00:00We are day two of the Brennan Sorsby heading to the NFL convo and it's funny it started at a
00:07loaded
00:07spot with a lot of people with outrage and whatnot. I thought it was interesting though
00:11and Terry Pluto wrote up a piece of you know Terry's talking and talking to himself and kind
00:17of going through the Brennan Sorsby thing and one of the first things you read is that basically
00:24the Browns don't want to deal or don't feel comfortable dealing with the gambling element
00:30of this and that they are content to watch Shador and Deshaun battle for the starting quarterback job.
00:36I do have to go back to the point that the Browns have felt pretty comfortable in the waters of
00:43sexual assault allegations. They felt pretty comfortable in the waters of domestic violence
00:48allegations. Yeah, just a little moral relativism a little too much of that for me to be like
00:54but I draw the line at gambling. Somebody's got to have ethics y'all. Yeah, that's why I just don't
00:59believe it. I don't believe there's a thing that anyone can do that as long as the NFL says we'll
01:04let you play the Browns would then be like nope with that that's a bridge too far. I just don't
01:08think that exists for the Browns because of all the things we've seen them take chances on with players
01:13and so as of right now, I'm not I'm not doubting Terry Terry's talking to people. I don't know what
01:17the Browns motive is in trying to get this out there that way. I believe he's hearing things
01:22that are coming from the Browns correctly. It's more the idea that I just don't trust that the
01:26Browns are being 100% honest here. Yeah, I mean I would start by saying there's a million reasons
01:31to have it out there that you're not interested in Brennan Sorsby and half of them are because
01:35you actually want Brennan Sorsby, right? Yeah, I think it's more probable than not that you'd be
01:41playing that card if you wanted Sorsby. And so I think that's one part and I also think there's a
01:46part
01:46that they are all in for Arch. I think there's enough smoke there that enough people are saying
01:52that that while Brennan Sorsby is a guy they would have interest in in 2027 if he fell to them
01:59or if
01:59they didn't get in a position to take Arch, but it sure feels like that there's a lot of intrigue
02:06between the Browns and the Manning family or maybe the Browns sending their intrigue the Manning family
02:12way and that Jimmy, who can be a little bit, I'll say, driven in his pursuits, maybe he's just
02:20got in his mind that that's the way this has to go for the Browns to get back to where
02:23they want to
02:24be. 100% plausible. That could be 100% what they're thinking, their thought process, all this in
02:29between. I would tell you I think that's a bad thought process. Not because I don't think doing
02:33everything to get Arch Manning is the worst idea I've ever heard. It's not that. It's just when you sell
02:37out to get somebody that if he ends up actually being the number one overall pick, you only have
02:41so much control over that. You can only control so much of that equation. You can't guarantee
02:47yourself the number one pick and you can't even trade up to get the number one overall pick if
02:50in fact a team that gets the number one overall pick needs a quarterback. Also, I don't know Arch
02:54is there yet. I think that's maybe the other part of this is I think if you're banking on Arch
02:59Manning fulfilling the prophecy of going to Texas four years ago, right now I would say Arch
03:06isn't going to be the number one pick in the draft. He has to earn that. And this is
03:10not like where Trevor Lawrence was really, really good as a freshman and really, really
03:14good as a sophomore. And so it was a matter of time. It wasn't like with Andrew Luck who
03:18could have come out a year previously. No, Arch Manning hasn't been good enough to substantiate
03:23the hype to this point. And so having a March for Arch mentality at the expense of a quarterback
03:29you could get potentially at a second round value if that's where they decide to bid on
03:35him feels a little kooky to me. I just wouldn't let Arch close your mind towards any other
03:40possibilities. That is what I think is the kooky part of this. You can't be as singular
03:45focused on just Arch Manning if you're talking about this upcoming draft. I would be gobsmacked.
03:51I would be shocked beyond shocked if the Cleveland Browns didn't submit a top four round bid on
03:58Brennan Sorsby. And at some point it's just logic. Yes, Shador Sanders, they have some hope
04:04for him. Yes, they might still have some hope for Deshaun Watson, but until somebody emerges,
04:10you need to throw as many assets at the quarterback spot as you possibly can. And Brennan Sorsby is
04:17much more likely to be a second half of 2026 contributor than he certainly is to do anything
04:25in the beginning of the regular season. So you just don't have anybody there that's going to stop you
04:32from taking him. And you can do this in a very, I don't know, realistic and practical way. If
04:38Shador starts the season and then let's say he struggles, then all of a sudden Sorsby's in there
04:42in week eight, week nine, week 10, whenever his suspension's up. And then you get, you basically
04:46get two legitimate cracks at finding out whether or not you need to take a quarterback in the 27 draft.
