00:00Alright, before we get to the easiest way to do things, which might be the hardest way to do things.
00:06Or the worst way to do things.
00:09Zagura, who was just on with us, which by the way, that was their last win in 2014, was the
00:14win over the Falcons.
00:16That Joel Batoni had to chase down Devin Hester.
00:19And if Devin Hester would have scored that touchdown, I don't know if Mike Pettin's getting off the plane.
00:24I think, he gets off the plane, I don't know if he gets to actually go with the team back
00:29to the facility.
00:31He might have gotten fired right there on the tarmac.
00:33I mean, that was just insane.
00:34Wasn't that Josh Gordon's first game back with the team?
00:38I want to say yes.
00:39After being suspended for drinking on the plane?
00:41Yeah, I want to say yes.
00:43I think you're right.
00:44I mean, there were so many times he was returning from suspension, I kind of lose count of him.
00:50That was one of the wildest.
00:51What ever happened to that coach that was with him?
00:54I was at Brindley.
00:55Oh yeah, that's right.
00:56Come on, he cleaned it up.
00:58He cleaned it up.
01:00Did we interview him?
01:02No.
01:03This year?
01:03I thought we did.
01:04Oh, maybe this year.
01:05I think we did.
01:06He had better options.
01:08Okay, come on now.
01:10Just to not be a head coach.
01:12To not be the head coach with the Browns.
01:14We still got Munkin.
01:15We do.
01:16If Munkin ends up being great, you know, what?
01:18What?
01:19And you heard Nathan.
01:20You heard Nathan like,
01:21he is running this ship very differently.
01:23I am noticing.
01:23Right, Rooka?
01:24I know you want to get something.
01:25I am noticing.
01:26We are doing the thing that we do every year with a new head coach,
01:29but I actually believe it for once.
01:31What's that?
01:31And the thing that every, and it's not unique to Cleveland,
01:34but we just had more new coaches than most.
01:36Yeah.
01:38But immediately in camp,
01:40especially a bunch of people that don't know what they're watching or like
01:43younger media members.
01:44Oh, it's just different now.
01:46It's different now with the new head coach.
01:47Like you can tell,
01:48like basically he's a better coach.
01:49You can already tell.
01:50It's like,
01:51they didn't even have the pads on yet.
01:53Like we'll,
01:53we'll actually have a record level win loss.
01:56We can evaluate.
01:57But in this case,
01:58I actually believe it.
01:58I actually believe that this is so distinctly different.
02:02And that was part of why they hired Todd.
02:03Let's be honest.
02:04You think it's different?
02:04That they're talking about not only the tempo,
02:08the stopping of,
02:10and Daryl's been all over this.
02:11I hope you're right.
02:12The stopping of a drill gone South immediately.
02:16And,
02:16and they've noted that he's come in and put an end to it.
02:20Also,
02:21when we're talking about quarterbacks are holding the ball too long and they
02:25had to say after practice,
02:26Munkin had to say,
02:27well,
02:27we're working on trying to elongate plays a little bit.
02:31There's a portion of that.
02:32And look,
02:32when Kevin came in,
02:34we were told all these things that Kevin's doing that is different.
02:37And it worked.
02:38It was during COVID and it was a different time.
02:40And they went and made the playoffs.
02:41Now it was time for something different.
02:43I actually do believe it for once.
02:44I'm not,
02:45I'm trying not to be naive that,
02:47well,
02:48every fan base and every media gets excited about the new coach.
02:50Well,
02:50I want to say something about that,
02:52that possibility coming up here in just a moment.
02:54I wanted to play this though.
02:56This is a Gura just with us moments ago about these wide receivers.
02:59Cause John asked himself,
03:00asked us a hell of a question.
03:01Go ahead.
03:02The speed,
03:03the juice,
03:04what I would call the element of danger.
03:05And even talk to some guys on our defense,
03:07they think it's like night and day in terms of what we have overall in that
03:11wide receiver room with the additions of Boston and Concepcion.
