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03:11Good evening, Trinidad and Tobago.
03:14And to our international audience and our brothers and sisters in Grenada, this is Beyond the Tape.
03:19I'm your host, Whitney Husbands.
03:21And let's just say today was a lot of energy happening in the city of Portisween today
03:26where we are seeing a lot of activities taking place from the coordinated formation.
03:30With every step, turn and salute executed with precision, we saw the officers showcasing their skills
03:39and, of course, the rhythm that is Trinidad and Tobago, which is a fantastic parade that took place today in
03:46the Portisween area.
03:49So many persons were able to witness something special, the young ones as well,
03:52that we are seeing the TTPS as they march in their, you know, very, yes, starched uniforms in their whites
04:04and showcasing their skills.
04:06And it's really something nice to see when you can bring out the children,
04:10especially to see what takes place in the city of Portisween.
04:13This is our home of Trinidad and Tobago.
04:16Now, heading to Tobago, it seems like there was like a money heist slash Italian job that took place also.
04:27And it was almost like a movie.
04:29Persons can be leaving.
04:30Persons weren't sure if Batman was vacationing in Tobago.
04:33We weren't sure what was taking place, but, of course, we'll give you more information on that
04:38and other issues that we're seeing taking place, not just on social media,
04:43but the conversation that many of us continue to have.
04:46But today is Wednesday, so the gentleman to assist us with that
04:49is one and only our attorney and director of policy and support in the Ministry of Homeland Security.
04:56We have Mr. Ali here with us, who is always willing and open to discuss everything that is legal
05:02and the laws of Trinidad and Tobago.
05:04Good evening to you, Sue.
05:04Well, good evening to you, Whitney.
05:06Thank you very much for a warm welcome.
05:07And happy belated Father's Day.
05:08Well, thank you very much.
05:09I know it's the middle of the week, but still.
05:11Well, I'm happy that you said happy belated, and I would just take away the belated,
05:16because every single day should be a day that's recognized for Father's Day, Mother's Day,
05:20and, you know, very important people, you know.
05:23So thank you very much, Sue.
05:24I'm going to show you your level of kindness, your gratitude.
05:27But it's indeed a pleasure to join you, as always.
05:30A lot is happening in Trinidad and Tobago.
05:33Very sensitive matters, and I'm sure that we'll be able to look at some this afternoon.
05:38Good evening to Jackie and, you know, our family on Beyond the Tape, you know, who assist us on a
05:42daily basis.
05:44The citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago, most importantly, my law enforcement colleagues,
05:48those who may be viewing and listening out of the jurisdiction, good evening to you as well.
05:53I'm here to assist you as best as I can.
05:55Yeah, so let's head to Tobago.
05:56We have to dive in, because this is what's trending right now, this morning,
06:00that we saw that this Baku that showed up with a person resembling Batman.
06:07That's what persons were saying.
06:09But they attempted to take an ATM out of a building with this Baku.
06:18And desperate times?
06:22Desperate times?
06:23Is it so desperate, Mr. Ali, at this point?
06:27Well, Whitney, what I can say to that, that's, you know, when you're looking at a crime,
06:34a crime normally constitutes two elements, an actor's real element and a men's real element.
06:38And while we are seeing the actor's real element unfolding, and with the assistance of a Baku,
06:47it is clear that there's an intention, and a deep intention, and a deep motive.
06:55And those are significant matters.
06:57Yes.
06:57And it goes to show how far the criminal element will traverse to ensure that they,
07:03if they are pursuing value, or they are pursuing, you know, other matters, how far they are prepared to go.
07:09Now, this operation, and it seems to be low light, but it's an operation that involves a tractor, a Baku,
07:19to be more precise.
07:20And, you know, it's, they are not concerned, or they seem to be concerned, in terms of, you know, what
07:25they set out to do.
07:26And this is as bold as you can get.
07:30Yes, and people are living around this area.
07:32Yeah, this is not a silent Baku.
07:35Correct.
07:36Correct.
07:37And, you know, I'm seeing a registration plate, I don't know whether it's a false registration plate or not,
07:42but by having this CCTV footage, at least they should be able to lead investigators for a swift investigation,
07:53you know, to bring some justice to the situation.
07:55At minimum, at minimum, we see any malicious damage to property, if not other things, as we go along in
08:01the inquiry.
08:02But, again, very significant matter, and this is something that Trinidad and Tobago,
08:06every sitting citizen needs to pay attention to this, how far and how prepared the criminal element is.
08:11And I'm certain if there's not a Baku that may have been stolen, the fact of the matter is that
08:16this will be someone's property.
08:19Yes.
08:19You know, being used for this particular act, and it's very significant.
08:23So, I hope that the detectives in the Tobago Division will do a diligent investigation, you know,
08:29to really uncover exactly what's happening here.
08:31Now, what we are seeing here as well, it seems to be two or more persons involved in this process
08:36as well.
