So, we hope that things could get better.
49:15Of course, you know, the judiciary isn't an independent body, and, you know, we would want to be careful how
49:24we do things in conjunction with the judiciary,
49:26because, you know, persons are entitled to free, fair trials, and we don't want the perception,
49:32because perception can indeed go a long way of collusion between the TTPS and the judiciary,
49:38especially as it comes to things like sentencing or somebody gets a conviction and they find the case was not
49:45strong enough to, you know,
49:46but there are things like appeal and privy concert, the deeper situations like that.
49:50So, we would do what we could do from this end.
49:53We would be guided by the laws and operate within the confines of the laws of the Trinidad and Tobago.
49:59All right.
49:59Just some quick information to the public.
50:01Now, the TTPS Community Justice Clinic notification on February 28th in the Eastern Division
50:07at the Kanapu Roman Catholic Primary School at Bailey Street, Sangha Grandi from 8 a.m. to 1 p.m.
50:15And also in the Southern Division at the Makulay Community Center, Makulay Road, Claxton B from 8 a.m. to
50:241 p.m.
50:25Take advantage of it.
50:26Of course, we have different matters that you could discuss from domestic violence, divorce, custody access, maintenance, and so much
50:34more.
50:34And, of course, for more information, you could contact 480-1421.
50:39All right.
50:40We head back to the phone lines at this time.
50:41Remember, you could give us a call at 623-1711, extension 1996 and 1997.
50:47Caller, good evening.
50:49Good night, Marvody.
50:50Good evening, caller.
50:52I would just like to recognize the police officers and the fully hard, diligent work they're doing.
50:58When things go bad, they're sharing.
51:00These guys are never stick to the remarks every single day.
51:03They're going into the unknown.
51:04They're unpredictable.
51:05And we tend to not recognize the best efforts, you know.
51:09They have challenges to their human.
51:11The guys and them are working hard, meaning that they move from multiple SOEs into Christmas, into Carnival.
51:19Now we're going.
51:20The guys are just going, going.
51:22This human factor burn out.
51:23These things are psychological.
51:25They're going into the crime scenes and they're seeing things.
51:29But the media won't see that apartheid when they actually have to go into the crime scene or incident where
51:34you have blood and all these things.
51:35So you have to recognize these guys and them fit.
51:37Give them the boxes because they take it to the max.
51:40We should recommend that these guys get medals and things due to the diligent work because this thing is motivation,
51:46you know.
51:46National awards.
51:47Let these guys get it because they're taking it to the max all the time, every day, non-stop, on
51:52a 24-hour basis in the interest of public safety and security.
51:56Thank you very much.
51:57Thank you so much, Paula ASP.
51:59Well, I hope that the powers that be, the government, the CPO, et cetera, heard the sentiments of the caller,
52:10you know, so that, you know, we understand what we're doing and all we want to do is feed the
52:16love.
52:16And money is not everything.
52:18Well, I hope the young ones are seeing, entering, they understand.
52:21But you know what?
52:22I want to challenge the public.
52:25When the officers do good work, say, thanks, officer, good work.
52:29Yeah.
52:29It goes a long way, right?
52:30It goes a long way.
52:32It trusts me.
52:33Good morning, officer.
52:35Have a good day.
52:36That's all.
52:37Good evening, officer.
52:38Good job.
52:39Yes, that's all we need.
52:40That is all.
52:41We head back to the 49th caller.
52:42Good evening.
52:44Yes, good evening.
52:46Good evening.
52:46Good evening, caller.
52:47Good evening.
52:48Good evening, caller.
52:50All right.
52:50Good evening.
52:52Good, good program, as for you, John.
52:56And the police service, I hope they still recognize that the society is recognizing the good work that people are
53:03doing.
53:04Right?
53:04It's all a limitation.
53:06Yes.
53:06Same thing, some good results.
53:08I want to go back to the question in terms of the young man who was convicted in the United
53:16States.
53:17Right?
53:17Two issues I want to go to the U.S.P.
