00:00It's weird, nobody's accusing the Browns of trying to be the smartest guys in the room.
00:05And I'm just kind of wondering, is it because the guy who thought he was the smartest guy in the
00:09room has left the room?
00:10Hasn't been in the room for the last couple of drafts?
00:132-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
00:15I'm just thinking out loud.
00:17Is that Lyman's in battle mode when it comes to the Cavs right now?
00:20So, I'll just go off on a tangent. Not on a tangent myself.
00:24A tangent?
00:24Well, not a tangent.
00:25I just, I love the draft and I can't help but think, it's not the deepest draft ever.
00:33I understand that.
00:34Or it's not the strongest draft class ever.
00:36I understand that when it comes to just the general 20-26 draft.
00:41I think you've got good football players here.
00:43And I don't know, I'm just kicking it around.
00:45I go, there's someone missing and somehow all of a sudden we're liking these drafts over the last couple of
00:51years.
00:51And I'm just trying to put two and two together is all I'm doing.
00:54I can't say it for sure because they eventually, they've got to put on their helmets and they've got to
00:58go play.
00:59But they look like good football players.
01:02And it's just, it speaks more of a common sense of a draft.
01:05You need some offensive linemen.
01:06You get some offensive linemen.
01:07You need weapons.
01:08You get weapons.
01:09You're not punting to next year with this draft pick.
01:13I mean, you could have sat there and just turned in this draft and it would have been just whatever.
01:18And you could have went to 20-27.
01:20You got some 20-27 draft capital back, but you made picks that are solid all the way through.
01:25I mean, Taylor Green in the sixth round I think is fun.
01:28Like, I just think it's a solid draft.
01:30And I don't think I've really felt this way or a lot of fans have felt this way when there
01:35was a certain somebody that was still in the building.
01:37And that person is no longer in the building.
01:39All of a sudden it just seems like Andrew Barry is making common sense decisions for this football team.
01:44I can't say it for sure, but you can't tell me that a lot of Browns fans don't feel that
01:50way, Anthony.
01:50I saw a lot of that.
01:51I just don't understand how we're...
01:54We all know who the certain somebody is, right?
01:56Dee Podesta?
01:57Yes.
01:57I don't understand the...
01:58I think a lot of people are making assumptions.
02:00I saw a lot of people saying, well, this is all about...
02:02You can't help but assume when you never really knew what the guy did.
02:05Well, right.
02:05Right.
02:06But if you didn't know what he did, why were we assigning all the bad draft picks to him and
02:10the picks we liked to Andrew Barry?
02:12Like, and then I saw it with Catherine.
02:16I'll tell you why.
02:17People were mentioning that.
02:18Yeah.
02:18People were talking about Telesco helping out.
02:22I saw Chris Polian has been with them now for a couple of years.
02:26So everybody is just in their mind connecting dots.
02:29And I'm like, I don't know.
02:30They didn't have first round picks for three years.
02:32I think that probably had more to do with it than any of the other...
02:36They might have some with it.
02:37You think?
02:38That's a pretty big deal to not have three years straight of first round picks.
02:41And now when we have the first round picks, you know, it's a lot easier to embrace the drafts.
02:47But even if you're straight of three first round picks, even before that, like some of the decisions that were
02:51made, I didn't necessarily care for it.
02:53Not a lot of Browns fans cared for it.
02:55It just seems to be perfect timing.
02:57And I understand.
02:58Listen, I get it.
02:59I think that he might have been some sort of a source for you or something because you get very
03:02defensive of Paul DiBodesta anytime he gets brought up.
03:05So I knew I was going to be going in.
03:07But, yeah, you always say, every time Paul DiBodesta gets brought up, you always notice...
03:11I think I've gone after him for plenty of reasons.
03:13Nah, every time he gets brought up, you go, I think you guys make too big of a deal with
03:16the role he has.
03:17You know, he's not as involved as what you think he is.
03:21And I'm going, how do you know this?