08:36Of course, yes, yes, yes.
08:37And it could have more, we don't know.
08:39That's correct.
08:39So, you have already seen a flavor of organized crime in relation to this matter, if not gang activity.
08:44Yes.
08:45And we know that there was a very troubling report recently.
08:47And I know that we will speak about it in a short while.
08:49But very, very significant.
08:51And it's important for persons who may have information or intelligence on this matter,
08:56do not hesitate to bring it to the Tobago Division,
08:58so that you can progress the investigation expeditiously with reference to this matter.
09:03Listen to me, Batman is so persistent, like he wants this ATM, the desperation, look at this.
09:13Miss Ali, this is desperation.
09:17And you're still, at the end of the video, from what person saw,
09:21they still wasn't even able to live with the ATM after all of this.
09:27After all of this.
09:28Now, we have a report from the TTPS, from a media release,
09:32with regards to the situation that we're seeing before your screen right now.
09:37So, officers of the Tobago Division are this time searching for two male suspects
09:41as they continue investigations into reports of malicious damage,
09:46just as Mr. Ali said, and motor vehicle larceny,
09:49which occurred in Chilverne Road Police Station District early this morning.
09:53Now, according to reports, three estate constables were on duty at the YMCA and Beach Sports Facility
10:01and when they were accosted by two masked men.
10:05It is alleged the men instructed the guards to hand over the keys to a yellow caterpillar barco
10:11and a white Mazda truck.
10:13The suspects then proceeded to Shelbourne Street, Plymouth,
10:17where they allegedly used the barco in an attempt to access an automated telling machine
10:23by caching or crushing into and attempting to pull out the vault.
10:29However, their efforts to remove the vault proved futile after the arm of the barco sustained damage.
10:36The men then fled the scene in the truck, which was later found abandoned.
10:41Anyone with information on the above matter is asked to contact the Chilverne Road Police Station
10:48at 639-8888 or 639-1200.
10:53Officers of the Criminal Investigation Department and the Task Force Area North are investigating.
10:59Mr. Ali.
11:00I'm happy that you have brought some deeper context in relation to some of these suspected offenses
11:04and with reference to the barco and the way the barco came into the state of affairs
11:11in relation to this matter.
11:12As I said before, to endorse the point,
11:14anyone with intelligence or information in relation to this matter,
11:18you'll see the opening there that has been created
11:20with reference to the act of malicious damage
11:24with other ulterior intent and crime.
11:26Please expeditiously bring forward the intelligence and information.
11:30These are very significant matters and we must not take these matters lightly.
11:34Basically, because this is in relation to a banking institution,
11:40but you can easily see these things being directed to a person's home in another context.
11:46So let us deal with it and let's deal with it decisively and precisely.
11:49Yes.
11:50Now there was another matter that is circulating on social media
11:52and the TTPS, of course, is giving the information through a media release here
11:57with the information and facts that are given for us to the public.
12:01Now, TTPS executes search warrants in West Morines and Trin City.
12:05The Trinidad and Tobago Police Service confirms that arising out of an ongoing investigation,
12:11officers executed search warrants lawfully issued by the Supreme Court of the District
12:17at locations in West Morines and Trin City earlier today.
12:22During the execution of these warrants, two individuals were detained
12:27and are currently assisting investigators with the inquiries.
12:32No charges have been laid at this time.
12:35The TTPS emphasizes that the execution of a warrant is a standard investigative procedure
12:40and does not constitute a finding of wrongdoing.
12:44All actions taken by officers were conducted strictly within the parameters of the law
12:50under the judicial authority and with full regard for the rights
12:56and reputation interests of all persons involved.
12:59The TTPS further notes that no conclusions should be drawn regarding the status of any individual
13:07until investigations are completed and any evidence is properly assessed in accordance with due process.
13:15As this matter remains active, no additional details can be disclosed at this stage.
13:20The TTPS remains committed to conducting all investigations with professionalism, fairness, and respect for the rule of law.
13:30And, you know, I'm happy that I release what appears to be a very sensitive, high-profile matter.
13:37I'm happy that I release basically directing and giving some information and some education as well
13:42in terms of where, when you speak about search warrants, you know, being obtained from the High Court
13:48in pursuit of evidence and emphasizing that there's a presumption of innocence,
13:53notwithstanding that persons may be in police custody, assisting the police.
13:56And I'm happy that we are taking this sort of approach and it should be taken for every single investigation.
14:01The reason for that is that you're protecting the integrity of the investigation
14:04and you're also guiding members of the public in terms of how they can behave in a given situation.
14:09So, again, let's see how this matter unfolds.
14:12And I'm sure that the TTPS will be giving incremental updates as we go along with reference to this matter.
14:17Yes, that's very important.
14:18Right now it's time for us to take a look at what's making our SOE update as of June 24,
14:232026.
14:24Number of operations, 8,189.
