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00:00So let me tell you why I disagree with you. You said you were disappointed
00:04by the wide receivers. I think you had to make a pick.
00:07You had to make a choice, I should say. Obviously, you made a pick. You made 10 picks,
00:10for crying out loud. But you had to make a choice here. Because to me, the disaster scenario
00:16was going into Thursday, and obviously we're going to get back to the Cavs and their loss,
00:20and I'm not freaking out. Somebody else in this room kind of is. I can sense it,
00:24and the fans want to freak out on him. But let me tell you why I disagree with you.
00:30I thought that the disaster scenario that they avoided was taking a Monroe Freeling,
00:35or God, the Caden Proctor stuff just wouldn't stop about how they were going to trade down
00:39and take Caden Proctor. And I like his athleticism. I like his strength. I think his feet are better
00:45than what people want to give him credit for. My concern was you take a guy, and I'm sensitive
00:51to this, obviously, because I know I'm a radio show host, and there's kind of a rail you shouldn't
00:56always talk about other people's bodies and weight. But for an offensive lineman,
01:00it's easier to put weight on than it is to keep weight off. And I was worried about that.
01:04Now you bring in a guy like Spencer Fano, who was basically a number one for a lot of folks
01:10out
01:11there. And to say that he's generational or anything like that, no, no, no. I'm not going to say that.
01:16I think he certainly raises the floor a great deal. And anything above that, if he ends up like
01:22Anthony Munoz or Joe Thomas, great, be wonderful. But I think he's going to be obviously solid and
01:27sturdy for you for a long time. Good kid, good player. Didn't give up a whole lot when he was
01:34in college. Didn't give up a whole lot of sacks. Was good on the run game, which I thought was
01:40weird
01:40with some of the criticisms that I saw, where a lot of people said he was good in the run
01:43game,
01:44but they also said he lacked upper body strength. They go, man, his feet must be incredible if he's
01:48good in the run game, but he lacks upper body strength. These things don't always make sense
01:53to me when it comes to the differences in opinion on how a guy's going to play. But you mentioned
01:57the wide receiver. Had they had taken a Monroe Freeling or a Caden Proctor, and then you aren't
02:02able to start him, and then you take a wide receiver later on, fine. But I think you just
02:06had to make a choice about what's more important to you. They decided inside out was more important.
02:11They decided to build with a great lineman, and then they decided to build with the third
02:15or fourth, depending on who you are talking to, wide receiver in this draft. They could
02:20have went the other way, and I thought for a second they were going to go the other way.
02:22Yeah, we did wonder that. And if Carnell Tate was on the board, perhaps they may have taken
02:26Carnell Tate. I have nothing that tells me that they would have. But if Carnell Tate wasn't
02:30on the board, since Carnell Tate wasn't on the board, maybe I have the Tennessee Titans
02:33to think, because this could be as solid as you get. You get a good offensive, you're hopefully
02:38going to be getting a good offensive line again. Now, George Warhop, he's got the most pressure
02:43on him than I think any assistant coach has had with the Browns in a while, and certainly
02:47in the city of Cleveland, I would say this year, because that offensive line has to protect
02:51whoever's going to play quarterback. But you were going to have to give up some. You were
02:55going to have to give up the idea of the number one wide receiver in this draft, a number
02:59one for your team. These are two solid number twos. And to say, well, when are they going to
03:05get that number one wide receiver? It may be a year, it may be never. It may be a trade.
03:10It might be a trade someday down the line for somebody disgruntled because you're thinking
03:132027. We're going to see how these quarterbacks play it out in 2026. And I made my cheat sheet
03:20for a reason about 2027. Even over the weekend, when I got home on Saturday night, I started
03:25in on the stuff for 2027 and just going, Hey, I better be ready. I got 13 guys here, 14
03:30guys here to pay attention to for the future. And we're going to find it all out. And if they
03:34got to take their quarterback in 27, well, they're probably going to have to move up and
03:37do it. Cause they certainly didn't punt to 2027 with this draft. These are solid players.
03:41Well, what would a punt of look like to you? Doing what Joe Banner did and getting rid
03:45of all your picks, having five draft picks or whatever it was and moving on to next
03:50year, knowing that this team is going to be good. That's what that would have only made
03:54sense if you could get first rounders in 2027 and who was giving those up. Nobody was
04:00giving them up. So that I don't think any team would have been pointing in that regard.
