00:00We do have to get to the options on the table for the Browns,
00:04which are seemingly endless, as evident by this clip from Mary Kay Cabot today.
00:08I could see them going edge rusher there,
00:10and then maybe coming back and going receiver, tackle, whatnot.
00:15I could also see them making a trade for a veteran player
00:19with one of their first-round picks.
00:21So I think at this point, pretty much anything can happen.
00:24Now, last year he was willing to pretty much rule out a trade up to number one.
00:30So I wonder this year, would they be willing to trade up for someone?
00:34I don't know.
00:35I don't think that there's a player that they would be willing to trade up for two through five,
00:39and they need too many things to want to sacrifice assets.
00:43But they are open for business, and anything can still happen at this point.
00:47I don't even know how they necessarily feel about Jeremiah Love.
00:52And at this time of year, if somebody tells you that they know exactly what the Browns are thinking,
00:57well, you can definitely take that with a grain of salt.
01:00All right.
01:00So the idea that anything could happen from this point,
01:03we are nine days away from the NFL draft,
01:06that is, I think, what the Browns want everyone to believe.
01:09Do you believe it?
01:10I do believe it, because I've called Andrew Barry a wild card like 700 times
01:14in the previous month and a half, and I think that exists.
01:17I think he likes to surprise people in many ways,
01:20but if you look at this board and you look at it honestly,
01:23at six overall, I don't think he's beholden to anything.
01:25We don't know what he likes.
01:27We don't know who he likes.
01:29We're just guessing at the idea that he'd take offensive linemen or wide receiver.
01:33We're also guessing at the idea that he'd want to trade down,
01:35and then other people are now guessing about the idea that he'd trade up.
01:38Like, you can make a legitimate case for every single discussion you could have
01:42with what the Browns could do at six.
01:43All right.
01:44So I agree with some of what you're saying.
01:46I will take two things right off the rip that I do not believe are on the table.
01:49I don't think they're in the room.
01:52I don't even think they're in, like, the general area code of the conversations we're having.
01:57One, I don't think they're trading up.
01:59It would be – this would be the weirdest year to trade up when you have as many needs
02:04as the Browns have.
02:07Even for a blue chipper, outside of the quarterback, there's just – this is –
02:13from where you are, you can get almost anything that you want in the top six picks.
02:16I mean, I agree that it's the most shocking, but if all of a sudden you get some sort of
02:21whiff
02:21that the Giants love Carnell Tate and he's your number one wide receiver,
02:24are you going to jump to go to get number four with the Titans, and what does that cost you?
02:28I don't think they will.
02:30I don't think they will either.
02:31I think Andrew Barry's traded up one time, and it was in the second round?
02:35It's not likely.
02:36It's not something I would bet on happening.
02:38I think it's off the table.
02:39I've taken it off the table.
02:40No, that's right.
02:40I'm not closing the door on any of it.
02:41You must have a bigger table than my table.
02:43I've moved to a door.
02:44My door is wide open.
02:46It's wide open.
02:47We're not shutting –
02:48I'm shutting that door.
02:48I'm not shutting the door.
02:50Like, my toddler leaving her room because we're in a sleep regression phase,
02:53I'm just going to open that door right back up.
02:55They get really good at that, too.
02:57Every time, man.
02:57I close it right in her face, and I'm like, you're done here now.
02:59And she's like, nope.
03:00And she's like, I disagree.
03:03I'm hoping to run a while.
03:04So that's off my table.
03:05Here's one more.
03:06I don't think they're trading –
03:07I don't think they're trading either first-round pick for a veteran.
03:11One, I can't think of a veteran that makes sense.
03:14Two, it doesn't really seem like there's a bountiful amount of good players
03:19who would be worth the sixth or 24th pick available right now
03:23as it's been a pretty limited player movement offseason
03:28when it comes to big trades.
03:30So, Owen, the big trades that I think might happen aren't going to happen
03:34until June 2nd like an A.J. Brown or even hypothetically a Miles Garrett.
03:38So I'm also taking trading your first-round picks for veterans.
03:42That is now also off the table.
03:45Yeah.
03:45Like, Baskin and Phelps are talking about the A.J. Brown side of things.
03:49That one doesn't seem very realistic at all.
03:51The timelines don't add up.
03:54Like, every part of this conversation makes no sense to me.
03:56And on top of it, they're playing with, like, this finagled idea
04:00that all it's going to cost you is, like, pick number 24
04:02and then some future picks that you couldn't even name.
04:05Like, I – that was the biggest dream I think you could ever envision up.
04:09And so, like, no, I – although I said I think everything is on the table,
04:14that one I would put with the least, least amount of odds
04:17because I don't even consider trading number six overall for a veteran
04:20as something we ever really discuss anyway.
04:22Yeah, I mean, listen, I think the everything's on the table
04:25is the way you should play it if you're with Browns
04:27because you're trying to do anything to scrounge up interest
04:31to likely move down in this draft.
04:34Albert, who reported yesterday the Browns are one of kind of three teams,
04:37four teams in that mix that would like to move down.