14:28Number of targets, priority offenders, 2,268.
14:33Searches conducted, 3,377.
14:37Traffic operations, 4,941.
14:40Total persons arrested, 3,655.
14:45Total persons charged, 870.
14:49Firearms recovered.
14:50We're seeing an increase with revolvers and a total of 204.
14:54Ammunition recovered.
14:55We're seeing an increase with the 0.38, giving us a total of 3,769.
15:00And dangerous drug seized.
15:01We're seeing an increase with cannabis.
15:03Mr. Ali.
15:04Well, thank you very much again, Whitney, for reading these statistics to the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago.
15:08And as I always said, every time you read these statistics, it's enshrined that members of the public is or
15:17are providing credible information and intelligence to be able to assist.
15:22And for example, you have 34 revolvers.
15:24If you investigate each one of those fine, you realize that whether you're anonymous, whether you're normal informants, speaking to
15:29police, police do their inquiries, generating the statistics.
15:32So I want to salute the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago.
15:34And I always keep urging them that the life of investigation resides in their hand.
15:41Yes.
15:42You have the oath officers who are there to carry.
15:44But you have a very important and a significant role to be able to bring the intelligence, information, and probably
15:48subsequently to also participate in the criminal justice system, whether it be witnesses, whether it be as a jury, and
15:54that sort of thing.
15:54So very important, we are part of the criminal justice system, you must see yourself as being part of that
16:01system, and you must also see yourself being part of a system that you want to work so that you
16:06play a role properly.
16:07Yes. Right now, let's take a look at what's making today's headlines.
16:52And those are your stories making today's headlines.
16:54You remember, you could give us a call at 623-1711, extension 1996 and 1997.
17:00We take that break, and we'll be back.
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18:53Don't do what's hard to do.
18:54We haven't been formally introduced.
18:59This is very impressive.
19:00Supergirl.
19:02Supergirl.
19:29It's not a thrill.
19:30When your speed can't kill.
19:34It's not a thrill.
20:03Now, 186 gangs with an estimated 1,750 members are operating in Trinidad and Tobago.
20:12A June 2026 report prepared by the United Kingdom Home Office states.
20:20Now, in this statement and report that they gave in one of the armed sections they mentioned in the report,
20:27they were dealing with recruitment stated that the gangs target young people between the ages of 12 and 16.
20:34Recruitment has been reported in schools and within the prison system.
20:39The report also noted that women are also members of gangs and may occupy leadership positions.
20:46The researchers cited in the document stated that gangs maintain influence in some communities through financial support.
20:54Also, the mediation when it comes to employment and opportunities with persons within these said communities.
21:04Mr. Ali, we really have a gang problem, 186 gangs in Trinidad and Tobago.
21:11That is crazy.
21:11Well, Whitney, I want to thank you very much for highlighting that very, very troubling article.
21:17And I want to deal with that in a very calculated way.
21:21The article in itself, the article in itself, the release is of concern.
21:27And when I read deeper into the article, it's a 2023 mark that has been given in relation to the
21:38identification of 180-odd gangs in Trinidad and Tobago as of 2023.
21:44But while I am concerned and troubled by it, at the same time, I'm comforted.
21:51And I want to say why I'm comforted.
21:53I'm comforted because the part that you read in terms of where the report is suggesting that young people, the
21:59youths, are being recruited by these criminal gangs.
22:02I'm comforted because in March the 12th, 2026, the Ministry of Homeland Security, led by the Honorable Minister of Homeland
22:08Security, and state and non-state actors met in a national symposium looking and focusing on our vulnerable youths.
22:17And one of the vulnerabilities was exactly where we recognized that gangs were having an impact or influencing our young
22:26minds.
22:27And coming out of the symposium, and we have spoken about this at length on this platform, and I want
22:32to repeat it because I feel comforted because the state and non-state actors,
22:36and I want to commend all the state and non-state actors that has taken deliberate and decisive action thus
22:42far through the special psychosocial intervention and educational engagement which directly targets our nation's schools and students,
22:52to be able to create that resilience, that proper decision-making, to ensure that our students are taken away and
23:00understand the consequences of joining criminal gang activities.
23:03So that's one aspect of it. The second aspect of it is that we ensure that the society played a
23:09role with reference to closing that gap between our young people and the professionals,
23:15and not allowing gangs to fill that void where our young people is concerned.
23:19And to complement it, we are also involved in a national parenting seminar, emphasizing the importance of parenting to ensure
23:26that our young people are not being recruited,
23:29and if there's acts of recruitment, it is reported immediately so that actions can be taken.
23:33So I wanted to say that this afternoon, that while this report came in June, since March, actions will have
23:40been taken, discussions will have been had,
23:42and I want to really salute all the state and non-state actors, the Ministry of Homeland, as I said
23:46before, the Ministry of Education, Social Development,
23:49Children's Authority, TTPS, Prison Service, and then non-state actors, the social workers, the Association of Psychologists,
23:56Civil Society, you know, really coming together to be able to respond to the situation.