04:03They could have, if they really, really, really wanted to, you know, the whole T word
04:07gets brought out and well, I want to get to this. Well, you see what Miami is trying
04:10to do and you see what a couple of teams are trying to do. They could have moved back
04:13and just taking guys in the third, fourth, fifth round or whatever to, to help out their
04:19situation and possibly being able to get arch me. They didn't do that. These are solid
04:23football players that I think are going to help. I mean, good guy. I can't see anybody
04:26having a problem with Emmanuel McNeil Warren. No, no. I loved it. I loved it. Um, a little nervous
04:30when he talked about, they, they, they under some footage of him talking about going after
04:35a Derek Henry, like, uh, wanting to hit Derek Henry. I'm like, well, that didn't go so well
04:39for another Browns player. So we should probably, well, well, well, for Grant Delbert, Grant
04:42Delbert went right after the guy. I mean, to hell with it. So I, I, I, I do want to
04:46know
04:46he's not afraid to run into people. Yeah. I do want to know, um, for everybody that thinks
04:51this draft is like an all time great draft and it's fun to get carried away with that stuff.
04:56Obviously this is the best time to get carried away with the Browns every single year. As
05:00we know, do you think this draft is so good that this takes them out of the running for
05:06being one of the worst teams in football next year? Cause I don't, I do not. I wish I could
05:13say yes, but with the quarterback play being a total mystery, you know, Shador could go.
05:19I got, I got hope for Shador that he could handle the offense. I got, I got virtually no hope
05:25for Deshaun Watson. I mean, you're, you're sitting there trying to talk about winning the
05:28quarterback competition. If you believe any of the national people, well, cause he's the guy
05:32who's played at a, at a high level before. And he's a guy who's seen offenses in the NFL and
05:37certainly has seen more defenses in the NFL, but that was six years ago. So the quarterback play
05:41is going to be a mystery. That's the only thing that's tampering any expectations for this season.
05:45Like I, I, I could feel myself on Saturday listening to the coverage on the way home
05:52and hearing about, and I knew he would take a quarterback and he did, uh, because he thinks
05:57quarterbacks are, are, are currency. And I, I do want to talk to Daryl about Taylor green. Cause
06:01I'm like, I want to talk about it too. Kind of excited about this. I mean, that's a big body
06:05guy. I know what you said. Well, but his versatility, if I get a taste in Hill type player,
06:11I want to see him altering preseason. I want to see him as much as I possibly can.
06:16I don't know if I'm going to, no, I do want to see him a quarterback in the preseason. I
06:19just
06:19don't know how much I'm going to be able to give him reps when technically we got four guys,
06:24but I don't think it's going to be four guys by the time we get to training camp.
06:26But people want to see him steal reps from Shador. No, stop. No, no. I'm being dead serious.
06:32I, I, to me, I don't know why we're wasting any time talking about him as a quarterback.
06:37I mean, like let's let, okay. We can gimmick it up, but he's, he's not a quarterback.
06:42There's nothing about him. But if he could be a taste some Hill type of player for you,
06:46I just, if he, Hey, if he doesn't pay it out in camp, we'll just cut him. He's a six
06:49round
06:50pick. Okay. Hopefully you can stash him away on the P squad, honestly. But I, I, I'd love
06:54to see what he has to offer. I think he could be fun in the red zone. Yeah. I watch
06:59a lot of
07:00him at Arkansas, but he is not, he's not projecting at all as a quarterback in this league.
07:05He is a starting. No, that's why he was in the six round. So why would we be talking
07:09about having him steal reps from any of the guys when we're mired in a quarterback
07:13competition to begin with? Shador was the fourth quarterback. He got a few reps last year.
07:17Are we trying to go right back to last year? No, but we split in the football fields again.
07:21Hold on. Why does everything have to be this? Do we have to wreck three houses to open up
07:26more practice fields? I don't know why that needs to get brought up. Why does everything
07:30have to be an extreme? I can't just bring him in and see what he has during rookie camp and
07:34then see where that goes from there. I can't do that. I can't be curious at all. Oh, what
07:38a guy who's six is able to do and can move like a cat. I can't be curious about that.
07:43I said it, I think a month ago that I look at Terrell Pryor who was not a starting quarterback
07:50in the NFL. They, they tried a couple of teams tried to give him a run at it. It didn't
07:55work.