04:40I'm very curious to see whether they can push somebody
04:44to give a 20-27 pick of any variety up
04:46or whether they just want more draft capital here.
04:49I think trade down is very much on the table.
04:51Now, if it comes to realistic picks at six, I –
04:55oh, say Cardinal Tate.
04:57Yeah, sounds realistic.
04:58Okay, Maui Noah.
04:59Sounds realistic.
05:00Like, that – the one thing I will give them is if it comes to just sitting at six
05:04and taking a player, there aren't a lot of guys that I think are unrealistic at six,
05:09and I do think that's some good gamesmanship by Andrew Barrett.
05:11I'm just trying to figure out what would shock me the most.
05:13What would be that alert that I could get to my phone,
05:15and it's like big trade.
05:17Browns have done this at number six,
05:19and I just don't know that anything realistically exists.
05:22And that's where I'm saying, like, wide open or anything is on the table.
05:26As Mary Kay described it, it's like,
05:27what could get me to legitimately stop in my tracks and be like,
05:31oh, my gosh, the Browns just did that.
05:33I don't know that that exists in this draft.
05:35Outside of a Miles Garrett draft night trade.
05:38I mean, is it Ty Simpson at six?
05:40Would that stop me maybe?
05:42Yeah, Ty Simpson would probably go in, oh, my gosh, moment.
05:44Kind of like, because then I would wonder, I'd be like, wait, is he starting right away?
05:47Is he, what does this mean for Shador versus Deshaun?
05:50How does that all now equate?
05:51What does it mean for 2027?
05:53Yeah, and so, like, maybe that would be the one,
05:56but I, and although people have put that one on the table,
05:58I just don't see that as being realistic.
06:00But even that, it's like, well, you need a quarterback.
06:03You don't have an incumbent starting quarterback that people feel incredibly.
06:07And all of a sudden, the Ty Simpson thing would at least make the,
06:10the, hey, we're totally serious about Deshaun thing that has made me nauseous.
06:15It would make sense because, well, you're just waiting to the draft
06:18where you get to Ty Simpson and then get everybody excited about the season with Ty Simpson.
06:21Well, no, but even within that, like, the conversation would be,
06:23you take him at six, you'd think he'd start week one,
06:26but I don't know that he would.
06:27Like, the whole, the whole journey of Ty Simpson is supposed to be
06:30that he's not ready to start right away.
06:32He's going to have to take a little bit of time.
06:34Are the Browns the team to throw him in the deep end right away?
06:36Or do you do this kind of, like, handoff situation like the Patriots did
06:41with Jacoby Brissett and Drake May?
06:422-1-6, 4-7-4, double-0-9-2.
06:45What does everything is on the table mean for the Browns?
06:48For one, I don't believe everything is on the table.
06:50I think a lot of things are on the table,
06:52and I think the Browns are somewhat in power,
06:56which is cool to be at with a sixth pick.
06:59The problem is there's a lot of,
07:01I don't disagree that the Browns could be a wild card.
07:05The problem is, once you get past, like, pick three,
07:08I think everybody else in the top ten,
07:11well, not everybody, but almost everybody in the top ten or top twelve
07:14could be a wild card.
07:15Well, so the idea that nobody knows what's starting,
07:17starting at pick number two, nobody knows what's going to happen
07:19is the thing that I find the most interesting out of this.
07:22Is it Bayley? Is it not Bayley? I don't know.
07:24But in most years, we've got some semblance.
07:27Like, we know, all right, Abdul Carter's going to go,
07:28and then we'll kind of go from there, or Travis Hunter's going to go,
07:32and we'll go from there.
07:33And, like, you just kind of, you're able to map it out better.
07:35I feel like there's, like, four different names we could talk about
07:39for being pick number two and number three overall,
07:41and that's kind of muddying this whole thing up.
07:42So it's not just that the Browns are wild cards.
07:44It feels like a lot of teams in the top six are wild cards.
07:47I feel like two days from now, I think we're going to be feeling different
07:51about picks five through seven, as maybe pick five is where the draft is starting.
07:58I think it – I wouldn't be surprised if it actually is officially down
08:03to David Bayley for the Jets, which I think process of elimination
08:07takes Reese at three with Arizona.
08:10I think Love is going number four to Tennessee.
08:14So it's going to be really interesting, like, in a draft where I think
08:17everybody's like, well, it's kind of a weird first year to have a top ten pick.
08:21I actually think once we get to next week, I think we're going to be able
08:25to firm up a little bit more and say, are they real wild cards
08:28or, again, they're still trying to angle for a trade down.
08:32Even, like, the Titans, though.
08:33Like, you just said it, like, oh, Jeremiah Love at four,
08:36but, like, there's been debates for three weeks about whether or not
08:38you could do to Jeremiah Love what the Raiders just did last year
08:41to Ashton Gentry.
08:42Ruin him?
08:43Basically, we'll throw him into a situation where he's got no offensive line
08:46and he's got no chance to really have success year one.
08:48And, like, there's, like, real debates that are existing over that.
08:51And so I don't know.
08:52I just think there's a lot at play here and there's a lot of moving parts
08:55that we're just yet to finalize.
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