24:00So for the first time in a long time, Whitney, I can say that we have seen the report, we
24:05are concerned about the report,
24:06but we are already acting, and it's important for us to sustain these engagements, and may I say from a
24:13prevention context,
24:14having identified the gangs, the reverse, or I should say the complementary efforts will be hard-arm policing to ensure
24:21that the gangs that are existing,
24:23that there's also arrest, prosecution of these gangs, while simultaneously looking to prevent our young people from being recruited to
24:30this criminal gang.
24:31So I'm happy that you have raised that.
24:32So on one hand, I'm concerned, but on the other hand, I'm comforted, because I'm aware of the actions that
24:38are being taken with reference,
24:40especially with our nation's schools, and where our youths are concerned, and many more engagements are going to be coming
24:46on the stream very soon.
24:47Yeah. We have a caller on the line. Caller, good evening.
24:51Hello?
24:52Hello, good evening. Are you hearing me?
24:54Yes, we are hearing you, ma'am. Good evening. How are you?
24:56Good evening. I'm good, sir. And how are you all?
24:58Good.
24:59Officer, I hope he's okay.
25:02We're making sure that he's fine.
25:05Okay. All right. Thanks very much.
25:08Yes. Officer, concerning these gangs and the number of gangs, and you know, the same, like, you know, the different
25:16areas there are,
25:17you know, I hope that England, they have gangs too, and what they could do about it, because, you know,
25:24everybody just says whatever.
25:26Well, we have to believe that. I am thinking, what happens in the absence of the SOE?
25:32We would need help in order to deal with these gangs, because with the SOE, you could do this, you
25:37could do that, you could do whatever,
25:39but then when there's no SOE, what happens with us with these gangs?
25:42So we really need help.
25:44That's my first point.
25:45The second point is condolences to the family of the two officers who, we were told, committed suicide, one who
25:53was, you know, was on some charge, and the other one, and, you know, condolences.
25:58But do they have an area where they can, you could notice something, or whether they share something, and somebody
26:06will be able to assist them?
26:07Because, you know, it happens in every area, and, you know, we have to really look at that, because there
26:12are human beings too, like everybody else.
26:14The second point is a congratulations to the commissioner of police.
26:17And when you look at these things that was said about what he had done, what he had tried, you
26:22know, with the Homicide Bureau, Forensic, anti-cidnapping, extortion, you know, and whatever, and you're like, you have to support
26:29the officers and intelligence.
26:35Hello? I believe she was disconnected there on her end.
26:39I mean, we could answer with regards to, after the SOE, how are you all going to deal with gangs?
26:45Well, you know, I'm happy that she raised that point.
26:47I mean, apart from the SOE, Whitney, we also have the anti-gang legislation in the law books.
26:52And hence why, just a short while ago, I call for a deep enforcement of that legislation.
26:56If you are speaking about 186 gangs, and there's a legislation in place, it's important to enforce it.
27:02It is important to ensure that there's a proper response, so that the legislation can be deeply impacting these criminal
27:10gangs.
27:10And there are many offenses in that particular legislation that you can look at.
27:13And at the same point, we're making themselves aware you are harboring or you are recruiting young people to gangs.
27:20Very significant, very serious offense.
27:22And the parents, may I say, who are aware that children are in gangs, whether gang members, gang leaders, you
27:28have a responsibility.
27:29You can be charged for harboring a gang member or a gang leader who's a child.
27:34And if you are convicted, or even before you are convicted, the fact that you are aware, knowingly, and perhaps
27:42even in some cases benefiting from what that child may be bringing home,
27:46it's important for you to be exercising due diligence and acting properly.
27:51So if you are aware that a child is engaging in gang activity, you need to make your intervention.
27:56You need to seek necessary assistance, so that way you can be charged for harboring a child.
28:00And that's a very significant matter.
28:01And if you are aware that your child has been recruited to a criminal gang, you also have an obligation
28:05to report that, because that is in fact a criminal offense.
28:08So very serious offenses when we are talking about over-nation children, over-nation youths, and parents, parents, you need
28:16to understand where you can attract criminal liability if you are not acting properly.
28:22And the reason why I'm signaling out parents, because the vulnerable report here is youth students being recruited by gangs.
28:29Yes, underage.
28:29Yes.
28:30Correct.
28:30We have another caller.
28:31Caller, good evening.
28:33Hello.
28:34Hello.
28:34Hi, good evening.
28:36Good evening, Miss Husband and I.
28:38And a very good evening to you, Director.
28:40Good evening to you, sir.
28:41Director, I want to commend you and the team of stakeholders who are looking at the psychosocial intervention in the
28:53education system and concomitantly with a parenting angle.
29:00Now, I have seen from the newspaper, a lot of these schools are schools that are perceived to be having
29:11these issues.
