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00:00Everyone's out there saying, how are you going to trade?
00:01Nobody wants to trade up.
00:03Nobody wants to make any moves.
00:04The Cowboys keep getting brought up with the Browns, which I think is interesting.
00:08And Schultz was making the suggestion that what he's hearing is the exact opposite.
00:12He's hearing that there's going to be a lot of different movement as far as the first round is concerned.
00:16And there's going to be a lot of trades that happen in the first round.
00:18I just thought it was interesting because we have not seen many people say such a thing.
00:23Specifically on the defensive side of the ball is where he says everyone is strong and deep.
00:28And several executives he's spoken to believe we're going to see a flurry of activity in the first half of
00:32round one.
00:33I think what's funny about all of this is I think it feels like not only has trade down become
00:40the hope or the expectation,
00:43but almost like trade down is the safe play in this draft, which a year ago when we talked about
00:49trading out of two,
00:50one of the big knocks was, well, we can't do what the Browns did with like turning Julio Jones into
00:56Phil Taylor
00:57and a couple of guys who never really did anything here, which I think is usually the right,
01:01like I'm not all the time trade down guy.
01:04It has to make sense.
01:05Last year made sense for where you were.
01:07I do think this year makes sense depending on how far you go.
01:11I think it's interesting that safe has been applied to trade down and that's not historically what we've agreed with
01:17in Cleveland.
01:18Well, but I do think it's funny because the trade down camp is seeing a world that exists where they
01:24get the guy that you wanted at six the whole time.
01:26You just trade down and get them at 12 or 11 or 10 and then you have more assets to
01:31go after as well.
01:32And so I think that's the needle that people are trying to thread right now.
01:36And does it seem like they're getting greedy about it?
01:38Yeah, they're getting greedy about it.
01:39Yeah, it's going to be – so I just think what's interesting is I don't think this is a safe
01:46draft, not just for the Browns, but for anybody.
01:49I think if you get too cute with it, if you overthink it, no matter whether you're picking one or
01:5432, you are going to get hosed in this draft.
01:56This feels very – like I think there's more talent in it than this year.
02:00This feels like the 2013 draft.
02:02Okay.
02:02Where like you did end up with a Travis Kelsey.
02:04Sheldon Richardson was part of that group.
02:06I think DeAndre Hopkins was part of that group.
02:08You end up having a lot of good – Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde.
02:11You had tons of good players, but like if you got to – like the Browns got really, really cute
02:17after Ziggy Ansah went off the board at five and they took Arkevious Mingo, who was a workout wonder.
02:25Like that's the kind of thing that I think if you just – if you get too cute here, whether
02:29you're the Browns or anyone, you're going to screw themselves.
02:30Well, so I'm trying to find what is the – what are the doubles of the draft?
02:33That's kind of like a mission I've been on.
02:34What's the – I'm not necessarily saying everything has to be a swing for the fences, Bick.
02:38What are the doubles?
02:39What are the ones that we know unequivocally right now have a very, very tiny chance of just busting out
02:46and not working?
02:46I mean, I think one of the edge rushers, I think Caleb Downs is a solid – when I say
02:50double, what I mean is – those guys are home runs.
02:53They have a chance to be a home run, but what I'm talking about when I say doubles, I mean
02:57like you're going to leave knowing that you have a legitimate NFL starter and somebody that can be an impact
03:03player.
03:04But maybe we don't know if it's going to be an all-pro every year, but like the floor is
03:08very, very high.
03:09Then I would say Maui Noah and Fano for the offensive line.
03:13Is that fair?
03:14I would think so.
03:15I put him in that category, yeah.
03:16By the way, even though I don't think he's going six, Iowani too.
03:19I mean, in a weird way, I put Carnell Tate in that list as well.
03:22Oh, I think that's totally fair.
03:23Carnell Tate is – again, I don't think – I don't know that he'll ever be top five wide receiver
03:27in the league.
03:28I'd have a hard time thinking he's ever just going to be bad in the NFL.
03:31Yeah.
03:32Well, and like, by the way, Omar Cooper Jr., one of the comps that I've heard most with him is
03:37like Robert Woods.
03:38And I've seen people look down on Robert Woods.
03:41It's like, guys, I think he had like 8,000 yards in his career.
03:44He was a consistently great number two receiver.