03:14And the fact that Isaiah Bond,
03:15who averaged over 18 yards to catch last year is kind of really starting to
03:18hit his stride.
03:19It feels like in his second year,
03:20I talked to him,
03:21he added 15 pounds of muscle.
03:22He is still running by everybody.
03:24He's worked on his catching in terms of,
03:26he liked to jump a lot when he caught the ball.
03:27He's worked on that.
03:28He looks really good.
03:29Judy looks good.
03:30So that's the thing that I think most people will see for sure.
03:33This is an offense that has some playmakers now who can catch the football.
03:38John wanted to know how we grade the court,
03:40how we grade the wide receivers of the quarterback struggle.
03:42If the quarterback struggle,
03:44we're not going to give them a free pass,
03:45but there's going to be,
03:46uh,
03:47the Browns have made it official that they've signed Casey Concepcion,
03:49by the way,
03:50speaking of those wide receivers,
03:51uh,
03:52they,
03:52so now the entire rookie class is signed.
03:55Uh,
03:55this is courtesy of their push button notification,
03:57push notification.
03:58They just sent to us.
03:59Casey Concepcion,
04:00uh,
04:00is signed.
04:01So now they got all their draft picks,
04:02uh,
04:03officially under contract.
04:04Um,
04:05it,
04:05they don't get up.
04:07They don't get a pass.
04:08They don't get a mulligan for the season,
04:09but you know,
04:10we'll,
04:10we'll pay attention.
04:11I think we weight that issue.
04:13We did that with all,
04:14we've done that with a bunch of wide receivers.
04:15We did that with Jerry Judy last year.
04:17We didn't,
04:17and there's not a lot of arguments to make for Jerry Judy,
04:20but that was one of the arguments that people have been
04:21didn't make at the beginning of the year or halfway through the year
04:24last year about Jerry Judy until things kind of got a little bit out
04:27there was the quarterback play and how bad the quarterbacks are
04:32throwing to you,
04:33how bad it is,
04:34how,
04:34how tough of a situation it is.
04:35We'll do the same thing with Denzel Boston.
04:37We'll do the same thing with Casey Concepcion.
04:39I know that there were some people getting in on the internet about Denzel
04:42Boston's catch yesterday.
04:43I thought it was a great catch.
04:45I thought it was a great throw.
04:45I'll take that.
04:47Uh,
04:47but I,
04:47I throw.
04:49Yeah,
04:50I thought it was,
04:50I thought it was a great throw scale of one to 10.
04:53How great of a throw?
04:54Eight and a half,
04:558.5.
04:57Why?
04:58A little underthrown.
05:02Owen?
05:04I would say a little underthrown.
05:08Hung up there quite a,
05:10quite a bit.
05:10Had to come back for it.
05:12Can you imagine it was in November?
05:14Where does that one end up with the wind swirling?
05:17Oh,
05:18come on.
05:19That was a good throw.
05:20It was a nice throw.
05:21Great throw.
05:23It,
05:238.5 out of 10 is a great throw.
05:27Good.
05:28It was like no pass rush.
05:30Good throw.
05:30It was up there forever.
05:31Good throw is like 6.5 to 8.
05:358.5 to 10 is great.
05:37Yeah.
05:37Where,
05:37where does that one go with the pads on and wind swirling?
05:40Pass rush.
05:42But the GoPro's off.
05:43Oh,
05:44no GoPros.
05:45So,
05:47that's true.
05:48So we,
05:48the wind wasn't swirling.
05:49I'm saying.
05:51He had deep balls and swirling wind.
05:53He threw the most uncatchable ball in the NFL last year.
05:56Oh God.
05:56By the numbers.
05:57By the numbers.
05:58Fine,
05:59fine,
05:59fine.
06:00He's terrible.
06:01Forget it.
06:02Why do we,
06:02we'll just play with 10.
06:04It was a fine throw.
06:06You said great.
06:06Now you've walked it back.
06:07Now it's down to five.
06:08God in heaven.