29:12And I have seen you, and I haven't seen you, and I haven't heard of it, I might be wrong,
29:17that you have gone into schools that might not have had these issues.
29:23And I want to identify some schools that I have had the experience and the pleasure of being part of.
29:32A school in the East-West corridor, St. Agustin-Gurl.
29:37Two schools in the East-West corridor, St. Agustin-Gurl, St. Agustin-Gurl, St. Agustin-Gurl, St. Agustin-Gurl.
29:50These, from my vantage, have been high-performing schools, based on what I've seen with C-Sex, scholarship, etc.
30:00I would like you all to visit some of these high-performing schools to benchmark what has to be done
30:11to help fix those schools with perceived issues with violence and things like that.
30:20You will learn a lot from it.
30:22For example, one of the things I have always seen, parents are actively involved in these schools.
30:35They prioritize bringing their children to school and picking back this children and going elsewhere.
30:41The other thing, these three schools that I have identified with you, the NPTA was not a part of those
30:51schools.
30:51And I'm picking on the NPTA because at my time, where I was in these schools, we never participated with
31:00the NPTA because they were taught to be a North-centric.
31:05And I have experienced that, I have documented several times, they never participated in it.
31:12So I'll just see you up here and have a nice evening.
31:15All right. Thank you so much, Kola.
31:16Thank you very much, Kola, for your contribution in terms of where you're pointing us.
31:20But may I say that there are a number of schools that we have identified that we will be engaging
31:27in the very near future.
31:28But bearing in mind that we are in a period of examination as well and when we are going into
31:32a period of vacation.
31:33So we are very calculating on how we are making our intervention.
31:37But I must say to the general public, including the education sector, if there are particular schools that are in
31:42need of eminent intervention,
31:45or immediate, if I should say more precisely, please let us know so that we can direct the necessary focus
31:49in those schools.
31:50But we are looking at it in a very structured way.
31:52And may I say both Trinidad and Tobago to ensure that we have that engagement, that psychosocial intervention,
31:58and to ensure that our students are well guided and the different professionals are getting an opportunity to engage and
32:04share knowledge, experience,
32:07and also to give them the advice that they require to be able to reverse a headline where we are
32:14seen in our newspaper that Brittany just read.
32:18All right, guys.
32:18We need to take that short break.
32:19When we come back, we will continue with more after this.
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35:22And we are back.
35:23We have a caller on Whole Caller.
35:24Good evening.
35:27Good evening.
35:28Good evening.
35:29Good evening.
35:29Good evening.
35:30Good evening.
35:31Good evening.
35:31Good evening, thank you.
35:32You can remember me, but I would like to speak to you, ask the program, please.
35:38Now, you're speaking about schools and stuff like that, right?
35:42I have a grandson who is 14, going to St. Augustine School there.
35:51And when he started off going there, I warned him, because I told him, his aunt was going there.
35:58And she left that good, and she left that good reputation in school, and I want him to follow it.
36:03Every time his mother goes to meetings and stuff, there's one thing they have to say.
36:11I don't want to call his name, because he's embarrassed.
36:15One thing I have to say, he's going good, he's going good, just have to buck up on certain subjects,
36:22but he's going good.
36:26He loves football, and he doesn't give me no trouble, because I just tell him, I'm a mad woman, and
36:34I will come in school for him, and I will embarrass him in school.
36:39Up to this day, he doesn't give me no trouble.
36:44Up to this day, he says, why is it that other parents get in trouble for these two children?
36:50I am not clothing you, feeding you, and you're disrespecting me, and I'm taking care of you.
36:56No, I'm not doing it.
36:58I am not doing it.
37:00It is a serious thing.
37:02And you know what people will tell you?
37:04You know, these are different children from long-term.
37:08No, long-term rules still stand.
37:12Long-term rules still stand.
37:15And I'll just be upset when I hear this nonsense.
37:18I used to go to Providence, and when 6 o'clock reached, I have to be ongoing on this step,
37:26because in a while it's lit.
37:28And Sister Regina will tell you that I know those girls, who's FYZ, to try to see if she can
37:38catch you.
37:38But all I will say, I will continue to pray, and ask God's guidance for these kids, and for the
37:47parents, because some of them don't know better.
37:52God bless you guys who are doing a wonderful work as leaders.
37:56We saw this thing.
37:57Thank you so much, ma'am.
37:58Ms. Ali.
37:59Thank you very much, Kola, for, you know, very passionate.
38:01She's not making joke.
38:02Very passionate, very strong.
38:03And I'm happy that you have spoken to this program, but I'm sure that there are numerous parents, guardians, and
38:09caregivers who are listening to you.
38:11Yes.
38:11I feel the passion, and I'm happy that a parent, or a grandparent, or a caregiver have spoken to her
38:19peers with reference to this area of proper parenting, effective parenting.
