00:00We're going to bring on the best in the biz. AshleyBastockCleveland.com. She joins us right
00:05now. Ashley, welcome to the show. Nick, I'm still laughing at your Mark Wahlberg joke.
00:10You've got to give me a second here. You can't be doing bits like that right before I come on.
00:16Come on, I'm laughing. Well, I am just like Mark Wahlberg, just morbidly obese. It's the same guy
00:23though. It's the same general premise. Yeah, it's actually, it's called Wilson Burgers. It's not
00:29Wahlbergers. It's Wilson Burgers. Oh, I'm reading that. At which you actually come to the burger
00:33joint. It's actually when you come to the burger joint and watch me eat all the burgers. That's
00:37what it is. Yeah. It's a new, new hip discount. I think Wahlbergers is just like one of those
00:42Mandela effects that we've all been saying it, but really it's been Wilson Burgers this
00:47whole time. Finally, people are coming around. Finally, people are coming around. All right,
00:52Ashley. I do want to get to Mel Kiper, Dane Brugler, Todd McShay. They all have a different
00:59mock draft trade in their final mock drafts for the Browns going from six to 12. Are the Cowboys
01:07the best trade down partner for the Cleveland Browns? Guys, you may have missed this with all
01:12the national mock drafts coming out today, but I had a mock draft as well that came out today
01:19that explored this exact possibility where I have them trading down to 12 with the Dallas as well.
01:26And so I think I can, I can kind of speak to it from my lens and this wider lens.
01:32Look,
01:32I think right now there is this idea. There's a lot of noise around the league about the possibility
01:40of the Cowboys wanting to trade up. So I think everyone kind of looks at it and says, okay,
01:4412 to six, that's pretty obviously decent size jump. You're inside the top 10, just outside of
01:49the top five. If there's somebody you really want, look, there's a chance that a handful of really
01:56good players are still going to be available at that point in the draft. For me, the biggest question
02:02is, is a Jeremiah Love going to be available at that number six overall pick? And, you know, I think
02:09for
02:09me as well, it's this idea of knowing Andrew Barry and why I wanted to explore this possibility.
02:14Andrew Barry as a GM has not been afraid historically to wheel and deal. And obviously we saw him trade
02:20down last year from two to five. So I think that idea is very fresh in everyone's mind. I will
02:28say
02:28I'm probably going to do a mock draft next week. And I don't know if I would have them trade
02:32down
02:32again, for me and my mock draft, it's more so about exploring the possibilities and like, hey,
02:39what would this look like if they were to actually make that move?
02:45All right. Who has to be on the board for it to be the most likely that the Browns trade
02:51out? So what
02:52I mean by that is like, I'm thinking Jeremiah Love, for instance, like if Jeremiah Love is there,
02:55then I feel like it's a real possibility. Dallas obviously wants edge rushers though. So who would
03:00have to be on the board in your opinion? Well, the Jeremiah Love question to me kind of remains
03:07just the most interesting one overall. And, and I mean, too, I'm really curious when we hear from
03:13Andrew Barry tomorrow in the annual pre-draft press conference, what he says about that. And,
03:21you know, I think the edge rushers, for example, you're talking about, like, I think Reuben Bain's
03:27going to probably be gone. David Bailey, I think is a big one that, okay, is he still there? What
03:33about Sonny Styles? What about Reese? Like these are very good defensive players that could still
03:39be available that I think maybe would fit what Dallas is looking for. But Jeremiah Love, like the
03:45interesting thing about him is because he's a running back, you think, okay, top 10 kind of high
03:50for a guy like that. But, you know, everyone, when they talk about Jeremiah Love, he's so much more
03:54than just a running back. So how are teams valuing him? So I think those are a handful of the
03:59edge
03:59rusher names. I think at six, the big question is going to be how far is Love going to fall
04:06and which
04:06team really maybe has their sights set on him. Ashleybass.cleveland.com coming to you from the
04:14Make It Right Call Kyle Wright fan hotline as we have her every single Wednesday here at 320,
04:21eight days away from the NFL draft. So I'm going to go the opposite of where JP was going there.
04:25If they do trade down, let's just lock it in there at 12. Obviously, we know the players may be
04:31there
04:31that they might want to get at six. Tate, Fano, Maui Nowhere, the big names there. Who do you think
04:37the
04:37names that make sense if they do slide down six spots? So here's what's interesting. I think what makes
04:43sense if they slide down six spots is if there are multiple tackles that they like, because I do
04:49really believe somebody's still going to be available at 12. And when I do mock drafts,
04:54I always use the pro football focus mock draft simulator. I let the simulator draft for the other
05:0031 teams. So when I ran this yesterday, Maui Noah from Miami, the Miami right tackle was still available.