04:51Right now you got one. You legitimately got one because Deshaun isn't realistic, in my opinion,
04:56and you're not signing Deshaun. Deshaun would have to play to a 12 or 13 win level and take you
05:00to the
05:01AFC title game before you can have that conversation realistically. Instead of giving yourself one
05:06opportunity, it'd be two. It's all about maximizing what you can do. And I think the only way in which
05:12the Cleveland Browns don't put a bid in on Brennan Sorsby, it won't be about gambling. It's not going to
05:18be
05:18about anything about 2027. It's going to be talent-based. It's going to be based on, hey,
05:23we looked at him and we don't think he is what half the people say he is, which is a
05:28potential
05:28franchise quarterback in the NFL. Yeah. I just don't buy that. They've taken a chance on all
05:32these guys and all these different situations and gambling is the one that really got them.
05:37And by the way, shout out to Dane Brugler, because I couldn't tell if my take yesterday was just
05:41stupid or, uh, or was good, but wasn't landing. I didn't, I didn't know where it was. Uh, I,
05:48I lean towards stupid because every time I've said it, no one's responded in any sort of way,
05:52but Dane copied it. Uh, that idea that when it comes to, uh, Sorsby, it's the bet isn't whether
05:59or not he'll ever gamble again. He's going to gamble again, more likely than not. It's just
06:03whether or not he would actually gamble on games he's involved in, which we've not seen him do
06:08since he was at Indiana and 18 years old. He's gone potentially two to three years of already
06:14making that a reality that he can, he can go and exist in life without it.
06:18Would you like me to react to it? Yes. Okay. Just set me up one more time because I don't
06:23want it to
06:23be fake. Is it stupid or does it make sense that Sorsby and his gambling addiction needs to be
06:33treated not equal as a gambling addiction? The way that if your friend, uh, lost $50,000 and had to
06:38go to rehab for it because you're not asking Sorsby to never gamble again. He'll likely gamble again.
06:43Okay. He likely will. You can go to the casino. You can gamble on all sorts of, you can gamble
06:47on
06:47major league baseball as an NFL player. You can do all these things. The bet you have to make and
06:51the, and what you're really betting against, or I guess with in this instance is that he won't
06:56gamble on games that he's participating in, which he has shown since he was 18 years old that he can
07:02now do and not be right. The serious face is throwing me way off. I can't do it. I can't
07:06do the
07:07serious face. Whoa, John. I can't do the serious face. Holy cow. The fact you even made me set up
07:12that
07:12to begin with anyway was a disaster by you. Oh my God. Just a disaster by you. All other
07:17takers out there. Put your takes down. We got the preeminent Sorsby take right here on Afternoon
07:25Drive. You're an awful human for this. Suck it, Ken. You're an awful human for this. Suck it,
07:29Anthony. This is why no one likes hosting with you. Suck it, Corn Lito. This is it right here.
07:32Baskin and Phelps, dead. This is it. You want to know this? This is why. Jake Volman, dead.
07:35I shouldn't have done the take a second time. Retire. That's on me. Get your asses out of the
07:39business. That's where I learn, is I shouldn't have done it a second time. That's where I
07:42learned. I was trying to give you the reaction you wanted, and then you just bailed before
07:46I could deliver it. Lucky for you, I gave it like four times yesterday and met with nothing,
07:51but Dane Brueger got it today. But in my head. But Brueger got it today. Oh, JP. You got it,
07:58dog. If I irritated you now. Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. Yeah, very much so.
08:06Would you like to throw, is it a good opinion, by the way? Is that better because it's understated
08:11now? Not actually mad. Okay. Now, uh. No, Mac doesn't believe it. I do like. I'm not, I swear
08:20to you, I'm not. I do like that. Sometimes he just plays jokes and you just gotta, you just gotta
08:23power through. I do like that we've got audio here from Brendan Sorsby's agent on 105.3 The Fan
08:31in Dallas. He went on there today with our morning show, Sean and RJ. But I like that we just
08:37have
08:37his last name. Like, I know what this schnook's first name is. Didn't they put the first name
08:42in the subject line? I think it's Ron Slavin. I thought they put it in the subject line. Slavin.
08:47Let's go with Slavin. I don't like the other pronunciation as much. Ron. It's Ron. Ron. Yeah,
08:54Slavin. It doesn't matter. He's an agent. Yeah. I'm gonna go with Slavin though. That works.