38:23And, Brittany, we just spoke about that article.
38:26As I said before, it's of concern to me.
38:28Yes.
38:28But I also feel comforted because of the response that I'm aware, and the call by that caller.
38:33If we have many more like that, we will reverse the headlines that we are seeing with reference to 186
38:40gangs.
38:40If we can immediately injunct it there, 3,000 odd gang members.
38:47No, it's less, and I was going, well, I know we have a call, but I want to dive into
38:51that because we need to deal with that.
38:52It's 1,750 gang members that they, from their data, that they identified.
38:57Okay.
38:57So what we want.
38:58There's a minority.
38:59So what we want, that's 1,700 odd gang members.
39:02What we want is that we need to injunct it so that there's no further addition to it.
39:06So we deal with these 170 within the rule of law, very strong, and we ensure that there's no other
39:11child or no other person being recruited to a gang.
39:13And hence why the response that one requires, you have law enforcement, and I want to say the primary strong
39:19-arm investigation, gathering evidence, prosecuting persons, including white-collar investigations.
39:24But at the same time, we must marry it with a secondary approach where that prevention, educating, it cannot happen
39:32at educating these students in the nation's schools.
39:34If we are not careful, that's the market for these gangs.
39:38If we can injunct that, redirect them, that's going to remain a figure that we can continue to deal with,
39:47but we cannot have persons adding to that figure.
39:51And the parents have an important responsibility with this secondary intervention.
39:55So hence why I identify the psychosocial intervention, strengthening here, that's mental, making them more resilient, understanding their consequences.
40:04We even brought, and we would have spoken about it, bringing inmates who got caught up in these gang activities
40:09to speak about a life, being behind bars, getting involved in gang activity.
40:14Bringing our multi-sectorial approach, multi-discipline approach, and also complementing it with national parenting seminars across Trinidad and Tobago,
40:23so that parents also getting the assistance, they're getting the help to be able to parent effectively to be able
40:28to prevent their children joining criminal gangs.
40:32And not forgetting teaching them the rule of law.
40:34We apologize to the caller who is waiting.
40:36Caller, good evening.
40:38A blessed evening.
40:39Good evening.
40:40To the director of policy.
40:46I want to deal with treating this evening.
40:49I don't normally speak for so long, but I will deal with treating this evening.
40:56Halfway, in the first six months, our present commissioner's activity, we knew very well that he will end up as
41:07an excellent commissioner of police when the year ends.
41:10So congratulations to him.
41:13That is the one.
41:15The other one, I have sent a message to our beautiful sister, to an individual who is on the program
41:23right now, because I am fed up, not in him, in saki, and silver on his shoulders.
41:33And the third issue is, with respect to how could everybody know we have a hundred and fifty gangs and
41:42we cannot deal with it.
41:43What I would like to recommend, that we deal with our parliamentarians, to have the laws adjusted, amended, or make
41:54new laws, because I understand it's so difficult to prove that someone is part of a gang.
42:01Because we are trying to put tools in the police's hands, so they can do their work much better, better.
42:08I would be looking over here.
42:10Thank you, Kola.
42:12Thank you very much, Kola.
42:14You know, echoing the sentiments and commendations to the commissioner of police for, you know, exceptional work over the last
42:20couple months.
42:23And, you know, your second issue, you know, your kind words to my good self.
42:26Thank you very much for your confidence.
42:28I'm certain that the decision makers will be listening.
42:30And the final point in relation to where you looked at the legislation.
42:34And I'm happy that the way you looked at the legislation, because, you know, to be balanced, perhaps there are
42:40areas that we need to look at to simplify it or to make it more effective, you know, looking at
42:45it in other contexts.
42:46But, again, it's an area that we need to utilize where the enforcement of that legislation is concerned.
42:53And, respectfully, I don't think it's a legislation that is difficult to enforce.
42:58I think, like in anything else, if you have a legislation, the operationalization of the legislation, you need to put
43:05a structure and a system in place to be able to work it effectively.
43:09Because I am aware that the legislation has been enforced unsuccessfully in the past.
43:16And I can speak to that intimately.
43:18So I don't see that difficulty in the enforcement of the legislation.
43:22I think that the structure and system that is or are required to be able to enforce it consistently is
43:27what needs to be looked at.
43:29And perhaps from a policy context, probably I'll look at it and see how best, you know, we can, you
43:33know, develop those structures and systems through engagement with the commissioner, police, and the executive, and perhaps the honorable minister
43:39and other technocrats.
43:41But I'm happy that you take me there so that that concerning article can be dealt with precisely from an
43:48enforcement context.
43:49And, as I said before, complemented by prevention methods.
43:53But I'm happy that you are getting involved in the discussion.
43:55All right. Thank you so much for that.
43:56We take that break.
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46:57Now, Mr. Ali, we were speaking especially with young people.
47:00Even the callers, they were mentoring young people.