06:09In 20 minutes it'll be adequate.
06:11What numbers is fine.
06:13In 30 minutes it'll be.
06:14It was a great throw.
06:15Did just enough.
06:17And in two days it'll be miracle it got there.
06:20I love how you sit there and you say this stuff and then you wonder why people cuss you out
06:24in your DMs.
06:25It's amazing.
06:27It's amazing.
06:28All right.
06:28I got a litmus test.
06:29I mean you're picking apart a camp bro for crying out loud.
06:31Are you not doing it?
06:31That's what everybody's doing.
06:33Yeah,
06:33but you're doing that.
06:33And we make fun of those people for doing that.
06:35That's what everybody's doing.
06:35And we make fun of those people for doing that.
06:37Do we or do we not make fun of the completion?
06:39The completion chart.
06:40And call people idiots who follow that.
06:42This is different because the dimes to ducks ratio according to Zach Jackson yesterday was at an all-time high.
06:49But people looked at the charts and they said, but he only threw how many incompletions?
06:53And I think what Zach was saying was a lot of the completions were absolute ducks.
06:57And that is part of our new segment called Dimes to Ducks.
07:00Well, it's got to be Zach's segment.
07:01We got to be fair.
07:02Zach, let me ask you this.
07:03Here's a litmus test.
07:04I'll give you a litmus test.
07:05This is perfect.
07:06This is the best way to break down these camp throws going forward.
07:09I was going to do something else.
07:10What the hell?
07:10This is perfect.
07:11What?
07:11Thank you very much.
07:12I didn't think we were going to get it in.
07:15People are wondering, hey, everybody's in their camp or everybody's so, like you heard Peter Lynn yesterday leading the witness.
07:22Everybody wants what they want.
07:24So we're going to have different perspective on it.
07:27We're not necessarily going to be fair and balanced when it comes to this stuff.
07:29I think there's a very easy way, a very easy litmus test to how we grade these things.
07:38All you have to do when you see a camp throw, whether it's mini camp, training camp, preseason, and then
07:45when the real season starts, all you have to do is say, what would you say about that throw if
07:52it were the quarterback that you hated?
07:54Like Ben Roethlisberger.
07:57And then that's all you have to do.
07:58So if Ken Carman saw Big Ben make that throw, what would Ken Carman say?
08:02A real Freaky Friday situation going on now.
08:04What would he say?
08:05That's all you have to do?
08:06Shut up.
08:06And then you'll find yourself being able to be open and honest.
08:11That's all I have to do.
08:12YouTube.
08:13Everybody commenting on YouTube right now.
08:14You guys love this conversation.
08:15If you're on YouTube right now, what quarterback do they hate?
08:19Dylan Gabriel.
08:20They all hate it.
08:21Dylan Gabriel, Dylan Gabriel, Dylan Gabriel.
08:23You guys want to bully Dylan Gabriel out of football and have to have no profession and no way to
08:27earn income.
08:29So all you have to do is say, I'm going to be like an impartial juror.
08:33I'm going to pretend I don't know anything about anything before.
08:37Dylan Gabriel throws that ball.
08:38What do you say?
08:40That's what you're saying.
08:41Great throw.
08:42Oh, yeah.
08:43Okay.
08:43Oh, yeah.
08:43Oh, yeah.
08:45Why do you always just laugh at me and accuse me of being a liar when I tell you the
08:48truth?
08:49Hey, great throw.
08:50Dillon Gabriel throws that one up in the air.
08:55Why would I be?
08:56And the one to bond is a wobbler.
08:58Holy cow.
08:58How did that get there?
09:00That was from Shador?
09:01Yeah.
09:02I didn't see the one from Shador.
09:03The best throw of the day I saw was the Watson one.
09:07Was the Watson bond.
09:08I didn't see that one either.
09:08I was at a football camp of a different level.
09:10You didn't see the trains.
09:12You didn't see this.
09:13What are you doing every day, Ken?
09:15I'm at football camps.