08:58Yeah. That one, the other one, I, as soon as I said it, I was like, I don't like the
09:00way
09:00that one sounds. However, uh, he was on with Sean and RJ on 105.3 The Fan. And, uh, he
09:07talked about why Sorsby decided to enter the supplemental draft. It just came down to too much
09:13pressure from everybody else on tech. And Brendan still wants, wanted to play a tech. This wasn't
09:19a, this wasn't Brendan Sorsby not wanting to play college football. This was
09:23Brendan Sorsby just being advised by the school that I think it's time for you. You know,
09:28we had a seven days left to file for the supplemental draft and didn't know where this thing was going
09:33to go. So we won in court. We did our job on our side, but for whatever reason, the world
09:38melted
09:38down like a football was ruined forever. All right. If maybe you're trying to like get people to buy in
09:46that your, your guys got like a mental health issue and that was really why he did the gambling
09:52thing. And maybe don't at the end of that clip sound kind of like an a-hole. And then for
09:58some
09:59reason, the world, the world just melted down. I listen, do I think a fair amount of the responses
10:06to the Brendan Sorsby injunction was a little heavy handed, a little high-minded and honestly,
10:12a little bit performative. I sure do. That being said, I don't think if you want to beat the
10:19allegations that you're not maybe taking full accountable, accountability for your own actions,
10:23when your agent comes out and is like, people got mad or whatever. I don't know why, but they got
10:29mad. And that's what they've done this entire stretch, but it's not just Sorsby's agent. This is
10:33what Texas Tech's head coach did. This is what, uh, the big 12 president did when in multiple
10:38instances, uh, whether it was, uh, saying that people were trying to compare this to the Penn
10:43State situation while also then saying, uh, I, he didn't murder anybody. He didn't do like,
10:48like this is, they've taken this to the extremes at every turn, Nick. And I think that's intentional.
10:54It's intentional because what you're trying to do is you're trying to put these actual,
10:58uh, wall breaking results and wall breaking actions up against what is something that is
11:04very legal and it is considered not a big deal in many people's eyes.
11:07Now it should be noted. Uh, do you know who, as of right now, Ron Slavin's, uh, most high profile,
11:14uh, client is George W. Bush. How did you know that? Uh, no, the, uh, most highest profile guy
11:21right now, the highest paid guy is Byron Murphy at $18 million, uh, average annual pay.
11:27So this is a big come up for Ron Slavin. Well, the second most is Ezra Cleveland. You're a big
11:33Ezra guy. Yeah. But I've always said you're better than Ezra, uh, $8 million. And then pretty much
11:39everyone makes $2 million or less. Oh no, no. Roy Robertson Harris, 7.2. So he's really banking on,
11:46you know, we, we have a friend who's got a, got a family member. That's an agent and we keep
11:51pressing them. He's got to get a quarterback. He's got a lot of great high profile agents.
11:56He knows that by the way, but we got to get him a quarterback, right? I hadn't thought
11:59about that. Whoa. We should get the most, the highest paid position. He doesn't seem to
12:03be, he doesn't have that dog in him about getting the quarterback. You and I could help
12:06him get a quarterback in a day. This could be, he doesn't have that dog in him to get
12:10a quarterback. I think if he had that dog in him to get a quarterback, he'd have a quarterback
12:13right now. That's just mean. I don't even know. I know. I retract myself from this entire
12:20conversation. He's not going to get me any money. Well, I'd appreciate it if he did. Um,
12:24but no, this is Ron's Slavin's big, big break here with Brennan Sorsby. I just think you'd
12:33be maybe smarter to put a better foot forward here. Uh, this is also Ron Slavin on one Oh
12:38five, three, the fan in Dallas talking about Sorsby's mistakes.
12:43How many 18 year olds make really bad decisions and there is never any integrity of the game
12:49violations. Nobody, I mean, everybody loves to have an opinion and I'm so tired of watching
12:53people get on TV and blab their mouth when they have no idea what they're talking about.
12:58And unfortunately it's not just in Brennan's situation. It's in most situations. And unless
13:01you're Brennan or Brennan's family or myself and my team, nobody really knows what happened.
13:07And the opinions out there were, you know, you would have thought this kid committed major
13:12crimes and did the horrible things. And the reality is as an 18 year old, he made some bad
13:17decisions from his dorm room when he wasn't traveling with the team in Indiana. But besides that,
13:21there's just so much more to the story that will come out later that Brennan wasn't doing
13:26anything that was hurting the integrity of the game. He never bet on college football once he
13:32got on the roster, or once he was on the active travel roster at Indiana, and then he never did
13:36it Cincinnati. So this was something he did at 18. That was really dumb, but it also is something
13:41that now he's paid the price at 22 years old. Uh, what he did was against NCAA bylaws.
13:48It's as simple as that, Jack. No, but he does kind of sound like, like me and the setup to
13:52this
13:52to begin with though. Like that, that's the strongest case you got is that you're not, you're not going
13:56up against whether or not he was betting and doing anything like that is as, uh, you know, at Cincinnati
14:01and all these other places, the biggest, the big problem people have in this wasn't the idea that
14:06he was placing bets. It was the idea that he was placing bets on games he was involved in, but
14:10he
14:10hasn't done that since he's 18 years old. And so if you're looking for these cracks of like, Oh, a
14:14relapse is
14:15going to happen. And he's too much of a degenerate. Well, Nick, we got three years of evidence of him
14:20not betting on games that he's participating in. Like he got, he got the message. He clearly
14:24got that message. Uh, Jonathan, that is a great take. That sounds more like Belichick
14:29than it does Ron. It did sound like that, like Belichick there. Uh, Jonathan, I have a 24 year
14:34old girlfriend and, uh, you know, we're going to go play, uh, Clemson and that's a good,
14:39that's a good team down there. You do sound like aged football coach.
Comments