03:47Yeah, would I love a number one wide receiver with a 24th pick?
03:50I think that very rarely happens.
03:52Justin Jefferson tends to be the anomaly there.
03:55The funny – that's actually, to me, the point about this draft that I think is there are so many
04:03good players.
04:04There might not be blue chips.
04:06There might not be truly great players.
04:09But one of the things – and I do think, by the way, there are good players where you need
04:13them.
04:13It just depends on if you're going to be patient with them, where you see them playing, and how the
04:21board falls.
04:22So there is a part of this that you can't control.
04:24But like, listen, I can tell you what an unsafe draft looks like.
04:30And it's in this draft deciding need is going to overtake – and not even BPA, but BPA within reason.
04:39Like, Sonny Stiles, to me, might end up being a really nice player.
04:43But I don't know that he's really an edge rusher like people want to say he is.
04:47And I don't think you need another elite off-ball linebacker.
04:51You do need a safety.
04:53You can always use another edge rusher, especially considering Miles is 30 and might be traded in the next year
04:58anyways.
04:59So like, those things are – well, they're maybe not today needs, but there you can always use more of
05:04them kind of needs.
05:05No, definitely.
05:05I guess I'm thinking more – I think last year's class had a lot of – where the Browns did
05:09well is you left thinking that's a lot of doubles off the wall.
05:12That's a lot of really good – like, Harold Fenn and nobody – the moment the Browns made that pick,
05:17everyone's like, all right, that's going to be a good NFL player.
05:19Even guys like Schwestinger.
05:20Schwestinger is obviously overachieved in a great way.
05:24But between Schwestinger, between Judkins, even Mason Graham thrown in there, that's a lot of doubles.
05:28And you build rosters with just getting just nice at-bats out there essentially to continue with the baseball terms.
05:35And so, like, I – there's some real swing-and-miss guys in this to me.
05:39Like, I think Tyson's got an ability to be boom or bust in many ways.
05:43We've talked about that.
05:43And so, like, will the Browns go towards one of those type of guys that we've discussed where it seems
05:48like it's safer?
05:49Or will they roll the dice on a Sadiq, for instance, that they brought in for a top-30 visit,
05:53but drops the ball a lot?
05:54Had a ton of production last year, but has the case of the dropsies.
05:58Yeah, like, my ultimate unsafe draft is Monroe Freeling at 6 and Casey Concepcion at 24.
06:07Like, a guy who I think in Monroe Freeling, there's a lot of projection there, which is fine.
06:12That's part of the draft.
06:13But George Warhop better be ready to coach this guy's ass off.
06:16And this guy better have a dog in him that we just didn't get really a chance to see.
06:20Which scares me, by the way, and this isn't anything towards Warhop.
06:23People respect him.
06:24They like him a lot.
06:24But in recent years, we haven't seen the Browns really be able to coach up a lot of guys.
06:29It seems like the guys you get, they're great because they're great.
06:32It's not because the Browns did a lot of coaching.
06:33And then Concepcion.
06:34Again, and I've heard people say you can coach it out of him.
06:38Find me, point to me the receiver that has gone from Drop City to the Hall of Fame.
06:44Or just a Robert Woods-esque career.
06:47Because I really, like, the guys, they might have gotten slight.
06:50It was like Tiki Barber with fumbling.
06:52Just because he didn't fumble every other play, people were like, oh, he doesn't fumble anymore.
06:56No, he still was a fumble problem late in his career.
06:58He just didn't fumble as much.
07:01Like, no.
07:02If you're a receiver, if the word receiver is in your name, I need you to be able to receive.
07:09That's my unsafe draft.
07:11Freeling at six.
07:12And then Concepcion at 20.
07:13Or Sadiq at 24, too.
07:15Yeah, I mean, it's a good one.
07:17Because there's so many different ways you can look at this and say, what are the Browns thinking?
07:22How big of a shot are they going to take?
07:23Or are they just going to take what we know is a good football player?
07:25Because I would argue right now they're in the spot where they just need a lot of really good football
07:28players.
07:29I would agree.
07:30The only thing, and not to push back, maybe a little bit to push back on the Tyson thing.
07:35The risk part of this.
07:36I'm not averse to risk in this.
07:38But it's got, like, Freeling, it's like, well, if he hits and he's Colton Miller.
