00:00The most unknowable parts of this is just really what does Todd Munkin not see in his wide receiver room
00:06now
00:07and that he needs to see?
00:09Because as much as a year from now Jerry Judy could not be here,
00:12the best case scenario is you hit on whatever your wide receiver one is.
00:17That allows Jerry Judy to be better.
00:18So now you have two wide receivers going to next year,
00:21and maybe even a guy like Isaiah Bond develops or one of your other young guys develops,
00:25and then all of a sudden you've got a robust room for whatever quarterback starts in 2027.
00:30Yeah, I pulled up the Ravens draft under the time that Munkin was there,
00:33and obviously they took Zay Flowers at pick number 22 overall.
00:36But outside of that, I mean, they took two other wide receivers.
00:38They took Devontae Walker in round four, and then in 2025 last year they took Lajonte Wester in round six.
00:45And so it's not like they spent some sort of crazy capital on that.
00:48And maybe that's why so many of those conversations and all the Ravens convos just goes back to Zay Flowers.
00:53Like that really felt like Munkin's pet project for not only developing a wide receiver,
00:57but being able to do exactly kind of what we're discussing right now with,
01:01if you bring up Casey Concepcion, you can see how Munkin would be like,
01:06been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
01:07I've already, we've taken somebody that had the same projections, similar style, similar everything,
01:12and I made him, I made him really shine.
01:14All right.
01:15Now I was thinking about this weekend when thinking about what receiver you're going to draft,
01:19what offensive line you're going to draft.
01:21And again, credit to Andrew Barry and the Browns front office.
01:24They've done a great job of keeping everyone guessing.
01:27Now, later in the show, we're going to talk about, are the Browns actually going to trade up?
01:30Because that's a whole new thing that came out this weekend.
01:32Yeah.
01:33But then I started thinking like, all right, specific to the six pick, when you're sitting there,
01:38are you going to feel more confident when Andrew Barry is drafting a wide receiver
01:42or when Andrew Barry is drafting an offensive tackle?
01:45Both of which, by the way, seem like there's a lot of boom or bust in depending on who you
01:50pick.
01:51And I think I did come up with an answer, but it was...
01:54I don't know how you did.
01:55Okay.
01:55So it's going to feel thin.
01:57For me, it's impossible.
01:58Okay.
01:58This is an impossible question to answer.
02:00All right.
02:00Go on that before I answer why.
02:02I just don't have any experience of him drafting anybody of substance in either position and
02:06making it work.
02:07You know what I mean?
02:07Like, I mean, he drafted positions of substance.
02:09I'm not saying that.
02:10Like, there's quality guys.
02:12Bountiful wide receivers.
02:13Jet Wills also...
02:13Well, that's the thing.
02:14It's like, past couple years, what is it?
02:16Jamari Thrash?
02:17And then it's a bunch of third-round wide receivers, three straight and three consecutive
02:20seasons that he just kept taking swings on and it not working out.
02:23And I have no evidence of him being able to pick out any of them that have worked successfully.
02:28So here's where I...
02:30And again, I'm going into this saying, I know that this is a little thin.
02:34All right?
02:35But I'm going up against Andrew Barry's draft classes for wide receivers and offensive tackles.
02:42There's only so much you can glean from this.
02:44Yeah.
02:44Is DeJuan Jones the biggest hit out of any of it?
02:46Actually, Jed Wills is.
02:47As much of a disappointment as Jed Wills was, he did start for four years and was at least
02:52a starting caliber left tackle in the NFL.
02:56So I want more from the 10th pick in the draft.
02:59I mean, pick number 10 relative to where he picked.
03:00And also, we obviously then have the understanding of Tristan Wirth right there.
03:04Like, that's not...
03:05But him and DeJuan Jones, in limited opportunities, they've drafted more wide receivers.
03:10They've taken more stabs at wide receivers than they have offensive linemen.
03:13When he compared two starting wide outs versus five starting offensive linemen.