53:21Do you think it's a tender, proportional?
53:26Do you think it was kind of linear?
53:29And then secondly, how can we get from our foreign partners to see if they can get the motive and
53:40the purpose for why this young man was transporting arms into the nation that we're under there?
53:47Right?
53:48Right?
53:48What are the ultimate goals?
53:51I think we need to do this.
53:53Particularly from a city player's perspective.
53:55We need to understand what single motive is in our young man.
53:58So many people are getting involved in this kind of arms and arms in the nation that industry.
54:04Are you listening to our fair?
54:05All right.
54:06Thank you so much, Kola, for that.
54:08Let's see.
54:08I'll answer your second question last.
54:11A lot of it is money and the individual may be of the opinion, I am living out there, so
54:18there's no way that this firearm would come back to harm me.
54:22I'm not certain if they are thinking as far as their family being victims or their friends being victims, but
54:29as far as that individual is concerned, I could sell a million guns to me down the road because it's
54:35not coming back at me.
54:36I don't live there.
54:37Four years.
54:38Yeah.
54:38Nine months, no?
54:39Four years.
54:40Now, when you look at the sentences, sir, I have no say over the sentences.
54:48Of course.
54:48I would reserve my comments.
54:49However, he was tried outside the jurisdiction of Trinidad and Tobago, and we have to respect the sentence that the
54:56court over there would have handed down to the individual.
54:59What we have to do now is to put systems in place because at some point in time, his sentence
55:05will come to an end, and he will be deported to our shores.
55:11And we need to ensure that we have the systems to monitor him or her and his team and to
55:18keep tabs on them that they don't enter or return into that.
55:23To open another empire, right?
55:25Definitely.
55:26But locally.
55:27All right, we head back to the phone lines once again.
55:28Caller, good evening.
55:29Final call for the evening.
55:31Good afternoon.
55:32Good evening.
55:33Good afternoon to the panel.
55:34Good afternoon, sir.
55:52Good afternoon, sir.
56:19Good afternoon, sir.
56:22Good afternoon, sir.
56:25Good afternoon, sir.
56:31Goodbye.
56:32being killed by the police, they are complaining about that and saying, well, why the police
56:39have to do this and why they have to do that, right?
56:42They need to train their children and to train up a child the way they ought to go, they
56:50will not depart from such.
56:53So the parenting, that's the problem with children going astray.
56:59Thank you very much.
57:03Say amen to that.
57:05You're right, and that's why I always make that call for the parents, the guardians, the
57:11siblings, teachers, you have a role, churches, you have a role to play, get the churches back
57:17in the communities, go out there, get the evangelism, go in.
57:21Teachers, come out who could support any neighborhood, come out and give some lessons for free.
57:25Let's build back that community, let's hold on to the children because, excuse me,
57:30you may be a teacher and you could give physics lessons, you could give science lessons, you
57:34could give math lessons, and your lessons might be the catalyst to change a child that was
57:39going wrong, was going down the wrong road.
57:41Once, you see, a lot of them need to know that somebody cares.
57:45Once you show that love that somebody cares, because the gang is willing to show them, right?
57:50Yeah, yeah.
57:50I'll buy your Jordans.
57:52I'll give you a vehicle, I'll give you a treat to put that wrong in your neck.
57:55Where is she, you know what you're feeling?
57:56Yes.
57:57So parents, guardians, siblings, community, we need you to show them that love before the
58:04gang.
58:04Show them the love.
58:05Yeah, and it's very important, again, and I'm going to reiterate this just as yesterday,
58:10to the young men who are involved in criminal activity, you're with so much more, and it
58:14is not just being a part of a gang.
58:16You have a life to live, and live it.
58:18Tomorrow, we get ready for Legally Speaking Wednesdays, our turn yet low.
58:22Mr. Ali will be joining us, so get ready for that.
58:25We get ready for news coming up next at 7.
58:27Thank you so much.
58:27ASP, TNT, God bless, and be safe.
58:29We're out.
58:39We're out.
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