47:03But it seems like we have to really hold the parents accountable now.
47:07And we have been having this conversation on the show.
47:10And I'm sure among our peers, we have been discussing it.
47:14You've been hearing that chat of now is a time where you all need to take responsibility for the actions
47:20of your children.
47:21Yes.
47:22Because it seems like some of them, not all, don't care.
47:26Right?
47:27And we are seeing instances where young persons who are on social media singing songs, performing in a very disrespectful
47:37way when it comes to their age and things that are not age appropriate.
47:43Yes.
47:43Where are we with that, where we are seeing, because they must have a guardian or an adult or someone
47:50that's there that is condoning that.
47:53Yes.
47:53They're not, where they get any money to do that.
47:55Yeah.
47:55And you're not even in the teen, you're not able, you're not legal to work.
48:00Yes.
48:00So, what could we do as parents, and it seems like they are justifying the acts of their children, is
48:06okay.
48:07Well, Whitney, let me say immediately that when we are speaking about parents, and we are seeing some children behaving
48:16inappropriately.
48:18And inappropriately is an understatement.
48:19Yes.
48:20So, what you have just, and we all were aware of a recent video that was circulating.
48:27Immediately, it signals that that child is in need of care and protection.
48:30Because you said that, that if a parent or parents are aware that that child is behaving in the way
48:37that that child is behaving, that child is in need of care and protection.
48:39In other words, the parents can also be aiding and exposing that child, which may be detrimental to that child's
48:46overall development, whether it be from an intellectual or mental, whatever.
48:50So, it's important for us to look at these things.
48:52And may I say there's an institution in the Children's Authority of Trinidad and Tobago that if a child is
48:58in need of care and protection, based on how that child is conducting his or herself in the public domain,
49:02it's important for that, for there to be swift intervention to ascertain, well, okay, what's happening with this child?
49:08Let's look at this child environment.
49:09Who are these parents?
49:10And to see whether, in fact, there's a need, in the first instance, to see whether there's a need for
49:14support to these parents where that child is concerned,
49:17or whether it's a situation where you may have to take, what, actions that may be of a criminal nature
49:23where these children are concerned.
49:24So, for the parents, to drive your point home, do not place yourself in a position where you are exposing
49:31your child to harm.
49:33And harm is defined very, very wide, whether it be from a, as I said before, whether it be from
49:38a emotional, psychological, intellectual, and many other aspects of harm.
49:44Do not expose your child to harm.
49:46That's a very significant matter.
49:47You have a responsibility because you have institutions who are looking in where they can call you to account, even
49:53take you before a court of law.
49:55Oh, so that could happen.
49:56That could happen, even.
49:57And may I say that when we're speaking about a child's best interest is everybody's business.
50:04Correct.
50:05The persons who are seeing that, and I'm going to say this on public television, that a citizen can move
50:13an action before the court where that child is concerned,
50:16if you believe that child is in need of care and protection or exposed to harm.
50:20And a court now will call for those parents and various state agencies to get involved to see how can
50:25we protect this child.
50:26That's how significant that matter is.
50:28The thing is, it comes back to the question, are we enforcing the laws in the way that it should
50:31be enforced?
50:32That's the point.
50:33Yeah, we have a caller.
50:34Caller, good evening.
50:37Hello.
50:38Yes, good evening to you, ma'am.
50:41Good evening.
50:42I understand.
50:43Good evening to you.
50:45Yes, first of all, the tribunal, I would like to know what's going on with the tribunal.
50:52That's one.
50:53I've been asking about that after yesterday.
50:55Yes, we did.
50:56And two, it's going to take more than talking.
51:04Yes, we talk, and we're going to do that.
51:06We're going to keep doing that, but it's going to take more than talking to deal with a spiritual problem.
51:13This is a spiritual problem.
51:15This is not some psycho, mental problem.
51:21It's like a person who is doing something, let's say a gun or a knife, or if the police would
51:33have killed that person, the spirit, and I know a lot of people do not understand this, so they will
51:41say other things, but we will keep hitting our head against a wall until we deal with the problem.
51:50The problem is a spiritual problem.
51:52The problem is a problem of the heart, and until the heart is changed, there's no hope.
51:58So, I, Morris Johnson, pastor of the Church of the Firstborn Assembly, gave my life to the Lord Jesus Christ
52:071962 at the age of seven years.
52:11My mother and father brought us up to fear God.
52:15Those were the days when children were brought up to fear God, the fear of God.
52:21So, you know what, you're stealing, and all of these ills in our society today was not prevalent.
52:29The reason is that when you remove God out of the equation, and you're using the psychology and all the
52:36rest of it, you will discover that God will allow you to do what you want to do until you
52:43come to the end of yourself as a nation, as a human being, or as a family.
52:49And until we come to the end of ourselves and realize that God is the one who is going to
52:55turn the situation around, there's no hope.
52:58My mother brought nine children into this world.