05:09Now, the key here is at that point, Monroe Freeling, the Georgia left tackle was off the board at 10
05:15to
05:15the Bengals and Spencer Fano, the Utah right tackle was off the board at 11 to the Dolphins. So that
05:21tells me like that's a reach in my opinion for Freeling at 10. That could very well be Maui Noah
05:27gone at
05:27that point. But if you really, if you're the Browns and you're looking at this and you're thinking like,
05:32man, we really like Francis Maui Noah at Miami, we like Caden Proctor out of Alabama. We like Utah
05:39having Spencer Fano and Caleb Lomu. Like we think we can do well with any of those guys or we
05:45have
05:45them all rated fairly equally talent wise. Then I would consider that trade down. But I do think like
05:52if you're worried about the guy you really like, if you have somebody head and shoulders above everyone
05:57else, and we know Andrew Berry has talked about position wise, that becomes a tiebreaker for them
06:02in terms of best available. So again, I'm really fascinated by all this, but I think if you're
06:07the Browns and you want to take a tackle first and you have multiple guys you like, that's when it
06:12makes the most sense for me to trade down out of six and get some future assets.
06:17All right. Let's talk Turkey though, as far as compensation, because Daryl had mentioned that
06:23he had thought that if you trade out of six, you got to get the number 12 from Dallas.
06:26And then forget number 20, he wants a 27 first round pick. And I just think that's crazy.
06:31Like in no world is Dallas giving up a first round pick this year and then also first round
06:35pick next year. But like, what is, what is that rate? What do you think that the ballpark
06:39we're living in, if you move off of six and let's say you make that deal with Dallas, what
06:42kind of compensation should Browns fans be looking at? Yeah, it's an interesting question because
06:48I think they're also the chatter around the league right now is that teams are very hesitant
06:53to give up first round draft picks next year. And quite honestly, I think six is very different
07:00from two. Like it may not seem like that, but to me, that's the reality of the situation.
07:07I don't think you'd be able to get an extra first round pick next year. Now, when I ran the
07:12simulator again, you, you do the trades all through this PFF simulator and it will reject
07:18trades. If you know, an author is too lopsided it won't let that go through. So what it ended
07:24up putting through for me was the second round pick next year. And then an additional sixth
07:29rounder from the Steelers for next year on top of obviously that number 12 pick. So I don't
07:36know how crazy you, you are about that sort of compensation, but I think we're talking really
07:41about additional second round compensation, whether it be this year, whether it be for next
07:47year, if you are to trade with the Cowboys from six to 12. Ashley, this time last year,
07:55we had the number two pick. We're talking Travis Hunter. We're talking Shador. We're talking
07:58other names there. On draft day, the Browns go from two to five. They pick up a future first.
08:04It's the Travis Hunter unicorn trade. And we just got a report the other day on the Pat McAfee show
08:10that if Jacksonville hadn't made that offer, that the Browns would have taken Travis Hunter at
08:16two. So if we just go back in our DeLorean there and change it, and Travis Hunter's the
08:22pick of two last year, you don't have the extra second round pick. You don't have the second
08:26first round pick this year. What do you think the fallout would have been for the Browns? And
08:30do you think Andrew Barry would still be the Browns GM? Well, that is an interesting question
08:36because we know how much Jimmy Haslam praised Andrew Barry for that draft in 2025, right? And I
08:44think you look at that trade, you're talking about at the very least, I would say they don't get
08:49Quinn Sean Judkins. Like I think they were very dead set on Carson Swessinger at 33 at that point
08:55because there was such a big drop off in linebacker talent that year after him. So I think there are
09:04some key pieces that the Browns are really happy with last year that just don't exist
09:08if they don't make that trade. And I think what makes it worse is ultimately, you know,
09:13Travis Hunter wound up hurt and wasn't really able to do both of those things on both sides of the
09:18ball. Now it sounds like the talk is he's going to primarily be a cornerback and then obviously do
09:24some gadget receiver stuff, have that really be secondary. So I think now, like in hindsight,
09:31that's a trade Browns fans were so upset about in the moment. And I think the big reason why is
09:38Andrew Barry in the lead up to that draft did such a good job with the GM sort of subterfuge
09:44and
09:45comparing him to Shohei Otani and saying all these great things, which in reality now, in hindsight,
09:51we know that was all to reassure the Jacksonville top brass that, hey, yes, you're going to want to
09:57make this trade. This is the right decision as we've been talking about it. So make sure you
10:03remember that. So I think that was a big part of it. But I think it's fascinating. I think they'd
10:10be
10:10in a worse spot almost when you look at the pieces they were able to get and get some key
10:16defensive
10:17help with Mason Graham and Carson Schlesinger, an ad who I really do think they think is the running
10:21back of the future and Quinshawn Judkins. So a lot of moving parts there. Yeah, actually, after six
10:27years, we're supposed to know a lot about a GM and how they operate and how they think. But because
10:31he didn't have three first round picks in between the entire stretch, like I think it's almost fair
10:36if somebody listening or you or me or Nick was like, I don't really think we know that much about
10:41what Andrew Barry likes to do when it comes to drafting and when it comes to drafting certain
10:46positional types or anything in between. Yeah, I've been making that point, JP, quite honestly,
10:52like over the last week, because it is true. We've only seen him use first round picks three times.