07:43Maybe the 10th best left tackle.
07:45Okay, that's not bad.
07:47But okay.
07:49Whereas Jordan Tyson, I think, can be a legitimate number one receiver.
07:52And I think that's where the risk is worth it to me.
07:54So I agree with you that he's got a chance to be a legitimate number one wide receiver.
07:57I just don't know that the Browns are in the spot to be able to take in those risks.
08:00Oh, I think they are.
08:01I just don't.
08:01I feel like last year what worked so well with them was taking the obvious doubles.
08:05Taking the obvious and just watching that compound.
08:08And I feel like in years past, they did take more swings.
08:11And they did go for the fences.
08:12And I just don't know that they're in the spot right now to be able to do that.
08:16Then if you don't do Tyson at six, I will need, like, a Chris Bell.
08:20Like, that's another great spot for risk, by the way, 39.
08:22And I don't even know he'll be there now.
08:24Because I think there's a lot of Chris Bell truthers out there.
08:27But that's, at some point, like, Chris Bell's the kind of guy who, even if he's not a true number
08:33one,
08:33maybe he's just an elite level number two.
08:36If you're going to go safer elsewhere, you are going to have to find a risk or two in this
08:40draft.
08:40Well, I mean, once you get to the later rounds, that's kind of what they're littered with, right?
08:43Like, there is a lot of Chris Bell-type players where you think to yourself,
08:47all right, that's first-round talent.
08:48Why are they existing in the second round?
08:50Why are they existing in the third round?
08:51It's because of this injury.
08:52Or it's because, in the case of Chris Bell, people just think Louisville's route tree is very limited
08:57and not nearly as good.
08:58And so it's like, hey, is he going to have separation at the next level?
09:00Because he didn't really have it much in the college game.
09:03But that's more Louisville's fault than it's Chris Bell's fault.
09:05And you see how we just kind of go down this path.
09:072-1-6, 4-7-4, double-0-9-2.
09:09How safe will the Browns play the draft?
09:12How safe would you want them to play this draft?
09:17I just, it's almost, I don't want to call it an IQ test.
09:20But it does feel like a big IQ test for the Browns.
09:23Of just, which lane are you going to try and go down?
09:26Because what you and I will absolutely agree on is, with a solid draft, even if you end up with
09:33a top three pick next year,
09:34I think you're going to be in a really good spot to take that quarterback
09:38and be able to have one or two other maybe immediate needs
09:42and then kind of just give that guy a chance to win while being a rookie, which is really hard.
09:48I mean, isn't the whole goal in this and what we're trying to do here,
09:51and it stinks that we're spending an offseason and then into the regular season in 2026
09:55to try to figure it out, but the whole goal is basically get us as complete as we possibly can
09:59to then have a spot where you can just plug in the quarterback.
10:02At least that's my read on it right now, and so this is part of that.
10:06Not really taking the sexier, riskier moves that come in the draft sometimes
10:11and just taking things that you know are going to be good and you know are going to work
10:15and have a very, very tiny chance of busting out.
10:17So I know you said Tyson.
10:19What are the other unsafe guys at six?
10:21I think Freelings has got to be an obvious one that we attach to this as well,
10:24and then like once you get into the 24s, it seems like the list can become lengthier and lengthier,
10:29whether that is a Sadiq or whether it is some of the other guys we've discussed,
10:32but like there are these landmines that exist out there for the Browns,
10:35and they just don't exist that way for other teams in my opinion.
10:39Like the Eagles, for instance, can take chances.
10:41They can take some of the opportunities I'm talking about.
10:43Do you feel different about Tyson and Freeling at 24?
10:49Yeah, again, like I think the cumulative matters here.
10:51So like if Tyson's there at 24, I like Tyson a lot.
10:55I think that's great value, but it doesn't fall into the category of what I would call
11:00a safe draft pick by any measure.
11:01Like there's a bust component to him that I just don't know if you're the Browns right now,
11:06you get to exist in that space.
11:09All right, there was another thing that came up after we talked to our guest at three
11:13that I wanted to ask, and I didn't get a chance to ask him,
11:17but it almost came up in our conversation reacting to him, which is right now,
11:21because we've had both of these discussions previously in the offseason,
11:25two offensive tackle first round or two wide receiver first round,
11:30which do you think is actually more likely right now?