03:17Because then we'd also then have to give him credit for...
03:19Donovan Peoples-Jones in the sixth round was something.
03:23That was that same draft.
03:24I'm not saying it's the greatest thing in the world.
03:26Does that cancel out DeJuan?
03:27I'm not.
03:27Probably for being truthful about it.
03:29Is that a play where DeJuan just bear-hugged Nick Bosen, made him look like a bee?
03:33I mean, honestly, this is what we're talking about, right?
03:37DPJ...
03:38DPJ legitimately...
03:39I'm not going to say it was good.
03:41But, like, that was...
03:42But he had those seven games.
03:44For like a season and a half, that ended up being...
03:46Eight career touchdowns, I think, if memory serves me right.
03:49And then we turned him into a six-rounder as well later, I think.
03:52Or seventh-rounder.
03:53One of those two.
03:54It's definitely a rounder.
03:55It was a rounder.
03:55Yeah.
03:56When we shipped him off to Detroit.
03:57Yeah.
03:59Like, the catch-22 of this is also...
04:02Almost had a thousand-yard season in 2022.
04:03That's kind of impressive.
04:04It's very impressive for a six-round pick.
04:06Was it 800 yards?
04:08839.
04:08Look at that.
04:09I was going to go 867.
04:11But then I was going to make it a 6-7.
04:12I said almost had a thousand yards.
04:14It was like a...
04:15Is 839 a thousand?
04:16Almost a thousand?
04:17I mean, it said almost had a thousand.
04:18It's like somewhere in a range.
04:21That feels like you want to give him more.
04:24Off of me saying that.
04:25Off of me saying that.
04:26You guessed 800, though.
04:27So it's got to...
04:28I knew it was 800.
04:29That's in the territory.
04:30I just didn't know where in the 800s it was.
04:32We're obviously stretching it.
04:33There's no denying that.
04:34I think you're stretching it more than me saying I'm more comfortable.
04:36We're in the ballpark.
04:38With Andrew Barry taking offensive linemen in the name of wide receivers.
04:41Is DPJ his biggest hit between offensive tackles and wide receivers?
04:45No.
04:46It's Jed Wills.
04:47I know.
04:47You like Jed Wills.
04:48I mean, I liked him in the fact that he was a starting offensive lineman.
04:52That's kind of the goal there.
04:54Who, like...
04:55I don't know.
04:56Because I am still pissed about the Tristan Wirth things as well.
04:59If Tristan had only remained a right tackle, maybe I wouldn't have cared as much.
05:03But then Tristan, halfway through his career, switching over to the left side pretty flawlessly
05:07and being just as good, really makes that one stay.
05:10I think it's basically an unanswerable question based off of what we have in the info.
05:14But it seems like you're leaning towards Jed Wills tipping the scales.
05:16Literally.
05:17Yeah.
05:17And DeJuan Jones, definitely tipping the scales.
05:20But the problem is, now here's...
05:22I think the wide receiver class in this is much more foolproof.
05:27I know that's dangerous to say with the Browns than the offensive line is.
05:30Because, like, I think if you took Tate or Tyson at six, you're going to be happy.
05:33And I think if you found a guy like a Chris Bell, a Ted Hurst, there are other guys kind
05:39of like middle of the second, third, fourth round, I think you're also developing someone
05:44in the future that you could look up and all of a sudden you've got two really nice starting
05:48wide receivers.
05:48I mean, I like Tyson.
05:49There's no guarantee that Tyson works.
05:51With his injury history and everything attached to him, like, it's not the layup.
05:55I think Carnell Tate's a layup.
05:56I think we both agree on that.
05:58Yeah, I mean, I think he's Tee Higgins.
05:59I think that's totally fair.
06:00And I just don't see much downside in...
06:03The absolute floor for him is just...
06:06It's still incredibly high, all things considered.
06:08I also think...
06:09I don't think the ceiling's as high as people want it to be.