03:22All I know him to be is a Rasputin-type figure that everybody has no idea what type of role
03:27he actually plays within the...
03:28...or played within the organization.
03:30And it just seems to be perfect timing.
03:32I know that that's an odd word to say right now.
03:35It's awfully convenient that we're looking for...
03:38We're looking for, you know, the mysterious ways of why the drafts were bad in the past.
03:44And now we've knocked them out of the park.
03:46Let's, you know, I don't know.
03:46Let's see these guys in training camp at least.
03:48Well, last year they knocked him out of the park.
03:49And I'm saying, all I can go is on what I know right now.
03:52I just said they got to put on equipment and play.
03:54But I think that these, a lot of this is just common sense.
03:57I think these are solid decisions.
04:00Did you like...
04:00I got to say, obviously, I love their first pick.
04:03I love the trade down.
04:05I loved everything about that.
04:06I gave Andrew Barry a ton of credit for that.
04:08I don't know if I'm as enthused about the wide receivers that they took.
04:12I got to be honest.
04:13I like Cooper a little more than both these guys.
04:17So I do have questions about them.
04:19I don't know that...
04:20Like, what...
04:21In a perfect world, what do you think these wide receivers are?
04:25I think they're both...
04:27They could be solid number twos for a team.
04:28Okay.
04:29So how do they get...
04:29So that's the one thing I would question.
04:32Like, where are they getting a number one wide receiver?
04:36Because we know Jerry Judy isn't one.
04:37And I don't think either of these guys fit the bill either.
04:40You could have got your number one wide receiver if Carnell Tate were still on the board.
04:43Carnell Tate wasn't on the board.
04:44So they went and they got their left tackle.
04:46And then they got KC Concepcion.
04:48Now, I'm not going to hide away with what I said.
04:51I said I would have traded up.
04:52Yeah, you were not thrilled with the KC pick.
04:54I would have traded up a little bit.
04:55No, I just...
04:56I would have got Makai Lemon.
04:57I would have traded up and got Makai Lemon.
04:59I was an advocate for that the same way with Nathan.
05:01I thought they would trade up too.
05:02I was a little surprised at that.
05:05And I just...
05:06The Denzel Boston stuff is really interesting.
05:08Because finally, they got a guy that physically has size.
05:12And, you know, the contested catch thing is something you would...
05:14You would hope that's a buzz term that we hear a lot around this time of year, obviously.
05:18At the same time, man, it's tough to see him getting separation in the NFL.
05:23I'll tell you with this.
05:24With day two, see, I thought he could get...
05:28I wrote big body.
05:29I know he can get out of the break.
05:31And also, he's fast.
05:32He has a punt return touchdown last year, if I'm not mistaken.
05:35So it's not like he's slow all of a sudden.
05:37I love their night, too.
05:38You're at 39.
05:39You stay there.
05:40Denzel Boston comes to you.
05:42I thought it was fish in a barrel.
05:44You make that decision.
05:44You make that decision.
05:45It was fine.
05:46I mean, I was sitting there.
05:46I didn't think he'd be around at 39.
05:48I couldn't believe that Emmanuel McNeil-Warren was there at 58.
05:51Yeah, that pick I loved.
05:51I absolutely loved that pick.
05:52I got no issues personally.
05:55Like, personally, I mean, off-field stuff.
05:58Like, why these guys would fall.
06:00Like, Jermon McCoy had a serious knee injury.
06:03Looks like he's going to have another surgery on it.
06:06Like, you could see, hate to say it, terrible feeling, why he would fall in a draft.
06:11But, like, Denzel Boston, I was surprised he was there for you at 39.
06:14I was really surprised Emmanuel McNeil-Warren was there for you at 58.
06:17I love what they did day two.
06:19And then day three.
06:20I agree, though.
06:21I would have rather had them trade up for wide receiver where they were with all the ammo they had.
06:26I was surprised they just kind of stood there.
06:28So that would be my potential negative.
06:31Overall, yeah, I mean, they have as much draft capital as anybody.