07:55And then wow, converted halfway through his career. They put him a wide receiver, boom, thousand
08:01yards. And I'm like, had he had been doing that from day one, what could he have been? And Taylor
08:05and green, I'm, I'm not your agent. I'm not your coach. I look at the Terrell Pryor comp and I'm
08:11like, this guy is a freak of nature. Let's see if we could convert this dude to one of the
08:16better
08:17weapons and one of the all-time steals in the NFL. Cause he is a freakazoid athletically.
08:22One, the league was different when Terrell Pryor got into it. Two, I mean, you're talking about
08:27even wide receivers who make a lot of money and tight ends who make a lot of money. It's still
08:30not what quarterbacks make. Yeah, but he's not a quarterback. Well, damn it. He's going
08:35to try to be one. Cause if you make, to me is the quickest way to shorten your NFL career
08:39is to think you're a quarterback. Okay. Well, if you make money, I don't know. I've seen plenty
08:43of guys who I, I think right now we are as open. We should be as open-minded as quarter,
08:48but with quarterbacks as we ever have been, but I think you're really overthinking it.
08:51He's not going to take away reps from Sean and from Shador. I don't know. I don't, I don't think
08:55you are. I think you're, you think this guy, I think you want to say that they wasted
08:59the pick and you just don't want to say it because you don't want to sound like an idiot
09:02because you think that they wasted a six round pick. This is the thing. Cause they didn't
09:04waste the pick. He's a quarterback who can do multiple things for you as long as you use
09:09them. It's a complete wasted pick. It is a complete wasted pick. If he is trying to be
09:14a quarterback, it could be an awesome steal of a pick. If they could convert him to a great
09:19athlete who can be a great red zone weapon. What do you want to do with an athlete? What's the,
09:25what's the, what's the number one thing you want to do with an athlete? What's the number
09:29one thing you want to do with an athlete, Anthony? What's the number one thing you want
09:32to do with them? Get him the ball. You want to get him the ball. So obviously
09:35as a quarterback, he's going to start with the ball. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
09:39All right. What are we running? Wildcat rhythm exclusively? What did Casey
09:44Concepcion play in high school? What did he play in high school? Well, answer the question,
09:48Owen, you know, the answer is probably quarterback. Get him reps. Get him reps. No, because he's
09:53a wide receiver. Get him reps. Get him reps. Get him reps. Get him reps. Because the most
09:55athletic guy, because the most athletic guy usually plays quarterback in high school.
10:01How many quarterbacks do you want, Ken? And when you want athletes, you get the ball in
10:04their hands. So I'm not saying he should start week one for the Cleveland Browns. I'm saying
10:08what? Browns now have 10 quarterbacks in camp. I got a 6'6 monster. Why on earth would
10:12I not kick the tires on whether or not this guy has when we have one of the worst quarterback
10:15rooms in all the NFL? I'm all of a sudden going to be picky and choosy over a guy like
10:19Taylor Green in the sixth round? No, I'm not going to do that. That was a fine pick. I'm
10:23glad Andrew Barry made it. As long as it's not a quarterback, it's a fine pick. This could
10:27be an awesome weapon. All right. So it would be picky and choosy over all the other ones
10:31when all you do is sit there and harp about how bad the quarterback room is. Then I guess
10:35they really should have shot their shot. Why are people making fun of the Rams? Why are
10:38people making fun of Sean McVay? I guess we should have overdone it and went after Ty Simpson
10:42and just been on with it. No, you didn't want to go after Ty Simpson. You did say a
10:45damn word the entire way up. So take your Taylor Green and try to make the best do with
10:49it and see whether or not we can use him in an offense. The Ty Simpson thing might be the
10:53end of Sean McVay and Les Snead. Might be the end. I'm serious. Lord. I'm serious. Those
10:58guys look like they want to kill each other. 216-474-0092. I mean, this is... How do you
11:06have no... It's one of the worst offenses we've ever seen in the last two years. You have
11:12zero inclination to have any imagination with this offense whatsoever. I do. I do have imagination.
11:17Using him as an all-time weapon is the imagination I'm talking about. Not putting him as a potential
11:24quarterback down the road. Like, no. I'm going to take the guy. He is draftable as a quarterback.
11:29See, this is what you don't understand. That's why I keep looking at him. I'm not the only one
11:33thinking this. He's draftable as a quarterback. I'm not the only one who thought he should have
11:36converted. I'm going to take him and turn him into a wide receiver, a tight end. I got to teach
11:39him how to run the route tree in three months? No, I'm saying... In three months? I got to teach
11:43him how to do that? You even said stash him on the practice squad. What's the three months thing?