09:16You want me to be a football guy?
09:18Whose camp is it?
09:19I'm not telling you whose camp it is.
09:21This is Vrabel's camp?
09:23No, it's not.
09:24Shut your stupid mouth.
09:25I'm serious on that one.
09:26Shut up.
09:27Okay?
09:28It's Russini's camp?
09:29Shut up.
09:30You need to be quiet.
09:32Does she have a camp?
09:33You're on the verge of getting dumped.
09:35Stop it.
09:37Okay?
09:38I know you love to put me in the corner here.
09:40Why are you so red right now?
09:42Because he's an ass.
09:43I can't even say that Shador Sanders had a great throw in mini camp.
09:48I mean, come on.
09:50Did you do the body swap?
09:52It was a great throw.
09:53Yeah, even if it was Ben Roethlisberger, it would have been a great throw.
09:56Okay, that's all I ask.
09:57As long as you're being fair, as long as you're going through the exercise
10:02that I've given the parameters for.
10:03Stop looking at me like that.
10:04As long as you did the body swap.
10:06That's all you have to do.
10:07I did the body swap.
10:08If Ben Roethlisberger threw that pass, it was a great pass.
10:10This is all part of our new segment.
10:11I wasn't planning on doing this.
10:13What the hell?
10:15I got to tell you.
10:16Shut up.
10:17They're being fair.
10:18They're being fair and honest on YouTube.
10:20I can't believe it.
10:21They've actually said if Gabriel threw it, that was a bad.
10:24No, you aren't.
10:25You're lying.
10:26None of you have done that.
10:27Stop.
10:28You can't accuse them of lying if they're trying to tell you the truth.
10:31Okay.
10:31I love how if it's not the answer he wants and you're just a liar,
10:34you're doing exactly what you accuse all the Shador fans of doing.
10:38That's not what I wanted to hear.
10:39You're a liar.
10:40You're a liar.
10:40You're a liar.
10:41It's not what I wanted to hear.
10:42You're a liar.
10:43Oh, you're a bunch of liars.
10:44And then he gets mad because he gets called a liar when he calls people liars.
10:47Can we go back to the Peter Lynn leading the witness?
10:49It's one of the best ever.
10:50It's one of the best ever.
10:51I know we're running out of time.
10:52Why do I even bother doing this?
10:54I don't know.
10:54Why do I even bother trying to come up with stuff?
10:56I'm trying to come up with a thing to do.
10:59And here we go.
11:01It feels like the Browns came in there with the idea that Deshaun was going to win this job.
11:04And now in the past week and a half or so,
11:06they're more open to the idea that Shador has progressed.
11:09And Shador looks better than maybe even they suspected.
11:12I don't know what your read on it is,
11:14but I'm curious to find out if you think that's anywhere close to right.
11:17Yeah, I mean, my read is these things go back and forth a little bit.
11:20He no-sold it completely.
11:21Anything you've heard about the last week and a half, he's like, yeah.
11:25And he was nice about it, too.
11:26That was the thing.
11:27Breer was very nice because he's on weekly with those guys.
11:30So he wanted to be very nice about it.
11:32But Breer, who clearly had all that background on the Miles Garrett trade from the Browns' perspective,
11:36like he's talking to the Browns and they're like, yeah, let's not get too excited.
11:41Are you satisfied you got out of that what you wanted?
11:44Yeah.
11:45Okay.
11:47So are you going to sit here and call me a liar the second the mics go off?
11:50I've never called you a liar.
11:51Yes, you have many times.
11:53Actually, last week.
11:53You called me a liar this morning.
11:55I won't do it again.
11:56You're about to call me a liar in five minutes.
11:58That's not what a good friend and co-host does.
12:00How many people saw the throw?
12:02Lying liars and the liars.
12:03Liars who tell them.
12:04Just the second one.
12:04I'm so sorry.
12:04I hear you.
12:05We're all angry.
12:05You're all angry.
12:05Go ahead.
12:05So, we can find fun.
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