11:32Because I do think there's safe and unsafe with both of those kind of approaches.
11:38I want two wide receivers.
11:39I'd love that.
11:39If they took Carnell Tate at six and then at 24 they grabbed another one,
11:43I'd love that.
11:44What if it was KC Concepcion?
11:46I know, I know.
11:47But that's a problem.
11:48There's landmines that exist in the wide receivers, and so there's problems here.
11:52I would be very surprised if it was two offensive tackles.
11:55It's it.
11:56Because the truth is, the reason why I asked it is, I don't know.
12:00Like you said they went Maui Noah at six, and then the right tackle whose name I still
12:06can't pronounce, of Arizona State, or Blake Miller at 24.
12:11Oh, the Henny Anchor, or whatever his name is?
12:14Yeah, yeah.
12:15Every time, there's a ha in there, I think, somewhere.
12:17Yeah, I got no clue.
12:18A hauncher, I think.
12:19Is that what it is?
12:19A hauncher?
12:20That's where we are now?
12:20A hauncher?
12:21I saw Ihy Anchor.
12:24Listen, we couldn't agree on Fano over the last 24 hours.
12:28We still can't.
12:28We still can't.
12:29Three different pronunciations.
12:31I think you're on the cusp of getting it right.
12:34Not on the cusp of.
12:34You've been saying it right, and then I've been mimicking you.
12:38I don't think either are wrong, but again, if it's Freeling and then, oh gosh, Chase
12:47Besantis at 24, you're going to look at that and go, okay, feels a little early on one and
12:54feels a little early on the other.
12:55Ihana Kaur.
12:56Ihana Kaur?
12:57Ihana Kaur, Nigerian surname.
12:59We have no chance of getting that right.
13:00If the media's not going to get it right, like this is, like it's the Holmgren thing.
13:05Oh wait, no, I'm sorry, I did the pronunciation guide wrong on this, because the back part
13:08of it is chore, like a chore.
13:10Ihana Kaur.
13:11Ihana Kaur.
13:12Ihana Kaur.
13:13That's a badass name.
13:14That does sound badass.
13:15Now I'm kind of in the, what is it again?
13:17Ihana Kaur.
13:18Ihana Kaur.
13:19Yeah, last part's important.
13:20It's like a chore in a household chore.
13:22Ihana Kaur.
13:24Yeah, I'm like down.
13:26I appreciate everyone making the attempts with the names, by the way.
13:29I do.
13:29I know it's silly, and people listening are like, oh, who cares?
13:33It's like, well, this is a person's name.
13:34I don't know.
13:35I like that people are trying.
13:38216-474-0092.
13:39Good effort out of you.
13:40I like that we care about this.
13:42Hey.
13:42And it doesn't matter.
13:43I mean, we're not going to remember it, but it's nice that we care.
13:45It'll be even funnier if the guy never comes to Cleveland.
13:48No, that's probably what's going to happen.
13:49Yeah, with Fano, and then three years from now, he's playing for the Jacksonville Jaguars, and
13:54I'm like, hey, what about that Fano guy?
13:56We could have taken him.
13:57Well, oh, man, there was a name of a recent draft of a guy we all wanted, and we all
14:02took
14:02like three years to get the name right, and then his name came up last year during the
14:06season, and we still didn't.
14:08We reverted back to how wrong we were.
14:10Or we have things like Travis Etienne, where he tells us that we've been saying it wrong,
14:13and we just don't care now because we've been saying it one way for five years.
14:16Yeah, also because Kyle Brandt was like, these guys should stick up for the name.
14:20It's like, get your nose out of their ass, dude.
14:22Is that what that was?
14:22Kyle Brandt bugs me so much, and I know I shouldn't.
14:24He seems like a nice dude.
14:27Honestly, he does.
14:27He seems harmless.
14:28Well, not just harmless.
14:29He's got the best intentions, but there's just too much bro there for me.
14:34There is.
14:35Well, he was on the real world.
14:36It's not like they, you know, he was a producer for Jim Roman on the real world.
14:40He's like PC bro, and I just can't handle it.
14:42It'd be weird if he wasn't a bro, if he had those two stops in his life.
14:45I'd prefer him if he was like 15% uglier.
14:47I really would.
14:48Well, that might be the problem.
14:49Might be too good looking for everyone involved.
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