11:47Hopefully you can do that. But you're going to put him in the position that he's most comfortable
11:52coming out of the draft. Well, then he'll be most comfortable getting cut and out of the NFL
11:56in six months. No, hopefully we'll put him on the P squad if he isn't able to make the 53
12:00-man
12:00roster. More than likely, he would not be a 53-man roster guy. But if he's
12:06able to... If we're able to take him and put him on the P squad, then he becomes... He
12:10might be able to be some sort of a weapon down the line for you. Or maybe he is able
12:14to make
12:14the 53-man squad. And I can use him in a Taysom Hill... I can use him in a Taysom
12:18Hill
12:18form. But I just... I don't believe... That's what I'm saying. We spent all this time bitching
12:22about... Okay, that's all I've been saying. Why are you yelling about turning him into a tight
12:25end or wide receiver? Taysom Hill still was a quarterback. Taysom Hill still played the quarterback
12:29and got the ball as a quarterback. He was a guy who played quarterback when everybody was injured
12:32and they were trying to lose games. Why did they pay him money? Why did they pay Taysom Hill?
12:36They thought of him as like a weapon. An all-time weapon. And Sean... And Sean...
12:40But it's been one of the more... Sean Payton, your hero, used him as a weapon when he saw
12:45Drew Brees as quarterback. He didn't just say it was a waste of time. I mean, open up your
12:49freaking eyes for a second and try to have some semblance of what an offense could be.
12:53I'm just trying to give this kid a career in the NFL. And like I said, the Terrell Pryor
12:56thing is a perfect, perfect example. And if he wants to make the most amount of money
13:01he can in the NFL, follow that pattern. And Terrell Pryor was about six years late in
13:06doing what he should have done. Because this guy is a freak athlete and they could absolutely
13:11get a steal at six rounds using him in other ways. So I'm going to take him as a freak
13:14athlete and I'm immediately going to take him and try to turn him into something that he
13:17might not be too terribly comfortable with. Sounds like Jed Wills all over again, except
13:21he was a first round pick. It's a six round pick. You're not going to do this with a six
13:23round guy. That's who you do it with. You don't do it with a first round pick. You do it
13:27with a six
13:28round pick. It's not what I'm going to do. I'm going to try to make him comfortable
13:30because I know that if I get the ball in his hands, I can do a plethora of different
13:32things. I can teach him my offense. And if I get him out there, then I still have to
13:36make people worry about him. I still have to make people think about him. If he gets
13:39into a game and I get a defense that hasn't seen him before, then I have to put them
13:43in a position where they have to plan for it. Or I can put him into a game and make
13:47other defenses have to plan for the possibility and never have to do it. There's so many
13:50things I can do with a guy who's played quarterback at a high level, which Arkansas
13:54is a high level. And before that, what? Boise State, if I'm not mistaken.
13:57Yeah, I saw him at Arkansas. That's a clearly high level. There's so many things
14:01I can do for a guy that's played at that level. And I don't mind that they were
14:04open-minded to taking the guy and he could come in. I think they'll get rid of Dylan
14:08Gabriel in some fashion and then they'll make him the third team quarterback of
14:12some sort. And we'll see whether or not he's got it. He might not. He's a six
14:15round pick. So what? No big deal. As Andrew says, quarterbacks are currency. So
14:20maybe he's a big body that I could turn around and turn into another pick. Maybe even a
14:24higher pick later on in life. But to just go, eh, he's a tight end. He's a wide receiver.
14:41They're not because Richardson is still somebody's going to trade for him. Do you
14:45think the Browns are Anthony Richardson? I'm not. You think the Browns are out? No,
14:48the Browns. Oh, I don't think they're out on anybody. Okay. I think they're open-minded
14:52to everything. I'm just, I'm not interested in Anthony Richardson. No.
14:56I just want to know if the draft signaled anything to you about like, we're done.
15:00This is the room. This is the quarterback room as is. Because I saw, I saw people
15:04insinuating that there still is, there still is a chance. Exact Jackson.
15:08Well, I think those are people who are desperate to not have to cover Shador Sanders and Deshaun
15:15Watson. Whoa. Okay. I mean, it could end up being great. It could end up being a disaster
15:21in the past. It's been an absolute disaster. So I'm not going to deny how they probably feel.
15:25And if they feel that they, I don't know if Zach feels that it's an upgrade. Maybe he's
15:29just reporting it. Cause I don't think Anthony Richardson is an upgrade over anything that we have
15:32in the room.
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