10:59Like this is about to be what his seventh draft. That is a fairly small sample size. So, you know,
11:06I keep coming back to this idea of I think this is another way this kind of manifests and the
11:11perception of them is, oh, the last time you tried to take a tackle and move him from right to
11:16left, it didn't work. It was Jed Wilt. He didn't get to a second contract. Like for me,
11:21something like that, if we had more of a sample size there with their dealings at tackle,
11:26it would obviously be easier to guess. But I think it makes people hesitant now when we hear them
11:31talk about, oh, we think it's more interchangeable than people think because of the way the game has
11:36evolved. Like, I think that's true. But the problem is you're not getting the benefit of the doubt
11:40because the one time you did it, it didn't work. And I mean, I think quite honestly,
11:45that was less of a right to left thing and why it didn't work and more of a Jed Wills,
11:50the player and injuries Jed Wills had in terms of why it didn't ultimately work.
11:55So that does, I think, make it harder to predict. And quite honestly, if you're the Browns,
12:01if you're Andrew Barry, that's a great spot to be in. You don't want everyone to know what
12:05you're thinking or what you're going to do. This is the time of year for smoke signals. And I think
12:11it really helps them. And you have to look no further than last year with the way they operated,
12:16talking about Travis Hunter and that number two pick to see that.
12:21Ashley, we all have favorites in the draft. I love Jordan Tyson. I think he's a true number
12:26one wide receiver, even with the risk. I love he on shore, he on shore, the tackle also out of
12:32Arizona
12:33State. Do you have across your time covering this year's draft, you have a couple of players that you
12:39wouldn't mind seeing coming their way to Cleveland? Well, I'll tell you what, Jordan Tyson is another
12:45one for me. I typically end up going to the combine and writing a story about one or two guys.
12:52And I
12:52come away from that thinking, man, I could see this guy in a Browns uniform, or I think he'd be
12:57really
12:58good here. Tyson, for me, outside of, I think he does so much well. The injuries, the recent injuries
13:04for him, the soft tissue stuff, doesn't really bother me after hearing him talk about it, because
13:10he explained with those hamstrings this past year that I'd never really dealt with soft tissue stuff
13:15before. This was kind of a sort of outlier year for him in terms of dealing with that. I think
13:22he
13:22has those number one traits like you do. And I love the fact that he'd be in Cleveland with his
13:28brother,
13:28Jalen. And I got a chance to ask him about that at the combine and wrote a story about it.
13:33He gave me
13:34this great detailed answer about how he thinks being in the same city as Jalen would really help
13:39him bring out the best in himself and just see how his brother gets to operate as a pro athlete
13:45day
13:46in, day out, up close and personal and spending that time together. So I really think he, to me,
13:53is the guy. And I don't know if the injuries would have the potential to scare the Browns out of
14:00taking
14:00him. But I'm curious now if his stock has risen too high that, hey, if you don't take him at
14:05six,
14:06you're not going to be able to get him because there was a lot of chatter about, are the injuries
14:09going to drop him into the twenties? But I don't know. I'm not, I'm not necessarily feeling that
14:15right now. So I think he would be a great pickup if the Browns are willing to look past that.
14:21Ashley, great stuff as always. We started off the rails. We landed the plane here.
14:25I think we're going to take, I'm going to take a victory lap on top of getting this show back
14:30on
14:30the rails. So congrats to everybody. JP, Ashley, we did a great job. We did. And you know what,
14:35I'm going to go have a Wilson burger right now.
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