06:35So that's the beauty of the NFL is talking to the guys before the show.
06:38It is amazing.
06:39The NFL has something that the other leagues don't have.
06:42And it is that this draft every year, you get 10 new football players.
06:46You get anywhere from 7 to 10 to 11 football players every year.
06:49And it's why basically every team's fan base in the NFL is ecstatic with the exceptional one.
06:55And they happen to be right down the road.
06:56They happen to be where the draft was.
06:58Very upset.
06:58Gosh, they were getting killed.
06:59I mean, even guys like John Ledyard, who is a draft guy, and he grew up a Steelers fan.
07:05Like, he could not believe some of the picks that they had made.
07:08He thought that they were absolutely ridiculous over this last week, and the Pittsburgh Steelers were.
07:13But, you know, I needed guys.
07:16They wanted to go the classic route, and I could see them going the classic route because I thought Carnell
07:20Tate was going to be there at 6.
07:21Carnell Tate wasn't there at 6, so then it changes that.
07:24Do you think they would have definitely taken Carnell?
07:26Oh, I can't guarantee that.
07:27I can't guarantee that.
07:28I don't know.
07:29I just, if Carnell Tate was there at 6, I could have questioned motivations.
07:36And I could have questioned, not motivations, I could have questioned how they went through the process.
07:40But since he wasn't there, and he was the guy that I thought was like, this is to me the
07:44number one wide receiver in this draft.
07:46This is to me where you go when he wasn't there at 6.
07:48You could see all that playing out.
07:50And they took Spencer Fano, who I think is going to be a really nice player for you.
07:54He's going to raise that floor for you.
07:55How high is the ceiling?
07:56I'm not going to put him in the Munoz-Thomas category for crying out loud.
08:00We'll see how that goes.
08:01But certainly, he raises the floor for you.
08:03And with Concepcion, yeah, there was some questionable things with catching, but a lot of people are bringing up this
08:08quarterback play, which I could absolutely see.
08:11I think people could bring up a lot of the other weapons that they had or didn't have.
08:14He's a perfect fit.
08:15By the way, for Browns fans, he's a perfect fit because for the last year, all we did was blame
08:20everybody else but the quarterback.
08:21And over there, they blamed the quarterback.
08:23So now the two systems merge.
08:26Yeah, and I'll go with this.
08:28Again, Ledyard and Matt Harmon from Reception Perception, absolutely.
08:32Harmon loves him.
08:33I mean, just loves him.
08:35So I'm going to acquiesce to Matt Harmon, who I'm going to say, yeah, okay, you know more about the
08:41wide receiver position than I do.
08:42If Matt Harmon loves him, I'm not going to sit there and overthink, and I'll hold my breath and be
08:47a little bit worried because drops are drops are drops.
08:49You get worried about that.
08:50But I'm going to go by the experts.
08:51I'm going to go, okay, this guy should be a fine wide receiver for you.
08:54I'm just kind of bummed with all the ammo that the Browns have to not land one of the top
08:59three or four wide receivers on most boards.
09:02That, to me, we will be looking at to see if that is a mistake tactically or if it ends
09:07up that.
09:08Well, wasn't Casey Conception a top three wide receiver on a lot of boards?
09:11Most of them, it was Tate, Tice, and Lemon.
09:13That was most of the boards I saw going into the draft.
09:17I can't, man.
09:17Maybe you're just – what if Spencer Fano ends up becoming a pro bowler?
09:21When pro bowls matter.
09:23That's more important.
09:24Like second team, all pro consistently.
09:26These are the inflection points.
09:28You're exactly right.
09:28Okay.
09:29Because, obviously, offensive line is always going to trump wide receiver.
09:34But I don't know.
09:36The floor, what I was excited about, Fano, was the floor.
09:40But the ceiling is not something a lot of the people, a lot of the pundits had him being able
09:46to, you know, get to over time.
09:49Let me tell you why I disagree when we come back.
09:50Because I thought a lot of this was common sense.
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