06:10When we first started having the Tee Higgins conversation...
06:13Yeah.
06:14It was like, well, Tee Higgins was the 34th pick or 33rd pick in the NFL draft.
06:20You'd want more value at six.
06:22And the more I've thought about it, it's like, no, in this class, with a lack of a,
06:27you know, Jamar Chase, a lack of a Malik Neighbors, Tee Higgins, if not for Jamar Chase, I think
06:34would be seen as at least fringe wide receiver one.
06:37Well, and so this is where the Tristan-Whorfs convo comes into play again, because there's going
06:41to be somebody in this class, Carnell Tate's not going to be the best wide receiver in
06:44this class, more likely than not.
06:46There's going to be somebody, because there's so many, there's just too many of them.
06:50And Carnell Tate's got a ceiling, but it's not nearly as high.
06:52There's going to be somebody, whether it's Omar Cooper Jr., whether it's Denzel Boston,
06:56Concepcion, somebody is going to end up being Justin Jefferson, where you're like, jeez,
07:01we had him in the 20s.
07:02It seems like it happens at least once every couple of years.
07:04You have some wide receiver in the 20s that just goes off, and then it's just like, oh
07:09my God, how did we miss that guy?
07:10And I don't know if I should fault Andrew Barry for that ahead of time or not, because dealing
07:14with the info we have and what we have right now, Carnell Tate just makes a lot of simple
07:19sense.
07:19So it's funny you say this, because I think you're right about the wide receiver spot.
07:23The NFL, especially in weird years like this, where I think fit matters, where health is
07:29going to matter, where just there might not be a huge difference from one to three, and then
07:33from four to seven or eight, it might not be a huge difference.
07:37The NFL, when there's clear-cut best wide receivers in the draft, don't get it right
07:41more often than not.
07:43It's as finicky as picking when you have three top quarterbacks right now.
07:49If you told me you had, at the time it was controversial to say you had a better grade
07:53on Drake May than Caleb Williams, three years later, Drake May might end up being the better
07:58NFL quarterback than Caleb Williams.
08:00And certainly, Jaden Daniels ever this last year with the health stuff.
08:03But I also feel like we're saying that about the offensive line spot, this year specifically.
08:09Sure, it might happen.
08:10Most years, I tend to think offensive line, especially tackle, is like the easier thing,
08:16because there's just a certain profile, at least at a left tackle, that you just have
08:21to have.
08:22And it's about arm length.
08:23It's about a couple other numbers.
08:25But it is about your general size, where you're 6'5", 6'6", 6'7", 6'7".
08:30This year, it's like, I mean, all right, you might get the best offensive lineman, but
08:35he's going to end up being a guard.
08:37Oh, well, you took the best left tackle, but he's like the 15th best tackle in the NFL,
08:41and you took him sixth.
08:42Like, it just, it feels like, I don't think the wide receiver thing is landmines, because
08:47I do think there's just a lot of good football players there.
08:49But the offense, you're, what I'm trying to say is, now that I've stammered for long
08:54enough, is I think you could look up in three years and be like, somehow you got the best
08:58offensive lineman and the best wide receiver in the first round, and you could also look
09:03up, and I'm not just saying the Browns, I'm saying anybody with multiple needs in the
09:07top 50, with, you know, picks and need of a wide receiver and offensive lineman, you
09:11could also look at and go, how in that draft did we get the one offensive lineman that wasn't
09:16worth it, and the one wide receiver that just didn't quite fit?
09:18Meanwhile, you look all the way around, and it's like, oh, and this guy is now a pro
09:21bowler, and this guy is starting for X amount of years, and this guy, and so again, this
09:25is part of the equation, and this is part of when we take into the evaluation of Andrew
09:29Berry, you got to look at the guys around, did they hit, did they not hit?
09:32That's why, like, Jedrick Wills is, you know, it's nice, but if that's your calling card between
09:37the two positions, we're going to look at the wharf side of things.
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