53:02Six girls and three boys.
53:04Not one of us have had anything to do with the law.
53:09Not one of us the police have to put their hands on, right?
53:13There's hope, but the hope is in the right place, and that is in the one who Morris Johnson served,
53:20the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
53:21I'd still like to hear about the tribunal, please.
53:25Thank you very much, and thank you for giving me the opportunity.
53:28Again, thank you.
53:29Thank you so much, Kola.
53:30He called yesterday with regards to the tribunal, and is it being in the SOE?
53:36Where are we with that?
53:37I don't know how much you could discuss on it.
53:40What I can say to the tribunal, the tribunal is there to be able to review persons who want preventative
53:45detention orders.
53:46But in the SOE?
53:47In the SOE.
53:48And it will make recommendations based on its findings to the Honorable Minister as to whether a person should continue
53:53to be detained or not.
53:54But the minister is not binded by the recommendations of the tribunal.
54:00Okay.
54:00So that's the difference.
54:02However, subsequent to the SOE, if a person still feels aggrieved, that person can have an action before the High
54:08Court in a judicial review.
54:09Even though in the SOE.
54:10But just for the SOE, remember, you want to be trusting the executive still with the decision whether they want
54:15to continue to detain someone in the interest of public safety and security.
54:18This built-in tribunal is ensured that there is some level of due process and fairness.
54:22Because the minister, if he is advised by the tribunal, okay, there is insufficient grounds.
54:26He can comply with the tribunal.
54:29But at the same time, he can also say, well, no, I'm not complying because I am privy to certain
54:34intelligence, and he's going to exercise the discussion.
54:36So it's a very sensitive point, but there's a built-in system.
54:38So I'll give you that from a legal context.
54:41But back to the spirituality, I'm happy that you raised that as well.
54:43And I want to say that the psychosocial intervention is no way dismissing the requirement of spirituality.
54:49We are a society that has different religious background, different religious belief.
54:54And we expect, at least in the family home, that parents and good parenting will also recognize, bring that spirituality
55:00into your children.
55:01So whether you're a Christian, Hindu, Muslim, whatever the case is, you need to inculcate that in your children as
55:06well.
55:06So this is something that also resides with the parents, ensuring that there's spirituality within the particular home.
55:12But at the same time, that the psychosocial intervention, in terms of where society is concerned, we also have our
55:20professionals playing their role so that children will understand.
55:23In other words, using the professional, using God's wisdom, using God's knowledge, using God's guidance and experience to be able
55:30to impart it on the young people so that you could shape and mold them.
55:32So you're assisting, and there's a saying with me, service to man is service to God.
55:40Beautiful.
55:40So at this time, we have our final caller.
55:42At this time, caller, good evening.
55:44Good evening.
55:45Good evening.
55:47Yes.
55:49We have an issue with panel van on the Muruga Road.
55:55A panel van?
55:56Yeah.
55:57Okay.
55:58With school children and encouraging them to smoke and drink and we want something to be done about it.
56:07No one made a police report, sir?
56:10No one made a police report, sir?
56:11Well, I don't know if anybody made a police report.
56:13I wanted to make a thing on the TV about it.
56:18All right.
56:19Well, we need to make a police report, too, but thanks for that information.
56:22We can pass it on to ASP.
56:24Certainly.
56:24Yeah, thank you.
56:25We will pass it on to the relevant division and district station to be able to look at it.
56:30But, you know, probably if you leave a number, we can get a deeper context.
56:33When you speak about the panel van, what exactly about the panel van that you're speaking about in relation to
56:36the Muruga area?
56:37Yeah, well, of course, we'll get more information on that to assist because, you know, as I mentioned, many times
56:44on the show with ASP doesn't, like when I say it, that they still don't feel comfortable calling, you know,
56:50a police station to give information, even though we will give the info, you can call 555-800-Tips is
56:55anonymous.
56:56They still don't feel comfortable, but yet they feel very comfortable calling the show to at least try to get
57:02the information out there so we could assist.
57:04And that's all we could do.
57:05And that's exceptional. This is our medium. This is our forum. And please, Whitney, continue to entertain them.
57:09So as we get that information, I hope we can assist because it's young people again. Remember you mentioned it?
57:14Yeah.
57:14We have less than 10 seconds. Mr. Ali, the floor is yours to close off in a grand way for
57:19us.
57:20Well, thank you very much, Whitney. And thanks to all the callers and your contribution. It is well received.
57:24And Trinidad and Tobago, let us continue to, you know, be strong. Let us continue to play our role. Let
57:28us be responsible.
57:29And parents, let us step up to be able to protect our children and our extension of the nation's children.
57:36But it's a pleasure as always with you.
57:37Yes, Ms. Ali, thank you so much. We get ready for news coming up next at 7 TNT.
57:41Continue being a hard target. Be safe. God bless.
57:44We're out.
57:45We're out.
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